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David Lamb · 2026-02-26T07:55:44-0600

Maine Progressive said:
Because however true the Creed may be (or is, depending on your stance) it pulls one away from the beauty of the poem and the innate sense of wonder at the immensity of the universe in order to exploit the poem to make a claim about God's omnipotence. I don't dispute the claim itself. I'm just disappointed that the poem is dragged down to serve that credal purpose. Which exploit then triggers all the evolutionists who like to dispute it. So what is beautiful and inspiring becomes a mud-wrestling tournament.

I really don't see that people who believe in evolution are helped in their belief by the way the creeds talk about God's creation. Those creeds state that God created. They make no mention of evolution. I am not sure that Genesis 1 is a poem anyway.

Tropical Wilds · 2026-02-26T07:52:33-0600

Postvieww said:
I stand by my statement that you quoted. Your charts and time frames are but a small blip in the history of this planet. There has been cooling and warming in the past and present. The phony science that leads power hungry globalist to try and gain control and wealth by doomsday rhetoric is false.

So it’s secretly about gaining power and wealth? Because I was always told it was secretly about killing American business on the world stage and creating a financial obligation that was too much for government and commerce.

Maine Progressive · 2026-02-26T07:46:56-0600

David Lamb said:
Taking your example of Creation, how do the creeds mask the beauty of the biblical account? The Apostles' Creed starts:

"I believe in God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth."

The Nicene Creed begins:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

Because however true the Creed may be (or is, depending on your stance) it pulls one away from the beauty of the poem and the innate sense of wonder at the immensity of the universe in order to exploit the poem to make a claim about God's omnipotence. I don't dispute the claim itself. I'm just disappointed that the poem is dragged down to serve that credal purpose. Which exploit then triggers all the evolutionists who like to dispute it. So what is beautiful and inspiring becomes a mud-wrestling tournament.

Tropical Wilds · 2026-02-26T07:37:18-0600

Something something handouts something something bootstraps something something not responsible for poor financial choices of the masses…

Tropical Wilds · 2026-02-26T07:31:26-0600

Brightfame52 · 2026-02-26T07:28:26-0600

In mans religion,, though they speak of Christ as the Saviour, they really mean that Hes merely a potential Saviour and that Salvation ultimately rests in the decision or will of the sinner. In other words, its up to the sinner to make Christ a Saviour unto them.

This fallacious reasoning is error and dishonors Christ as the Saviour of His People. for its written that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, not potentially save them !

When Christ died and afterwards rose from the dead, and ascended to the Right Hand of God, He ascended as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The word Saviour means: a savior, deliverer, preserver. None of these denote possibilities, maybes, or potentially, but actuality, He actually ascended as a Saviour, deliverer, a preserver.

Some may appeal to 1 Tim 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Now does this verse state that Christ is a potential Saviour to all men ? No it doesnt, but it says God is Saviour of all men, especially of those [men] who believe !

Many pervert this scripture so it would be saying that God is a potential Saviour to all men, but an actual Saviour to them that believe. See God cant be technically a Saviour to the unsaved, for thats a contradiction, He is their God in Judgment, but not as a Saviour.

So what does the word specially mean in this verse and how can it be understood without contradicting the fact that God is a actual Saviour and not merely a Saviour, or a Saviour unto unsaved men ?

Its the greek word malista

:especially, chiefly, most of all, above all primary adverb μάλα mála (very); (adverbially) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: —chiefly, most of all, (e-)specially.

So its a word Paul uses here to denote and clarify who particularly God in Christ is a Saviour to, not all men without exception, but particularly of they which are believers. I fact this verse should dispel the faulty idea of God being the Saviour of unbelievers. Sure even the saved are unbelievers naturally, however they shall be brought to Faith, because the promise is, the Just/justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

Folks Christ rose and ascended as a Prince and a Saviour, not a potential Saviour!

FireDragon76 · 2026-02-26T07:26:04-0600

Tifa and empathy aren't the same thing. One can criticize cliches meant to close down conversation while still realizing that empathy and compassion are virtues necessary for living a life oriented towards love.

Studyman · 2026-02-26T07:21:49-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Really, so Paul was telling them to continue in the things that were a mere shadow of things to come despite Christ being the substance?

Not "Despite Christ being the Substance", but to remember of the prophesies and events that are yet to be fulfilled, "BECAUSE" they are all about Christ. Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles, Last Great Day", they are not just worthless Jewish traditions as is promoted by "Many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord. They are shadows of things to come, that are of the very Body of Christ, not just worthless traditions. This is why Paul teaches the body of Christ, Jew and Gentile, not to let men judge in their respect, honor and obedience to God.

As opposed to the high days created by the religions of this world, which are "Shadows" of absolutely nothing yet to come.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-26T07:20:32-0600

kami79 said:
Many christians believe that God loves everyone, and love us unconditionally no matter we do but is this true? Can we keep sinning and walking in the flesh and God will still love us? Are there conditions to God's love for us? Is he a covenant God? How do we show God we love him?

