Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

[Chesterton]

You believe in Trump and have chosen to support him. If he isn’t addressing a fallout why would you be concerned? It doesn’t matter what I know. I don’t have a pressing desire to save his supporters from themselves. And given the policies they’ve okayed that transgress the Lord’s teachings on the poor, widows, and orphans. Why should wickedness be reprieved?

Why can't you at least just answer the question of what kind of fallout you're talking about?

 

[Larniavc]

What are your feelings on hot dogs?

Is that something you're forced by law to do, or are you just being a faithful comrade?

If someone said “I put a brick through my (slur) neighbour’s window” or “I hired someone to kill my brother” or “I diddle kids” what do YOU think I should do?

Keep quiet?

 

[Chesterton]

If someone said “I put a brick through my (slur) neighbour’s window” or “I hired someone to kill my brother” or “I diddle kids” what do YOU think I should do?

Keep quiet?

Well you said this within the context of your post #154. I assumed you were talking about much milder things, since you mentioned things you yourself would only say around friends. I assume you don't admit to serious felonies you've committed even to friends. What are you, a psychiatrist for the violently deranged? lol

 

[NxNW]

One truck. One 71 year old man. No known political affiliation, and no known participation at the capitol.

No, the Oath Keepers had an arsenal at the ready, which they called "2A gear", like it was a secret code for morons.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You believe in Trump and have chosen to support him.

What on earth do you mean by "believe in" Trump?

I "believe" in Christ.

I know based on physical evidence that there is a physical human being named Donald Trump and he ran a political campaign in 2024 and won his bid for the presidency.

I, like 1/2 of voting Americans chose to vote for Donald Trump, because they believed that his proposed policy platform was a positive direction for the country.

If he isn’t addressing a fallout why would you be concerned? It doesn’t matter what I know. I don’t have a pressing desire to save his supporters from themselves. And given the policies they’ve okayed that transgress the Lord’s teachings on the poor, widows, and orphans. Why should wickedness be reprieved?

~bella

No republican is transgressing against the poor and widows. That's a ridiculous accusation that is without any merit whatever.

Its the Democrats over there making Americans suffer intentionally because they think it's good political leverage.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

On that issue, yes. But you didn't stop at what she did at this protest instead you assumed something about her behavior 3-5 years ago, that was what I am doubtful about. And you seemed to argue that point on the grounds that she was at a anti-ICE protest, but she wasn't at a anti-ICE protest. "Worst president ever", is a position a centrist can have: and it is not anti-ICE.

They probably have a view on the questions that are expressed at the rally, yes. However you argued that she celebrated doxxing and firing political opponents, that was not supported by the sign she carried.

https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-75-dont-trust-social-media-make-fair-content-moderation-decisions-60-want-more

a large majority of Democrats (70%) support disciplining employees for their posts, whereas a majority of both independents (54%) and Republicans (68%) say employees should not face repercussions at work.

Even WaPo did a piece about it becoming a growing trend among left-leaning activists back in 2015

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/doxing-far-right-violent-extremists/2021/06/20/35f730e2-ba68-11eb-a5fe-bb49dc89a248_story.html

We can make some educated inferences based on other types of polling questions that have been asked & answered.

 

[Postvieww]

Which rallies were bought and paid for, and who did the paying?

Please provide proof of monetary transfers.

As soon as the checks clear and I can log into their account I’ll send you a copy of the bank statements. NOT! Use your common sense. Do you think these protestors are paying for the printed signs, and supplies sometimes seen on pallets on sidewalks? Some protesters seen at multiple protests all paying exspenses themselves??? Really this is not rocket science, you should ask Soros how much he spends on these protests.

 

[BCP1928]

As soon as the checks clear and I can log into their account I’ll send you a copy of the bank statements. NOT! Use your common sense. Do you think these protestors are paying for the printed signs, and supplies sometimes seen on pallets on sidewalks? Some protesters seen at multiple protests all paying exspenses themselves??? Really this is not rocket science, you should ask Soros how much he spends on these protests.

That's it? The protesters are either unsupported, unorganized individual actors or they are part of a hierarchical monolithic cabal created by George Soros?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That's it? The protesters are either unsupported, unorganized individual actors or they are part of a hierarchical monolithic cabal created by George Soros?

While I haven't necessarily bought into the Soros conspiracy theories...

Many of these protests aren't quite as "organic" as someone would have others believe.

Some of the larger scale protests of the past decade have been a combination of legitimate "grassroots" and "astroturfing". Or, the "light" version of astroturfing, which is sometimes referred to as "grass-tops" activism -- where it's a cause that's popular, but signage/slogans/etc... is organized by PR professionals.

Perhaps the most noteworthy case is that of the "Women's Marches" that occurred following Trump's first election.

They didn't even try to hide the fact that it was organized by professional activists rather than organic.

The Women of the Women's March: Meet the Activists Who Are Planning One of the Largest Demonstrations in American History

In nine weeks, the national co-chairs of the Women's March on Washington and their tireless committee of organizers have brought together the single largest demonstration to take place on inauguration weekend. But Saturday is just the beginning.

www.wmagazine.com

And the organizers even paid for charter busses to get more attendees to the event

This 'Uber of buses' startup left some Women's March protesters stranded

Rally Bus was set to transport 50,000 people to the march in DC on January 21, but the company experienced a few hiccups.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Landon Caeli]

But again, what does that have to do with what I said?

