stevevw said:

I disagree. Of all nations it was the western nations that immigrants wanted to come. I wonder why. Because of all nations they had democracy and rights and freedoms. They had a decent standard of living. I remember the famous saying about America being the "land of opportunity" and "land of freedom".

The US was built on immigration into that iconic idea. It stemmed from western Christianity which also underpinned human rights. That is the western culture. Sure it developed some bad aspects like unbridled individualism and materialism. But the fundemental principles of a free democracy were what people believed in.

This is oposed to other ideologies like Islam as a theocracy or socialism, marxism and communism. Even Christianism as a theocracy. These ideas fundementally create class and identity warfare which decends into tribalism.

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As I’ve said before, I respect your faith and your thoughtfulness. And I recognize on this issue we will never agree. While I find I’m wrong sometimes, yet I remain confident on this as I look back through history. History is very clear that each wave of immigrants did not come for the purpose of altering America. They came for the purpose of making a new life for themselves. They came knowing they would face hardship. But they were leaving a worse hardship. And every single time they caused a reaction of fear and disgust amid the citizens of that time. And only decades later, looking back, was it realized they had, on balance, made our country better. It had nothing to do with racial or ethnic or religious identity. This is no different. I know you don’t see it that way. I’m actually sorry for you and others like you. And I’m sorry for almost every muslim who has no intention of disrupting America and wants only to build a life for their family.

Ave, María, grátia plena,
Dóminus tecum.
Benedicta tu in muliéribus,
et benedíctus fructus ventris
tui, Iesus.
Sancta María, Mater Dei,
ora pro nobis peccatoribus
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae.
Amen.

Hentenza said:

I disagree. Can the unregenerated be born again on their own?

“Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.””
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Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

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How can an unregenerate person be born of the Spirit if they don’t have the Spirit?

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I would counter: How can a person already having the Spirit, be born again to receive the Spirit? If the person has the Spirit he/she is already born again.

Hentenza said:

“Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.”
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Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been

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How does a natural person repent on their own when no one seeks God (Rom. 3:11)?

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No one can repent on their own. They have to be convicted by the Holy Spirit. To be convicted is not the same as receiving the Spirit.

Hentenza said:

How can a natural man have “faith” in God and prove to himself that God will reward him for repenting??

“And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for the one who comes to God must believe that He exists, and that He proves to be One who rewards those who seek Him.”
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And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for the one who comes to God must believe that He exists, and that He proves to be One who rewards those who seek Him.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "prove to himself" or "reward him for repenting." Hebrews 11:6 simply says that the one who comes to God must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who seek Him. It doesn't say a person must first be regenerated before they can seek Him

Hentenza said:

John 3:16 clearly states that only those who believe in the Son will be saved and have eternal life. In order to have faith God must bestow His free gift of grace and since this is a gift of God no one can get grace on their own. So then the ones that believe in John 3:16 are those that God has given His free grace in order for them to have faith.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;”
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For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

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You have quoted quite a few verses. We could discuss them more thoroughly later.

John 3:16 does not say God first regenerates a person before they can believe. It simply says that everyone who believes has eternal life.
You're adding another step to the text: "those who believe are only those who were first regenerated." That may be your theological understanding from other passages, but it isn't what John 3:16 itself says.

We both agree salvation is by God's grace. Where we disagree is the order. I believe God's grace enables people to respond to the gospel, and when they repent and believe, God gives them new life.

Hentenza said:

His conclusion will lead to universalism if you follow his interpretation of the Greek. Unless you believe that all will be saved then the world becomes all people but since the verse itself gives you the limiting condition “of only those who believe” will be saved then the world are those that believe.

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That does not follow. John 3:16 has two different groups:

The world - the object of God’s love.

Those who believe - the recipients of eternal life.

If you know something about Bill Mounce, he is a respected Greek scholar, that has been part of the team working on the translations of ESV and NIV. He is not a universalist and he is actually Reformed.

Hentenza said:

God loves absolutely everyone but not everyone is saved. He has known this since before the foundation of the world.

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In this we can fully agree!

Homily Thursday, July 23, 2026



Jeremiah 2:1-3, 7-8, 12-13

“I am the source of living waters.”



