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The Barbarian · 2026-01-02T08:28:44-0600

Trump-Hosted Kennedy Center Honors Ratings Drop to All-Time Low
During the broadcast, which was taped Dec. 7, the president predicted that the 2025 ceremony would draw in the best ratings yet.

Trump-Hosted Kennedy Center Honors Ratings Drop to All-Time Low

During the broadcast, which was taped Dec. 7, the president predicted that the 2025 ceremony would draw in the best ratings yet.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-02T08:28:03-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God,

Which law was written by the Spirit of the living God?

Why are you omitting the last portion of the verse?

“being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

According to your reading of the verse the passage could also read that the letter of the law that was written in ink could also be written on our hearts. But you’re choosing to interpret it that the letter written in ink is not what was written on our hearts but the letter that was written in stone was written on our hearts even tho Paul specifically said that the ministry of death and condemnation that was written in stone would fade away and be replaced with the letter written on our hearts through the Holy Spirit. You’re cherry picking the passages.

What Paul is saying in Colossians 2:3 is that the letter that was written in ink and on stone tablets is not what is written on our hearts because 98% of Christians don’t feel any conviction from the Holy Spirit to observe the sabbath. They do however feel obligated to observe the other 9 commandments. So obviously your interpretation doesn’t align with what we actually see taking place in the hearts of Christians.

SabbatarrianSundayer · 2026-01-02T08:27:45-0600

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Why do you call yourself SabbatarianSundayer? Again, what does "abolished" and "taken away" mean then? In what way do they not apply to us? Also do you believe Yeshua wrote the 10 Commandments?

That means I believe in the teachings of Sabbath; and in the teachings of Sunday.
The 10 Cs; does not apply to us. What part are you further not getting?

BCP1928 · 2026-01-02T08:22:41-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Great. Now show me where in the Epstine files where Trump actually commented a crime.

How can I do that when I haven't seen the files? I have no actionable evidence that he had sex with underage girls.

Oompa Loompa said:
Gee, here is a picture of Teump taking a group photo with a bunch of supposedly underage minors, and liberals go off the rails.

It's pretty clear that you have no idea why "liberals are off the rails."

Oompa Loompa said:
But show a verifiable situation where a democrat president is given oral sex by a staffer? No no crimes occurred.

That's right. No crimes occurred.

Oompa Loompa said:
Now, going back to the topic, show me exactly where Trump actually committed a crime in the Epstine files.

Why? Is it important to you that he has committed a crime?

Oompa Loompa said:
Because apparently, oral sex in the oval office and being half naked in a hot tub with minors is not a crime.

I don't think those things are crimes. If you do, why don't you quote the statutes that were violated?

Paleouss · 2026-01-02T08:19:21-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
None of the four categories

Greetings to you Maria. Grace and hope to you in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Maria Billingsley said:
They are the " fallen ones"

I agree. However, the term "fallen ones" does not denote the subject being referred. One needs context for that.

Maria Billingsley said:
not fallen angels( mistakenly called sons of God)

First, to be transparent, I do not think that the idiom "sons of God" in Gen 6:2,4 are fallen angels. I think they are men. However, Job refers to angels as "sons of God". Do you agree with that?

Maria Billingsley said:
None of the four categories. They are the " fallen ones" , not fallen angels( mistakenly called sons of God) and not the offspring, ( mistakenly called the Nephilim) but those who denied the one true God when Noah preached and continually warned them. These were men not made in the image of God most likely Homo neanderthalensis that homo sapiens bore children with. They still exist hence " afterward " in most human DNA.

My unique take on the matter.

I'm going to try and parse this out. Let me know if I am doing it accurately, according to you.

You are saying that the "Nephilim" (from a root that means "fallen") in Genesis 6:4 are Neanderthal men. Just so I can fully conceptualize your assertion...do you hold to evolution?

Additionally, do you have any other scriptural evidence or other readings for this position so I may study?

Peace to you brother.

