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durangodawood · Aug 15, 2025

What does changing a tire or who punches who have to do with voting.... or any other aspect of political equality?

I can tell you most women out here are pretty handy. This house bound female fragility thing is foreign to me, and it doesn't sound appealing for either women or men.

I will say, for some reason out here men are more likely to waste money on stupid huge trucks.

Hentenza · Aug 15, 2025

JosephZ said:
How do you think Americans would react if the government of another country carved out a portion of the United States and gave the land to foreigners despite American opposition to this plan?

It has already happened. Look at the Native American history. Humans like war.

JosephZ said:
This may come as a surprise, but modern nation-states are a relatively recent concept.

Not really. There are many nations created in antiquity. After the departure of the Romans and the arrival of the Ottoman Empire there was plenty of opportunity to set up a nation. In fact, the phillistines, which Palestine is named after, had a nation and founded several cities.

JosephZ said:
The suicide bombings by Hamas and Islamic Jihad following the signing of the Oslo Accords were in direct response to the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre. It was Israeli settlers that opposed the peace process.

The massacre at the Cave of the Patriarchs – 30 Palestinians killed and more than 120 wounded by automatic gunfire from Baruch Goldstein at the Cave of the Patriarchs on the morning of Purim (and the middle of Ramadan) on February 25, 1994

Provocation to provoke a Palestinian response has always been a cornerstone of the settlers' method of expanding their control. And this time – also according to his wife's testimony – Goldstein's goal was to destroy the Oslo Accords with a massacre that would require revenge. This is what happened in the past: the massacre of the convoy of doctors and nurses to Hadassah on April 13, 1948, in which 77 Jews were murdered, came immediately after the Deir Yassin massacre by the Irgun and Lehi, four days earlier. The settlers internalized and perfected the method.

Hamas and Jihad mobilized for revenge and portrayed Arafat and the PLO as neglecting the defense of their people. After a period of significant calm following the signing of the Oslo Accords, the massacre in the cave sparked a series of revenge attacks unparalleled since the War of Independence. 164 Israelis were murdered in eight bomb attacks, all by Hamas and Jihad, all inside Israel, all from explosive belts and IEDs. The facts did not confuse the settlers who mobilized to dance on the blood and call Rabin a "traitor" for "Rabin gave them guns." After all, the goal - the elimination of Rabin and Oslo - sanctifies lies.

WEST BANK MASSACRE: AT LEAST 40 SLAIN IN WEST BANK AS ISRAELI FIRES INTO MOSQUE; CLINTON MOVES TO RESCUE TALKS -- NEW CLASHES LIKELY.

On the bloodiest day in the occupied territories since Israel captured them in 1967, a Jewish settler killed at least 40 and possibly 50 Palestinians and wounded an estimated 150 others today, spraying them with automatic rifle fire as they knelt together in prayer at a shrine venerated by both Muslims and Jews.

The gunman, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, a 37-year-old resident of Qiryat Arba, opened fire on the Muslim worshipers at dawn in a mosque at the Cave of the Patriarchs in the tinderbox West Bank city of Hebron. The terrorist attack came as the victims were gathered to offer prayers as part of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting.

The Brooklyn-born settler, a follower of the anti-Arab Rabbi Meir Kahane, was apparently beaten to death by the worshipers after they overcame their initial terror.

The massacre touched off Palestinian rioting and clashes with Israeli soldiers that claimed about 10 Arab lives elsewhere in Hebron and other parts of the Israeli-occupied territories.

The massacre of the Muslim worshipers in Hebron sent shock waves through the Middle East and beyond, raising fears for the Israeli-Palestinian peace accord and prompting President Clinton to summon both sides to Washington for nonstop negotiations aimed at keeping the peace effort alive.

The chairman of the P.L.O., Yasir Arafat, described the killings as a "true blow to the peace process."

An armed wing of Hamas, the militant Islamic group, warned of reprisals for the Hebron massacre. In leaflets distributed in Gaza City, it said: "Our response will not take long."

This massacre was perpetrated by one person who belonged to the ultra far right Zionist Kach movement. Hardly representative of the people of Israel.

Hamas, on the other hand, is a terrorist organization that thrives on violence including against the Gazans.

JosephZ said:
Hamas is only a symptom of decades of injustices against Palestinians. It's the failure to address these injustices that's the root cause of this current conflict.