Let us return to the joy of the child.



Matthew 13:10-17

The disciples approached him and said, “Why do you speak to them in parables?”

Jesus replied, “This is why I speak to them in parables, because ‘they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.”



People listen and understand in parables.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

Benaiah468 said:

Does the flawless transition between Greek Ordinal and Hebrew Standard values strike you as purposeful architecture or mere chance?

The early Church fathers revered 888 as the number of the New Creation and Resurrection, structurally contrasting the flawed 666 in the Book of Revelation.

Let's discuss this further; I look forward to your insights and perspectives!

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Did you know that the number 888 also appears in the very first verse of the Hebrew Bible when visualizing the mathematical-geometric pattern underlying Genesis 1:1?

Triangular numbers belong to a specific family of figurate numbers that form perfect equilateral triangles: the exact geometric figure traditionally depicting the Trinity. Crucially, every third triangular number possesses a distinct center (centroid) counter.

The total Standard Gematria of Genesis 1:1 is 2701, which factors perfectly into 37*73. Both 37 and 73 are prime numbers and, remarkably, form geometric triangles. But what happens when we look at their exact centroids (geometric centers)?

The Centroid of Triangle 37: Calculated from the triangle's apex (the top), the exact center is located at the 313th dot.



The Centroid of Triangle 73: Calculated from the triangle's apex, the exact center is located at the 1201st dot.



The isopsephy of Jesus (Ἰησοῦs = 888) flawlessly bridges these two geometric centers:
1201 (Centroid 73) − 313 (Centroid 37) = 888

888 is the precise geometric distance between the two centroids!



The symmetry goes even deeper when we look at how the centroid of Triangle 37 is measured. While it sits at the 313th dot counted from the top, it rests at exactly the 391st dot when counted upward from the base

(37+36+35+34+33+32+31+30+29+28+27+26+12+1 = 391

Yehoshua, the Hebrew name of Jesus, has a Standard Gematria value of exactly 391

Yehoshua
יהושׁע
10. י Yud 10
5. ה He 5
6. ו Vav 6
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
16. ע Ayin 70
Σ 391

Furthermore, this cross-linguistic math seals itself through number theory: The 313th composite number is also exactly 391.

What are your thoughts on this profound geometric intersection between the first verse of Genesis and the name of Christ?

BobRyan said:

19 “Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet, 20 and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates. 21 I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom. NASB

Passed in favor of the saints, means that just as we see in Rom 2, the saints are included in the judgment.

It also says that until that judgment is complete , the saints are getting hammered by the bad guys.

25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints

It is only after that judgment concludes that relief comes for the saints, Christ appears and takes over dominion



"passed in favor of the saints" Means the saints are included.
Rom 2:4-16 saints subjected to the judgment
2 Cor 5:9 saints included in the judgment


true. We are fine with that

I don't have a printed schedule for their process in heaven. When you get one, let us know

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The saints are included in this judgement, but they are the plaintiffs, not the defendant. They are not the ones being judged.

partinobodycular said:

This question has puzzled me for quite some time. The following image is meant to be an illustration of how gravity can be modelled as a warp in spacetime, but isn't it completely backwards? In other words, it shows space being warped AWAY from the center of gravity, but shouldn't it actually show space being warped TOWARD the center of gravity?

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Here a relatively (pardon the the pun) mathematically friendly explanation.

The diagram is not an accurate depiction of how gravity works or how space-time curves due to gravity (it does not).

(1) The diagram shows a 2D plane and balls embedded in 3D space.
(2) It incorrectly depicts gravity as a real force as the small ball is “falling” towards the large ball.
(3) The diagram does not show the orbital plane can rotate which is known as precession.

In GR (General Relativity) gravity is depicted as a fictitious not a real force.
Gravity is only real in GR when defined as a tidal force such as when moon is too close to a planet and breaks up, or an object undergoes spaghettification when too close to a black hole.
We feel fictitious forces when we drive a car, when the car accelerates, we are pushed into the seat, or when decelerating we are pushed out of the seat.
Einstein visualized this using an elevator, a person inside an elevator cannot tell if the elevator is stationary in the Earth’s gravitational field or is being accelerated in space at g in the opposite direction to dropping a ball inside the elevator.
This is known as the equivalence principle and was a precursor to GR as a theory for gravity.

