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The Body Incorruptible

Good point. At the molecular level, we are already not occupying the same physical body we were born into.

For the most part; there are some cells that do not die and get replaced, and thus the molecule chain for some things is largely or entirely the same, for example, DNA in brain cells, a specific protein in the lens of the eye, and the molecular structure of tooth enamel, once formed, either in the womb or in childhood in the case of permanent teeth, are stable throughout the lifetime and can also be used to carbon date human remains.

This was partially confirmed through testing of carbon 14, a radioisotope the amount of which in the atmosphere doubled for a time due to nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s, and it was discovered that the amount of carbon 14 present in DNA and eye lens tissue, the amount of carbon 14 varied consistently based on the year the person was born, indicating that these molecules had remained with the body.

However, the majority of our tissues does get replaced; indeed, we can’t simply say based on the age of the cell whether or not the molecules are of the same, with a few exceptions, such as DNA, and also collagen, where indeed, the molecules are stable, of necessity.
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Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

and what the Bible says, if one allows, defines as the shadow laws Heb10:1-15 not the law of God written by God on stone for its eternal nature
The letters written in stone were the ministry of death and condemnation that was to fade away.

“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬

The 10 commandments were not eternal. Paul specifically says that the sabbaths are shadows of what was to come. You just refuse to accept what he said because Ellen White said so.
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Trump Wins Again: Final Epstein Docs Nail Huge Dems, Dem Supporters, and Anti-Trumpers - Here Are the Top 7 (Plus 5 Smug Leftist Celebs

It makes it an important story within the Republican Party. It has caused a rift with people like MTG heading for the exits due to the flip-flop and stonewalling from the Trump Administration. She stands for probably millions of not-very-smart conspiracy-minded voters who were a part of the GOP coalition.

These people were expecting arrests and trials. Instead they get nothing, and see high-placed members of the Administration mentioned prominently within the Epstein Files.
Speaking of the angry Trump base of millions of not-very-smart conspiracy-minded voters

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False Teachers and False Prophets, counterfeit signs and wonders

Hi BC, well, many cults of various teachings come quickly to mind, especially those who reinterpret and/or rewrite part of the Bible, and/or add additional books to it, including the more recent cult, the "Church of Almighty God" aka "Eastern Lightning".
"Eastern Lightning" appears to be nothing more or less than a Chinese knock-off of Moon Sun-Myung's "Unification Church" Cynic that I am, I have to believe that isn't a coincidence. Moonies made unimaginable amounts of money fleecing the credulous, and it should come as no surprise that someone else might try their hand at it.

I had a fair amount of experience with the Moonies. They were trying to establish a presence on FidoNet (a pre-internet amateur-run communications network) and asked my help to set up a local hub. They were frighteningly nice to me; I'm sure being half Korean didn't hurt. Their theology was vaguely biblical in that Moon claimed to be the fulfillment of a number of scriptural Prophecies, but otherwise pure cloud cuckooland
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Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

The annual feast days and sabbath(s) were the shadows laws because Jesus came to put and end to all animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 all in the law of Moses the feast days and annual sabbaths were all connected to animal sacrifices
And so was the Saturday sabbath as we’ve already shown you.
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Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

As far as how the annual sabbath(s) are against mankind, they are not, its the record of sin that is against man that was handwritten by Moses outside the ark as a witness against man Deut31:24-26 the law Paul was quoting from, not the Testimony of God written by the finger of God Exo31:18 under the mercy seat of God, why His blood atones for the sins from this law, Ten, not nine Deut4:13 Exo25:21 Rev11:18-19.
What does Deuteronomy 31:24-26 have to do with the handwritten ORDINANCES that were against us? Now all the sudden you’ve changed your tune on this passage.

