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Adventist Dissident · 2025-08-05T21:17:38-0500

Dan Perez said:
And 1 Thess 4:17. says , Then. we the LIVING ONES , the Surviving ones. will be Caught Away at the same time with them in

CLOUDS for a MEETING. of the Lord into the AIR and so we will at ALL times be with the Lord

And there are more verse concerning. of Christ coming for the Body of Christ , like Gal 1:4

Just asking , where is your verse ?

dan p

There is a part where we go to heaven. The marriage Supper of the Lamb. What is this called.?
There is a part where we come back with Him and rule the earth - This is the 2nd coming. What is that other thing called?

RDKirk · 2025-08-05T21:15:34-0500

ozso said:
You can be sorry things didn't turn out right.

That would not be an apology, though.

That would be more accurately considered sympathy.

PatrickTate · 2025-08-05T21:15:32-0500

Desk trauma said:
Hallucinations born of medical crisis, if not made up entirely, are a rather shoddy form of “evidence” and I don’t see what any of it has to do with teaching biology.

If you take the time to research the Robert Marshall near death experience you may totally change your mind because he and his wife included all the medical updates in his astonishing book about his unusual case.

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Question: Asked by Briana

In heaven, since we are there for eternity, what will we be doing? Of course worshipping God, but are there other things to do?

We will be doing all kinds of things much like we do here, except they are greater and beyond what we do here. We will be worshiping god in many of the same ways here, and some we don’t always do here. For example, we worship Him in song, fellowship, etc. But the greatest worship we can give him is by worshiping in truth and spirit. By that, I mean this: as we walk through life every day, we need to do so in and out of the love that is described in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7, whatever we do, if we do it by applying these principles of love in our interactions with people, tasks, singing, or any other daily tasks that we experience in this life, then we are doing it as Jesus would and that worships and pleases Him continually. In Heaven, we will do this with everything that He avails to us.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-05T21:15:05-0500

And, of course, Tiktaalik's legs evolved from fins, so they weren't "new."

hldude · 2025-08-05T21:14:34-0500

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“We’re All In This Together”
1 Corinthians 12:27 NLT
All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it.

Recently, when I was on one of my long runs, I ran past an oncoming young guy who looked up at me and started pumping his fist into the air and clapped and said, “Yeah”. When he did that, I mimicked what he did, smiled and laughed. It was one of those “Runners” moments that only runners can really share together. In only a few moments, I felt the encouragement this guy gave to me and it was a feeling of hearing, “Good job, man! Keep it going!” While he said nothing, I just felt a “runners” connection for a brief moment. It made me feel good inside as I thought about that on my continued run.

As I’ve been running again for a little over a year, it’s just been great to keep up the learning experience and connecting with other people who also either have a passion for it or they are just getting going with running. I am connected with multiple people who encourage me and I encourage them. Honestly, I could NOT keep this up without them and the encouragement they give me. There’s just something about connecting with other runners who share the same passion and you encourage one another.

A few months ago, I was running one of my usual courses and another runner met up with me briefly, came up beside me, looked at me and pumped his arm into the air and was like, “Yeah!”. It was excitement for him and me just having that moment of running together and finding a fellow runner.

As I think about a few months ago and yesterday, I started thinking about how we are all the body of Christ. Just like us runners share a common passion for what we are doing, we also in the body of Christ are called to come alongside of each other and encourage each other. Why? Because we are all in this together. We all have different life situations, but we are running this race of the Christian life together. We come alongside of each other and encourage one another. We celebrate in the good times and comfort each other in the hard times.

I am grateful for the reminder these fellow runners gave me of not only a community feeling shared with running, but also the reminder of how vital it is that we stay strong for each other in the body of Christ. God wants us all to work hard together. One of the things the past 4 years that we are grateful for is our church community. We’ve been part of the same church for over 4 years now and it’s amazing the friendships we have built. We love seeing these people every week and just being the body of Christ. We laugh together, worship together and cry together. This is doing community with each other.

