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About Jesus being the only way?

No matter how one wishes to cut it, or how we state the matter, without good fruit that results from our continuing connection to the Vine, there’s no salvation as per John 15. And that includes the overcoming of sin. So, for example:

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of Godare the children of God. Rom 8:12-14
Truly just judgement might not be as simple as you're trying to make it out to be, and anybody with a half a brain/reasoning mind should already be able to know/fully discern that already, etc.

You may think it's always about others always trying to justify their inability to stop sinning 100% completely, or perfectly, but it isn't always, etc, and most certainly is not in my own case specifically, but is only about truly just judgement only, etc.

And in any truly just judgement, there are a lot (and many) factors that always need to be fully considered/factored in that are always beyond human knowledge/knowing, etc.

My conclusion is that there might be some things that God will hold against us or might hold us accountable for maybe, but also that He cannot judge us all by the standard of 100% absolute perfection either probably, etc, and that truly just judgement is always somewhere in-between each individually, or for every individual being, and that might not seem completely equal or fair or right or just to a lot of us initially, or at the start maybe, but that God at the judgement will show to us all 100% perfectly/completely, and until then we can't fully know it yet 100% fully/completely, or even anywhere close to that probably, is what I believe, etc.

God Bless.
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

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Demolition crews have begun tearing down part of the White House to build President Donald Trump’s long-desired ballroom despite his pledge that construction of the $250 million addition wouldn’t “interfere” with the existing building.

Construction teams Monday were demolishing a portion of the East Wing, with a backhoe ripping through the structure, according to a photo shared with The Washington Post and two people who witnessed the activity and spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it.

“It won’t interfere with the current building. It won’t be. It’ll be near it but not touching it — and pays total respect to the existing building, which I’m the biggest fan of," Trump said during an executive order signing in July.
I mean yeah; Trump is crass and gaudy but this is simply another indicator of how much an amusement park America has become.
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!!

This short work supports the universe was Created by God. The Hubble Constant, Ho, (universe expansion) is central to Creation.
The equations here are HATED by secular science, BECAUSE they support that God Created the universe and the maths framework that controls it:-


My name is David Hine, and here is an interesting Hubble Constant equation that "fixes" Ho to local light speed, C.

Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-


2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........


Astronomers measuring Ho give the "ballpark" values of Ho, and now we have an Ho equation that "fixes" Ho to
local light speed, C, which has to be much more precise.

Note:- In the numerator, distance (Mpc) is multiplied by speed (k/s), and that is NOT an error in this situation, as the "distance squared" does not affect the numerical value of the Ho redshift by
"spreading out" (as any light source does) when viewing that redshift for Ho along just
one dimension only.

The dimensionless denominator Pi^21 sets the scales of this Ho equation correctly into the Dynamic Aether framework.
The Dynamic Aether Framework is not the static aether that the Michleson-Morley experiment could not detect, but
the Dynamic Aether that Faraday knew caused electrical "reluctance", and that Maxwell used as the basis for his
electric and magnetic "inertia" constants, and used in his Aether equations to calculate light speed. C..


With very kind regards, David Hine.

Email:- dhine2999@yahoo.com

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Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.



oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.



Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring
light years as years only.



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The "Hubble Tension Issue"

Note:- In the "Dynamic Aether Framework" of the Ho calculating equation in which Ho is "fixed" numerically to C,
the "Hubble Tension issue" is caused by the "DISTANT LOCAL VALUE" of C in the observed space regions being
directly affected by the presence of huge galaxies, black holes. or void areas, RELATIVE to the observer.


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My shoe fits my foot! Godidit!
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Who then can be saved?

The Bible is clear as to how we are saved:

Peter 3:20-21 who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. RSVCE
I don't know which Bible you study, but my Bible doesn't say any such thing. It actually confirms that "we are saved by grace" that's very different I know, so we will have to disagree
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Matthew 1:21 - He will save His people

The Greek text reads: αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν.

The emphatic αὐτὸς ("he himself") and the future indicative σώσει ("will save") describe a certain, effectual act: He will save, not He will try to save, or offer salvation. This is a declarative promise: Jesus will accomplish this on behalf of "His people." The phrase τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ("his people") is possessive and definite.

Who exactly are His people? If it means all humanity, then why isn't all humanity saved? But if it refers to the elect, then the angel's promise stands precisely fulfilled.

How do you interpret τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ?
I would say that "His people" refers to those elsewhere called His sheep, those whom the Father draws, from all nations.
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

Hi. You must look at the attachments to see how these maths are done. Do not use the "SI" maths system, otherwise you will create confusion errors with the units This is a common trap. Follow the method exactly used as shown in the 2 attatchments. Then study why the maths has to be done that way. It's the old system, and is compatible with the way God does maths. The age of the universe is unknown. Blessings, David Hine
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Who then can be saved?

Congratulations you quoted 1 Corinthians 2:14-16 now read the next 5 statements Paul said and learn why he said that.

“But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬-‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He isn’t finished here, continue reading.