First of all I never said wiped out, Paul did and I explained what was wiped out Paul was quoting- the handwritten ordinances that were contrary and against- handwritten by Moses. I never once said the entire book of the law was removed, that was besides the ark there as a witness against (not me saying)

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Paul was quoting the laws he was referring to the sabbath(s) that were contained in ordinances handwritten in the Book of the law that was set beside the ark as a witness against you i.e. contrary and against- written by Moses
Right here you did specifically say that the hand written ordinances of the sabbaths was against us, now you’re changing your answer. Deuteronomy 31-24-26 doesn’t say anything about any of the sabbaths. The Passover sabbath commandment was given before they even left Egypt. So now you’re all over the place trying to figure this one out when it’s right there in front of you in Mark 2 that you’re so fond of quoting but you have no idea what it actually means. Why did Jesus say “the sabbath was made for man”? What was the purpose of Him saying that?
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Why is the extreme issue with ICE only in one state?

Actually the policeman looked like he was hiding. And it was from quite a distance, you should watch the video for yourself. Being an unarmed woman in part of a group that is at a distance does not justify killing her.
No, he wasn't hiding. And protesters were calling that 'he has a gun'.

She was committing a crime, an actual crime. She was part of a mob that broke into the Capitol and headed to the Senate and House chambers with plans to disrupt the official certification of the race that Trump lost. They were at it for quite a while.
She ignored the shouted directions of the police and was going to climb through a window against police. Too bad she did not listen.

And no, it was not from 'quite a distance.' She collapsed right in front of the doors .
Look again:
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She was right up against the windows and door.
NOT 30 feet away.
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‘TERMINATED!’ Trump Calls to End FEMA and Let States Manage Disasters for ‘BIG SAVINGS’

3 big changes are proposed for FEMA. This is what experts really think of them

The final report is now expected in late March and could differ substantively from the December draft, although there have been no further public meetings of the council in the intervening months.

Proposal 1: Cut FEMA's staff by half​

In the draft report, responsibility for disasters would largely shift to states, which have long relied on the federal government to help survivors when a flood, hurricane or wildfire hits. FEMA's workforce, already hit hard by staff reductions since President Trump took office, would be cut in half, compared to its size at the end of the Biden administration.

"It's a lot more cost-effective to do that at the federal level," says Josh Morton, emergency management director for Saluda County, S.C., and president of the International Association of Emergency Managers. "If every state has to have their own individual assistance program and their own public assistance program on the scale that it takes to actually manage the funding post-disaster, you're talking about multiplying the cost by 50 because now every state is going to need just as robust of a team."

Proposal 2: Raise the bar for getting federal disaster aid​

When a severe disaster hits, billions of dollars can flow to states. Under the proposed changes, states would have a harder time qualifying for federal funds and would receive less when they do.

Proposal 3: Stop using damage costs to determine federal assistance​

Since FEMA was created by Congress nearly 50 years ago, the agency has operated under a simple principle: The more expensive the damage, the more federal money you get.

The council recommends that federal disaster assistance to local and state governments be determined by the conditions of the disaster itself. For example, whether the hurricane was a Category 1 storm versus a Category 4 storm, what magnitude the earthquake was, or how much rain fell to cause a subsequent flood.
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Trump Wins Again: Final Epstein Docs Nail Huge Dems, Dem Supporters, and Anti-Trumpers - Here Are the Top 7 (Plus 5 Smug Leftist Celebs

Here's the thing. Trump lies so much that AI quoting Trump really means nothing.

Plausible deniability is pretty much the ONLY defense that Trump can take. I mean, it could be that everyone in this adminstration wants sex traffickers to be protected and that is why these decisions are being made.

OR, it's possible that only ONE person wants to protect sex traffickers and he has a fair bit of power.

It's honestly hard to know whether ANYONE in this adminstration is at all interested in protecting young women; certainly nobody seems eager to prosecute people who attack them.
Heck, a good portion of the people in the Trump admin are in those files.
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Christian nationalist pastor McPherson: "Empathy is aligned with hell."

Yes.

Prior to the Fall salvation was unnecessary. After the Fall, man could not merit salvation. Only the God-Man could and did. “That which is not assumed is not healed (redeemed)” St, Gregory’s letter to Cledonius.

