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under grace1 · 2026-02-07T07:15:39-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
The Ten Commandments are according to how God wrote them, not man. We are told God's word is to be the light to our path Psa119:105 I am going to stick with that.

Well if you do not understand the letter of that law kills you have problems frankly. No one can or will faultlessly obey that letter, as frankly all should know.
BTW
Psalms is old covenant
Following after the spirit not the law is new covenant and it brings far better results via the fruit of the Spirit

John Bauer · 2026-02-07T07:15:16-0600

Firstlightdawn said:
I don’t know everything about everything, and I don’t need to be insulted for it.

I did not insult you, and I can’t figure out why you felt insulted by my questions that merely sought clarification.

Firstlightdawn said:
I’m doing my best to answer your questions, but I need you to tell me what you actually want to talk about so I don’t waste time on something you’re not interested in.

I did specify what I want to talk about—and clearly, I thought. You said that tohu wa-bohu in verse 2 “is the material origin.” I asked you to explain how. I also reminded you that this expression is used elsewhere in Scripture, and asked if it indicated material origin in those cases, too.

You replied by saying that science has an answer for what the earth in verse 2 was like. Great, but that isn’t what I asked. (That also raised new questions for me, like what it means to say the earth was “not shaped yet”—which you also didn’t answer.)

Firstlightdawn said:
Formless and void simply means …

No, I did not ask you what it means. I asked you for the grammatical referent of “formless and void” in the text. What exactly is being described as tohu wa-bohu?

The text of verse 2 supplies the only answer you can give: “The earth.” And therein lies the rub. The text forces you to admit that this isn’t about material origins. The phrase is describing the condition of a physically existing earth. “God had not yet separated light from darkness,” you rightly observed, “he had not separated the waters above from the waters below, and had not brought out the dry land.” Indeed, but please notice that the earth physically existed—just as it did in Jeremiah 2:43, where the earth is once again described as tohu wa-bohu. The Hebrew phrase in either text is not about material origins.

under grace1 · 2026-02-07T07:09:04-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
If we are breaking the letter of the law we are most certainly not subjecting ourselves through the Spirit.

Thou shalt NOT dwell on any impure thought
Thou shalt NOT desire anything of your neighbours whether material goods or a member of their household
Thou shalt NOT lust/desire anyone except your spouse
Thou shalt NOT tell any even little fibs about another.
Thou shalt NOT disobey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break.

Many sadly just make ''pat statements'' that are neither theirs or anyone elses reality, grew up with it

FireDragon76 · 2026-02-07T07:08:32-0600

rocknanchor said:
Personally, having stepped away from chess for decades, I still consider myself to approach the subject as a novice. My question, in consideration of your post, nothing in the OP touches on that weighty subject of both human and machine depth of being able to eradicate oneself (or itself) from a tide of the opener's initial plays, namely extensive memory of the openings? Many grandmasters have raised the issue of memory vs thought. What am I missing, or is this some other thought than approaching the traditional pastime?

Deep study of opening lines isn't that important until a player gets quite advanced. Some people might learn a few trick openings and get good at them (the Fried Liver Attack, etc.), but memorizing lines at the novice or club level rarely helps you improve beyond a certain point.

Based on what I've studied about chess improvement, the most evidence-based approach is having annotated games of chess masters that you can follow along with and study, and just playing alot of chess against humans (preferably). Even at lower levels, like novice levels, humans can play moves that may be suboptimal in terms of theory, but still cause practical problems.

Tactical chess puzzles are of limited usefulness. Engine analysis, IMO, is stil in its infancy in terms of human alignment, and that's what I'm trying to improve upon.

under grace1 · 2026-02-07T07:04:02-0600

Sadly, many cannot understand a spiritual message, only one the rational mind can comprehend, hence back to old covenant ways

rocknanchor · 2026-02-07T06:59:09-0600

FireDragon76 said:
I made a fork of the GPL licensed Stocfkish chess engine, to explore some ideas I had, drawing inspiration from metaphysical realism, Platonic forms and information theory.

