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prodromos · Jun 24, 2025

As is usual with these threads, claims are made with zero evidence offered.
What is worse though is that these claims without evidence are being put forward by people who profess to be Christians.

Always in His Presence · Jun 24, 2025

SimplyMe said:
I'm curious what they think Biden's physician will testify to, at least beyond, "Due to HIPPA laws, I am not allowed to talk about the protected health information of my patient."

Good question. It'll make an interesting conundrum.

DragonFox91 · Jun 24, 2025

Oh man, I saw this was an older thread & was hoping to hear some good news. Keep trying, dude. We are praying for you. Fight the good fight & take hold of the eternal life you were called to

Always in His Presence · Jun 24, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
Whether he googled it or not, no pile of U-235 (60% or even richer) is going to become a 30 megaton bomb without a fusion booster and no one (and I mean no one) was claiming Iran was anywhere near a fusion boosted weapon.

You don't mind if I consider the words of the Administration - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the
International Atomic Energy Agency over yours, do you?

Always in His Presence · Jun 24, 2025

Vambram said:
Unbelievable.... but perhaps not. Anything that any public figure says putting President Trump in a good light, you appear to deny was actually said.

Perhaps these links you might find useful and helpful.

‘Dear Donald’: Trump posts Nato chief’s praise amid Hague summit trip; calls action against Iran ‘extraordinary’ and bold - Times of India

US News: President Trump shared messages from Nato secretary-general Rutte, lauding Trump's actions in Iran and his success in pushing allies to commit 5% of t

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Trump shares texts from NATO chief praising ‘decisive action’ on Iran

NATO Chief Mark Rutte also said Europe would increase defence spending in a ‘BIG way’ thanks to US pressure.

www.aljazeera.com

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Do you really think hearing the words coming out of the man's own mouth is proof enough?!

Ophiolite · Jun 24, 2025

Buzzard3 said:
Really? Literally thousands of scientific papers, articles and books have been written by evolutionary biologists about that very thing ... stories about how they think prehistoric life evolved.

No stories. Detailed accounts, based upon observation and carefully validated, of how one or other aspect of the mechanics of the evolutionary process expresses themselves and what the results of that expression are. Their stories are not an act of creation on their part, but an act of observation and inference and explanation.

Ultimately, and I am surprised no one else has mentioned it, you appear to be falling victim to the Argument from Incredulity fallacy. The interesting thing to me is that you "skillfully" avoid dealing with any proposals that could remove the ignorance that sustains that incredulity. At any rate, it does establish that further discussion with you is pointless. You cannot hear any argument while wearing ear defenders.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jun 24, 2025

Hentenza said:
You do realize that Romans and 2 Corinthians were written by Paul, right? Are you saying that Paul contradicts himself?

Not at all and you haven't eliminated Paul's 2 Cor. 5:19 statement by citing Paul's statement in Romans or any other statement by Paul.

Hentenza said:
Once you get into teachings that are not biblical folks can go every which way.

Last I checked it wasn't against Christianity to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Hentenza said:
I’m not catholic.

Play the orthodox heresy card attempt and get trumped by the facts of what orthodoxy really believes.

Hentenza said:
I’m yet to see anyone love ALL of their neighbors in particular the predators and such. I will preach to them in prison though.

Why do you condemn captives of the devil who are not one bit different of a sinner than you? Romans 3:9

Are you better than other sinners?

Hentenza said:
I‘ve been studying the Bible and theology for years and have never been led to theologies that are unbiblical. Maybe you should study the Bible without the unorthodox commentaries.

See previous orthodox positions and Romans 13:8-10 to polish up on the scriptural facts.

Do you think Jesus loves all our neighbors?

Learning always · Jun 24, 2025

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keras · Jun 24, 2025

For now, Israel and the US have delivered a decisive and perhaps fatal blow to Iran Inc. We’ll know soon enough if Trump’s intervention — with bullish airstrikes and diplomacy — has brought this round of fighting to a close. Whether this is the beginning, middle or end of this stage of Israel history — and what comes next — will take more time to figure out. Jerusalem Post

But we have Bible Prophecy!
The Prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11, is very applicable for today, just before the Day of the Lord, which will come unexpectedly.
We are told that in that time, people will say -'Peace and Safety', as Israel and Iran cease hostilities now and a peace agreement will be sponsored by America.
THEN; -destruction falls upon them.....and there will be no escape. This will be the many Prophesied Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath, to change the world and commence all the end times things.

