God knew what was in Eve's heart, before she went near the tree.
What makes you think that?
To think About...
Why did Eve not tell Adam anything, if she did not want to act on her own desires?
This makes no sense. The serpent's words created the desire. Who said she didn't want to act on them?
Adam was her head... was he not? If she is so innocent, why is she not submissive to her head, but listens to a serpent who tells her to disobey something that her husband told her, or that God repeated in their presence?
I like this question. First off innocence means ignorance of the knowledge of good/evil. So until she eats, she is ignorant of that knowledge.
Why is she not submissive to her Adam? We don't know. My personal opinion is that Adam told her what God had told him and that's why we suddenly see her saying she's not supposed to even touch it lest they die. God never said that to Adam. Maybe she touched it and nothing happened, so she began to wonder if Adam knew what he was talking about. We can't be sure. But we can be sure that the serpent talked as if he knew God and gods better than they did.
Questions we can ask ourselves, lest we forget that unless we have all the facts, forming opinions can lead to wrong conclusions.
The serpent did not give Eve life. She came from Adam's rib, and Adam knew this, and no doubt, like we would, told her about this and the other magnificent things her maker did.
Why did she disobey God - her creator (not a serpent), if she did not want to?
We've all done it, why did we do that? I didn't want to disobey God, but I did. We're going to be judged by what measure we judge others, so we'd better start forgiving and showing mercy and understanding instead of accusing and incriminating.
I asked the Holy Spirit about that. He said that everyone comes to sincerely regret bad things they do once they see the suffering they caused others. A true repentance is a godly sorrow that sees that had they known then what they do now, they would not have done it in the first place.
I'd bet God sees some people who are sorry they got kicked out of paradise, and some people are sorry they ever hurt God by not believing Him.
He caused her...? Do you mean, as in, "The Devil made me do it"?
I mean the devil began the chain of events.
You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice in the matter, and could not exercise her freedom of choice... she had none.
Is that what you are saying?
The scripture is saying she was deceived into doing it. You know that don't you? It's not like she would volunteer to be deceived. Did you know that Jesus came down to destroy the works of the devil?
Are you saying the knowledge of good and evil was in the fruit, and when they ate it, that knowledge gave them an ability?
I'm saying that's what I see scripture is saying.
So, when God said, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
You are saying Adam did not have a choice to eat from all the other trees instead of that one God commanded him not to. Is that correct?
That's not what I'm saying. Here is what I want you to get in vold
childeye 2 said:
Let me say it this way:
The Satan is the one that conveyed we have the choice/option to disobey God and not die. The Satan conveyed we could choose to eat. The
Satan conveyed that God was lying to mankind.
Therefore --> I don't believe the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom because
it's based on a corrupt image of god.
Cool.
That sounds like something I can agree with.
In other words, Satan introduce the idea of independence from God...
Yes, exactly. But not only that. He planted a false image of God that is a tyrant Boss, in the psyche. A self-serving Boss who would sacrifice all those beneath him to preserve his status over them.
It's all in this one line --> And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
That's why the Christ Image comes as a lowly servant who sacrifices himself to save all others; to destroy the false image planted by Satan. And this is the power of revelation in the Gospel.
The god of this world is Satan's false image of God, and his children are sired through that false image.
2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom
the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath
shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Could Eve had decided otherwise?
No, she didn't see through the lie, just like people still don't.
"the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom"?
Could you please rephrase that. I'm not making sense of it.
Do you mean man is free to disobey God, and so that is freedom?
No, I DON'T BELIEVE the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom --> because it's based on a corrupt image of god that the serpent/the devil corrupted the mind with.
A realization. Thank you.
A realization of what?
A realization that they were naked.