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Must a proper EO consider OOs to be heterodox?

Must a proper EO consider OOs to be heterodox? Is this required as a proper understanding of Eastern Orthodox theology?


Thank you.
We, Oriental Orthodox, also do not consider Eastern Orthodox to be real Orthodox. At least until unification is achieved.
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The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

James equates love your neighbor with keeping commandments. If you break a commandment you are a transgressor of the law.

James 2:8-11 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Love your neighbor​
  • Do not commit adultery
  • Do not kill
Paul says that love your neighbor is a summation of those (Ten) commandments that pertain to your neighbor. Do not kill. Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not covet.

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love your neighbor​
  • Do not kill
  • Do not steal
  • Do not bear false witness
  • Do not covet
Jesus also equated commandment keeping with love your neighbor.

Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love your neighbor​
  • Honor your father and mother
Love your neighbor is covered here, with all six commandments pertaining to your neighbor; the last six.

John said if you don't love your neighbor how can you love God? He then called for loving God and keeping His commandments.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Love God​
Love your neighbor​
  • Do not take the name of the Lord in vain
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Love God​
Love your neighbor​
  • Keep His commandments
Love God is covered here, with the third commandment pertaining to God. Keep His commandments is all inclusive of the Ten.

Conclusion: Love God, love your neighbor are linked to commandment keeping. Specifically, the Ten.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
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Israel and the New Covenant.

Yes, Jesus is Lord OF the Sabbath, the Creator, not that He morphed into the Sabbath commandment or day i.e. creation. Doesn’t say anything that God changed the Sabbath. He already made His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 , its up to believe them or not
Actually, yes, Jesus fulfilled all of the law including the 4th commandment. It is important to understand what Jesus actually fulfilled. The 4th commandment the same as all other commandments were ritual in nature except that for Israel they were moral. All OT law could not exist without the foundation of the levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:11). The law was given on the basis of the Levitical priesthood. Without the levitical priesthood, there is no law and the entire existence of the levitical priesthood was ritual. They carried out all of the sacrifices and ceremonies demanded by the law, and infractions against the Ten Commandments were dealt with by the priesthood. In fact, they performed or administered all the laws and consequences for moral infractions done by the Israelites. They had to offer the blood sacrifices and perform the oversight over diseases and lead the nation in worship and thanksgiving and administer justice.

The writer of Hebrews continues in chapter 7 to teach what happens after the priesthood is changed. Jesus becoming our high priest changed the priesthood from the levetical priesthood to one of Christ as our priesthood. By necessity then, a change in the law also happens. There is a nullification of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness. (As Paul teaches in Roman’s. 8). The law made nothing perfect.

“For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. For the one about whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses said nothing concerning priests. And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become a priest not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. For it is attested of Him, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.” For, on the one hand, there is the nullification of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, there is the introduction of a better hope, through which we come near to God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7‬:‭12‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So Christ indeed change the 4th commandment. Hebrews 4 is not teaching a Sabbath day but explains in detail that God set a different day because the seventh day brought no one rest Heb 4:1-3). Hebrews 4:9 is not talking about observing a day either. The Greek underlying the “sabbath rest for the people of God” is unique in the New Testament, sabbatismos. No other place in scripture is this word used. It means “a sabbath-like rest”, or “sabbathing”. It means the rest that comes from believing in Christ. It is not speaking of a day in any sense. It is referring to the new covenant fulfillment of the seventh day sabbath which is the “sabbath-like rest” that remains for a specific group of people those being “the people of God”. The people of God are all who believe. These are the ones who have passed from death to life (not a future hope but a present reality) as Jesus said in John 5:24.

The other argument that you make is that the 10 commandments are somehow different from the rest of the law simply because of the placement in the Ark and that one was written by Moses and the other by God. However, there is no such distinction in scripture. Whether God wrote it or Moses wrote it it was the law and Moses wrote it under the inspiration of God. Secondly, the law had a beginning, 430 years after Moses and ended with Christ (Gal 3:17-21). In Luke 2 the fact that they are the same comes to light. Notice that in verse 22 the Law of Moses is quoted for the new born purification but on verse 24, regarding the ritual of the sacrifice, is according to the Law of the Lord. Both of these are rituals and Luke considers both to be without distinction. The Law of Moses is the Law of God.

“And when the days for their purification according to the Law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord: “Every firstborn male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice according to what has been stated in the Law of the Lord: “A pair of turtledoves or two young doves.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭2‬:‭22‬-‭24‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

For some of the fires they “saved” the much needed water that could have mitigated the disaster.
You really must make an effort to stop believing all the lies that you are told.
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Ezra Klein: Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way

The implication of "holding court" is that Kirk considered himself above the students as a King is above his subjects of his royal court, and suggests subjects are inferiors, hangers-on, or sycophants, who feel compelled to support.
I'm glad the term wasn't wasted on you.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

Post #368 summarized what was already demonstrated.
Which did not include a demonstration of error in post #366.
Post #366, following, has not been addressed.