RabbiJames · Jun 24, 2025

Psalm 23. A verse-by-verse understanding (Part 2)

VS 2. HE MAKES ME LIE DOWN IN GREEN PASTURES, HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL WATERS; (KJV)

HE HAS ME LIE DOWN IN GRASSY PASTURES, HE LEADS ME BY QUIET WATERS (Complete Jewish Study Bible)

When we read the second verse, we look into the life and mind of the shepherd. In this case, David the shepherd, who would one day be King David. He had his father's sheep to tend and care for. The job of a shepherd was to care for the sheep, watching over them and chasing off wild beasts that might want to kill them, or even thieves who might want to steal them. One important job was to see that they were fed. The shepherd would lead the sheep to pasture areas with green grass. Additionally, a water source had to be nearby. After the sheep had eaten the grass, they would drink water to satisfy their thirst.

We are the same way. We eat breakfast and have either fruit juice and/or coffee. Food and drink are necessary for a balanced diet. "Lying down" is a relaxing posture. The shepherd would not "hurry" the sheep. No one likes to eat in a hurry. A meal should be a relaxing time.

As the shepherd takes his sheep to grassy areas and to water sources, our shepherd, Yeshua/Jesus, gives us our spiritual food. The Bible is our "green pastures" and "Still waters." Yeshua has many titles, including "The Bread of Life" and "The Living Water." Bread has been a staple of man's diet for thousands of years and remains so today. We all need water as well.

We get to know God by studying His WORD. It should be a joyful and relaxing time to read and digest the words written down by the prophets and other writers that God chose to record his words. The Holy Spirit is our guiding shepherd, who illuminates our minds and souls with understanding.

VS3. HE RESTORETH MY SOUL; HE LEADETH ME IN THE PATHS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE (KJV)

HE RESTORES MY INNER PERSON. HE GUIDES ME IN RIGHT PATHS FOR THE SAKE OF HIS OWN NAME (Complete Jewish Study Bible)

The LORD, who is our shepherd, has given us His WORD as our spiritual food. It is our "green pasture" and "Still and living water". The WORD of God talks to our inner person and leads us to get right with God through a "Born-again" experience, accepting Yeshua as LORD and Savior. He then becomes our Shepherd. Our soul is "restored" from being alienated from God to being reconciled to God through Yeshua.

The Bible is our "right path," His commandments, "paths of righteousness." We are righteously saved by faith to walk in righteousness. Following and putting into practice his commandments (even though not all the 613 commandments are for today). His NAME is powerful. "Yeshuah" is "Salvation." For the sake of salvation, He gave up his life as a ransom for ours. The whole Bible is the "Path of Righteousness." Our job is to read, study, and live by God's standards as "His called out sheep"

Hentenza · Jun 24, 2025

FutureAndAHope said:
Although I believe God has a plan for His creation, I believe it flexes with man's choices. The fact is God does not "cause" any man to sin. Sin, specifically fornication can lead to childbirth, and whole generations of change. So God's plan must flex, with the choices of people.

Do we see examples of God's planning flexing? I say yes:

Gen 6:5-7 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

We see in the above scripture, God regretted making man. This shows that God did not plan out in a linear fashion people's destinies. He could only be sorry if there was a "free will" element that He did not control.

We also see that God progressively learned about His creation.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

We see above that God saw that man did not repent over longer life spans, so He restricted their life to 120 years in length. This shows God did not know the perfect length to begin with, but learned as time went by what was the best length for man to live.

1Sa 13:13-14 And Samuel said to Saul, "You have done foolishly. You have not kept the commandment of the LORD your God, which He commanded you. For now the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. But now your kingdom shall not continue.

We also see above that the LORD "would have" established Saul's kingdom forever, had he not sinned, but sin denied him that opportunity.

So in conclusion, we see God's plan flexes with the choices made by people.

I know that trying to discern and fully understand God’s attributes is impossible for us since there is an infinite difference between an infinite being and a finite being. That being said, the Bible clearly teaches us that God is omniscient. He knows all and therefore knows all past, present, and future. Read verses like 1 John 3:20, Mathew 10:29-30, and Isaiah 46:9-10 among many. So if God knows all that is going to happen He already knows the faults of Saul and mankind in general. I will posit to you that words like regret or repent with relation to God’s emotions is anthropomorphic to help us understand His sorrow in human terms.

Please understand that if God could change His mind then He could change His mind about the redemptive sacrifice of Christ, or any other covenant. In addition, if God is contingent on man or any other agency then God could not be the first cause and would be dependent of the agency in which He is contingent to not ever knowing the result if His creation.

