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bbbbbbb · 2024-07-27T00:03:06-0500

Do lawyers and politicians actually think?

rjs330 · 2024-07-26T23:57:56-0500

Bradskii said:
Don't be silly. Of course he had a choice.

No he didn't. He was going to be ousted. The easy way or the hard way.

Bradskii said:
'. He could have chosen to dig his heels in.

He did up until the last second. He kept telling everyone he wasn't dropping out. He finally had no choice. Resign ir face tge full embarrassing ouster.

Bradskii said:
But he saw that he had to sacrifice his personal ambition for the good of his party. Which means for the good of the country.

This means the party didn't want him. It was either stay for his own ambition or leave so the party didn't have to come out and get rid of him in front of everyone.

Bradskii said:
cannot, obviously, have been an easy decision. To say, to admit publicly, 'Hey, I guess I'm not good enough now. My time is up. We need someone better'. It took guts.

No it didn't. He was in it and had to be threatened in order for him to get out. He didn't think his time was up until about 5 minutes before he dropped out. It didn't take guts, it took threats.

Belk · 2024-07-26T23:57:06-0500

rjs330 said:
I said if they did it right? Arrested.and deported if they did it. That takes due process.

No, you kind of skipped that part.

partinobodycular · 2024-07-26T23:56:07-0500

Neogaia777 said:
And again, I'd like to remind you that we have so very many of them recorded in the NT with Jesus and the Apostles that it's highly unlikely to the point of being impossible that it was all a lie, or was all just a bunch of lies, or was just a complete and total fabrication or deception, or was all just made up, etc.

I wouldn't call them lies, I'd call them stories that got embellished over time, as legends and myths are wont to do. Especially when they've been collected, edited, and promoted by a church who's entire existence depends upon people's belief in the divinity of their supposed prophet. But yes, I believe that every single one of the miracle stories are untrue. Not outright lies, just historically inaccurate. As are 90% of the martyrdom stories.

Absolutely one of the worst defenses of the miracle stories is that since there are so many, certainly some of them must be true. Nope, if people are willing to accept one erroneous story, then they're willing to accept a hundred. That's how we get conspiracy theories and boxes of fraudulent ballots. As they say, a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its shoes on.

But you're right, those kind of delusions don't come from nowhere, they come from the minds of people.

And just for the record... are you willing to admit that God may not exist?

mark46 · 2024-07-26T23:54:28-0500

I'm not sure why someone needs to be picked until the convention. The pick will be made before August 7th.

In any case, she has 3 good choices: Shapiro, Kelly and Cooper.

Obviously, Kamala needs PA. IMO, Shapiro and Federman should be able to deliver the state without making Shapiro VP.
Kelly and Cooper could help win their states, both states critical to Trump.

Unless she is really worried about PA, she has much more to gain with Kelly. His bio and background are impressive. Also, gun safety legislation could become an issue without Kamala spending much time discussing it. It would be interesting to see Vance and Kelly discuss their military records. Also, Kelly helps with regard to border issues.

Vambram · 2024-07-26T23:52:20-0500

The Barbarian said:
As I said, it wasn't only stupid and morally depraved people who did it. They were just the leaders.

I see that you bought into the narrative about Matt Gaetz.

mark46 · 2024-07-26T23:46:16-0500

Kamala just needs them to do some campaigning in PA and NC.

Jeffrey Bowden · 2024-07-26T23:43:56-0500

keras said:
We know who and where to tribes of Judah and Benjamin, plus some of Levi, are now.
But where and who are the millions of the 10 Northern tribes?

I will inform you: They are the Christian peoples, scattered among the nations; soon to be gathered as many Prophesies say and when we arrive in the holy Land, we will all be assigned to a tribe according to our individual characteristics. Isaiah 11:11-12

You can't refute that no believers are on Earth during the 6th seal, though "everyone" is present for the 6th seal, and all behave as unbelievers would only behave.

You can't refute the words of Jesus that we believers will be kept from the Trib. We will not enter the Trib. We will not be on Earth during the Trib.

You can't refute the words of Apostle John in Rev 22:8 that prove he was shown EVERYTHING he heard and saw to learn Rev, by the angel sent to show him those things.

You can't refute that Rev 4:1 is wholly in the future and is therefore the pre-Trib rapture of the Church, straight to Heaven.