I.The wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23).
Sin is transgression of the law (Ro 4:3).
Where there is no law, there is no transgression/sin (Ro 4:15).
There was no law between Adam and Moses, yet they all died.
Of what sin/trangression did they die? (Ro 5:14).
They died of the imputed sin of Adam to all those of Adam (Ro 5:17, just as righteousness was imputed to Abraham, Ge 15:6, and is imputed to all those of Christ, Ro 5:18-19).

II. The rest of unbelieving mankind dies, in addition, for his own sin/transgression of the law.
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A Woman as Archbishop of Canterbury

Yep, :clap:.
Well of course.
The Church of England is so big it encompasses Anglo-Catholics and low evangelicals. My childhood church was CofE. We had a music group - guitars, woodwind, a violin etc and informal services - and also 1662 communion with a robed choir (and about 6 in the congregation.)
Such a diverse mix sounds great, until there are differences of opinion. "High" Anglican clergy left the CofE as soon as women were ordained.

But just because something has been done a certain way for many years, it does not prove that it is the right thing to do and must never be changed or questioned.
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The Desperate Mullahs of Iran

keras, it is a speculative interpretation of those passages as meaning nuclear missiles. Also that there will be a Coronal Mass Ejection as God's response.

Time will tell. I expect the next big bible event (other than the resurrection/rapture, which could happen at any time) will be the Gog/Magog event.
Douggg, you have very certain and positive beliefs.
I do not consider myself to be 100% correct on what will happen in the end times, but you seem to think that about what you believe. Despite being unable to support a 'resurrection/ rapture' to heaven, of the Church; anywhere in the Bible.

Zechariah 5 must have a meaning, a lesson for us to learn, or has God put fiction and fairy tales in His Book? If so: we are truly lost!
Fortunately: Scripture tells us that after the Lord has cleared and cleansed the Holy Land, Isaiah 42:14-15, He will make those who couldn't hear or see, Isaiah 42:19, to finally understand His plans for the faithful peoples. He will protect them as they pass through the terrifying ordeal of the Sixth Seal destruction and depopulation. Isaiah 43:1-2, Revelation 7:14

Right now, it looks as if; Peace and safety', will be declared soon. THEN;;;;; 1 Thessalonians 5:3
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Great Tribulation and the "Climate" Agenda

If it is part of the great tribulation, then what exactly are we supposed to do about it?

If God ordained it or warns that it is definitely going to happen, we can't stop it, cause it, speed it up, slow it down, etc.

The best anyone can do is hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and aim for something good, which is what everyone should always be doing regardless of what's to come or who's prophecy is correct or incorrect.
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The Dominican and the Jazzman

Thank you for posting this. I didn't know Brubeck composed a Mass. Here is a link to all the parts from his Choral Mass, To Hope.
It's an interesting listen and not what I would have expected considering his secular work.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

The Law, as revealed by God and fulfilled in Christ, serves as a moral compass and pedagogical guide for the Christian faithful. It includes the Mosaic Law, especially the Decalogue, and finds its perfection in the New Law of the Gospel. “The Law has become our tutor unto Christ” (Galatians 3:24), and its enduring moral precepts are reaffirmed by the Church as binding. The Catechism teaches that “the Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel” and “remains necessary for man” as it “denounces and discloses sin” (CCC §1963–1964).

The Ten Commandments, given to Moses on Sinai (Exodus 20:1–17), are “fundamentally immutable” and “engraved by God in the human heart” (CCC §2072). They express the natural law and are reaffirmed by Christ, who deepens their meaning in the Sermon on the Mount (cf. Matthew 5–7). The Commandments are not abolished but fulfilled in charity: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). They are the foundation of Christian moral life, guiding the faithful in their duties toward God and neighbour.

For the Christian in this world, the Law and Commandments are not burdens but paths to freedom and holiness. Grace enables their fulfilment, and the Spirit writes them anew on the heart (cf. Jeremiah 31:33; CCC §1965–1966). The faithful are called to interiorise the Law, living it not merely by external observance but through love: “Love is the fulfilment of the law” (Romans 13:10). Thus, the Commandments remain essential, not as relics of legalism, but as living expressions of divine wisdom and the way of life in Christ.
AND immutable you SAY. !!

And Romans 6:14 says , FOR sin will NOT //. OV. and the Greek word OV , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , which

means. , sin will rule over you for you are NOT. // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , and these means you will

NEVER , UNDER THE LAWWWW EVER RRRR. but UNDER GRACE !!

And there were NO CHRISTAINS under Law until Acts 11;26. where it translated FOLLOWERS. and that is what

the word Christian , means , FOLLOWER. and since we are NOT UNDER THE Law , that. means NO more Priests either !!

dan p
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Illegal Immigration

Not all of them. Many were in fact let in. Don't you remember, for example, the kerfluffle when Border Patrol cut the wire that theTexas authorities had put up?
Razor wire is not what defines our border. Our border is defined geographically.