“And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now you tell me are these Corinthians spiritually appraised? Are they understanding the things of the Spirit according to what Paul just said here? Are these people believers in Christ?
As far as Paul could tell, they are true believers. But Paul knew that some may be false converts. Only God and the false convert know who they are, nobody else can know for sure.

Fresh converts still retrain much of their carnal nature, nobody attains sinless perfection in this life. God does the work of transformation and sanctification, He changes our nature so we become more Christlike as we grow as Christians.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Israel have ignored the UN's rulings for over half a century
Good, the UN is an anti-semetic organization.
bombed the entire area indiscriminately
Didn't happen
demolished buildings while combat was actually occurring elsewhere
If they did it was to take out Hamas. You know Hamas had tunnels and houses everywhere right? Not just where the fighting was happening at the moment?
PM and others in government OPENLY saying the 'quiet bits out loud' in declaring they would NEVER let a Palestinian state exist!
They never said that.
Ended up with 'collateral damage' about FOUR TO FIVE TIMES the number of militants killed!
Thats if you believe Hamas propaganda.

You know who was hiding and fighting from behind civilians? Hamas.

You know who was deliberately targeting civilians so they could not get away? Hamas

You know who was stealing the food from the civilians that the UN was trying to deliver without Isreali help? Hamas.

You know who fault this war was? Hamas.

The UN is as corrupt as tge day us long. Their ICJ is their top court and Unrwa is also a UN run organization. All of its a cc cesspool of corruption and anti-semetism.
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B flat B♭

It doesn't matter how high you go the horizon will always be at eye level. This has been proved.
Your response is complete denial of the evidence. All observations prove you wrong but you still repeat your mantra.

Please show where you claim it has been proved? What instruments were used to determine eye level?
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Who then can be saved?

Ok so you think that 1 John 2:19 is saying that anyone who turns away was never a true believer? Because that’s not what is actually written in that passage and that interpretation directly contradicts James 5:19-20. So first of all John is talking about a specific group of people. “They went out from us” not “if anyone went out from us”. In that passage John is talking about a specific group of people who left the church. So let’s compare this to James 5:19-20.

“My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Here James is talking about a true believer who strays from the truth of the gospel and says that his soul is in danger of death unless he is turned BACK. The key indicator that this person is a true believer is the phrase “and one turns him BACK”. If this person wasn’t a true believer to begin with he would have nothing to turn back to that would save his soul from death. Only a backslidden true believer can turn back and be saved. Now if what you’re saying is true and a true believer can’t lose their salvation then this person’s soul could never be in danger of death in the first place just like those who fail to abide in Christ in John 15:6. In fact John 15:6 would be describing an impossible scenario if it is impossible for someone to fail to remain in Christ to the point of being cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned since according to Calvinists no one can come to Christ unless The Father draws them. You don’t recognize that the means by which we are drawn to Christ has changed after His crucifixion according to John 12:32.

“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.””
‭‭John‬ ‭12‬:‭32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

In John 6:44 Jesus was talking about how people were drawn to Him at that time. In John 12:32 Jesus is talking about how people will be drawn to Him after His crucifixion. There’s a definite change in the way that we are drawn to Christ after His crucifixion and it’s thru the gospel which is why the very last words He spoke to His apostles before ascending into heaven were….

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is His plan for how He draws all men to Himself after He is raised up.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Notice that the gospel is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, not for those who are allowed or chosen to believe.
The problem with your theology, is that it's not supported by any scripture at all.

Where does the Bible say that believers know who Gods Elect are, answer Nowhere.... So how do you suppose the Disciples knew who they were preaching the gospel to. Answer they never knew who the true believers were and who the Judas Iscariots were.

This is why Jesus said, go therefore and make disciples of all nations". They simply preached the gospel and Gods elect responded with the faith God gave them and believed it, while the unbelievers rejected it.
Some professed faith, but fell away because their profession was fake.

The point you fail to understand is that, it's, impossible for anyone to believe the gospel and be saved, unless God posses you and takes over your body and soul, before hand. Otherwise the gospel is foolish trash
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

That's nice, but that's not what you were arguing about. The current exemptions on the estate tax leave more than enough for any one heir to be set for life without paying a penny. If you're hitting the estate tax, you're either leaving behind a business with a fair amount of assets or you're leaving wealth that would put you in the top 1-2% of Americans.

Another principle you find in the Bible is to render unto ceasar what's ceasar's.
Thats inly if Ceaser demands it. In the country we get to vote for our ceaser representatives and let our desires be known. And many of us don't think ceaser deserves more money from us. No matter how much we make.
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Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

Just to clarify, I am a subscriber to the pre Adamic creation theory. I expect you know what that is, but for anyone else: The word "was" can readily be translated "became". So some, including me, believe that the creation in Genesis was a restoration of what was destroyed by a universal flood. That flood was the judgement that was the consequence of Satan's fall from heaven.

"For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:18

So it seems to some that God did not create the earth covered in water. A water covered earth is not what I would call habitable.