Vambram · 2026-01-02T08:14:26-0600

Iran Shuts Down as Massive Street Protests Turn Deadly

Protesters are taking to Iranian streets as reports emerge of security forces firing upon them and death on both sides.

www.westernjournal.com

Will Iran gain their freedom from the extremists Islamic government?

snowbound · 2026-01-02T08:08:40-0600

Maybe you'd be better off on a Preterist forum.

Paleouss · 2026-01-02T08:08:07-0600

Greetings to you d Taylor, many thanks for your time and reply.

d taylor said:
"In those days" simply means in the days of the intermarriage, it is referencing back to 6:2.

I agree. the words "in those days and also afterward" is a time reference. The verse says "the Nephilim were on the earth". Then it attempts to tell us WHEN they were on the earth. To inform us of the when, the writer uses an event as a reference. The simultaneity event is, word for word, "when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them." All of what I just copied within the text is the simultaneous event in which the Nephilim were on the earth. That simultaneous event written in Genesis 6:4 is also written in Genesis 6:2.

d taylor said:
The nephilim were on the earth in the days of the intermarriage because the nephilim were the result of the intermarriage.

It doesn't seem like that is the natural reading of the text. The natural reading of the text is that the Nephilim are on the earth 'at the same time' as the event (i.e., children being born). Your statement seems to require one to infer things onto the text. Things like, the Nephilim were on the earth because they were a "result of the intermarriage". The text doesn't say that. In fact, it seems to me that the most natural reading of the text doesn't even imply it.

I'm looking at the most natural reading of the text for the most objective evaluation.

Peace to you brother

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2026-01-02T08:07:18-0600

It's surprising that legislation was needed for this common-sense policy, which highlights the divide on immigration. While I disagree with today's conservative stance on immigration, I believe undocumented immigrants who commit crimes and are in U.S. jails should be promptly deported.

SabbatarrianSundayer · 2026-01-02T08:06:27-0600

prodromos said:
I've posted what Jesus said. I think that supersedes what David or you say.

I posted what Paul said. Superseding what U think Jesus said. Jesus didn't command Sabbath.

Hentenza · 2026-01-02T08:04:45-0600

Since there us no command in the new covenant to keep the 4th commandment (unless a verse can be found that requires the Christian to keep the Jewish sabbath) and since Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath and the Christian rest is now in Him, and since the rest can be taken any day of the week, then why would there be a command necessary to keep Sunday?

MarcusGregor · 2026-01-02T08:02:09-0600

essentialsaltes said:
OK, he's all sworn in on a stack of Korans.

<reads the comments>

<never read the comments>

Part of me wishes he would have trolled the right just a little and said, "So help me Allah" in his oath.

BCP1928 · 2026-01-02T08:01:19-0600

JohnB445 said:
That we have a universe that we may never know why it exists or what purpose it has, and that after billions and billions of years non-living matter hit other non-living matter just right and by chance formed biological matter, which would then by random chance form even more complex biological matter, and know how to adapt and evolve to the environment by chance, and that by chance it just so happened to happen on a planet where the conditions would be perfect for life out of trillions of galaxies and solar systems. and that every living thing is an accident and the universe doesn't know anything or that living things exist, and by chance a living animal evolved to be intelligent enough to understand the universe, and the physics of it.

Or we have a creator and life has purpose.

So we have two options on what to believe.

If there was no creator than how were we created? how can there be any creation without a creator?

If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

In that case you need to go find people who believe we were created by complete randomness. Nobody in this forum believes that, not even the atheists.

7thKeeper · 2026-01-02T08:00:12-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Russia joined the Partnership for peace program in 1994, in 1997 they signed the NATO-Russia founding act and created the permanent joint council, after the relations soured a bit after the US leaving the ABM treaty, they thawed again after 2002 when the NATO-Russia council was instated. So their have been a lot of actions to make Russia feel at home in NATO, but they never formally applied to become a member.

To add to this, the 1997 document signed by Russia also specifically says that both sides agree that third nations are allowed to make their own security choices, including either joining NATO or Russia in a military alliance if they feel that's the right course for them.