That ship has sailed. Their best chance of implementing a two state solution is via negotiations not war. I hope and pray that the violence in Gaza ends by removing Hamas from the picture and a new Arab government elected.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Nope. Although both are wrong, they are not both equally wrong.

I disagree.

Oompa Loompa said:
For example, a man approaches another man and spits in his face only for the man to knock him out. Compare that to a woman spitting in a man's face only for the man to knock the woman out. Which is worse?

Neither is worse than the other. Both are equally wrong.

RDKirk · Aug 15, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Women had to fight to be able to serve in the military in combat positions. This year, women in top positions are being forced out.

Frankly, women should not be in most combat positions (at least not in the ones in which "combat" is not done sitting down). The military has proven that over and over again since the 80s in every field exercise. But that isn't politically correct to say.

rjs330 · Aug 15, 2025

ozso said:
Yay a street dweller just smashed my windshield. Which is going to cost me $300 to replace. Those poor victims sure do a lot of victimizing. This one looks like it was pure vandalism. Rather than the usual smashing side windows to rob cars for drug money. I figure anyone who's heart bleeds over crackdowns hasn't ever been victimized by them.

I'm sorry that happened to you. These people absolutely need to be removed. I hope we can open up places again where the mentally ill can be housed and tg e addicted can be placed to get cleaned up. Both those options would clean up about 75% of the homeless problems. What dramatic effect that would have on our streets.

River Jordan · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
If I see something that I don't agree with (theory of evolution) I'm going to point out what I can and use whatever evidence I have. Simple as that

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

BCP1928 · Aug 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Now, please explain to our liberal feminist friends here who believe that women should be treated equally to men, why it is wrong for a man to punch a woman more so than a man punching another man?

It is equally wrong in both cases.

Oompa Loompa said:
Okay. Then for you, equal rights mean equal lefts. That is your choice. Fix your own car and do your own repairs. Personally, if I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will pull over and ask if you have a spare. Of not, I will give you the number for a tow company. If yes, I will drive on assuming you know how to change your own tire by yourself.

Fix your own car and do your own repairs? Who does that any more? It's not your responsibility as a man any more than it is for a woman. Does your manhood depend on your ability to change a tire?

Oompa Loompa · Aug 15, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
Did I say that anywhere? Equal rights for equal lefts…?

Again I ask, "Should women be treated equally with men or not?" Being treated equally with men implies that men will confront you and fight you like a man.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Here comes the stone throwing . No room here for alternate theories.

If you want an alternate theory to be accepted, you need to present evidence for one. The theory of evolution has evidence, otherwise it wouldn't be a theory. Do you understand this very simple fact?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Pride has nothing to do with this, I can't believe you can even think something like that. If I see something that I don't agree with (theory of evolution) I'm going to point out what I can and use whatever evidence I have. Simple as that, no pride involved anywhere. I sometimes feel though most evolutionists are so connected to their theories that they do not want to see or hear anything contradicting them (that could show flaws in the theory, now that in my eyes is pride).

But you are admitting it is a pride thing. You going "If I see something that I don't agree with (theory of evolution) I'm going to point out what I can and use whatever evidence I have." Ignoring the latter (which you have done nothing of sort, just making baseless claims with no real evidence behind it apart from wishful thinking on your part), your entire thing is that YOU don't agree with it. Not that science is wrong, not that it's a religious thing: just that YOU don't agree with it.
How is that not prideful?

Tropical Wilds · Aug 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Okay. Then for you, equal rights mean equal lefts. That is your choice.

Did I say that anywhere? Equal rights for equal lefts…?

Oompa Loompa said:
Fix your own car and do your own repairs.

Uh… I do fix my own car…? I just changed the power steering fluid on my car last week. And I do the home repairs around the house.

Oompa Loompa said:
Personally, if I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will pull over and ask if you have a spare.

You don’t need to, I do.

Oompa Loompa said:
Of not, I will give you the number for a tow company.

No need. I have USAA.

Oompa Loompa said:
If yes, I will drive on assuming you know how to change your own tire by yourself.

Good, because I do and wouldn’t want you to stop because apparently you randomly punch people.

You may need to stop for my husband, though, because I’m not sure he could change a tire. Also, probably my father. He can change a tire, but he’s in his 70s with arthritis and can’t move around so well. Be sure to tell them their wife/daughter is more of a man than they are. They’ll get a kick out of that. Don’t literally kick them though, please. As we established, they’re men and have it rough.

River Jordan · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Here comes the stone throwing . No room here for alternate theories.