Lots of eastern patristic theology wouldn't portray salvation in that manner, as merely "plan B". For instance, eastern Christian theology doesn't consider Adam and Eve to have been created in perfection, because only God is perfect. This has far more consonance with actual Jewish theology and philosophy as well: creation, and human nature by consequence, isn't ruined, it's waiting to be fulfilled.
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Far-left group with foreign ties undermining US under guise of protest, report warns

More of an, "If you thought Nazis were bad, take a look at this communism thing over here." At least in Nazi Germany, people who fell into a certain racial/ethnic category were safe and lived happy lives. However, under communism, ironically a dictator posing to represent the people and maintaining that power through fear and violence, only the select elite class actually benefit from the suffering of all beneath them. Even then, after all means of self wealth generation is lost, they must then depend on other nations to keep them afloat.
You’re saying Nazism isn’t as bad as communism. When and for how long did you live under either system?
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Jim Banks Calls for Passage of SAVE America Act to Require Proof of Citizenship to Vote

The fact that out government is shut down again, is proof that we are in a broken society.
The society is fine, it’s the government that has an artificial overlay of politicians beholden to the donor-class and less beholden to the people who actually vote to keep them in office.

It turns out that “running the government like a business” doesn’t work.
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Why do we do things not written in the Bible?

Ah, no, they don’t, at most they establish a kind of pre-Chalcedonian aticle 28 status, but the absence of St. Athanasius and so on deprives the council of ecumenical status or authority
Ecumenical, there's that word again.

My point is who cares! Just because the East left doesn't negate the fact that the remaining Church Father said Rome is in charge.

And with regards to Chalcedon, I already showed that the East deferred to Rome and gave Pope Leo the final say. Using language portraying Leo as the "Head" and them as "children", it's obvious Rome was in charge.
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New Pastor - Advice?

Since this thread, I've learned about non-Christians joining churches so they can work from the inside to destroy it. Some report their success.

That does happen; it’s extremely rare however, for its more common for humans to succumb to the sinful passions and spiritual delusion (referred to as prelest by Eastern Christian theologians) than to execute grand designs of evil (even shockingly egregious cases such as the foundation of cults like the J/Ws were likely based more on prelest and passions such as pride rather than an intentional effort to lead Christians astray; likewise even in the case of monstrous heresiarchs such as Joseph Smith or Jim Jones, it appears that they believed their own nonsense and were highly delusional, as well as vainglorious).

That being said we do on rare occasions see people intentionally interfere with the operations of Christian churches; the recent disruption of a church in Minnesota on the unconfirmed rumor that the pastor was also an officer of a controversial law enforcement agency being one example of actual conspiracy against worship.

I would argue one of the largest-scale examples of an actual conspiracy to force a doctrinal change occurred in the case of the United Methodist Church, where after adoption of the Traditional Plan in 2018, people who disagreed with the established doctrine of the Church, which had always been its doctrine, rather than migrating over to another denomination that the UMC had entered into full communion with, such as the ELCA, decided to remain in order to change things, and went about this in a manner which is strange and unusual (I am unable to explain by what process an obvious majority vote in 2018 was changed into a minority vote in 2024; there is also the issue regarding the delay of the 2022 conference on the basis of Covid even though by that summer the pandemic crisis was regarded as being over for most Christians.

Now, to be clear, the Methodists doing this did so on the belief they were doing the right thing, and that traditional Methodist sexual morality was somehow opposed to the teachings of our Lord, or various other justifications; it was not, to be clear, an external conspiracy by atheists to attempt to destroy a denomination; this is less common, in part because most atheists just don’t care that much; it is much more likely for a church to be taken over by advocates of a change in doctrine than it is for a church to be taken over by those who wish to eradicate it.

Thanks for your question, I will try to outline the process we went through to the best of my ability:

The process first involved an interview with a pastoral search committee (made up on some board members, the interim pastor, and a couple people from the congregation). After this, we were selected from all the candidates that were interviewed to go for a weekend to the church and speak/meet the people (there were not multiple candidates selected to come and preach). During our weekend there, we met with the church board and were asked a variety of different questions/scenarios, but it was casual. We also had the opportunity to ask them any questions that we had. We were then introduced to the congregation on Sunday and had the chance to meet with people (although the week before we came, the church played a video of my speaking for the sermon that week). Directly after the Sunday service we were voted on by the congregation.