According to the Bible, God is love (1 John 4:8) but God also punishes the sinner. We cannot continue to sin WILLFULLY and believe that God still loves us. God says "I love them that love me;" (Proverbs 8:17). So how do we show God we love him? "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15). What commandments? Those same ten commandments that God gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. These commandments are not without consequences. To sin is to break God's Law-"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is transgression of the law." (1 John 3:4). So according to the previous scriptures God only loves those who love him and we show we love him by keeping his commandments. Praise be to God, "In that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:6) There is no way we can be clean before God and that is why he came in the flesh to take our place and become sin on our behalf. (John 1:1,14; Hebrews 2:17, 2 Cor 5:21) So we are to trust Jesus, God in the flesh, as our savior and put our faith in the sacrifice that he made on the cross and in nothing that we do. However, "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of truth, there remained no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26) If there is no sacrifice available for you, then God's wrath abides upon you because he hates sin and your sin is not removed. (John 3:36)
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burnt with fire and brimstone:which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) God is not a one-sided God, he is infinitely loving God and infinitely just God. He will punish the sinner, He cannot lie (Titus 1:2) "...which God, that cannot lie..."
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments(The same commandments God gave to Moses on Mount Sinai): for this is the whole day of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever liveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15) So we see, even in the last book in the bible you still have to keep the 10 commandments to get into the kingdom of God. We see that sinner who fails to repent will be burning in the lake of fire(the second death).

Yeah I hate my son’s disobedience to but I don’t hate him.

wing2000 · 2026-02-26T07:16:48-0600

Congressional hearing --

Former ICE attorney Ryan Schwank on why he left the agency: "I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution when I joined ICE…I followed it when I resigned…The legally required training program at the ICE academy is deficient, defective, and broken."

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BNR32FAN · 2026-02-26T07:15:26-0600

tall73 said:
Yes and no. God's rest from His creative work STARTED on the 7th day, but has been ongoing ever since. Which is why "Today" is the appeal. We can enter God's ongoing rest, it is open to enter. So "today" if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart.

Notice the clause in 3b:

Hebrews 4:3-4
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works” (NKJV)

The point established is that God's creative works were finished from the 7th day on.

And Israel, after being redeemed from Egypt, drawn to Himself, were invited to enter into His rest by faith, but that generation failed (other than Caleb and Joshua), due to unbelief.

He cites "today" because that was the invitation in the Psalm. If we hear His voice, do not harden your heart. Enter His ongoing rest "today".

It is every day. We join Him there and stay there in faith, resting from our works, but depending on Him.

I disagree that God has been resting since creation, there’s been several evenings and mornings since then.

Leaf473 · 2026-02-26T07:14:19-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Lol I can’t imagine a 4-6 week long sabbath. That would be crazy. Your starve and freeze to death. Don’t you dare go gather any firewood or cook anything.

It would be difficult.

If we're not sure what to do about something in the law, the Bible option that I see is to consult the Urim and Thummim.

Do what looks like a good idea... That's not in the Bible, AFIK

wing2000 · 2026-02-26T07:14:13-0600

“ICE is teaching cadets to violate the Constitution,” ......

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement official who resigned this month from his job instructing new recruits came forward on Monday as a whistle-blower, describing what he said was a “deficient, defective and broken” training program with a pared-back curriculum as the Trump administration races to expand the agency.

The account by Ryan Schwank, a former ICE lawyer who worked at the federal government’s law enforcement training academy, coincided with the release by Senate Democrats of several dozen pages of internal ICE records that suggest the Trump administration has curtailed the agency’s basic training.

“For the last five months, I watched ICE dismantle the training program,” Mr. Schwank said at a forum held in Washington by congressional Democrats. “Cutting 240 hours of vital classes from a 584-hour program — classes that teach the Constitution, our legal system, firearms training, the use of force, lawful arrests, proper detention and the limits of officers’ authority.”

He added: “New cadets are graduating from the academy despite widespread concerns among training staff that even in the final days of training, the cadets cannot demonstrate a solid grasp of the tactics or the law required to perform their jobs.”

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Mr. Schwank was hired as an ICE lawyer in 2021 and became an instructor last year at the federal government’s law enforcement training academy in Georgia, where he taught courses on the law. He resigned on Feb. 13 after he and another publicly unidentified person submitted a confidential whistle-blower complaint on a separate matter that has raised constitutional questions: a new ICE policy allowing deportation officers to enter homes and arrest people without a judicial warrant.

“ICE is teaching cadets to violate the Constitution,” he said on Monday at the event with congressional Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/23/us/politics/ice-training-whistle-blower.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20260226&instance_id=171648&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=6046459&segment_id=215844&user_id=24ee0a2f48a00f7845fccfed4e0edadb

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-26T07:13:22-0600

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Not all of it is slop the same goes for AI music. It can make slop but in my opinion it’s ultimately the person who posts it on social media that is responsible for that.

d taylor · 2026-02-26T07:12:50-0600

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You are not going to find many areas where all agree. What would be the most important part of The Bible to get right is where i would start and that definitely would be how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

If they can not get that right, not much else matters.

