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Israel-Hamas Thread II

In the Arab world, men are queuing up to volunteer to fight against Israel. Those who rape, take hostages and massacre people are not defending themselves, but are criminals. Anti-Semitism threatens us all. Congressman Chip Roy writes in The Federalist: 'Mamdani's rise signals that the Islamic revolution is reshaping the US.' This is a major strategic victory for the Islamic world in its war against the West. Muslim activists are thrilled that the city with the largest number of Jews outside Israel, has been conquered for Islam. They directly link this to the offensive they have launched against the Jewish world over the past two years by interpreting Israel's war of self-defence against Hamas as a global mobilisation of Muslims for jihad.

It is annoying to hear Trump and others in his administration dictating to Israel what it can and cannot do with Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It is understandable that Israelis feel betrayed by this, and so should every American believer who voted for Trump, at least in part because of his promise to be Israel's best friend.

Trump is treading on dangerous ground by demanding that Israel refrain from doing what is necessary for the security of its people, such as extending its sovereignty and disarming and dismantling Hamas.
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John Dee's letter;

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His letter even resides at the British Museum.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum, Cotton MS Vitellius C. VII, fols. 264-269
I don't dispute that he wrote the letter, or that it is now in the British Museum. What I was asking you was whether in the letter, Mercator actually claims to have visited the North Pole, or even the Arctic.
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Be Instructed Judah

The modern day nation of Israel is not the individual southern kingdom of Judah. Do a google search a map of the northern kingdom and southern kingdom. It is easy to see that modern day Israel is not the individual southern kingdom of Judah.
This assertion is ridiculous, as there is no requirement for the Jewish Israelis to be confined to the ancient borders of Judah. They actually fail to control the highlands of Judea and also Samaria, which are under the Palestine Authority.

Jeremiah 6:12, said to Judah: Your houses will be given to others. Jeremiah 8:10
I won't ask you who the 'others' are, as you wouldn't know. I'll tell you; They are the Christian peoples, gathered there soon after the Lord has cleared out all the ungodly neighbors and Judah too. Jeremiah 12:14.
THEN; Gods faithful Christian peoples, will inhabit not only all of the ancient tribal areas, but all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Fulfilling Gods Promise to the Patriarchs of their descendants; actual or Spiritual, being His witnesses and His Light to the nations.

It is time for all to see what God wants and how He plans to get it.
God does not forgive or redeem a people who have rejected Jesus for nearly 2000 years.
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When we were discussing Mercator some months ago, I remember pointing out that Mercator himself had never even been to the Arctic, so how could he have known about what was in the centre? All you could do in reply was point to a letter he wrote, but you were not able to provide a quote from the letter that stated he had actually visited Antarctica, or been to its centre.

John Dee's letter;

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His letter even resides at the British Museum.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum, Cotton MS Vitellius C. VII, fols. 264-269
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Hamas fighters trapped in the Israeli-controlled area of Rafah in the Gaza Strip refuse to surrender and are threatening to break the ceasefire. ‘The enemy must know that the concept of surrender and capitulation does not exist in the dictionary of the Al-Qassam Brigades,’ the armed wing of Hamas said on Sunday.

The radical Islamic "Palestinian" organisation called on the mediators to find a solution to ensure the continuation of the ceasefire and prevent Israel from exploiting the situation to attack innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip. In addition to the US, Egypt and Qatar have been the main mediators in the war, which has been going on for over two years.

On Thursday, the Reuters news agency learned from negotiating circles that Hamas fighters could lay down their weapons in exchange for safe passage to other areas of the Gaza Strip. Egyptian mediators had proposed that the approximately 200 fighters remaining in Rafah hand over their weapons to Egypt and disclose details about tunnels so that they could be destroyed.

US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff said on Thursday that the proposed agreement was a test for a more comprehensive process to disarm Hamas throughout the Gaza Strip.
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Do some religiosities originate in a flaw ?

I think the inverse exists too, that sometimes Christians overrate their strengths and they elevate their "goodness" to levels that are prideful
Thank you for your observation, Richard.
I agree with what you write, but i think too, many, may be most christians, manage to avoid pride, even when earning and bringing back many talents, and if they then meet someone that looks humble, for having buried his own ones, and returned only them, without having won another of them.
You see, i assume if much is required from the one that 's much been given, then, less too will be required from the one that's less been given. But this less however will be required too.
I suppose it's this ratio the servants have to evaluate if they want to compare their gains, and it's helpful for not boasting

it makes me wonder whether Jesus 'd rather see the servants compare themselves and accept their differences, or not compare themselves at all (?)
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So the Mercator's map were just made up ?