It was definitely quite the process and was not easy on the nerves lol. One thing I will say I am extremely happy for is that we are never voted on again by the church since we received the vote. I know of many churches where the pastor is a "term" position, meaning they are required to be voted on every 2 years! I can't imagine having to go through that process every two years. It is very interesting to see how this process is so different amongst churches (e.g., in some churches the board/district appoints a pastor).

I’m not a fan of this kind of ordination process, and the problems of avoiding this are one of the things that made me realize Congregationalism was not a great church polity; I have historic connections with Congregationalism and regarded it as acceptable in cases where another denomination was not serving a particular mission field, and justifiable from a Patristic perspective in that each diocese began with one congregation, albeit my view even while I was active in what is now an extremely left wing Congregationalist-related denomination, that it would have been ideal for bishops to be in charge of multiple parishes; I found myself not thrilled by the proliferation of megachurches with multiple campuses (the worst instance of this being Mars Hill in Seattle, where each satellite would play the sermon of Mark Driscoll, which was broadcasted or rather I think livestreamed from the main church using very hi-def video. I found this idea distressing; I believe each individual church ought to have a unique pastor, and that in the case of Mars Hill, what really existed was a diocese with parishes, albeit one in which the power of the de facto bishop was disproportionately immense (although some denominations give pastors once installed even more sweeping authority, such as the Calvary Chapel and the ”Moses model” of church polity, which resembles Congregationalism except that in the “Moses model” there is a lack of external oversight.

Now, to be clear, congregational polity churches are not the only ones to put clergy through the inferno of selection committees or equivalent processes; rather it simply seems like with Congregational churches this process is the hardest to avoid.
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The 5 Wildest Revelations From Wall Street Journal's Kristi Noem-Corey Lewandowski Exposé

In one instance, Noem “had to switch planes after a maintenance issue was discovered, but her blanket wasn’t moved to the second plane.” She is alleged to have tried to fire the Coast Guard pilot responsible for flying her, who was told to take a commercial flight home. The pilot was reinstated, though, after Noem and her team realized that they didn’t have another pilot to fly them home.

New details emerge about in-flight blow-up between Corey Lewandowski and pilot

Noem realized that she had left behind her personal items, including the blanket, while flying on the backup jet, and Lewandowski berated the flight staff and threatened to fire them for failing to grab them from the broken down craft, according to NBC's sources.

"The Coast Guard pilot came out of the cockpit to see what was happening," NBC reported, "and Lewandowski insisted the plane return to where the broken-down jet was located to collect the secretary’s items, the U.S. official, the current Coast Guard official and the former Coast Guard official said."

"When the pilot refused, Lewandowski announced the pilot was relieved of duty, according to the U.S. official, the current Coast Guard official and the former Coast official," the report added. "The pilot explained that if he was fired he would need to land the plane immediately while another pilot was found to continue the mission

Lewandowski ultimately backed down, as Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

Sure, fire a pilot midflight.
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How Long have Humans Lived on Earth?

Are you a banker
Scientist. In science, 800M is 800 million. 800K is 800 thousand. You often see paleontologists write something like "65MYA" for "sixty-five million years ago."

"M" is the Roman numeral for thousand.
When in science, do as the scientists do.
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US Factory Boom Disproportionately Favors Poorer Counties

The biggest winners of Biden’s green climate policies? Republicans.

More than three quarters of announced clean energy investments are in Republican districts​


Ford shuts down $5.8 billion factory just months after opening as 1,600 workers lose jobs and lash out at manufacturer

JUST four months after products started rolling off the production line, Ford has shut down a major factory leaving 1,600 out of work.

Ford blamed a decline or slower-than-anticipated demand for electric vehicles for the closure, highlighting Trump’s policy in his Big Beautiful Bill to end federal credits for buyers of EVs.

The President ended the $7,500 tax credits for new EV vehicles and $4,000 credits for used models as of September 30, 2025, which Ford said upended its plans.

A spokesperson for the manufacturer said that the change in policy “significantly disrupted its long-term strategy” and is partly to blame for the closure of the site, the Daily Mail reported.

