JohnB445 said:

I had thought, I am reading so little why even bother right now.

is this the wrong kind of thinking? I have so much going on in life with work, right now it seems I don't have the time to do anything

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rjs330 said:

It still makes no sense.

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Ed Parenteau said:

Here's why, and your question proves that the following is the case to this very day.

The Nicene Creed becomes state law.
The Roman Emperor Theodosius I's Edict of Thessalonica in 380 CE did not make all forms of Christian practice illegal, but it condemned and outlawed all forms of Christianity that did not conform to Nicene Christianity. This had severe consequences for Christian groups considered heretical, particularly Arianism.
Background: The Arian controversy
The Edict of Thessalonica came during decades of intense theological dispute in the Roman Empire known as the Arian controversy.
Arianism: Led by Arius, a priest from Alexandria, this school of thought argued that Jesus Christ was not co-eternal with God the Father but was a created being, subordinate to him.
Nicene Christianity: This orthodox position held that Christ was consubstantial, or of the same divine substance, as the Father. This was first established at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE.
The controversy was deeply political and religious, with different emperors and regions supporting opposing viewpoints. Emperor Theodosius's predecessor, Valens, was an Arian, which had allowed Arianism to flourish in the East.
The Edict's prohibitions
With the Edict of Thessalonica, Emperor Theodosius I formally mandated adherence to Nicene Christianity throughout the Roman Empire and designated all other Christian interpretations as heresy.
Specifically, the edict declared:
Marginalization of heretics: The law branded non-Nicene Christians as "foolish madmen" and decreed that their places of worship could not be called "churches".
Exclusion from cities: Later decrees, beginning in 381 CE, forbade heretics from meeting for worship within city walls, effectively banishing them from urban centers and their social and religious life.
Confiscation of property: The state began seizing the property of heretical Christian groups, including their churches, and turned them over to Nicene bishops.
State-sanctioned punishment: Theodosius's edicts authorized imperial authority to punish those who deviated from Nicene doctrine. While early punishments were non-lethal, the legal basis was established for later, more severe persecution. In 385, the bishop Priscillian became the first Christian to be judicially executed for heresy, though the sentence was condemned by some prominent bishops.
The aftermath
The Edict of Thessalonica effectively ended the Arian controversy by using imperial power to crush theological dissent. Theodosius's actions, and the subsequent First Council of Constantinople in 381 CE, ensured that the state and church would enforce a single, orthodox interpretation of Christianity. All other Christian groups, no matter how large their following, were cast as illegal and dangerous enemies of both the church and the state.

Whereas, all the prophecies, all the promises and all the grammar point to a first century fulfillment, futurism has it narrowed down to eternity.
Jesus said in the book of Revelation He was coming quickly using the present tense 4 times. I guess believing Him is considered a damnable heresy. Well, I'm going to believe Him anyways.

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Daniel Martinovich said:

When you cite a rejection of a future second coming of Christ then what you are really citing a rejection of a literal physical brick and mortar kingdom on this earth.

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Somethhing no Orthodox Pret does.

Daniel Martinovich said:

But that is not unorthodox. That is the teaching held by most historical denominations.I do not know

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For example?

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GodAndChocolateVanilla said:

Okay I am sorry. I thought you were. I was wrong. [Hugs]

What did you actually mean?

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rjs330 said:

There are neighborhoods where they have organized watches where when ICE is seen they blow whistles summoning crowds of people who rush the agents.

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Guojing said:

The New covenant is also for Israel, not gentiles. (Romans 9:4, Hebrews 8:8).

It all boils down back to my original question to you, "do you consider yourself as Israel"?

If your answer is still no, then the Law of Moses and the New Covenant is not given to you, like the commandment to build an ark in Genesis 6:14.

If you still want to obey the Law of Moses, be my guest.

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stevevw said:

It really doesn't matter because they all came to the same findings. They actually reinforced each others findings. If there was any doubt on the method then it was dispelled when they found the same precision and matched. They all tested Olgas vases (imprecise), and the OG vase (precise) and they all came to the same conclusions.

Are they all lying. Forget about all the fixation on specific methods. They clearly state in words that the findings of their tests (methods) show the predynastic vases as precise and on par with modern machining such as lathing.

Based on the plate layout inspection performed, we recognize that the manufacturing precision of the six ancient granite vessels is comparable in accuracy to modern processes such as CNC lathe turning, exhibited in the modern control vessel.