Um, isn't that what the guys in the video are doing? Aren't they just throwing rocks at origins researchers while not offering anything positive as an alternative?

I'll ask again, what exactly do they want? And why do they think any origins researchers care what they think about their work?

Oompa Loompa · Aug 15, 2025

RocksInMyHead said:
It isn't? Both are equally wrong. The only time you should be punching someone (outside of martial arts competition/training, I guess) is in defending yourself or someone else from another person's assault. And whether you're being assaulted by a woman or a man isn't really relevant.

Nope. Although both are wrong, they are not both equally wrong. For example, a man approaches another man and spits in his face only for the man to knock him out. Compare that to a woman spitting in a man's face only for the man to knock the woman out. Which is worse?

Hvizsgyak · Aug 15, 2025

River Jordan said:
It's weird because what exactly do they want? Those guys think origin of life researchers should do what? Shut down all their research just because those three guys think it's a waste of time?

Why do those guys think researchers care at all what they think? Talk about having an inflated sense of self-importance!

Here comes the stone throwing :sigh:

. No room here for alternate theories.

River Jordan · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Boy, are you condescending. I wouldn't think anyone an idiot for thinking that. There are many people who feel aliens did start the whole life here on Earth. The Sumerians laid out some very impressive cuneiform tablet stating those same thoughts.

You're missing the point. Within the sciences young-earth creationism has about the same status as flat-earthism and the advocates for both are thought of in about the same terms, if at all.

Hvizsgyak · Aug 15, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
If nothing else, you're demonstrating that you've still not learnt anything from this thread and seem to be proud of it.

Pride has nothing to do with this, I can't believe you can even think something like that. If I see something that I don't agree with (theory of evolution) I'm going to point out what I can and use whatever evidence I have. Simple as that, no pride involved anywhere. I sometimes feel though most evolutionists are so connected to their theories that they do not want to see or hear anything contradicting them (that could show flaws in the theory, now that in my eyes is pride).

Oompa Loompa · Aug 15, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
Be prepared to be shocked… Yes, despite your fixation with determining when it’s apporpriate to punch a woman in the face, I still think women deserve to be treated equally.

Okay. Then for you, equal rights mean equal lefts. That is your choice. Fix your own car and do your own repairs. Personally, if I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will pull over and ask if you have a spare. Of not, I will give you the number for a tow company. If yes, I will drive on assuming you know how to change your own tire by yourself.

River Jordan · Aug 15, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
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I'm sure most of you will throw rocks at this video and call the people in it all sorts of derogatory names (because they are challenging the status quo). But again this is here for those other people who want to know what the flaws are with the theory of evolution (and cannot get it from the Google search because Google search is in the same side as alot of these stone throwing scientists).

It's weird because what exactly do they want? Those guys think origin of life researchers should do what? Shut down all their research just because those three guys think it's a waste of time?

Why do those guys think researchers care at all what they think? Talk about having an inflated sense of self-importance!

PTW · Aug 15, 2025

Undergrads

HIM · Aug 15, 2025

bbbbbbb said:
You are correct. You did not quote any scripture at all to support your position. You seem to believe that your mishmash of theology is sufficient to rebut scripture, which I did quote.

You are mistaken. Chapters 11, 10 and 12 of Hebrews was quoted in context which refutes your stance. And then Philippians 2 was also quoted showing you took that chapter out of context.

Maybe next response you can forgo the insults and just answer the points shown through the context. Thanks.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Now, please explain to our liberal feminist friends here who believe that women should be treated equally to men, why it is wrong for a man to punch a woman more so than a man punching another man?

It isn't? Both are equally wrong. The only time you should be punching someone (outside of martial arts competition/training, I guess) is in defending yourself or someone else from another person's assault. And whether you're being assaulted by a woman or a man isn't really relevant.

Not hitting a woman out of "chivalry" rather than the simple concept that "assault is wrong" is pretty disturbing, not gonna lie. It's like those who tell you that their Christian faith is the only thing stopping them from raping or murdering people. Like, I'm glad you're not doing that, but that fact that religion is the only thing stopping you and not - y'know - your conscience? That suggests there's something very wrong with you.

Tropical Wilds · Aug 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Now, please explain to our liberal feminist friends here who believe that women should be treated equally to men, why it is wrong for a man to punch a woman more so than a man punching another man?

You would like me to explain why I think it’s wrong to assault people…? You think feminists don’t already know why assault is bad…?

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