ThatRobGuy said:

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He musted have been respected enough back 2012 to be invited give a Ted Talk

According to ResearchGate his published works have been cited over 150 times, and I'm not aware of him being involved in any scandals or perceived scandals prior to the "Day of Absence" controversy.


Although, I'm not sure if a higher ranking on Scopus would've made a difference.

I'm sure we all remember what happened to this guy when he went against the grain on a different polarizing subject

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Meowzltov said:

I'm trying to figure out what point you are trying to make.

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Hentenza said:

What’s an adultist?

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Pommer said:

Dismissing evidence (studies) with an assertion “Your studies are fake”, should ought to be backed up with more than the assertion itself.

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Studyman said:

I understand how widespread the belief is that human souls are immortal. That every human is raised from the dead unto Eternal Life, and some burn forever, while others joy forever. And how many are taught by this world's religions that Matt. 25:46 proves this. I have come to believe a man should consider all that is written in Scriptures and would present more evidence from God's Word to more clearly understand His Truth. My hope is only that a man considers "all" that is actually written on the subject.

Matt. 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, "prepared for the devil and his angels":

So how does this work? Does the devil and it's angels die, then God raises them from the dead and they are given the right to the tree of life and have "put on immortality", and then thrown into this fire prepared for them?

I don't believe the Scriptures bear this doctrine out. satan was in the garden with Eve from the creation. Eve is dead, but satan isn't. In fact, according to what is written, satan and his angels have never died. There is not one place in the entire Bible that I can find, where it teaches that satan died. Not only was he alive at creation, but in Jesus time thousands of years later. And not only that, but when Jesus comes back, he is still alive. I believe the evidence shows that angels are immortal, including satan and his angels. While humans are not immortal as Adam and Eve, Noah and Abraham, Peter, James and John, my Dad and my Mom are all still dead and will remain in that condition unto Jesus comes back and raises them from the dead. And if HE doesn't come back soon, I will also die. And I will die in hope that HE will raise me from the dead and give me rights to the Tree of Life, that I might "put forth my hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever". As it is written.

In my understanding, this is why this "Fire" prepared as "punishment" for satan and his angels burns forever and ever, because they are immortal and cannot die, therefore, their punishment will never stop, the fire will never be quenched, the worm will never die. But for me, I am not immortal, both my body and soul can be destroyed, at least according to the Jesus "of the bible".

Jesus has already told us the fate that awaits immortal angels that sinned, which is the everlasting punishment of the lake of fire, specifically prepared for them..

But of Mortal Humans, Jesus said: Luke 3: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 8: 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall "die in your sins": for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall "die" in your sins.

Immortal satan and his immortal angels that reject Gods Words, with forever "Live" in their sins in the Lake of Fire prepared for them.

But mortal humans that reject God's Words, will die in their sins. They will be destroyed permanently.

2 Thess. 1: 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with "everlasting destruction" from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

So given all these Word's of the Christ, and a lot more that I didn't post because I don't want to write a book about it, given there is already one written, I believe everything Jesus teaches, including the verses below where HE tells us where unrepentant mortal humans are destroyed.

Matt. 25: 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into "life" eternal.

Matt. 13: 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; "so shall it be" in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

To believe the popular religious philosophy being promoted, I would have to ignore so much of the Holy scriptures, I would have to believe that all humans are raised from the dead, given the right to ""put forth their hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever", only to be cast into the Lake of Fire with immortal angels.

While I agree that "The Lord Jesus taught that eternal punishment in the lake of fire, " prepared for the devil and his angels:", according to His Own Words, "awaits Satan and sinners alike". It is clear that this eternal punishment will destroy the mortal human that is cast into it.

Because the wages of sin is "Death" for mortal humans who are cast into the fire of eternal punishment, prepared for the immortal angels.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

They dont defend them, they OBSTRUCT them!