Are they lying. Or are misrepresenting the vases. According to you if they did not do ample testing or they did faulty testing they could not justify such a statement.

So are they lying.

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Fisherking said:

It is not about all Believers, its only about Israel, they always Conquered Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region and thus the last Beast (a man who is the President of the E.U.) will thus only conquer Israel and THE MANY (The Mediterranean Sea Region nations who are all currently in 7 year cycled agreements with the E.U. under the guise of the European Neighborhood Policy. But the Dan. 9:27 Agreement only kicks in when Israel join the E.U. thus the Dan. 11:40-43 conquering is end time events only.

P.S. I agree, you have to DECODE the Book of Revelation (BoR) with the Old Testament.


Dan. 11:40-43 is End Time Events. NOTICE, he can not conquer Edom, Ammon nor Moab where Israel flee Judea unto in Rev. 12 and as told elsewhere. I have done an Exegesis on Dan. 11 & 12 where I explain every vs. in detail and name all the players. Verses 28-31 proves that Antiochus is only about verses 21-33-34, verse 35 is a transition verse, then we get the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45.

28 Then shall he(Antiochus) return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant(kills 60-90k Jews); and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south(Egypt/Alexandria) but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. (KEY.....Notice where the story goes here, we are told Antiochus tries to retake Egypt, but the Roman Senator drew a circle around him and dared him, so he never came against Egypt again, thus this effort by him was not as THE FORMER where he went to Egypt and ruled, nor as the LATER in verses 40-43 where the Little Horn/Anti-Christ Conquers Turkey/Seleucus and Egypt/Ptolemy, this time he will not be able to conquer Egypt, Rome would not allow it. Shortly thereafter Antiochus died from a disease on the Eastern Front or WITHOUT HANDS just like the AC will.)

30 For the ships of Chittim(Rome came from an Island named Cypress) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

So, basically, he had half the Jews on his side, Jason was a Jew whose real name was Yeshua, he bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, having his pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. He welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, he mandated that all Jews become Hellenized which led to the Maccabean Revolt. Thus he was the Archetype False Prophet, under the Archetype Anti-Christ, thus we know the End Time False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest and the End Time Little Horn/AC will be a Greek Born man who is over Old Rome or Rome Reunited or the E.U. and Greek is in the E.U.


None of this is correct. The dates are not even from Nebuchadnezzar, notice if so it would have been over 600 years until Jesus' death. The 70 Weeks Decree starts when God sets Israel free and 7 times (X) their sins because of their disobedience. This it starts with Daniel's 70 weeks Prophecy, it goes for 483 years until Jesus dies then God pauses Israel 70th week judgment because He deserts them for nigh 2000 years and takes the mantle away from them and gives it unto the Gentiles (Church Age) and only when the Fulness of the Gentiles comes in (our mission is complete on taking the Gospel unto the whole world) will God call Israel back unto Repentance, as the 70th week starts up, as the Church is Raptured Pre Trib.


I have to get back later, I am getting page unresponsive ever 5 seconds, al these adds I guess.

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stevevw said:

Its easy to point out logical fallacies. Like ad hominems. The posts have been over half fixated on the sources and people involved. Thats an obvious fallacious arguement that attacks the credibility of the researchers.

When over half the thread is on ad hominems its not a false accusation. Its beyong justified and into fixation because they want to discredit the sources to discredit the findings.

When someone calls an expert in engineering and precision tool with over 50 years of experience a whacko and doesn't know what he is doing in the very industry they specialise in thats an obvious ad hominem. When someone else automatically calls PHD level specialist as ameteurs you know its a fallacy and unjustified.

Do you really want me to go back and point out the utter trash talk that as been directed at these researchers and myself. I think you will find I am correct.

So no they are not false accusations and your claim is itself a false accusation lol.

This is itself a fallacy and misrepresentation. The skeptics concerns about the sources and researchers is a valid one. But what is happening here is beyond valid and into a witch hunt lol.

When posters call people like Dunn a whacko and doing psuedoscience but in reality he is probably one of the best experts to do these kinds of tests you know its biased and unjustified attacks. When posters automatically call these researchers ameteurs you know its biased.

This would not happen in any formal response. Unlike a social media site where people can get away with such blanatant personal attacks on people. I could go back if you want and show you all the attacks. Even on the first page before the actual content was discussed it was all relegated to whackery lol. Clear bias.