Hentenza · 2026-01-02T07:58:03-0600

The Liturgist said:
Indeed, there is neither Jew nor Greek. As for the rest of your post, if some Jews embraced Christ, including St. Paul, the supreme example of a Jew failing to recognize the Messiah and then repenting to the point of being numbered together with the 11 Holy Apostles that were the faithful of the twelve chosen by Christ before His passion, and St. Matthias, St. James the Just and the Seventy, we can’t say Israel rejected Christ, the two statements are contradictory.

““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭37‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 23:37-39 (NASB2020) - “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills th | YouVersion

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you

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The Jews, corporately, rejected the Messiah. The destruction of the temple in 70 ad and the ejection of the Jews from the promised land after the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in 132 ad finished the prophesy of the desolation of the house of Israel. Notice that Jesus explained that Israel will not see Him again until they accept Him as the Messiah.

The Liturgist said:
In saying this, I am of course speaking of heritage, not status, and of the Church in unity; we believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church whose members are neither Jew nor Greek but one in Christ Jesus, as I have no doubt the Messianic Jews on CF affirm, since our Statement of Faith is basically the Nicene Creed + a prohibition on denying the inspired apostolate of St. Paul and a few other related provisions.

I agree. My previous discussions in this thread never denied the MJs Christianity. In fact when I was an advisor here one of the other advisors and dear fried Tishri1 was a MJ and we had many discussion regarding CF acceptance of doctrines including using the Nicene Creed as CF statement of faith.

The Liturgist said:
Thus I fear you are reading into my post an implied neo-Ebionitism which is quite absent; I am as opposed to neo-Ebionitism as I am to neo-Marcionitism.

It never crossed my mind. I’m not sure what in my response caused you to think that and please forgive me if it did. Maybe we can discuss neo-Marcionism in another thread some time.

DaisyDay · 2026-01-02T07:57:07-0600

https://www.startribune.com/day-care-fraud-minnesota-video/601554760

Kevin Brown, who lives two blocks away and owns a business next door to ABC Learning Center, said he often sees kids at the center.

He saw Shirley’s video and came over to the daycare Dec. 30 when he saw TV cameras there.

“I don’t like the idea of people coming from out of town, coming into our neighborhood and making assumptions without talking to people and getting the facts,” he said. “That’s the definition of fake news.”

snowbound · 2026-01-02T07:54:55-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Welcome!

The same happened to me. This forum has lots of good knowledgeable people on it. We all know 'stuff' but none of us know everything.

JAM2b · 2026-01-02T07:49:18-0600

I work every a Sunday and haven't been able to find a different job. I watch church services online.

FredVB · 2026-01-02T07:42:04-0600

d taylor said:
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Why

Why what?

The Liturgist · 2026-01-02T07:40:16-0600

JohnD70X7 said:
I am currently toying with a project in the brainstorm phase, involving man's venture out into space (Space Venture)... involving a more probable means of transportation than warp (wormhole transit via kugelblitz technology to create temporary black holes using just light itself) with more realistic time frames (i.e. cutting the ties with ground bound humans whose time is out of sync with space venturers).

But as I said, I have gone back into online ministry and such projects (the above) take too much time. When I retire in 7 years I may give it more consideration.

Space Venture is also the implied name of the spacecraft being prepared for launch at Space Mountain at Disneyland. You here it referenced in the comchat.

The SF epic I’m close to completing uses a slight jest for how the interstellar travel works (making the design theoretically possible to falsify, but no scientist would risk it, since what you’d probably wind up with is a carcinogenic neurotoxic fire, and it is highly improbable. However, I am for a hyper-realist treatment of the effect of the drive system: all movements through space are movements through time, so if one wants to avoid time dilation, one has to accept time travel as part of that. Thus much of the SF aspects of the book deals with how a civilization functions across different regions of spacetime. I’m also a stickler for realistic relativistic behavior of spacecraft in terms of orbital mechanics and manuevering.