Let this be a reminder and encouragement that we are all part of the same body and are called to build one another up.

RDKirk · 2025-08-05T21:14:33-0500

RileyG said:
If someone truly didn’t mean to hurt someone, an apology may not be necessary.

I think if we state that "everything was done right," we can presume that much.

A New Dawn · 2025-08-05T21:12:20-0500

Spiritual Jew said:
Did I say that salvation doesn't belong to God? No, I did not.

I'm asking you to assume something for the sake or argument because I'm trying to get you to look at it from my perspective and consider it from my perspective instead of only looking at things from one perspective. Are you afraid to consider any other thing than you've been taught? You come across as brainwashed if you're not even willing to consider any other view than what you have been taught.

You think if all people have free will and salvation is partly dependent on man's choice then, somehow, salvation doesn't belong to God. But, if God determined that He wanted to give all people free will and that He requires all people to choose to repent and to acknowledge that they can't save themselves and atone for their own sins, then would that mean salvation doesn't belong to God alone? No. How could salvation belong to man in that case after man has just admitted that he can't save himself, but that only God can save him?

If you were drowning in the ocean and someone threw out a life preserver to you and you grabbed on to it to keep from drowning, did you save yourself or did the person who threw you the life preserver save you? Would the salvation of your physical life belong to you or the one who gave you a way to be saved from drowning?

I used to be one of those free agency believers, I don’t have to imagine for the sake of argument. I spent my days in despair because, while I had had a salvation experience, it was not something my church taught so I couldn’t admit it or claim it, and I was in so much fear that I could lose my salvation on a daily basis because I could never do enough to stay saved.

The person who finally threw me a life preserver introduced me to the proper way to read the scriptures to know that salvation was God’s to give and nobodies to take away from me because He keeps me safe. So, I still say NO! Free will is a work of Satan, and only makes you live in fear. When I finally broke free from that cursed theology, I finally felt free and was free.

eclipsenow · 2025-08-05T21:10:03-0500

ozso said:
So the ODNI has completed their investigation and is finished with disclosure?

No - but so far they have not released ONE counter-factual.
If anything - there are a few subtle debates over how influential certain events were - but nothing overturns the events themselves.

Russia tried to swing the election Trump's way.
Depending on how important we think the Clinton Email's being released just at the wrong time for the Democrats - they may have in fact done so!

Also - I LOVE posting the Durham report critique - because the Durham report is what they are releasing the text of. And all I have to do is go to the Durham report wiki and YouTube and it's all been covered extensively by other agencies and journalists!

As in - YEARS ago!
You should know this.
People commenting here should know this.

But hey - if you want to pretend Gabbard and the DNI actually have something - by all means - find it. Post a paragraph or two! Let's have a look. Because banging on about the Steel Dossier and exaggerated untrue claims about what the Democrats said about hacked voting systems are all Durham had.

NxNW · 2025-08-05T21:09:07-0500

1Tonne said:
My point is that there are observable limits to what mutation and selection have produced in experimental settings, even under intense conditions. The Lenski experiment is interesting, but the citrate-eating E. coli didn't evolve a new body plan or organ, it repurposed existing mechanisms

Which refutes the notion of irreducible complexity, which claims that mechanisms can't change purposes.

1Tonne said:
So yes, evolution within types happens. But the question remains: can those same processes generate entirely new, integrated biological systems over time?

You mean like the Tiktaalik, which grew legs allowing it to walk on land?

1Tonne said:
That’s exactly the point. If core traits like body plans are so constrained that they don’t exhibit the variation necessary for change, then it raises a legitimate question about how those complex traits supposedly evolved in the first place.

I'd say that fish developing legs is a pretty big change to a body plan.

1Tonne said:
Behe’s concept sparked debate, but the core issue remains: how do interdependent, functional systems arise when intermediate steps offer no advantage?