Vambram · 2024-07-26T23:42:33-0500

The Book of Enoch has never been demonstrated to have been inspired by the Lord God. To the best of my knowledge, the Book of Enoch is not referred to anywhere within the Old Testament or the New Testament with only one exception which is Jude 1:14-15

boughtwithaprice · 2024-07-26T23:39:43-0500

The Liturgist said:
Not exactly a great source of theological wisdom, movies.

The Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other doctrinal documents specific to your denomination are far more reliable in almost any case I can think of.

Movies are an illustration. Nefarious was reviewed by exorcists and found to be a reasonable portrayal of what a demon would say and has said

There are comical movies such as the original exorcist from 1973 and The Popes exorcist of recent memory. They were over dramatized and sensationalized for dramatic effect.
Nefarious as a movie was well done. The concepts presented are not less true because they appear on film rather than a book

Another good representation of actual exorcisms is Malachi Martin’s book Hostage to the Devil. Very well presented

A2SG · 2024-07-26T23:39:36-0500

probinson said:
Is holding a gun to someone's head the only way that you think someone can be "forced"?

It was a metaphor.

Neither of us were there for the private conversations with the President, so we can't speak to what actually happened. From what I've heard, I don't think Biden was coerced against his will, I think he simply needed to be convinced or encouraged to step aside. I don't believe the decision was forced on him against his wishes.

You are, of course, free to believe otherwise. What would the internet be without a bunch of randos spouting opinions about stuff they have no direct knowledge of?

-- A2SG, myself included....

Pommer · 2024-07-26T23:29:36-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
You might have that poster on ignore.

Ignorance is bliss in that regard, yea.

AV1611VET · 2024-07-26T23:27:35-0500

keras said:
No, I am an independent and fairly lonely thinker, whose beliefs do not include wild theories such as a rapture to heaven and the crackpot idea we are in the Millennium now.
The sequence of Revelation as given, with the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, culminating in the glorious return, is inviolate. We have been since the 1st Century; at the Fifth Seal and are now very close to the Day when the Lord will reset our civilization to a similar extent as He did in the days of Noah.

Are you a Jew?

The reason I ask is because Revelation 4-19 deals with the Jews, not the Church.

Here is where the Rapture takes place:

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

That "Come up hither!" will be the shout of ...

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Vambram · 2024-07-26T23:20:11-0500

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Bring your tired
And bring your shame
Bring your guilt
And bring your pain
Don't you know that's not your name
You will always be much more to me
Every day I wrestle with the voices
That keep telling me I'm not right
But that's alright

'Cause I hear a voice and He calls me redeemed
When others say I'll never be enough
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world
In the world
In the world
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world

Bring your doubts
And bring your fears
Bring your hurt
And bring your tears
There'll be no condemnation here
You are holy, righteous and redeemed
Every time I fall
There'll be those who will call me
A mistake
Well that's okay

'Cause I hear a voice and He calls me redeemed
When others say I'll never be enough
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world
In the world
In the world
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world

There'll be days I lose the battle
Grace says that it doesn't matter
'Cause the cross already won the war
He's Greater, He's Greater
I am learning to run freely
Understanding just how He sees me
And it makes me love Him more and more
He's Greater, He's Greater

There'll be days I lose the battle
Grace says that it doesn't matter
'Cause the cross already won the war
He's Greater, He's Greater
I am learning to run freely
Understanding just how He sees me
And it makes me love Him more and more
He's Greater, He's Greater

'Cause I hear a voice and He calls me redeemed
When others say I'll never be enough
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world
In the world
In the world
And greater is the One living inside of me
Than he who is living in the world

There'll be days I lose the battle
Grace says that it doesn't matter
'Cause the cross already won the war
He's Greater, He's Greater
I am learning to run freely
Understanding just how He sees me
And it makes me love Him more and more
My God is greater
Than he who is living in the world

Lady Bug · 2024-07-26T23:18:28-0500

I don't want to be too harsh but I can give one possible explanation for why many women are childless with cats, but it would offend most men so I will hold off for now.

okay · 2024-07-26T23:13:41-0500

Is identifying as a ‘cultural Christian’ just a kind of virtue-signaling to the portion of the conservative political movement that thinks the country should be ‘Christian’? Or is it something else?