I am also in the ministry, albeit as clergy, but I’m too ill to serve the liturgy right now, so I am focusing chiefly on this and on improving my knowledge of AI systems.

snowbound · 2026-01-02T07:38:58-0600

JulieB67 said:
They are indeed fallen angels who had sex with human women.

That is not the case as we can see when we go back to verse 1.

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

This verse tells us that human men are already multiplying and that human daughters were born to them. So we've already established that human men and women are producing daughters.

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

So this verse is telling us something completely different. This tells us that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair and took them took them wives. The sons of God are angels. Again, human men are already mating with human women in verse 1. So verse 2 makes no sense if you are believing this is just repeating the same thing.

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

We have a second witness to this sin in Jude. And the offspring is certain not normal of human men and women and it's pointing that out.

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

What strange flesh? Human women. And they left their own habitation to do so. If you believe differently what fornication did they give themselves or to by going after strange flesh? That is their sin.

I know you believe that the fallen angels are simply spirits and that's it but that is simply not the case. They have bodies and we look like them and vice versa. We can also eat each others food and so on. So if God is telling me that they can mate with human women and that they went after strange flesh I will believe it.

Great response! At times it's difficult to get things right. This is a subject where views go in every direction.

The Liturgist · 2026-01-02T07:32:16-0600

Hentenza said:
My brother. In the church there is neither Jew nor Greek which means that all are equal in the eyes of the Lord. I agree with you that many Jews converted to Christianity but many remained cultural Jews even after conversion as evidenced by the troubles that Paul expressed in his epistles about the Jews wanting to keep the law and attempting to force the gentiles to circumcise and basically become “Christian” Jews. The council of Jerusalem addressed this issue but the problem remained. A good example is Acts 21 when Paul returned to Jerusalem and was accused of teaching that the law was no longer necessary and the elders of the church almost caused his death. So Israel corporately has not yet recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

Secondly, in the context of the NT and the fact that those in the church are neither Jew or Greek the word ekklesia means a congregation of Christians not a Jewish synagogue or Jewish congregation.

Indeed, there is neither Jew nor Greek. As for the rest of your post, if some Jews embraced Christ, including St. Paul, the supreme example of a Jew failing to recognize the Messiah and then repenting to the point of being numbered together with the 11 Holy Apostles that were the faithful of the twelve chosen by Christ before His passion, and St. Matthias, St. James the Just and the Seventy, we can’t say Israel rejected Christ, the two statements are contradictory.

In saying this, I am of course speaking of heritage, not status, and of the Church in unity; we believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church whose members are neither Jew nor Greek but one in Christ Jesus, as I have no doubt the Messianic Jews on CF affirm, since our Statement of Faith is basically the Nicene Creed + a prohibition on denying the inspired apostolate of St. Paul and a few other related provisions.

Thus I fear you are reading into my post an implied neo-Ebionitism which is quite absent; I am as opposed to neo-Ebionitism as I am to neo-Marcionitism.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2026-01-02T07:31:17-0600

JulieB67 said:
They are indeed fallen angels who had sex with human women.

Uh no. Thinking Satan and devils have sex and half breed devil/humans babies is a well debunked cultic hoax and a known heresy to boot.

Explains a lot about your other positions too if this is in the pile

JulieB67 said:
This verse tells us that human men are already multiplying and that human daughters were born to them. So we've already established that human men and women are producing daughters.

No issues

JulieB67 said:
So this verse is telling us something completely different. This tells us that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men

Well, back up the heresy bus and unload the falsehood that "sons of God" are something other than male people. Sons of God are people.

JulieB67 said:
were fair and took them took them wives. The sons of God are angels. Again, human men are already mating with human women in verse 1. So verse 2 makes no sense if you are believing this is just repeating the same thing.

No, it's just phony spins inserting something that isn't there.

JulieB67 said:
Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

We have a second witness to this sin in Jude. And the offspring is certain not normal of human men and women and it's pointing that out.

Line breeding is also a well known scientific fact i.e. breeding large to large makes larger offspring. No sense sensationalizing it.

JulieB67 said:
Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

What strange flesh? Human women.