Except Steve is pointing to the actual experts who have actually done the work and at least put it online open for you and others to challenged. But not on some social media site. If you think they are wrong then write up an article, do the tests, make an appointment at the Petrie museum and retest the vases.

I have several experts who clearly state these vases are in the precise class. Are they lying.

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stevevw said:

You seem to keep avaoiding this question. Its a simpl;e question.

Was a lathe used and are the researchers lying when they say these vases are precise and on par with mordern machining. Did they fake the lathing marks in the vases.

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Hans Blaster said:

Which has exactly what to do with any of this?

Now, I'm going to turn this over to my friend Homer from Sector 7-G:

Homer: It's pronounced "nuc-u-ler"

Thanks, Homer.

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Hans Blaster said:

Measuring what? What is his metrology expertise?

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Hans Blaster said:

Cold fusion? Oh brother. Cold fusion was an error made by a couple of physical chemists. Any working on "cold fusion" after 1995 is chasing nonsense.

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Fusion energy gets a boost from cold fusion chemistry​

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Hans Blaster said:

Why? What does "Computer Engineering Science" (sic) have to do with scanning things? Please explain.

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GodAndChocolateVanilla said:

Hmm…. Sounds a bit judgmental.

If that was your intention in your post, to judge me, then you are in no place to because you are not perfect either.

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RocksInMyHead said:

Clearly not the case.

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RocksInMyHead said:

Also clearly not the case.

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RocksInMyHead said:

Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.

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jamiec said:

Those posts redefine the phrase “wall of text”.

How do you expect other posters to interact with something that is thousands of words long ?

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Fisherking said:

I can already guess where this is going, I have seen it 1000s of time, I will play along but lets just say this looks like the old RCC is the Boggy Man thread.

The Seals are NOTHING, and also nothing that happens after Rev. 2 and 3 (The Church Age) can be a part of anything other than the 70th week. What do I mean by the Seals are NOTHING? Well, they were never meant to be understood as Judgments, but instead to show unto the world/church that God has all of the Judgments SEALED UP until His Wrath falls, but that only starts in Rev. 8, that is why the 7th Seal is in Rev 8 and not in Rev. 6. Look at it like this.

It must flow, Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age (THE THINGS WHICH ARE) and everything after Rev. 4:1 is the 70th week HEREAFTER (The Thins which will be Hereafter) And as we can see the Pre Trib. Raptured Church is in heaven in Rev. 4, 5 and 7, BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. But how is it that the Seals are not Wrath, how do we explain Seals 1-5 and Seal #6 then? The Seals are Jesus FORETELLING the Church in Heaven what is about to befall the earth via his Wrath, and the Anti-Christ is a part of God's Wrath as Isaiah 10:4-6 says. Thus Jesus/Angels tells the Church to COME AND SEE, COME AND SEE (it is a vision of the future). In Seals 1-5 We are shown the 42 months of the Anti-Christs life, he will 1.) conquer 2.) Bring Wars 3.) Which will bring Famine 4.) And his 42 months of rule will bring Sickness, Death and the Grave/Hades. Finally he will kill the Gentile Converts, he can not get at the Jewish Converts, God protects them in the Petra/Bozrah region for 1260 days. Then the church in heaven are FORETOLD about God's soon to fall Wrath, which will do what? Turn the Sun & Moon Dark and the Moon will look blood red. Well, isn't that what Trump #4 does? The Seals SEAL UP God's Wrath, just lie a Letter from a King Sealed with Three Wax Signet Seals could not be read by anyone unless they first broke those seals, ALL THREE........Thus ALL SEVEN Seals must be broken before God's Wrath can fall. So, why is the 7th Seal over in Rev.8 ? Because Rev. 7 is a CODE for All Israel who repents, its not 144,000, jut like Christendom is not only 10 Female "Virgin" Brides. God uses numbers, 10 = Completion, 12 = Fulness so 10 x 10 x 12 x 12 x 12 if God SHOUTING this s ALL Israel who repents, and thus they are not all Male Virgins either, that just means they have repented, they are Male because Israel was called first !! God also saved Himself 7000 men remember? 7 = Divine Completion, thus we have 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 or Israel whom God had saved, whom He then displaced the world over until the end times, where He regathered them in 1948, but without Breath in them (not saved).