“Those are 1,600 Kentuckians that lost their jobs solely because of Donald Trump pushing that big, ugly bill, eliminating the credits that had people interested and excited to buy EVs,” [Gov. Beshear] told the New York Times.

“I bet many, if not most, of them voted for him, and he basically fired them.”

Hardin County, where Glendale is, overwhelmingly supported Trump in 2024 with the Republican getting 64% of the vote.
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Miles Guo Arrested For Orchestrating Over $1 Billion Dollar Fraud Conspiracy (Trial set for April '24)

Then there is this previously mentioned group:
"The New Federal State of China (NFSC) is a political movement or lobby group created by Guo Wengui and Steve Bannon,"

New Federal State of China - Wikipedia

Which as noted was a sponsor of CPAC, but also is all over the indictment.

Worst personal bankruptcy ever — the yearslong ordeal that happens when a billionaire says he's worth $3,850

the ongoing Chapter 11 liquidation nightmare playing out as Guo sits in jail, awaiting sentencing on a billion-dollar fraud conspiracy.

Using social media and Mandarin-language music videos aimed at the international Chinese diaspora, Guo spent the next five years tricking thousands of adherents into pouring $1.3 billion into fraudulent investment and cryptocurrency schemes — all in the context of helping him overthrow the Chinese government.

[After moving his yacht out of US waters, he was hit with millions in court fines, and then declared bankruptcy.]

It took a Connecticut bankruptcy judge just four months to order that a trustee manage the Chapter 11 case she called "unusual, complicated, and often contentious."

At one early bankruptcy hearing, an attorney for the LLC behind the Gilded Age mansion argued it was the US headquarters of the New Federal State of China, of which Guo was president-in-waiting. Guo no more owns the 21-bedroom estate than President Biden owns the White House, the lawyer argued.

When a Delaware woman filed a $5,000 bankruptcy claim, Guo called her a "gangster" and a Communist spy on the social media platform Gettr. Six days later, a Guo supporter posted her ID on Gettr, showing her photo and home address.

The biggest delay is ongoing.

In one of his last acts of mischief before his arrest, Guo urged his followers to fill the bankruptcy docket with what the trustee, in a recent court filing, called "non-meritorious" debt claims designed "to introduce chaos into the claims process."

[The end goal seems to be to eat up the estate in lawyers' fees, and he's doing a pretty good job of it.]

On January 21, the trustee filed the bankruptcy's most recent balance sheet listing total receipts of $156 million, the amount recovered during four years of litigation and asset sales.

Disbursements from the estate total $77 million, including $70 million on court-approved legal and professional fees.

The bankruptcy remains in asset-recovery mode; no creditor has yet received compensation.
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Why do we do things not written in the Bible?

Paul and the other Scripture writers compare the process of salvation to an athletic track event. The difference between the two is that the race which results in winning the prize of eternal life is a life-long event.


The Great Christian Race

The prize: the crown of eternal life.
James 1:12


The entry fee is paid for us: Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on the cross pays our entry fee. Genesis 3:24, Romans 5:12


Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. (Jesus saves us as his gift to us.) 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Now that we are saved, we must do the good works that God has prepared for us to do in order to be judged "worthy" to inherit eternal life. Matthew 7:21, Matthew 12:50, Matthew 10:37-39, Luke 20:35, Colossians 1:9-10


Our entry is confirmed by our repentance (Acts 3:19, Acts 2:38) and our baptism as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 and Mark 16:15-16.


Now, we begin our race. We must finish our race in order to win the prize—eternal life with God in heaven.



1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Do you not know that in a race the runners all compete, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win it. 25 Athletes exercise self-control in all things; they do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable one. 26 So I do not run aimlessly, nor do I box as though beating the air, 27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith, who for the sake of the joy that was set before him endured the cross, disregarding its shame, and has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of God.

Galatians 5:5-8 For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love. 7 You were running well; who prevented you from obeying the truth? 8 Such persuasion does not come from the one who calls you.