You are simply jumping into an unnecessary theological frying pan stemming from a basic misread from the start.

JulieB67 said:
And they left their own habitation to do so. If you believe differently what fornication did they give themselves or to by going after strange flesh? That is their sin.

It's speaking of sexual immorality among people.

JulieB67 said:
I know you believe that the fallen angels are simply spirits and that's it

Yes, that is it. There is no physical proof of material devils. Zero. Let alone reproducing with humans UNLESS you're in a cult like Shepherds chapel and other fringe cults.

JulieB67 said:
but that is simply not the case. They have bodies and we look like them and vice versa. We can also eat each others food and so on. So if God is telling me that they can mate with human women and that they went after strange flesh I will believe it.

I think you already know it doesn't matter to me what you believe. It does explain a lot about what positions you espouse though.

Fairy tales

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-02T07:30:11-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Sure it does 2Cor3:3 which law is the only law being spoken of? Written on stone- only the Ten Commandments Exo31:18 and where did it go- tablets of the heart. God's laws written in the heart. Who defines God's laws- He or us? Only God and He did, both personally written by Him and spoken by Him and there is no one greater than He. He called it His Testimony Exo31:18 and sad just far man has gone would rather get rid of the Ten Commandments- how to love God and love man Deut6:5 Rom13:9 because of one of them - the one God said is a sign between God and His people Eze20:20 the sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 because we can't do this ourselves.

I provided context, of these passage, I am to agree to disagree and will get sorted out in God's time.

It doesn’t say that at all.

“You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 (NASB1995) - You are our letter, written in our | YouVersion

You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not

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The “You” is referring to the congregation, that is the letter that is written in our hearts. The letter of Christ, not written with ink or stone but written with the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t say anything about the tablets of stone being written in our hearts. The letter of Christ is the law that is more glorious than the law written on stones. The law written on stones was the ministry of death that brought condemnation and that has faded away.

“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

2 Corinthians 3:11 (NASB1995) - For if that which fades away was wi | YouVersion

For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

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Christsfreeservant · 2026-01-02T07:30:07-0600

stevevw said:
I also think 1 Corinthians 13 applies. I was thinking about how can a Christian live in a world that is becoming more resistent and even hostile towards Christs truth. As mentioned even the church.

I think there are many more conflicting and confrontational situations and relationships today where the majority is becoming anti Christ in various ways. I think sometimes and depending on the situation you have to keep a low profile as far as entering the secular public square to even function today without coming across many situations where your faith will be put on the line.

I think most Christians from my experience keep to themselces and don't really make it known they are a Christian let alone preach the gospel. Thats the way it seems to have become.

Just speaking Christs truth makes you enermies now. Its almost like satan is uising the worlds domination today to tell Christians to shut up and remain on the fringes.

But you can't keep Christ down and when that usually happens bold Christians stand up. Christ church stands up even in the face of death. Its happening now and has always hapened when the world denies Christ. Just like the early Christians who gave their life standing on the truth.

I think Christs truth is exactly what can defeat such evil. To love and forgive your enermy is so radically different in todays culture wars. If the church had a church full of Christians like this today. Like the verse says this giving a drink to their enermy. Then this would be a shinning light in a dark, dark world.

Bring it on. Now is the time I think and many are reproving their faith in response to what has been happening in the world. Its the only way. People are sick of liars, hypocrites and words mean nothing. Thats why Christs example is so different and will offer hope to many.

Stevevw, thank you for reading, and thank you for your thoughtful and kind response. Much appreciated. Yes, 1 Corinthians 13 fits here. Yes, many more are becoming hostile and indifferent to the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles, as taught in their correct biblical context. And yes, apathy about spiritual matters is consuming much of what is called "church" today. Yes, if you are someone who is holding to the truths of the Scriptures and who is sharing those truths with others, you should expect to not be popular among the people, including within the gatherings of "the church," because you will be an oddball, a dinosaur, so to speak. You won't gain lots of friends on social media, either. And you won't have a lot of people who will want to hang out with you because they will find you weird, for not like everyone else.

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