The geometry of space-time is determined by a metric ds² which is an interval when summed (∫ds) over all the intervals defines the straightest possible path between two points.
If an object follows this trajectory it is known to be on a geodesic.
In 3D flat space the metric is ds² = dx² + dy² + dz² which is Pythagoras’s theorem in 3D.

For a planetary orbit in 4D spacetime is the Schwarzschild metric for a massive central body of mass M around which space-time curves in a spherical symmetry. G is the gravitational constant, c the speed of light while r, θ and φ are parameters describing spherical space.

ds² = (1-2MG/c²r)c²dt² - dr² /(1-2MG/c²r) - r²(dθ² + sin²θdφ²)

A planet or satellite moving on this geodesic will be in an orbit and also in free fall as an accelerometer will read zero as there is no proper gravitational force acting on it, while the plane of the orbit can undergo precession which the metric predicts and Newtonian gravity cannot fully explain.

Dan Perez said:

And by the HOLY SPIRIT Paul wrote ::

# 1 AND //. KAI. isa a CONJUNCTION

# 2 WHEN PAUL //. PAULOS in the. GENITIVE CASE ins. the SINGULAR

#3. HAD LAID // EPITITEMI. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the GENITIVE CASE in. th SINGULAR

#4 HANDS. //. CHEIR. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

#5 UPON. //. EPITIT. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 6 THEM. // AUTOS is a. PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

#7 THE // HO in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

#8 HOLY // HAGIOS. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER. , meaning MALE and FEMALE

#9 SPIRIT //. PNEUMA. in. th NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

#10 CAME //. ERCHOMAI. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

#11 ON // EPI is a PREPOSTION

#12. THEM //. AUTOS is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in the ACCUATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

#13 AND // TE is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

#14. THEY SPAKE //. LALEO. in. th IMPERFECT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the PLURAL

#15. WITH TONGUES //. GLOSSA. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

#16. AND // KAI. is a CONJUNCION

#17 PROPHESIED. //. PROPHETEUO. in. the IMPREFECT TENSE in. the PLURAL

AND like what Peter said , that what Paul w rote is HARD to understand , WHICH UNTAUGHT. and UNSTABLE

PEOPLE TWIST. to their own Destruction, as they. all so. the REST off the Scripture 2. Peter 3;16 !!

dan p

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Two things strike me. First, Acts 19:6 is about Christians at Ephesus, not Gaius (who came from Derbe), Crispus (from Corinth) or the household of Stephanas (also from Corinth). Second, the laying on of hands did not impart the Holy Spirit, like some sort of magical procedure. Laying on of hands is nowhere called the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

High Fidelity said:

Thoughts on the significant increase in rapes and sexual assaults in Sweden

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This does not seem to be immigration related.

There has been a general increase in recorded Swedish sex crimes since the start of the 1980s. This seems to be tied to:

Better reporting of sexual assault by victims (ie, not ignoring the problem)
Changes in the legal process of how sexual crimes are recorded
New laws broadening the definition of what constitutes sexual assault
Increased willingness to investigate and prosecute sex crimes

High Fidelity said:

and many other European countries that correlate with the vast number of Muslims entering those countries (almost exclusively illegally as well)?

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Do they? Which ones?

Can you show the correlation?

Can you then show that correlation equals causation?

When you look at sex crime rate data, Muslim countries tend to have much lower rates per capita that 'Christian' countries of similar developmental levels.

High Fidelity said:

I mean really, the writing is on the wall written in the blood of sexually assaulted women, murder victims, victims of terrorism and the rest of an extensive list, some folks are just so determined to be 'empathetic' to the detriment of their own country and culture that they refuse to see it.

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partinobodycular said:

Exactly, but in that case you're using gravity to explain what causes gravity. A little circular don't you think. Which is why it never made sense to me.

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I don't think it's mean to explain gravity. It's just giving us a simplistic visual representation of passing objects being caught in a gravity field. I've seen this done with a rubber sheet stretched across a frame and a steel ball placed in the middle as per that diagram. Which is not actually correct because the centre of gravity is then at the bottom of the ball and not the centre.