Citrate-eating E. coli is a nice example of interdependent, functional systems changing purpose. Or the ice fish re-designing its blood to accommodate cold water. The blood had one purpose, and that purpose changed. The intermediate step of red blood - which was part of an interdependent, functional system, was necessary before these interdependent systems could change function into the clear 'blood' that exists now.

PatrickTate · 2025-08-05T21:08:09-0500

David Wilkerson....."There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.

Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and

nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it

all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by

people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of

becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.

Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to

all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

Pastor David Wilkerson was shown a future that would certainly fit with the implementation of at least one variation on an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income.

The shift over to A. I. and robotics that will replace so many jobs may make this one of the only ways to prevent an epidemic of homelessness.

Once Americans and Canadians have their primary homes paid off they will tend to invest in their second home - [cottage outside of cities].

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FaithT · 2025-08-05T21:07:46-0500

fide said:
The horrific revelations of the infiltration of profound, satanic evil into the Church - such as these - can be overwhelming. Such evil should not be in the Holy Place! But Jesus warned us of very hard times to come, especially in the End Times. He said,

Persons seeking Truth and Holiness in the midst of all the corruption found in the world at large, are repulsed by uncoverings of evil in the Holy Place! But that repulsion is only a "fringe benefit" for the evil one - a secondary weakening of the influence and power of the Body of Christ in the world. The Lord saw this coming, and thus He assured us that yes, the trials will be very intense, but not for too long. He will shorten those troubled days, and will soon come to gather "all the wheat" into His "barn", His Kingdom to come. Mt 24 can console and strengthen His called and chosen ones, in the tribulation that may well be very near. Things will be so horrible, but only for a short time: Be strong. Greater is He who is with His own, than he who is in the worldly.

The Church will not fail. The enemy will be found within the visible body, but not in the heart and soul of the Holy Body of Christ. His Body, His Bride, will remain in Him, and He in them, as He promised.

That whole End Times talk really freaks me out. Sorry.

chevyontheriver said:
That’s an entirely natural reaction. Yup, it is. But how do we manage to have a supernatural reaction to it. Truth is strong and will endure. Beauty stands amid the ugliness. And goodness is present even when evil abounds. We need to speak truth to power, but to do that we need first to persevere. Crooked priests and bishops and cardinals and popes are failures in all but temporal power. They build nothing true or good or beautiful in the end. So keep the faith, in particular to spite them.

I think the stories by this author are for the most part real. And he reveals some ugly stuff. I would love to ignore it. But he’s on to it and a whole bunch of powerful folks in the Church look like they are neck deep into the filth.

But why the Catholic Church? Like somebody said (Michie?) it’s in other churches but it seems like Catholic churches have more gays than average and more abusers.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-05T21:07:09-0500

1Tonne said:
I’m not denying the model's explanatory power within certain boundaries. My point is that they operate on existing biological systems and variation, they presuppose what needs explaining: the origin of functionally integrated, information-rich systems in the first place. Showing how traits shift or fix over time isn’t the same as explaining how those traits, or the systems enabling them, arose to begin with.

Step by step in a stochastic process. You seem to be looking for discontinuous processes which if you could find any would really cause trouble for evolution, but nobody has yet. That would be the kind of evidence some of us have been asking for .

1Tonne said:
Behe’s concept of irreducible complexity may be debated, but calling it a “dud” overlooks the fact that it raised valid questions about the limits of stepwise evolution. The debate over structures like the bacterial flagellum or blood clotting cascade hasn’t been settled conclusively; it’s still largely a matter of interpretive framework. There are evolutionary explanations that rely heavily on assumed pathways, while intelligent design proponents highlight the improbability of unguided assembly. The issue isn’t that the structures don’t exist, but whether their complexity is better explained by chance and selection or design.

Assumed pathways are logically sufficient. You are making an a priori argument. "Could not have" can be answered by "could have." The actual pathway would rarely be direct because of the continuous functionality requirement and would be only one of many possible pathways.