Akita Suggagaki · Jun 24, 2025

And regardless of Adam and Eve in the Garden we are sinful all on our own in need of Christ and his redemption.

Lukaris · Jun 24, 2025

BCP1928 said:
And you think that if the Islamic Republic is overthrown the resulting new government will be pro-American? Pro Zionist?

I have no idea as far as its political alliances but I do think Iran would become more secular in its culture and politics. Women probably would be much better off. I don’t know how well Christians would fare in this, I would hope greater religious freedom would be given to Christians, Jews, Bahais, Zoroasters etc.

Vambram · Jun 24, 2025

Fantine said:
Ungrammatical, sophomoric, written at less than a sixth grade reading level. How did he rise to a position of such prominence?
I need more proof. News Nation is nouveau Fox, and it still seems inauthentic.

Unbelievable.... but perhaps not. Anything that any public figure says putting President Trump in a good light, you appear to deny was actually said.

Perhaps these links you might find useful and helpful.

‘Dear Donald’: Trump posts Nato chief’s praise amid Hague summit trip; calls action against Iran ‘extraordinary’ and bold - Times of India

US News: President Trump shared messages from Nato secretary-general Rutte, lauding Trump's actions in Iran and his success in pushing allies to commit 5% of t

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Trump shares texts from NATO chief praising ‘decisive action’ on Iran

NATO Chief Mark Rutte also said Europe would increase defence spending in a ‘BIG way’ thanks to US pressure.

www.aljazeera.com

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BCP1928 · Jun 24, 2025

Buzzard3 said:
A natural process is devoid of any supernatural influence. For example, you can boil water without God stepping in to help.

Where did you get the water?

BCP1928 · Jun 24, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
Keep in mind, AV, that where science and the academy are at play in the great wide world, "practical" working scientists in labs and out in the field have often been known to flout the importance of both the theoretical teaching of Science as well as the field of the Philosophy of Science. This even affects the methods (i.e. the "how") for the teaching of the Theory of Evolution in classrooms.

In other words, it's not just the Bible that many (but obviously not all) "practical" working scientists think is a waste of time. They also tend to think that science teachers and science philosophers are second rate citizens in the world of science. So, there's a further wrinkle in the larger scheme of the Screwtapian Problem.

I'm afraid that as regards public school science teachers in this country, they are right. And it's not because they don't embrace your favorite philosophers of science, but a lack of actual scientific training. They are not subject matter experts and in fact there is a tendency in public education not to employ subject matter experts in any of the teaching specialties.

d taylor · Jun 24, 2025

Hentenza said:
I agree which is why I posted about sounding like he is following the law rather than the Spirit.

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Ok, i really did not know what you were addressing and i agree the poster is trying to work their way to heaven.

Akita Suggagaki · Jun 24, 2025

trophy33 said:
For me, the literal existence of Adam and Eve is not important. Nothing changes regarding Christ, God or gospel.

Yes, the view of the Bible or some theological frameworks (like the original sin) may shift for some people, but that is life. We are not forbidden to update our views when we learn new facts.

What also shifts is one's broader conception of the entire Bible. It is no longer a matter of fact, face value, plain and simple document. Some people need it to stay that way. Fine for them. I find it more helpful to see it as a vast collection of different genre documents written in a human/divine collaboration. And it no longer conflicts with contemporary theories of cosmology and geology.

Of course we have to start with a literal sense and enter into the narrative as if we ourselves are there. What to take as literal historical and what to take as another form requires discernment and critical reading.

But that is only the first step. In allegory we can explore possible symbolism, archetypes, themes, and motifs.

We can move on to moral considerations. What does it tell us about how should we live our lives? What is just? What is right?

And my favorite, the anagogical sense. What does it tell us about where it is all going? What does it tell us about heaven? What is the mystical meaning of the text?

And in all this it helps also to consider all the we have learned in the last 200 years regarding
Textual Criticism (Lower Criticism):
Focuses on establishing the most accurate text of the Bible by examining different manuscript variations.

and

Historical Criticism (Higher Criticism):
Investigates the historical background, authorship, date, sources, and intended audience of biblical texts.

Literary Criticism:
Analyzes the Bible as literature, examining its genres, themes, and literary devices.
(AI Summary)

There is a whole history of the development of these as well as the opposition that exists to this day and is present on this forum.

That is just how it is. We each choose how we want to approach the Bible and our approach will most likely change as we grow spiritually.

Chesterton · Jun 24, 2025

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