https://www.theoriachess.org/

Because of my paradigm and background being so out of the mainstream (philosophy and theology) in typical chess engine development spaces, my project has met opposition, even personal attacks. I was really naive I guess to think that "collaboration" and "new ideas" wouldn't be welcomed in the Open Source space common to those kinds of communities. But human sinfulness tends to infiltrate all institutions, perhaps even at inception. My project has been criticized simply because I only changed a little bit of code in the source, and used a different conceptual framework for training the engine. The goal is to create a more human-aligned engine for chess game analysis, that can be used to produce analysis that elucidates strategic and positional themes, rather than the dominant paradigm in open-source chess engines, of seeing chess as a purely mathematical optimization problem, with the output a series of superhuman forcing tactics alien to how humans actually play chess. And so far the kind of data I we are generating raises deeper questions I think are worth exploring. My hypothesis, that a conceptually pure approach to chess evaluation networks, trained on the equivalent of hundreds of billions of exploratory playouts, should give a clearer strategic vision of chess than merely calculating strong forcing lines, has been confirmed. And this unsettles some people with entrenched interests in certain communities, because the underlying logic is alien to how they understand what a chess engine should be for.

Personally, having stepped away from chess for decades, I still consider myself to approach the subject as a novice. My question, in consideration of your post, nothing in the OP touches on that weighty subject of both human and machine depth of being able to eradicate oneself (or itself) from a tide of the opener's initial plays, namely extensive memory of the openings? Many grandmasters have raised the issue of memory vs thought. What am I missing, or is this some other thought than approaching the traditional pastime?

wing2000 · 2026-02-07T06:54:26-0600

"sophisticated activities"

What level of sophistication is required to create a database of volunteers and start a Signal group?

[Ask Pete H.]

Pioneer3mm · 2026-02-07T06:53:37-0600

'The redemptive side of chaos as Balochistan unrest rises again.'
Mission Network News
- mnnonline.org
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Balochistan
- 10/40 window

Freth · 2026-02-07T06:50:34-0600

Hentenza said:
The church works in the new covenant not in the old covenant. The problem that you have is showing evidence that the Christian is required to keep the seventh day sabbath in the new covenant. So I’ll leave to providing that evidence.

If God's law is written in the heart (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16), then it didn't go anywhere. This then would include the Sabbath, not negate it, which Jesus verified (Matthew 5:18-19).

under grace1 · 2026-02-07T06:48:42-0600

The believer is called to look away from themselves and to Christ. While you are doing this, you cannot be seeking to wilfully follow after the flesh, it is one or the other. Whilst you are looking to Christ, and trusting him to bring you to live an evermore holy life, via the sanctification of the Spirit, you will transgress the letter of the law for that letter kills(2Cor3:6) But, as long as we are looking to Christ, we will grow in holiness.

The more we look to Christ, and rely on the Spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in our lives(Gal5:22) Against that fruit there is no law(verse23) For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life.

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh Phil3:3

So, you die to looking to the law and striving to obey it to be righteous before God, you are released from the old way, you follow after the Spirit instead. Much better results for:
Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law Rom7:5
For:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

wing2000 · 2026-02-07T06:45:31-0600

essentialsaltes said:
The Justice Department is suing dozens of states for their voter roll data. Just last week, the FBI raided a county elections office in Fulton County, Georgia, seizing hundreds of boxes of election materials in connection with the 2020 election.

"I just want to find 11,780 votes,"

Donald Trump: 'I just want to find 11,780 votes’

US President Donald Trump is heard telling Georgia's top election official to "find" enough votes to overturn the election, in a recording released by The Washington Post.

www.bbc.com

notyourenemy · 2026-02-07T06:38:21-0600

Let me see if I've been keeping up.

He campaigned saying that he would release the files.....

.....and once in office, resisted releasing the files.....

.....claiming that the files were a hoax concocted to attack him.....

.....while also claiming that the files would vindicate him.....

Do I have the jist of things?

Strong in Him · 2026-02-07T06:35:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
It is a war against God.

Rubbish.

Aryeh Jay · 2026-02-07T06:34:45-0600

Vambram said:
The Biden administration was, by far, the very worst in our modern American history.

So Carter is ancient history?

Maria Billingsley · 2026-02-07T06:32:05-0600

dms1972 said:
Here's a thought. Does the path into error always involve a straight line departure from the truth, or can it be more like a spiralling away, circling but gradually growing more and more distant from the circle of orthodoxy?