The ignore feature is very useful. Just sayin'

 

[Landon Caeli]

Honestly, there's not much value in pursuing conversation anymore...

It's been over a year since I've gained any kind of useful insight, when before, it all the time.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I guess I'm done.

 

[Bradskii]

All other factors aside, it's a lot safer to blow up a boat in open sea than to blow up a truck on the highway. More chances of mistaking the wrong vehicle for the target as well.with trucks

So if you were certain it was the right truck and no-one else was going to be hurt then it's OK?

Just...what?

No, it's not ok at all. You can't simply blow people up on the suspicion that they are smuggling drugs. You can't do it if you know they are doing it.

How can you even suggest that it's acceptable? I mean, where does it end? How many can Trump kill? How much drugs does it take to justify it?

 

[BCP1928]

While I haven't necessarily bought into the Soros conspiracy theories...

Many of these protests aren't quite as "organic" as someone would have others believe.

Some of the larger scale protests of the past decade have been a combination of legitimate "grassroots" and "astroturfing". Or, the "light" version of astroturfing, which is sometimes referred to as "grass-tops" activism -- where it's a cause that's popular, but signage/slogans/etc... is organized by PR professionals.

Perhaps the most noteworthy case is that of the "Women's Marches" that occurred following Trump's first election.

They didn't even try to hide the fact that it was organized by professional activists rather than organic.

The Women of the Women's March: Meet the Activists Who Are Planning One of the Largest Demonstrations in American History

In nine weeks, the national co-chairs of the Women's March on Washington and their tireless committee of organizers have brought together the single largest demonstration to take place on inauguration weekend. But Saturday is just the beginning.

www.wmagazine.com

And the organizers even paid for charter busses to get more attendees to the event

This 'Uber of buses' startup left some Women's March protesters stranded

Rally Bus was set to transport 50,000 people to the march in DC on January 21, but the company experienced a few hiccups.

www.businessinsider.com

I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make here. Perhaps you could address it specifically with respect for the "No KIngs" event last week. Yes there will be individuals (like me) who just show up, There will also be organized groups whose members feel strongly about the issue and show up as a group. Overall, the demonstration was initiated by a loose coalition of progressive organizations like Move ON, the ACLU, etc.

Do you see this as a problem?

 

[Bradskii]

You are right we in the private sector do not know the details the military knew nor do we need to know. I am sure the American military has the ability to discern whether or not drugs were on board without reporting to you or I.

So you'd think they could blow up a truck as well?

 

[Postvieww]

That's it? The protesters are either unsupported, unorganized individual actors or they are part of a hierarchical monolithic cabal created by George Soros?

Use a little discernment here.

 

[BCP1928]

Use a little discernment here.

So what is the problem? Why it is an issue that some of the costs of the protest may have come from George Soros?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make here. Perhaps you could address it specifically with respect for the "No KIngs" event last week. Yes there will be individuals (like me) who just show up, There will also be organized groups whose members feel strongly about the issue and show up as a group. Overall, the demonstration was initiated by a loose coalition of progressive organizations like Move ON, the ACLU, etc.

Do you see this as a problem?

In the context of our current culture, which is "activists in search of a cause", where many will get on board with anything in the name of "activism for activism's sake", yes, it's a bit of a problem.

Primarily, because it can distort perceptions about how popular or unpopular an idea actually is, and that perception of popularity level can cause people to hide their true opinions (out of fear of consequences), or adopt opinions that aren't actually their own (thinking that there will be self-serving benefits and adulation associated with doing so)

Both of which can distort the organic political process.

As we've seen over the past few years...
There are positions that people were afraid to express, because based on accounts of protest sizes (in the names of certain causes) via the crowd counting consortium, social media boosting, and mainstream media reporting, they thought they were the fringe minority and felt they needed to keep their mouth shut (or pretend to hold the other position), else face social consequences.

When, as it turns out, their true organic position would've put them on the winning side of 80/20 issues if everyone else was more candid about their true positions rather than being a slave to perceptions and what "they think the answer others want to hear" was.

"Group think" is a powerful force... manufactured group think is even more sketchy because you end up with a bunch of people who are in the 80%, being falsely led to believe they're in the 20%, and causing them to modulate their speech and behavior.

So you end up with a bunch of people holding mainstream majority opinions, tiptoeing around on eggshells because they've been made to believe that their view is the fringe.

There are books delving into the subject of "The Tyranny of the Minority" (and no, that's not referring to "minority" in a demographic sense, it's referring to how people who hold a minority viewpoint can convince everyone else that everyone actually agrees with them using bully tactics, and disagreeing them will make one an "outsider"...and that's the fear mechanism used to get others to "fall in line")

 

[Chesterton]

No, the Oath Keepers had an arsenal at the ready, which they called "2A gear", like it was a secret code for morons.

"At the ready"? In a hotel room in Virginia?

I normally don't ask people to do my homework, but I figured that since this insurekshun was the most horrific event in American history, worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined, I should be able to find some photos or videos of this arsenal, since there were very legal legal proceedings of course. But I couldn't. Could you find some for me?

 

[Chesterton]

No republican is transgressing against the poor and widows. That's a ridiculous accusation that is without any merit whatever.

Yes. Year after year, on average, conservatives give approximately 30% more to charity than liberals do.