To be honest, I don't think our minds are built to be able to visualise it accurately.

partinobodycular said:

That's not really what we're seeing. We're seeing the plane (the grid) being bent downward under the ball. For a plane that dissects the center of the ball it should remain perfectly flat, only being warped along the plane toward the center of gravity, but not downward. If however it were a plane that ran above the ball, then yes, it should bend downward toward the center of gravity. And if it were a plane running under the ball then it should bend upward toward the center of gravity. But any plane dissecting the center of the ball should bend neither up nor down, but toward the center of gravity.

At least that's how my 9th grade education sees it. I'm just waiting for Hans or Sj to come set me straight.

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But the “grid” isn’t in just the shown plane, it is in all planes and all possible planes.

Valletta said:

False.

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-ruling-against-voter-id-laws/6BC3C310-1B57-425F-852C-18DCC6E46486

It’s insulting to say that Black Americans can’t get IDs: congressional candidate | Fox News Video

Jennifer-Ruth Green tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that Dems can’t continue to conceptualize Black Americans as a single factor. They see the clarity of all of the failures that continue to exist.

www.foxnews.com

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If these laws don’t make it more difficult for a citizen to vote, the how do they “protect” election security”
(Also your link is (nearly) a decade old, and might be outdated?)

MrMoe said:

None of this falls under religious persecution. Your title is misleading.

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Sure, hand-wave it away.
I can remember when Obama and Biden and Clinton complained about how immigrabts chose to dress they own children too! Why, I’m almost sure of it!

MrMoe said:

None of this falls under religious persecution. Your title is misleading.

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Someone would need to be pretty naive to think that “Public school in St. Paul, Minnesota. Every girl is in a hijab … in kindergarten" is another way of saying 'Ah, look. Don't those kids look so darn cute!'

It goes on to say 'Thousands of replies piled on with further vile attacks against five-year olds'. Attacks for what reason do you think?

partinobodycular said:

That's not really what we're seeing. We're seeing the plane (the grid) being bent downward under the ball. For a plane that dissects the center of the ball it should remain perfectly flat, only being warped along the plane toward the center of gravity, but not downward. If however it were a plane that ran above the ball, then yes, it should bend downward toward the center of gravity. And if it were a plane running under the ball then it should bend upward toward the center of gravity. But any plane dissecting the center of the ball should bend neither up nor down, but toward the center of gravity.

At least that's how my 9th grade education sees it. I'm just waiting for Hans or Sj to come set me straight.

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I think it's deformed downwards just to show what would happen to a ball entering that gravity well. It falls in towards the centre of gravity. It's almost as if it's a 2 1/2 D representation. 2D wouldn't show anything being captured by gravity and I'm struggling to imagine what on earth (no pun) it would look like in 3D.

ThatRobGuy said:

Anti-Israel, Gen Z socialist who ousted 15-term Colorado incumbent calls for ‘more immigrants into office’

The anti-Israel Gen-Z socialist who ousted 15-term Colorado rep Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) has called for more immigrants to be elected into office as part of a “reckoning” with the global…

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Apologies for the slanted framing in this article... NY Post isn't my first choice for linked sources, typically I tried to find things from more neutral or left-wing sources so that "source bias" accusations don't muddy the conversation. However, most of the mainstream ones simply aren't covering it.

“The responsibility that we have as Americans, the recognition that is going to be required of us, of the exploitative and extractive nature that we play on the global scale and the global stage is only going to be challenged if we are getting represented by people who understand that on a fundamental level. And that means getting more immigrants into office. That means getting more people who have heritage in the global south into office because that’s where those decisions are made specifically.”


As the article notes, she's expected to cruise to victor in that district in Colorado after being the 15 term incumbent in the primary.

She's also tight with the Hasan Piker (who many on here have claimed they've never heard of, but he seems to be playing kingmaker for DSA candidates in primaries, he's quickly becoming the leftist version of Bannon...the same guy who just showed up at a college speech literally dressed as Chairman Mao...that's not an exaggeration)


A couple different aspects to discuss.