Larry Ollison goes into this in some depth. Watchman Nee and others also were proponents.
Thanks for explaining that. The only pre-Adamic creation I believe in is the creation of the heavens and the earth, plant life, animals, fish, birds, sun, moon and stars, which were all created before Adam, as Genesis says. The bible refers to Adam as the first man:

“And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1Co 15:45 NKJV)

So I don't believe there were humans created before Adam.
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Supreme God

John 14:6 KJV
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and raised from the dead after 3 days being Supreme God to all.
Sorry Reginald, but what does: " after 3 days being Supreme God to all." mean? Jesus Christ is eternally God, according to John 1:1-3. He didn't just become supreme God for the three days between the crucifixion and the resurrection.
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The Reality of Free Will

God knew what was in Eve's heart, before she went near the tree.
What makes you think that?
To think About...
Why did Eve not tell Adam anything, if she did not want to act on her own desires?
This makes no sense. The serpent's words created the desire. Who said she didn't want to act on them?
Adam was her head... was he not? If she is so innocent, why is she not submissive to her head, but listens to a serpent who tells her to disobey something that her husband told her, or that God repeated in their presence?
I like this question. First off innocence means ignorance of the knowledge of good/evil. So until she eats, she is ignorant of that knowledge.

Why is she not submissive to her Adam? We don't know. My personal opinion is that Adam told her what God had told him and that's why we suddenly see her saying she's not supposed to even touch it lest they die. God never said that to Adam. Maybe she touched it and nothing happened, so she began to wonder if Adam knew what he was talking about. We can't be sure. But we can be sure that the serpent talked as if he knew God and gods better than they did.
Questions we can ask ourselves, lest we forget that unless we have all the facts, forming opinions can lead to wrong conclusions.
The serpent did not give Eve life. She came from Adam's rib, and Adam knew this, and no doubt, like we would, told her about this and the other magnificent things her maker did.
Why did she disobey God - her creator (not a serpent), if she did not want to?
We've all done it, why did we do that? I didn't want to disobey God, but I did. We're going to be judged by what measure we judge others, so we'd better start forgiving and showing mercy and understanding instead of accusing and incriminating.

I asked the Holy Spirit about that. He said that everyone comes to sincerely regret bad things they do once they see the suffering they caused others. A true repentance is a godly sorrow that sees that had they known then what they do now, they would not have done it in the first place.

I'd bet God sees some people who are sorry they got kicked out of paradise, and some people are sorry they ever hurt God by not believing Him.
He caused her...? Do you mean, as in, "The Devil made me do it"?
I mean the devil began the chain of events.
You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice in the matter, and could not exercise her freedom of choice... she had none.
Is that what you are saying?
The scripture is saying she was deceived into doing it. You know that don't you? It's not like she would volunteer to be deceived. Did you know that Jesus came down to destroy the works of the devil?
Are you saying the knowledge of good and evil was in the fruit, and when they ate it, that knowledge gave them an ability?
I'm saying that's what I see scripture is saying.
So, when God said, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
You are saying Adam did not have a choice to eat from all the other trees instead of that one God commanded him not to. Is that correct?
That's not what I'm saying. Here is what I want you to get in vold

childeye 2 said:
Let me say it this way: The Satan is the one that conveyed we have the choice/option to disobey God and not die. The Satan conveyed we could choose to eat. The Satan conveyed that God was lying to mankind.

Therefore --> I don't believe the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom because it's based on a corrupt image of god.
Cool.
That sounds like something I can agree with.
In other words, Satan introduce the idea of independence from God...
Yes, exactly. But not only that. He planted a false image of God that is a tyrant Boss, in the psyche. A self-serving Boss who would sacrifice all those beneath him to preserve his status over them.

It's all in this one line --> And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

That's why the Christ Image comes as a lowly servant who sacrifices himself to save all others; to destroy the false image planted by Satan. And this is the power of revelation in the Gospel. The god of this world is Satan's false image of God, and his children are sired through that false image.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Could Eve had decided otherwise?
No, she didn't see through the lie, just like people still don't.
"the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom"?
Could you please rephrase that. I'm not making sense of it.
Do you mean man is free to disobey God, and so that is freedom?
No, I DON'T BELIEVE the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom --> because it's based on a corrupt image of god that the serpent/the devil corrupted the mind with.
A realization. Thank you.
A realization of what?
A realization that they were naked.
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Who then can be saved?

No I don’t believe that at all because then the requirement is circular and doesn’t make any sense. Jesus calls people to repent and believe in order to be saved yet in your theology people can only comply if God has chosen them and they can’t do otherwise and those whom God has not chosen can’t comply. So why tell people to do something that they both cant comply with and can’t refuse to comply with?
It's OK to admit you don't understand Gods ways, you're in good company I don't understand His ways either.

You do know that God is a mystery, and you will never ever find out why He does what he does or how He does it.

Don't stress over it, God told us that we will never understand Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts

Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

Isaiah 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.
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