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Oompa Loompa said:

Absolute morality is the ethical belief that certain actions are intrinsically right or wrong, regardless of context, culture, or circumstances. It asserts the existence of universal moral principles that apply to all people at all times without exceptions. This means that some moral rules or laws are unchanging and must be followed universally, no matter the situation or outcome.

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ThatRobGuy said:

You're missing out... That's what politically neutral (yet still very entertaining, but with some good life lessons) family programing should be.

We didn't need to know Danny Tanner's position on abortion, we didn't need to know Joey Gladstone's position on gay relationships, we didn't need to know Uncle Jesse's positions on gender identity.

Same with Family Matters... nobody cared what Carl Winslow's or Steve Urkel's positions were on those issues...

They appealed to concepts that were universally agreed upon.

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Fantine said:

I don't know the names of any of the Hamas leaders, but it is difficult to imagine any leaders more vicious, cruel, and bloodthirsty than the man indicted by the Hague for war crimes--PM Netanyahu.

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stevevw said:

I have Netflix and I agree there is a push by certain TV shows to promote trans ideas. But I havn't cancelled as I just avoid watching these. You can tell pretty quickly lol.

Its not just trans but also DEI. When I see a show that insists on representation every time of races or ethnic groups as characters. Or has females acting like males and even physically beating males and all that I switch off. I think it spoils the show. But the shows are never good. They lack any plot or substance as its more about the politics.

Its up to peoples choices. Though I disagree when its aimed at children and adolescents as I think they are more volnurable. BUt the trans issue is just one of many where young people are being subjected to inappropriate content. The media and tech age has opened a pandoras box.

In some ways this is the result of freedoms but freedoms gone mad. It seems to be the more equal and free as a society we have to allow even insane ideas for which most people know are unhealthy and not a good example. Which inevitably ends up with someone imposing their ideological beliefs.

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FireDragon76 said:

Scriptures, as they typically are read in western culture, are like reading about somebody, but a mystical experience are of a different kind: they typically do involve the perception of knowledge, just by their nature there is a noetic quality: often the experiences are "hyper-real" or "psychdelic". And usually difficult to describe or "ineffable". Often they are communicated in symbols or paradoxes and result in disorientation or reorientation in sense of self and personal narrative.

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chevyontheriver said:

Yes, of course I did. Why do you need to shut me up?

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chevyontheriver said:

At least you do leave a tiny bit of room for Tradition in addition to Scripture I guess, while silencing God in the here and now. That kind of was my point.

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Indentured Servant said:

These are manmade terms that depict concepts that even the human mind can't fully comprehend.

We shouldn't use them.

Thinking of God in these terms will usually lead to questioning God's intentions.

The most common result is asking why there is still evil in spite of the presence of God, why doesn't "omnipotent" God make it right, and other, similar questions.


Consider this:

Scripture tells us we will be refined, like silver.

What this means is that silver is not naturally pure... It naturally has imperfections that must be "burned out."

The product of this is called dross. Evil is the dross- It's the byproduct of refinement, or of making something pure.

God created life on a lifeless planet, using nonliving material to make a living being.

Naturally, to perfect His creation, He must refine it.

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Abraham1st said:

Adams offence was brought to all, otherwise why did all men sin, they all sinned because sin was in the world, which came by God giving commandment and by man disobeying it. The wages of sin/disobedience/transgression, are death. The disobedience came by the serpents beguiling, that it was a good idea to do what God had forbidden, and that they would not die for it. Not only they did die for it, but also all died for the same lack of obedience to God. But Go gave a way out, and Abraham received the promises, and the promise of the Spirit ( with which we can obey God) came, and eventually the promise was fulfilled with the faaith of Christ, but took HIs life, body and blood to redeem us back to God, which was acceptable to God and we are to present our lives and bodies as sacrifice to God also, which ios our reasonable service.

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HIM said:

As long a sin is in the world so is the Law. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. And the Law is for sinners, not the righteous.