A2SG · 2024-07-26T23:04:54-0500

probinson said:
And again, I wonder how many politicians have ever uttered the phrase "fight like hell". I suspect the answer is >0. Do you think that all politicians that say "fight like hell" are inciting physical violence?

No, but I also suspect far less of the politicians who use the phrase see a riot directly ensue, specifically the storming of the capitol.

probinson said:
You must be joking. There was indeed a "constant barrage" of people saying the election was stolen, and that Trump was an "illegitimate President", including from the candidate that lost. Here it is again in case you missed it the first time.

Please pay attention to what I said: "What didn't happen was a constant barrage, from the President of the United States directly, that the election was stolen."

People say stuff all the time...but when the President says it, that makes a significant difference.

probinson said:
True. There is not a single shred of evidence that Trump "stole" the election in 2016, but that didn't stop the losing candidate and all of her standard bearers from repeating the accusation over and over (and over and over) again.

True enough. But, how many of those people gave a speech practically in front of the White House that sparked a riot where people stormed the capitol and, among other things, threatened to hang the Vice President of the United States? I'm guessing not many.

probinson said:
Not nearly as many as you're suggesting.

Downplaying or ignoring the significant differences doesn't make them go away.

-- A2SG, realilty's like that....

childeye 2 · 2024-07-26T23:04:08-0500

Zenos777 said:
Do we really have free will? Or do we really have free choice?

Free will is defined as having the ability to make choices, on our own, without any outside influences, including divine. Free choice is the ability to choose a choice that has been presented to you. Such as "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you this day I have set before you life and death, choose life, that both you and your seed may live. (Duet. 30:19)

I don't think the law is going to be a good example for showing a free will. If God told you to do these laws or die wouldn't that qualify as an outside or divine influence?

Michie · 2024-07-26T23:02:52-0500

RileyG said:
I hope she’s not nominated, and if she’s nominated, I hope she loses.

Oh believe me, she is nominated. Just not formally.

essentialsaltes · 2024-07-26T23:02:18-0500

RoBo1988 said:
"Let me write the songs of the world; and I'll care not who writes its laws"

An excellent motto to combat the morons like Tucker Carlson that I'm arguing against with my sarcasm.

Pommer · 2024-07-26T23:02:16-0500

OnePlanPeopleDestiny said:
Wasn't my headline.

But is was your interpretation that “maggots” could have referred to people from a political party that you believe to be in league with the bad guy from the Bible.

Guojing · 2024-07-26T23:00:39-0500

Michie said:
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are not just code words for anonymous and unreliable authors.

Most of us take for granted that the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were in fact written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, respectively. In times past, this would have been the obvious assumption, and questioning this assumption would have been seen as an absurd waste of time.

However, no assumption is safe today, and the identity of the authors of the Gospels is now hotly debated by some scholars.

So let’s take a look at this question. Who did write the Gospels? And why does it matter?

Briefly, we should begin by setting the parameters of the question. When talking about who wrote the Gospels, we should clarify whichgospels we are talking about. There are only four canonical Gospels, those purported to be written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are considered authentically part of the New Testament by all Christians the world over. There are a great number of so-called “gospels.” Among others, there are the “Gospel of Judas,” the “Gospel of Mary,” the “Gospel of Thomas,” the “Gospel of Philip,” the Protoevangelium of James, and many more.

These are all recognized as having been written a century or more after the death of Jesus, sometimes several centuries later, and not attributable to those closest disciples of Our Lord, or even to their disciples. While these facts in and of themselves do not mean that they are unreliable historical records, we know that the authors were not divinely inspired, as the Church has discerned and declared the canon of Sacred Scripture, and the canon is closed. Scripture is public revelation from God, and such public revelation ceased with the death of the last apostle (see Dei Verbum 4, CCC 66-67, 73). So these so-called “gospels,” though they may be historically interesting documents, are not part of that canon. The authorship of those documents is not at issue here.

Continued below.

Who Really Wrote the Gospels?

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are not just code words for anonymous and unreliable authors of the Gospels. They were real people, divinely inspired.

www.catholic.com

There is good evidence that the gospel of John was actually written by Lazarus.

GodDoesListen55 · 2024-07-26T23:00:03-0500

Chattanooga.

Michie · 2024-07-26T23:00:02-0500

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

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