Depends on one's Spiritual condition.
Repentance is the changing of one's mind. If one never changes their mind and turns away from a particular sin for example the " sin/confess" model, then it is circular, a state of spiritual stagnation or a repetitive cycle of sin and confession without true transformation. In contrast if one truly repents, which is only achievable through the power of His Holy Spirit, then it is a straight line. As Jesus Christ of Nazareth said:
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:13–14

Be blessed.

Tropical Wilds · 2026-02-07T06:30:04-0600

Vambram said:
The Biden administration was, by far, the very worst in our modern American history.

Not bad enough to inspire you, or anybody else, to take to the streets en masse to protest…

wing2000 · 2026-02-07T06:27:32-0600

friend of said:
I heard the Clinton's are going to testify

Make the popcorn...(though I doubt Comer will take on the Clintons in an open hearing).

HRC:
“For six months, we engaged Republicans on the Oversight Committee in good faith,” she wrote online. “We told them what we know, under oath. They ignored all of it. They moved the goalposts and turned accountability into an exercise in distraction.”

“So let’s stop the games,” Hillary Clinton added. “If you want this fight, @RepJamesComer, let’s have it — in public. You love to talk about transparency. There’s nothing more transparent than a public hearing, cameras on. We will be there.”

....in an NBC News interview on Wednesday, Trump seems to have some reservations (with Bill Clinton testifying....now why would that be???)

“It bothers me that somebody’s going after Bill Clinton,” Trump told anchor Tom Llamas on “NBC Nightly News.” “See, I like Bill Clinton. I still like Bill Clinton.”

“I liked his behavior toward me. I thought he got me, he understood me,” he continued. “He was the one who said very famously ‘you don’t want to run against Trump when there were 18 people,’” he continued, referring to the 2016 Republican presidential primary.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5723708-trump-bothered-clinton-investigation-epstein/

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/as-clintons-prepare-to-answer-questions-about-epstein-trump-balksadministration/5723708-trump-bothered-clinton-investigation-epstein/

Tropical Wilds · 2026-02-07T06:27:32-0600

FaithT said:
I think that if Trump wants to lie and blame someone else for this, he should publically call him or her out on it and fire the person. And see where that goes.

I think since this administration cannot hold itself accountable on the big things, doing so on the little things is too much of an ask.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-07T06:26:15-0600

BobRyan said:
Laws don't exist "in the void". They have to be stated. There is no Law in NT or OT that says the gentiles have to be circumcised to be saved or that say that gentiles have to participate Passover or in the Day of Atonement etc.

But I did quote Genesis 17 where foreigners in Abraham’s care had to be circumcised in order to enter into the covenant and anyone who wasn’t circumcised could not enter into His covenant. That to me sounds like a pretty clear example in the Old Testament where someone can’t be saved if they’re not circumcised.

Pioneer3mm · 2026-02-07T06:24:18-0600

"The Church exists by mission, just as a fire exists by burning."
- Emil Brunner
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My favorite quote.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-07T06:22:56-0600

BobRyan said:
Sabbath of the Ten Commandments given to mankind in Eden as Christ points out in Mark 2:27, as we see in Isaiah 56:2-8, Is 66:23 etc

The commandment is in Gen 2:1-3 as even Ex 20:11 points the reader to Gen 2 for the origin of the Sabbath , paraphrasing the Gen 2 statement
"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The above is paraphrase this way in Ex 20:11 " For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (sanctified it)

Gen 1-2 is the record of the event where BOTH mankind and the Sabbath "were made"
Mark 2:27 speaks of the "MAKING" of BOTH the Sabbath and mankind

"Sabbath made for mankind not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2;27

Indeed. So Jesus points to the making of the Sabbath and of mankind, to make His point that He is the LORD of the Sabbath, as the maker of both the Sabbath and mankind.

This was not God the Creator making the claim "I made the Sabbath so I can break it if I wish " but rather His claim is that He knows a bit more about what it means to keep the Sabbath as the maker of it, than the puny man made tradition made up statements of the Jews during second temple Judaism.