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The Mercator map was used as the standard for nautical navigation for centuries, from its creation in 1569 until the 1940s when atlases began to stop using it for world maps. It remains in use today for specific purposes, such as for areas near the equator or for digital maps, because its specific properties are still useful for navigation.
The bit in the Arctic was made up.
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Hear My Case

The Church Under Fire

Chapter Four

Hear My Case

May 27, 2023

I am now reading in Acts 25. The Apostle Paul was being held in custody under the authority of the governor Felix. And during this time, Felix would visit him on occasion and would listen to Paul sharing about his faith. And this went on for two years, and then Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus. And desiring to do the Jews a favor, Felix left Paul in prison (chapter 24).

Now Festus went to Jerusalem, and he listened to those who had a case against Paul. And those people urged Festus to summon Paul to Jerusalem, for they were still planning an ambush against Paul to kill him. But Festus said to the men, “Let the men of authority among you go down with me, and if there is anything wrong about the man, let them bring charges against him.” Then, after he had stayed among them for a little over a week, Festus went down to Caesarea where Paul was being held.

The next day Paul was brought before him, and the Jews from Jerusalem brought many and serious charges against Paul that they could not prove. And Paul was given the opportunity to argue in his own defense:

“’Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I committed any offense.’ But Festus, wishing to do the Jews a favor, said to Paul, ‘Do you wish to go up to Jerusalem and there be tried on these charges before me?’ But Paul said, ‘I am standing before Caesar's tribunal, where I ought to be tried. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you yourself know very well. If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death. But if there is nothing to their charges against me, no one can give me up to them. I appeal to Caesar.’” Acts 25:8-11 ESV

Now, I do not intend to go into all the history of this, for the Lord Jesus is having me make practical application of these passages of Scripture to our lives, to our world, and to our church today. And as of late he has been having me share some of my own experiences with church leadership accusing me falsely of what I did not do, and to share these experiences in order to illustrate the kinds of persecution we can expect to face today when we follow our Lord Jesus in obedience to his ways, and when we share the truth of the gospel with others, and when we do not dilute the truth in order to appeal to other humans.

Now, I don’t have an exact parallel to this story, but there are principles here that I have picked up on that do relate to situations I have experienced myself, such as a group of people being opposed to Paul, them appealing to someone in higher authority to take their side and to go against Paul, him having to defend himself against false and unkind accusations against his character, no one supporting him or taking his side, and then him having to appeal to a higher authority to hear his case.

Hear My Case

It was in the early 1990’s, and we were attending a church fellowship of a rather large church congregation. I loved the preaching. The preacher reminded me of my pastor of my youth. We loved our Sunday School class, too, and we enjoyed that teacher’s teaching. And I joined a small support group for women who had been hurt by others, and who needed healing. And I invited a friend to go with me, for she had many hurts from her past experiences. So this was to be a group that was supposed to help both of us to heal from past hurtful experiences.

Now my friend was very timid and shy, but she expressed to me that she did want to share something with the group, and she asked me for my help, and so I agreed to help her. And at the next meeting she began to share, and she started to chicken out, and so I encouraged her, as she had asked me to do. But at the next meeting a new rule had been added to the group that had my name written all over it, figuratively speaking here. For the new rule said something to the effect that if your friend is trying to say something that you should not try to help that friend. I felt so hurt!

No one had spoken to me about this. They just waited until the next meeting to announce the new rule that everyone in the group knew applied to me. So, I called the lady who headed up the group, and I expressed to her how that had hurt me, and I tried to explain to her that I was doing what my friend had asked me to do. But her response to me was hateful and harsh and accusatory, for she had concluded that I was being pushy or a bully or taking over or something like that, and she would not hear me out when I tried to give my own defense.

And remember here with me that this was a support group for people like me who were already hurting from other hurtful experiences, and these were people who were supposed to be helping me to heal. But she was treating me as though I was the enemy, and as though I had purposefully committed some horrible crime. And then she told me I needed to talk with one of the assistant pastors, and so I did, but he would not listen to me either. He then began accusing me sharply of attitudes I did not have and of deeds I did not commit. And even though I sat there in tears, appealing to him, he was hard as a rock and had no sympathy towards me whatsoever.

And I wish I could say this was the exception to the rule, but it is not. And I am not the only one being treated like this by church leadership, either. But this wasn’t just about me trying to help my friend. This was a deeper issue than that, I ascertained. For this assistant pastor, who I had never met before, was using terminology to accuse me that had much further implications than just that. So I believe the real issue was the kinds of things I was sharing in the group, as a whole, things which were from the Scriptures and not anything that should ever have been an issue.