1Tonne said:
That response actually illustrates the very issue I raised. Declaring the question settled except for creationists suggests the answer is framed more by worldview than by conclusive science. The origin of specified, functional information, where sequences not only exist but carry meaningful, functional roles in biological systems, is a legitimate question, regardless of who asks it. Dismissing it because of who’s raising the challenge doesn’t resolve the issue; it just avoids it. (Thanks for proving my point)

I'm not dismissing it because of who made the challenge, but because it has been met by evolutionary biology. I was offering to introduce you to the mathematical models which makes this all plausible, but I see sjastro has beat me to it. You dismissed them but haven't yet shown us your math.

1Tonne said:
That explains how traits might co-adapt once they already exist and are subject to variation. But my point is about the origin of the system as a whole, how multiple interdependent parts, which have no function apart from the whole, could arise through unguided processes. Selection only acts on what already exists and confers some advantage. So how do you get a coordinated system where the parts are non-functional in isolation, but only work when fully integrated? That’s the central challenge behind the question of new complex specified information.

Because they are not in isolation. If they were in isolation before they became related parts of s system they would be independently functional.

Dan Perez · 2025-08-05T21:06:22-0500

d taylor said:
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Why stop short of posting verses as James continues to go on and write. My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

See James is not writing to just the 12 tribes but to believers of the 12 tribes

And where are those. 12 tribes of other believers found ?? and what we re those WORKS FOUND

that James wrote about and the verse , with a lists of the works that can save ??

And James 2:11 , you have keep. the Law , which means the Law of Moses !!

dan. p

NxNW · 2025-08-05T21:02:25-0500

1Tonne said:
From a creationist perspective, evolution as a naturalistic, undirected process isn’t how God created life. Rather than tweaking things over millions of years, Scripture points to intentional acts of creation. So, it’s not about spotting a “miracle” in the process, it’s about recognising that the whole process was a miracle, by design, not chance.

But are you claiming that all forms of life appeared at once?

1Tonne said:
I don’t accept the evolutionary framework, so I don’t try to fit God into it. Scripture presents creation as a purposeful act, not a series of undirected mutations. The burden isn’t on me to find where God fits into an evolutionary process that I believe didn’t happen.

My question is, how do you reconcile the record showing different species appearing and developing over millions of years, with humans only arriving a few million years ago? It's one thing to nitpick evolution, but the biblical account isn't even remotely close to supporting what we see.

1Tonne said:
They’ve shifted the conversation to fringe speculation to counter real, evidence-based discussion:
Dose of Reality:
-Speed of light (c) and weak nuclear force are not observed to vary under normal conditions. They’re consistent constants in physics. Claims otherwise come from speculative models and are not accepted by mainstream science

WHOA, pardner. Suddenly you're quoting mainstream science to support your claim that science doesn't work? I won't accept that. There are claims on this very site that these two forces are not constant (no, I'm not going to spend an hour digging up old threads). It's a constant, widespread claim by creationists.

1Tonne said:
So, pointing to these fringe claims as proof that fine-tuning is baseless is like using alchemy to disprove modern chemistry.

I submit that they are not fringe claims, and again, won't accept your trying to use scientific findings to try to prove science doesn't work.

1Tonne said:
If someone insists that Josh creationists disagree, they haven’t engaged with the actual scientific literature on tuning and constants themselves.

The creationist 'research' sites you referred to earlier don't accept actual scientific literature, either.

1Tonne said:
It's absolutely clear that God made everything and that evolution is a sham.

If it was clear, the biblical record would match the fossil record.

1Tonne said:
The only reason we argue is that simple people fall for simple theories.

That 'simple theory' was put together over a 20-year period and has never been falsified. I went to a symposium a few years ago with a half dozen Nobel winners on the stage. They all considered Evolution the greatest scientific achievement of all time. The host remarked, "Einstein and Newton get great press, but Darwin did more."

1Tonne said:
(The bible has another name other than simple for these people, but if I said it on here, people would report me.)

How precious!

1Tonne said:
You're confusing different claims. Fine-tuning refers to the constants as they are now, allowing life to exist. Some creationists explore whether constants may have varied in the past within limits, but that doesn’t undermine fine-tuning;

Well, yes it does.