Reread Rev. 7 what does it say? HOLD BACK the four winds (Wrath/Judgment) and HURT NOT the Earth, Sea nor Trees until the 144,000 are SEALED (Saved). Well, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Wrath of God which sees an Asteroid Impact in Trumps 1-4 its one event in four phases. You looking back in history just tells me you do not understand the book of Revelation brother.


No it is not.

Rev. 2&3 is the Church Age

Everything after Rev. 4:1 (the Pre Trib. Rapture) is the HEREAFTER or after the Church Age, the 70th week.

Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven praising God and Jesus

Rev. 6 is Jesu opening the Seals which looses the Wrath of God in Rev. 8

Rev. 7 is the Jews who repented being Sealed by the Holy Spirit and God says HOLD UP EVERYTHING until I have them saved and protected.

Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath. The 30 minutes of Silence is the Heavens/Angels saying we take no joy in this judgment, just like it repented God when He had to flood the whole earth. Trumps 1-4 are one Asteroid.

Rev. 9 is still in perfect Chronological Order, only after this chapter did God on purpose jumble it up. The First Two Woes come in Rev. 9 telling us Rev. 11 MUST BE a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.

Rev. 16 is the final Wrath Chapter(really 15&16 go together just as Rev. 8 had the Angels readying the Trumps to Sound THEN Sounding them later, in Rev. 15 we see the Angels readying the Vials to be poured out THEN pouring them out in Rev. 16 only) The 3rd Woe is all 7 Vials, which emit from the 7th Trump.

The Parenthetical Chapters

Everything else are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, meaning they all happen during the 42 months of Wrath we see in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16. Now, if we are observant we can see how almost everyone of these chapters can be seen in a 1260 day bracket, and Rev. 8, 9 and 16 last 1260 days (God's Wrath equals a Time, Times and half time or 1260 days or 42 months_

Rev. 10 is now no longer a mystery, the 7 THUNDERS are simply the 7 Trumps, God Wrath all lies in only 7 Trumps, the 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump and are the 3rd Woe. Why was the little book sweet in the mouth but bitter in the stomach? Because just like the 30 minutes of silence, only Judgment could bring John into the eternal Godhead, that was sweet but then John saw the billions of humans who ad to be judged and killed, and that was bitter unto him !! When the 7th Thunder Sounds (7th Trump) time will be no more [as we have known it under Satan, Babylon falls, Jesus will no rule].

Rev. 11 is a tad different it starts 1335 days before the 2nd Coming, the 2 Witnesses are the 1335 Blessing. They die BEFORE THE BEAST right? At the 2nd Woe vs. him dying at the 7th Vial, so their timelines can not be the same can it? But both have 1260 day Offices as appointed or Ordained by God. So, since the die first, they have to show up first, thus each number in Dan. 12 is a set number of days until the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45). Thus the 2 Witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God both Malachi 4:5 and Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 says so, then the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest) will FORBID Jesus Worship by those 1/3 (5 million Jews) who repented in "HIS" Temple, and e will then place an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the temple (the AoD). That AoD sign gives those Jews 30 days to Flee Judea. Then the Anti-Christ comes on the scene as "The Beast" 30 days later, and 75 days after the 2 Witnesses show up. So, Rev. 11 lasts for 1335 days in full, but it only tells about what the 7th Trump will bring, VICTORY, we only get the details in Rev. 16.

Rev. 12 is Israel fleeing for.............1260 days.

Rev. 13 is the Beast ruling for...........1260 days

Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter, we see the VERY END where Jesus shows up and the 144,000 (5 million Jews) are awaiting, but they are really in the Petra area, its just symbolic of "The Harvest" of Israel. Likewise in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the Harvest of the Wicked Grapes (Tares) who grow together with the Wheat (Israel) until the end, then the are Harvested into the Gave to be judged 1000 years later. So, who does Jesus Harvest in Rev. 14:14 ? Well, he harvest us the Church from upon a cloud, it is the Pre Trib. Rapture shown to John in the old Cinematic Flashback style. Thus this chapter covers 7 full years like Rev. 19.

Rev. 17 is the Beast and his kings killing of the Harlot (False Religion) this lasts for only 42 months of course.

Rev. 18 is the Whole World (Babylon) being Judged by God and that Wrath lasts for 1260 days.

Rev. 19 shows the Church in Heaven before we get our White Robes or Marries the Lamb. Then we are seen returning with Jesus to the Marriage Supper (Armageddon) thus this chapter covers 7 years also.

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rjs330 said:

It still makes no sense.

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