Mark 7:7-13 Here He again makes the case that leaders in second temple Judaism was "making up a bunch of stuff" "you do many such things as that"

And as the maker of it, He should know. As the maker of it , He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
No mere human could make that claim

No you have one verse taken out of context of the discussion that was taken place, as well as complete silence on anyone ever observing the sabbath in the first 2300 years after creation, and two passages specifically saying when God gave the sabbath to the Israelites, which you didn’t address. So other than this one statement where Jesus didn’t say exactly who it was given to, all of the evidence points in the opposite direction. And yeah you can say that Jesus said it was made for man but as I pointed out in Genesis 6 the word man doesn’t always mean all of mankind. So the only statement that you claim is evidence to support your claim is inconclusive and all of the other evidence points in the opposite direction.

Strong in Him · 2026-02-07T06:22:11-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know - One of my rare bad moments, what must have I been thinking.

That's the sad bit - that's what you don't understand.
It was NOT "a bad moment".
It was beautiful to hear how moved you were by Charles' testimony. It was courageous of you to say "I think Flat Earth is a load of nonsense", and some of us told you that we admired you for that. We said that we admired your decision to accept the earth is a globe and to ask for God's help if ever you started to doubt it. People who know more about science than I do offered to help you and explain stuff.

Not only have you gone back on your word to God, you've gone back to slandering a lovely Christian - Charles - and throwing the offers of help back in the faces of the people who made them.
You can't even understand that. You are saying that asking for God's help with something was "bad decision."
Apart from becoming a Christian, it was probably the best decision you had ever made. And now you're rubbishing it. :sigh:

7thKeeper · 2026-02-07T06:15:45-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
A parent whose kid was sent to a meat grinder. The list is endless.

Possible suicide attempt. Hey, it's Russia.

wing2000 · 2026-02-07T06:13:54-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
But then again my progressive cousin just posted this on FB 3 days ago

ThatRobGuy said:
So if we're going to be outraged, we need to have a consistent set of standards.

Good to know who you've been debating all this time...that ever present "progressive cousin"!

rocknanchor · 2026-02-07T06:10:50-0600

I'm an Adobe PS (Photoshop) and AI (Adobe Illustrator) free-user (20-plus Year Old Versions) software holder. Still functioning to grind-out whenever I choose to, by old-school and generate from what I consider, a time-honored workflow of my own sideline interest. With the advent of TI (technological integration) for your later, paid-subscriber releases, a whole new world of generating images for lack of a better word, puts to shame some of us of the outdated crowd. That being, older versions that aren't designed to accommodate today's TI. Yet, not entirely. I would suggest your chosen software's fundamental framework is essentially the same. You might ask, what scaled-back options do I have to avail some of TI tools in a limited capacity? For us free-user Photoshoppers (unconfirmed) is as follows,

Gemini - "While Photoshop 7.0.1 cannot run AI tools natively, its support for industry-standard file formats (like JPG, PNG, and PSD) allows you to use Google's tools as an external "AI lab" for your workflow.

Options for Limited Use

Manual External Generation: Use the Google Gemini web app or ImageFX to generate high-resolution images. Download these and open them in Photoshop 7.0.1 for manual compositing, color correction, or masking.
Vertex AI Studio (Web UI): Use Vertex AI Studio (Pay-per-use $0.02 to $0.04 per image) in a browser. It provides a simple user interface to generate, edit, and upscale images. Download the results and use them in the older software.
AI-Enhanced Upscaling: Use Google's Magic Editor or Google Photos AI tools to unblur or enhance a photo before importing it into Photoshop for fine-tuning.
Google Ads Asset Studio: If using Google Ads, use their Image Editor with Google AI to generate and edit background visuals which can then be exported for use in any version of Photoshop.

Workflow for Photoshop 7.0.1

Generate: Create the base image or specific object (e.g., "a 3D golden trophy") in ImageFX.
Export: Download the image as a high-quality PNG or JPG.
Import: In Photoshop 7.0.1, use File > Open to bring the AI-generated asset into your project.
Edit: Use the classic Magnetic Lasso or Magic Wand tools to isolate the AI subject from its background, as modern "one-click" subject selection is not available in your version"

With the glut of things offered today, it is wise to ask if there are financial requirements with any of your provider's options?

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