1Tonne said:
it highlights how even small changes could make life impossible.

Which contradicts your claim that "constants may have varied in the past".

1Tonne said:
The focus is on constants that, if changed even slightly, like the gravitational constant, cosmological constant, or fine-structure constant, would make life impossible. Whether some others are variable or not doesn’t undo the observed fine-tuning of those that are critical for life. The core point remains: life-permitting values exist within extremely narrow ranges.

The vast majority of the universe is hostile to life. Only a very narrow envelope on Earth can support it, which does not support the idea that the entire universe was created for humans.

johansen · 2025-08-05T21:01:47-0500

Valletta said:
The attack was one of the most horrific attacks, a slaughter, in modern history.

only if you don't count the deaths of muslims, christians, or displaced persons as slaughter.

List of ethnic cleansing campaigns - Wikipedia

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eclipsenow · 2025-08-05T20:56:26-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
Nothing matters now. The Republicans control everything and they have placed their commitment to Trump over their commitment to country.

But both parties do that when they have power. The secret is, that is why they lose it.

I see what you're saying - and the Democrats have agenda's I don't 100% support.
But at least the Democrats understand climate science and vaccines.
At least they'll go down fighting over policies like that - however imperfect and somewhat compromised from various fossil fuel lobbies. At least they were trying to deal with reality!

Trump got in the first time and did his usual "You're fired!" to stacks of pandemic experts JUST IN TIME to nerf FEMA being able to deal with Covid. Great work right there! Ideologically driven tax cuts to the rich while cutting essential, life saving emergency infrastructure.
Then he turned around and blamed doctors and nurses for using PPE!

My daughter in law is a nurse in Australia - and she was traumatised by Covid and what she saw at work on a daily basis. But when she heard Trump attacking nurses in America - it was too much. The health system falling apart had implied imperfections in his regime - and his NPD just cannot let him deal with reality. It HAD to be someone else's fault!

So he attacked the main heroes in the Covid story - what a disgusting moment!

PatrickTate · 2025-08-05T20:56:20-0500

Desk trauma said:
And?

And Atheistic Darwinian Evolutionary Theory is still accepted by higher education but now Christians have a type of testimony that is evidence for an afterlife to work with that was rare and not so well respected forty years ago.

Ignatius the Kiwi · 2025-08-05T20:56:19-0500

PloverWing said:
Neither gender nor sexual orientation are barriers to ordination in the Episcopal Church in the US. I have no objections to Bishop Vann serving as the Archbishop of Wales.

Following CF's rules, I will not describe here the reasoning behind the decisions of the Episcopal Church and the Church in Wales. Google will turn up some of the relevant theological arguments and ecclesiastical statements, if you're interested.

The relevant theological arguments being rooted more in conforming Christianity to modernity than upholding the faith delivered the Saints. Let's be honest. It's not like there's any kind of commitment to Christianity to be an Episcopalian or Anglican Bishop.

PatrickTate · 2025-08-05T20:53:44-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
What about praying, sharing Gospel with someone considering abortion, or guiding them to Christ and teaching them to follow Him?

Absolutely!

But every expecting mother is only human and studies support the theory that worries over money and being able to support their baby, play a huge role in at least twenty percent of mothers who decide to terminate their pregnancies.

RandyPNW · 2025-08-05T20:52:33-0500

Clare73 said:
Prophecy is not didactical, no matter who pens it.

I shared your previous post with my brother, and he suggested the same thing--why is your argument even relevant? This is what he said:

"Your reply seems to point out that if Clare 73 tagged something you wrote as a "dark saying" or a "riddle", she needs to explain how that is relevant. The word translated "dark saying" or "riddle" in Numbers 12:8 is chiyiydah. As you indicate, it is used of the words of the wise in Proverbs 1:6, of that which the psalmist meditates upon (Psalm 49:4), and of that which the Prophet Ezekiel declares (Ezekiel 17:2)."

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