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Abraham1st said:

There seems to be an omission of an important part in your summary. Noah is the heir of the righteousness, which is by faith, but there is a mystery involved, I will show it to all. Hebrews 11:7-8, is in the correct particular and linked order, because Noah has a covenant given to him and his seed after him, and that is to Abraham, who has the covenant with him and his seed after him.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.


So here below in Genesis 9, is the covenant with the seed after Noah.


Genesis 9:8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
9 AND I, BEHOLD I ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH YOU, and WITH YOUR SEED AFTER YOU;
10 AND WITH EVERY LIVING CREATURE THAT IS WITH YOU, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.
11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood TO DESTROY THE EARTH.
12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.



Here in Genesis 17, is the covenant, and it is again, with his seed after him. The covenant would be established with Isaac, THIS IS THE CRUCIAL PART, OF IN ISAAC SHALL YOUR SEED BE CALLED. ow the covenant is with Jacob, so the seed after them.


Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and WITH HIS SEED AFTER HIM.

Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.

Genesis 35:12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and TO THY SEED AFTER THEE will I give the land.



So who is that seed after Noah first of all, ( not heir of the righteousness which is by faith for nothing, but because of the covenant that said, with his seed after him) So it is the children of promise, as God gave promise to Abraham, of having his son Isaac with Sarah, and in Isaac the seed is called. One of Abrahams two sins was born after the flesh and not by promise, and that one persecutes the other. Then that one is cast out to not be heir with the free. The seed starting with Noah was Christ.


Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



Noah also had another testimony, of being the heir of the righteousness which is by faith, to be saved by water. Baptism also now saves us, saved by water again, and even by that heir of the righteousness, ( the son of the one born after the flesh shall not be heir) which is by faith, and the covenant with the seed after him ( which seed is Christ.) all is the answer of a good conscience toward God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.


1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.



So the part omitted, is what part Noah and Abraham are, not just people who believed in God/were given God's grace, but of the covenant God made/promises given and fulfilled in Christ...



Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

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1. Hebrews 11 and “heir of righteousness”
   • Noah is called “heir of the righteousness which is by faith” (Heb. 11:7).
   • Abraham, immediately following (v. 8), is shown as receiving the covenant promise of an inheritance.
   • The poster argues these are deliberately linked, not randomly arranged.
2. The Noahic Covenant
   • In Genesis 9, God establishes His covenant not just with Noah but also with “his seed after him.”
   • This “seed” is crucial — it anticipates a covenantal line beyond Noah himself.
3. The Abrahamic Covenant
   • In Genesis 17, God narrows the covenant: the covenant is not with all of Abraham’s descendants, but specifically through Isaac.
   • “In Isaac shall your seed be called” (Gen. 21:12) establishes election — the covenant will flow through promise, not flesh.
4. The Seed Defined
   • Paul in Romans 9 and Galatians 3 interprets this: the true “seed” is not all of Abraham’s physical children, but Christ Himself (Gal. 3:16).
   • Believers in Christ become “children of promise” like Isaac, not “children of the flesh” like Ishmael.
5. Theological Link Between Noah → Abraham → Christ
   • Noah was heir of righteousness by faith because he foreshadowed the covenant line.
   • Abraham received the covenant promise with his seed after him, culminating in Christ.
   • The covenant promise, carried from Noah to Abraham to Isaac to Jacob, ultimately points to Jesus as the fulfillment.
6. Baptism Typology
   • Noah’s salvation “through water” (1 Pet. 3:20–21) becomes a type of baptism, which is now fulfilled in Christ’s resurrection.
   • Just as Noah was saved by water through faith, Christians are saved through baptism — not as a ritual cleansing, but as participation in Christ’s death and resurrection.
7. Omitted Part in Summaries
   • Many summaries treat Noah and Abraham merely as individuals who had faith.
   • The poster insists the key is their place in the covenantal unfolding of God’s promises, which are confirmed and fulfilled in Christ (Rom. 15:8).