Now, since this is not the only time I have faced such persecution as this, some people have suggested that I must, therefore, be the one at fault. Well, Paul faced a lot of persecution, and he was not the one at fault. And Job was accused by his friends of sinning as the reason for his suffering. But what my experiences symbolize, I believe, is the reality of where much of the church in America is today, where they are weeding out those who have strong convictions so that they can persuade the naïve with their lies without any hinderance from those who know better. And I hope you can see that.

For what I have experienced are the kinds of persecutions that others are experiencing who are serious about their walks with the Lord and who are walking in obedience to his commands. For today’s modern market-driven “churches” (businesses) leaders are being trained to weed out those with “strong convictions.” And this is because it appears that most of them are teaching lies. So, if you are facing such persecution as this, take courage. Just keep trusting the Lord, keep loving the people of God, and keep speaking the truth. For the days are evil, and our Lord will soon return.

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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Hear My Case
An Original Work / May 27, 2023
Reposted on November 10, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


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Exactly - Compasses don't work when it nears the magnet black rock which is under, so the compasses wants to point down but can't so it stops working.
But according to your sources, the "black rock" is huge and reaches beyond the clouds. This is the trouble with made up stuff. You can never keep the story straight and often contradict yourself.
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So the Mercator's map were just made up ?

AI
The Mercator map was used as the standard for nautical navigation for centuries, from its creation in 1569 until the 1940s when atlases began to stop using it for world maps. It remains in use today for specific purposes, such as for areas near the equator or for digital maps, because its specific properties are still useful for navigation.
When we were discussing Mercator some months ago, I remember pointing out that Mercator himself had never even been to the Arctic, so how could he have known about what was in the centre? All you could do in reply was point to a letter he wrote, but you were not able to provide a quote from the letter that stated he had actually visited Antarctica, or been to its centre.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

So your answer is again that I must produce the actual tools and/or device to prove the case. Is that right. It will not matter about other evidence that may show signatures of machining or any signature that contradicts the traditional method.

All that evidence becomes invalid because I cannot find the tools and/or device that made them.

Yet you just literally said my gun example was valid in working out that a gun made the hole without finding the gun.

But only for when a gun is involved because we know what guns are.

Your claim of ancient advanced tech is do extraordinary and outlandish that it cannot be compared to forensics for ballistics except only in the most purile and infantile way. The only way you'd be able to get anyone to accept your claims of ancient advanced technology would be to actually show said technology itself. As I have said multiple times on this thread. Your claim is just too outlandish.
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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive

Why bring him up? He's an awful human being but a brilliant businessman. How is that remotely relevant to Trump?
Because when he was doing DOGE we were told that he was a terrible businessman too, Tesla stock was overpriced, he didn’t have anything to do with building rockets,his employees were responsible for that, his rockets blew up all the time and in general that he wasn’t successful
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Yes really. That map of the Arctic was born out of imagination, not observation.

So the Mercator's map were just made up ?

AI
The Mercator map was used as the standard for nautical navigation for centuries, from its creation in 1569 until the 1940s when atlases began to stop using it for world maps. It remains in use today for specific purposes, such as for areas near the equator or for digital maps, because its specific properties are still useful for navigation.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

So is gerrymandering only disenfranchising voters when the other guy does it? Newsom may have won his measure, but he showed decidedly that he lacks integrity or principles.
I'm curious....does Texas governor Abbott also lack integrity or principles?

-- A2SG, or is he off the hook for....reasons?
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the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

It’s not irrelevant; US military power depends on global actions. You avoid discussing this because it would weaken your argument for military spending.
Yes, how could we blow up fishing narco-terrorist’s boats with a measly $600B defense budget?
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Exactly - Compasses don't work when it nears the magnet black rock which is under, so the compasses wants to point down but can't so it stops working.
No, not a black rock. But yes, the nearer one gets to the magnetic north pole, the more the compass needle tries to point downwards.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

So is gerrymandering only disenfranchising voters when the other guy does it? Newsom may have won his measure, but he showed decidedly that he lacks integrity or principles.
If someone smacks me in the head every time I walk into a bar and I do nothing, then he's going to keep doing it. I abhor violence but pretty soon in this situation, I'm going to punch him in the mouth to get him to stop. Only an idiot could acuse me of lacking integrity by doing that.

I mean, seriously?
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I didn't know, so I looked it up, and found this:

"Compasses don't work near the magnetic north pole because the Earth's magnetic field is nearly vertical, causing the needle to tilt and become unresponsive to horizontal direction. At the pole itself, the magnetic field lines are perpendicular to the surface, meaning there is no horizontal component for the needle to align with, so it points erratically or stays put.

Exactly - Compasses don't work when it nears the magnet black rock which is under, so the compasses wants to point down but can't so it stops working.
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