FireDragon76 · 2026-02-26T07:12:02-0600

Jesus' teachings, and what he embodies in the Gospel narratives, about what fulfilling Torah means, are actually closer in some ways to some Hasidic Jewish ideas- devekut as orientation towards God over strict externalities, Torah as encounter with Hokmah, divine Wisdom, analogous to Logos. Not as instrumental rationality, but living, relational pattern. They don't fit neatly with exoteric religion focused on social order and clear boundaries, which is why certain forms of Catholicism might struggle to understand what "fulfilling the Law" means. It's not a strictly forensic accounting of rule-keeping.

Maria Billingsley · 2026-02-26T07:11:11-0600

JohnB445 said:
Or does this not exist, I am trying to learn the Bible and Christian history without it being through a perspective of a particular denomination only, but learning it in a way that it will be agreed to be true from all denominations.

I have learned that the Romans protected Apostle Paul when he was being hunted down, is this something everyone can agree with?

Well ancient history has been documented for centuries. Stick to historians and scholars to guild you. They have videos as well.

under grace1 · 2026-02-26T07:08:25-0600

Beth77 said:
Thanks in advance.

The council of Trent states:

CCC 2068, “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the(ten) Commandments.”

Maria Billingsley · 2026-02-26T07:07:53-0600

SavedByGrace3 said:
You can be done here all you want.
It most certainly is possible both medically and legally!
Medically, an abortion can be committed right up to the moment of birth. They can kill the baby as it is exiting the birth canal.
Legally:
As of early 2026, nine states and the District of Columbia have no specific gestational limits on when an abortion can be performed, allowing the procedure throughout all nine months of pregnancy: Alaska, Colorado, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.

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Killing a baby during or after birth is illegal in every U.S. state. Federal law, specifically the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, mandates that any infant born alive at any stage of development is a person with full legal rights.
The scenario you described—terminating a healthy, full-term pregnancy during delivery—is not a medical practice and would be prosecuted as homicide.

Apple Sky · 2026-02-26T07:06:34-0600

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BNR32FAN · 2026-02-26T07:06:28-0600

Leaf473 said:
When I ask my Seventh-Day Adventist sisters and brothers what to do in the far north where there may be a month-long Sabbath "day", the reply is
"Pick a reasonable option" or similar.

I can't think of a place where the Bible says that. Maybe it does?

The biblical method of dealing with questions about the law is to consult the Urim and Thummim

These men searched for their family records, but they could not find them and so were excluded from the priesthood as unclean. The governor ordered them not to eat the most holy things until there was a priest to consult the Urim and Thummim - Ezra 2

Lol I can’t imagine a 4-6 week long sabbath. That would be crazy. Your starve and freeze to death. Don’t you dare go gather any firewood or cook anything.

Studyman · 2026-02-26T07:02:16-0600

The Liturgist said:
None of the non-Sabbatarians here are objecting to Sabbatarians worshipping on the Seventh Day.

I do not except the labels placed on men by the various religious sects that exist in the world God placed me in. Jesus honored God in His Commandments including His Sabbaths, yet His Father never labeled Him a "Sabbatarian". And if a man rests on God's Sabbaths, but promotes for doctrines the commandments of men, then this man isn't keeping God's sabbaths, is he?

The Liturgist said:
The main issue rather is Sabbatarians judging us as sinful for worshipping on the First Day, despite the fact that the ancient Jews worshipped on the first day (Exodus 29:38-42, Daniel 6:10) and despite the fact we have obvious worship on the first day twice in Acts, most notably on the morning of the first day in Acts chapter 2, at the third hour from sunrise (which in Judea, at that time of year, would be around 9 AM, indeed the highly respected NIV translates this as “nine in the morning’).

You are free to justify and promote any religious philosophy you want. I was simply pointing out that Paul, in Colossians 2:16, was teaching the Body of Christ not to let men judge them in their obedience to God.

The Liturgist said:
I think I speak for all traditional Christians on the forum in saying all we desire is that Sabbatarians refrain from attacking us on this issue (as indeed a great many do; I’m having a very friendly dialogue with an SDA member at present, who hasn’t once gotten on my case once about the fact I worship on Sunday as well as on the seventh day.

Again, good for you and your traditions. I was simply pointing out in the Scriptures where Paul was teaching the Body of Christ not to let men judge them in their faithful obedience to God. "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,".

I'm not SDA, I do not promote SDA. Not sure what SDA has to do with my post.

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Leaf473 · 2026-02-26T06:57:15-0600

When I ask my Seventh-Day Adventist sisters and brothers what to do in the far north where there may be a month-long Sabbath "day", the reply is
"Pick a reasonable option" or similar.

I can't think of a place where the Bible says that. Maybe it does?

The biblical method of dealing with questions about the law is to consult the Urim and Thummim

These men searched for their family records, but they could not find them and so were excluded from the priesthood as unclean. The governor ordered them not to eat the most holy things until there was a priest to consult the Urim and Thummim - Ezra 2

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