Egregious sin causes us to stumble and fall. (Hebrews 10:26-27, 1 John 5:15-17) We must repent and confess these sins in order to continue our race. 1 John 1:9


2 Peter 1:4-11 Thus he has given us, through these things, his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of lust and may become participants of the divine nature. 5 For this very reason, you must make every effort to support your faith with excellence, and excellence with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with endurance, and endurance with godliness, 7 and godliness with mutual affection, and mutual affection with love. 8 For if these things are yours and are increasing among you, they keep you from being ineffective and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For anyone who lacks these things is blind, suffering from eye disease, forgetful of the cleansing of past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers and sisters, be all the more eager to confirm your call and election, for if you do this, you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly provided for you.


We must love God with our whole being and love our neighbors as ourselves in order to finish our race well.


Luke 10:25-28 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.”


Our death ends our race. Hebrews 9:27, Revelation 2:10


Matthew 25:21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a little, I will set you over much; enter into the joy of your master.’
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The Body Incorruptible

That being said from my perspective I am not convinced that quantum continuity is required for continuity of the identity of our bodies, since we routinely swap particles anyway. Our bodies are, with regards to their molecular composition, ships of Theseus, dependent on a continual inflow of oxygen, water and organic compounds while also continuing emitting carbon dioxide, water and other organic compounds as part of the ecological cycle wherein our excretion sustains flora, whose excretions sustain fauna (such an elegant design, the symbiosis between plants and animals being one of the great wonders of God’s creation).
Good point. At the molecular level, we are already not occupying the same physical body we were born into.

WHY WATER BAPTISIM HAD TO GO AWAY ??

Acts 2: 38 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Peter tells the audience “Repent and be baptized” and we agree that the person individually would have to do the “repenting”, so would the individual also have to be submitting to the baptism?

Only with water baptism would the individual be submitting to the baptism since Spiritual baptism is at the discretion of the Spirit Himself.

The whole sermon Pater is giving is way beyond his personal ability and is definitely inspired by the Spirit, so did Peter in the end just quench the Spirit and interject his own idea?
The message Peter gave at the temple area to the Jews was a true word but the words be baptized everyone of you, “in the make of a Jesus Christ,” is worth a comment.

First of all, it is no doubt the Jews were still coming out of the old covenant and temple system, in fact Peter was going to the Jewish temple that very day as were all other Jews there. So when Peter speaks of being immersed “in the name of Jesus Christ”, the words were right in the sense of being immersed “in” or as you said in can also be “into” ,the name (character power authority life etc) of Jesus Christ”, that being baptized into Jesus Christ by the Spirit is the one saving baptism. Not the old covenant water baptism that the Jewish disciples were most likely still following as they were still going to the temple and sacrificing animals and keeping he whole law and customs.

Consider animal sacrifices. which can typify Jesus death for sin We do not need to have them anymore they were shadows of the reality. But they were still doing animal sacrifices right up to Acts near the end of the book. I see this the same with the many “diverse washings and carnal ordinances” that God allowed them to do for a time, until or during the time of reformation. . But to be baptized into Jesus Christ is where we put on Christ. For it is by one Spirit that we are ALL baptized into one body.

So, to use the expression (immersed) into or in the name of Jesus Christ in reality is much more than a form of words in a ritual. We read in Colossians 3 that whatever we do in word or deed, to do all “in the name of Jesus Christ”. This does not mean that after every word we speak or every action we need to say verbally a form of words or ritual by saying “in the name of Jesus Christ”. No to be in the name is to be in the character and power of that name to be in Christ and He in us.

So it can also be shown clearly that Peter and the Jewish believers did struggle with the law and old covenant and sacrifices etc for a long time. Peter was told to preach the gospel to every creature but it took many, many, many years until Act 10 with a vision and God correcting him to actually go and preach to Gentiles.

Buy also Peter and otters may not have had certain things revealed yet and to go against your conscience and knowledge is not right. They were allowed in grace to be in the time of reformation and to come out as they had things revealed.

Jesus said he had many things to say into them and to judge of them but they were not able to hear them all how rot the Holy Ghost would guide them to all truth. And said believe zGof strongly used Paul and others in this matter as well.We can read this in Acts 15 etc .
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