In any case, according to the law, people who sneak in and claim asylum were legally allowed to remain.
It is unfortunate that the Biden administration imposed this injustice on people who have been waiting for years, by doing things the right way, by going through the legal process.

Those people were put to the back of line while unvetted criminals, the insane, and terrorists, were moved to the front of the line, by breaking in illegally, and lying to officials.

Fortunately, now those criminals are legally being told that they need to get out.
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Do Not Boast, Worry, or Assume

Do Not Boast

“Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring forth.” (Proverbs 27:1 NASB1995)

“Come now, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit.’ Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away. Instead, you ought to say, ‘If the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that.’ (James 4:13-15 NASB1995)

We, as followers of Jesus Christ, should see our lives as under the control of Almighty God who is sovereign over all things. And we should never assume that the next minute, much less the next day, is going to be promised to us. Certainly we have to make plans for the future, but we should always consider and allow for God to do according to his will and his purpose for our lives, which might alter or change entirely what we had in mind.

And yes, we do not know what our lives will be like tomorrow. I certainly did not anticipate what my body has been going through the past couple of weeks, and I have no assurance that I will still be here tomorrow. I have to consider that every day is a gift from God, another day which he allowed me to live on this earth where he has given me the opportunity to share with the people of world what he is teaching me from his word each day.

I have a series of medical tests scheduled for next week, but there are no guarantees that I will live to have the tests done, or that the tests won’t get cancelled because the world is falling apart. Every moment of every day of our lives is in the hands of God, and we just need to pray for God’s will to be done in our lives, and in our circumstances, no matter what may come our way. For he has a plan and a purpose for it all. So we just need to trust him.

Do Not Worry

“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” (Matthew 6:34 NASB1995)

This is so true! And worrying and fretting over our circumstances, or over the “what ifs” of life, is lack of faith in our God, number one, and it only makes us sick, number two, and it never makes anything better, number three. So we just have to put our lives and our circumstances in the hands of the Lord and trust him that he is going to do what is for our best, according to his will and purpose, and not according to our human flesh.

And so it is best not to spend much time at all feeding on the news media and what they are saying is happening or is about to happen, for in the USA the media cannot be trusted to tell us the truth, not that everyone lies to us, but many do. And there is so much deception going on, coming from the mouths of our government heads and via the media, including social media. And so we need to be very discerning people and not gullible or fearful.

For so much of what goes on in our news is just drama, drama, drama. So much is faked and AI generated with lies upon lies upon lies. Even the ones who are partially telling us the truth may also be bating us, or they may be withholding half the truth because they want us to believe them, or they want us to respond so that we go on record as aligning with “so and so” and with “such and such.” So much is deceptive and manipulative these days.

Do Not Assume

“So teach us to number our days, that we may present to You a heart of wisdom.” (Psalm 90:12 NASB1995)
“And working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain— for He says, ‘At the acceptable time I listened to you, and on the day of salvation I helped you.’ Behold, now is ‘the acceptable time,’ behold, now is ‘the day of salvation.’” (2 Corinthians 6:1-2 NASB1995)

Yes, Lord, teach us to number our days that we may present to you a heart of wisdom, humility, submission, surrender, and obedience to you and to your commands. For so many people these days seem to not take into account that we are not promised tomorrow, or even the rest of the day, and so many people are living wicked and immoral lives apart from God and his word in direct and willful disobedience to our Lord and to his commands.

And this goes right along with not receiving the grace of God in vain. And how does that happen? Well, God’s grace is not a free ride to heaven based on a profession of faith only. God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is teaching us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we wait for our Lord’s return. But if sin remains our practice, and not obedience, we don’t have life with God.

For Jesus Christ gave his life up for us on that cross to put our sins to death with him so that, by God-persuaded faith in him, we will now die to sin and follow our Lord in obedience to his commands, in daily practice, in the power of God. For Jesus died and rose from the dead, not just to forgive us our sins, but to free us from our slavery (addiction) to sin so we will now serve him with our lives in surrender and in submission to his perfect will.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

What the Lord Says

Based off Isaiah 43:1-44:5
An Original Work / February 24, 2014
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


This is what the Lord says to you:
Fear not, for I have chosen you.
I have summoned you by your name.
You are mine. I died, you to save.

When you go through your trials, so deep,
I will be with you; you will not sink.
You are so precious always to me.
Trust in your Lord, Savior and King.

This is what the Lord says to you:
He who gave salvation to you;
Who delivered you from your sin;
Takes your burdens now upon Him:

Forget the former things of your life.
Give of your heart not now up to strife.
See all the new things I have for you.
Walk in vict’ry. Trust in what’s true.

This is what the Lord says to you:
He who made you; who will help you:
Do not fear what humans may do.
Walk in freedom. Follow what’s true.

Drink of my Spirit given for you.
Trust in my mercy, for I love you.
I have a plan for all of your life.
Follow my ways. Do what is right.

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