Could her words be reasonably construed as "We need more people who hate America, to have political leadership positions in America"? When you break down what she's saying "America is exploitative and evil, and we need people from the global south who agree with my viewpoint on that to be in elected positions"

The other aspect, is all of this DSA nonsense going to backfire in 2028? While this kind of stuff may be popular in isolated very deep blue areas in some cities, is it going to have appeal beyond that?

For the Midwest in particular (which is where I live), I don't personally know any Democrats (apart from maybe my one cousin and the kids over at Oberlin who just take the furthest left position on everything for the sake of doing so lol) who would be even remotely enthused with the notion of "we need more people who think America is terrible in elected positions so they can help us tear it all down"

I'll try to find a more objective source discussing it, but there's video of her saying it, so the statement shouldn't be in dispute regardless of the NY Post "pro-Zionism" editorializing.

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Who moves to a country that they “hate”?​

Seriously.

tall73 said:

And if you agree with Bob Ryan then you already have a less than literal interpretation of time in regards to one day. So again, looking at a lexicon isn't going to solve your issue.

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I don't specifically know what Bob Ryan's whole belief about it.
As every Bible words carry meaning or meanings, giving meaning of it by it's own through context result to greater possibility of misinterpretation.
Why? Many Bible translations today doesn't abide in the process of "textual criticism" that aims to restore or maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. They used words not recorded in the original manuscripts.

I prefer to follow the very foundation of what Bible word means at the time it was use.
1. Correct definition of original Bible words also derive through context,
2. It's the foundation of sound exegesis abiding the rules of hermeneutics,
3. One hermeneutics' rule is, Scriptures interpret Scriptures, or clear verse interpret unclear verse,
4. With the three steps, I believe we arrive into a foundational theology.

Also, without consulting Bible Lexicons to define Bible words, I'm afraid we'll give meaning to it through our own assumptions and preconceptions without realizing it.

Bradskii said:

So let me get this straight. They drained the pool to repair the vandalism, which someone has been charged with, but no-one has documented said vandalism as evidence?

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It’s the ol’ we wouldn’t have brought charges if they weren’t guilty! prosecution.
No evidence? Just make an example out of this one and we won’t need anymore trials!

Pommer said:

“Deported” from where?

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From Israel. Since the flotilla was intercepted by the Israeli Navy for attempting to breach the naval blockade, the vessels were redirected to Israeli ports (such as Ashdod). The foreign participants were placed into Israeli immigration custody, systematically processed, and subsequently deported from Israeli airports (specifically Ramon Airport and Ben Gurion Airport) back to their respective home countries or transit hubs like Istanbul.

Lukaris said:

You just apply your disconnected whims as your rules. If someone said Burger King and McDonald’s are 2 fast food burger chains, you would say it is wrong to state McDonald’s is one because the word “burger” isn’t in the name. If someone provided physical evidence otherwise, your imagination already has said it is false to say McDonald’s is a burger chain.

You can’t even give an honest answer to a straightforward question on whether you speak any Greek.

Proverbs 14:7

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And I ALWAYS use BLUE LETTER BIBLE. has all the GREEK WORDS to explain and verse and in. the other give all

Hebrew !! And you are saying that I. do not GIVE no honest answer. , REALLY. and that I am LYING. ??

And not one time have I ever have said that I. SPEAK GREEK. FROM A GREEK BIBLE

dan p

tall73 said:

Colossians 2:12-13 (NKJV) 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

I am not necessarily putting forward the view of baptism as a solution to Rev 20, still looking at the details. But being raised from the dead with, and made alive with Christ does come before the later bodily
resurrection.

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Yes, baptism comes first than bodily resurrection.
Would you commend that those baptized in Jesus would only be with Him for a thousand years in the context of Revelation 20:6?

tall73 said:

In context the use of first here is explaining how we who are alive will note precede those who fell asleep. They rise, then we also are caught up.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (NKJV) 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

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Yes, the passage relate about the dead in Christ will first be resurrected and the alive with the newly resurrected will be caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and shall always be with the Lord.

BTW here are things that God could do in a world (e.g. heaven) that would be impossible in our physical world but can be explained in terms of a simulation/game:
Login to view embedded media It could be like the TARDIS in Doctor Who where the inside is bigger than the outside (so that "mansions" don't take up so much space on the outside)