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Who then can be saved?

The gift of God received THRU FAITH. Not apart from faith.
Yes, but you falsy believe that you conjured up your faith while you were dead in your sin. There in lies the problem, you have nothing that you didn't receive from God. That includes "your faith", but you didn't make your faith it was given to you by God, so that you would believe the gospel when you hear it.

No natural man can believe, until God gives him the faith to believe. Do you believe this, please?
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

Your ignoring situational issues that could factor in.
No, I'm explaining them to you! An indefinite, assumed and possible threat a long way from the US versus a guaranteed and immediate threat.

If your president says he's going to kill these people then is it acceptable to blow up a truck crossing the Canadian border and kill everyone in it?
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Who then can be saved?

The words “if anyone” applies to everyone.

“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Yes Sir, "If anyone" does not mean "I command you to abide in Me", or I will burn you up. Can you see the problem with that theory, it just doesn't float.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

As usual you avoid the evidence. Just explain the signature. How was it made by the Egyptians. Not what you think is possible or not.

Pointing out that you have only claims and no evidence is not 'avoiding the evidence'. But the stone can easily be cut with a copper saw, sand, water, time and man power. Especially with the last two, anything is possible.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

You've got me there, but saying 'modern' is an INCREDIBLY loaded phrase to use with engineering, especially when it comes to stone masonry.
But if it looks like modern signatures how else can we describe it lol. Your denying the very word that helps describe exactly what it looks like. Even skeptics admitted this but said they were forgeries.
The same guy you used in your last thread and again with no reason at all to accept what he says apart from him being an Egyptian. Yawn...
And that hes a stone mason and has done this all his life and so did his father and they have an actual stone mason shop at the foot of the very place where these works are. So that he gew up among these works.

How is it you can reduce the clear evidence that this man knows what he is talking about. You asked for a stone mason and I gave you one. Now you just dismiss it as YAWN. Thats why I can't debate you as you just deny and ignore things.
Well, considering that fact that you ignore basic history and also ignore any evidence presented to you, along with going off half-baked claims from others... yes, I doubt very much.
Still waiting for the evidence from you. Still waiting for you to even acknowledge the evidence lol. Others have why not you. Just say they are modern forgeries. But don't pretend they don't exist.
Funny how the skeptic gets upset when someone's skeptical about them...



You do that: you just claim that they're out of place. No evidence to back up what you say, no reason why they're out of place apart from your incredulity.
How many times do I have to say this. The out of place works are the evidence. Just deal with the signatures. Do they look like modern signatures or not.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. All you're showing is a cut piece of stone, that's it.

Context matters. But since I've seen ancient stone cutting myself (ancient Greek not ancient Egyptian, but contemporary and thus no reason to assume they would be any different), and since I know how stone masonry works and developed (I like castles), I have no reason at all to accept anything you've claimed as factual or even evidence for your claim.
As usual you avoid the evidence. Just explain the signature. How was it made by the Egyptians. Not what you think is possible or not.
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Who then can be saved?

I believe in saved by faith.
OK, so now you have invented your own private, unbiblical version of the gospel. You won't find any such silly version of the gospel anywhere in the Bible.

I can't believe how brazen you are to reject and deny the truth of the gospel, which states (in order to promote your false unbiblical version.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved. But you say No that's wrong because I say "I'm saved by faith". Beggars belief.


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Heating up down under

The output change is in the range of tenths of a percent., maybe closer to around 1 tenth of a percent. The point is it isn't steady, and, as the hydrogen depletes will slowly grow hotter over just a few billion years before it becomes a red giant. At least, that's the current forecast, and no, that's not a joke.

My point in mentioning that is that it's not stable output. Someone with a keen eye might notice a difference in brightness of those old incandescent bulbs as voltage fluctuates within accepted levels. It's a slight change, but still a change. Even a slight change in solar output affects the energy a planet receives from the sun. It may be in the range of tenths of a percent, but it's still a change. It's not equilibrium.
Lets use the Tacoma bridge collapse as an analogy. The bridge represents the Earth and wind is the solar radiation reaching the Earth.
This is what happens when the bridge is in an unstable equilibrium.

Being a suspension bridge it was designed to be flexible and undergo slight movements to absorb and dissipate wind energy.
In this state the bridge was in a stable equilibrium where the bridge would react to varying winds speeds.
Unfortunately when the wind velocity reached 35 miles per hour it caused the bridge to vibrate at its resonance frequency creating an unstable equilibrium where movements in the bridge where amplified and the trigger point was reached when the bridge collapsed.
A new more stable equilibrium is what remains of the bridge.

One point of the analogy is when the wind speed was below 35 miles per hour the bridge reacted to different speeds but was still in a stable equilibrium.
Likewise if there was no AGW, the Earth would remain in a stable equilibrium even if the solar output varied slightly since the energy radiated back into space in the form of electromagnetic radiation would also change to the same degree as the solar output.
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Well it's not going to mention Antarctica specifically is it ?
So why did you quote the verse to support your idea that Antarctica is surrounded by a huge ice-wall? If, as we seem to agree, the verse is about all seas, why (in your view) is there an ice wall dividing the sea from Antarctica, but not a wall dividing the sea from Wales, or from South Devon, where I am?
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Clinic offering abortions beyond viability for 'any reason' is 'disappointing, but not surprising': pro-lifers

Former staffers at abortionist Warren Hern’s shuttered Boulder Abortion Clinic, which was renowned for performing third-trimester abortions, have launched a new facility that will perform abortions beyond the point of viability, for “any reason.”

RISE Collective, which stands for "Reproductive Health, Inclusive Care, Support and Empowerment," released a promotional video earlier this month, announcing that the clinic has started seeing clients and scheduling late-term abortions.

“At RISE Collective, we believe that any reason you have for needing abortion care is yours, and it is the right one,” the video states. “In Colorado, there are no restrictions on when you can receive care. But while the law is clear, access is not.”

Continued below.
This is precisely why overturning Roe vs Wade was a very bad idea. Both maternal and abortion deaths have risen substantially. But no one is talking about this. Are they?
The reversal of Roe v. Wade has created a fractured US, with some states like Colorado protecting abortion access, and others like Texas and Alabama enforcing near-total bans.
Contrary to the expected decline, the national number of abortions has soared by over 11% since 2020 (the latest comprehensive pre-Dobbs data), and the increase is closer to 20% in the two full years post-Dobbs, reaching the highest recorded level in over a decade! Meanwhile, in the states with bans, this has caused a public health crisis. Maternal and infant mortality rates are rising in states with bans, disproportionately affecting Black women.These laws are directly associated with a higher risk of death for mothers and infants and are causing dangerous delays in essential medical care for life-threatening pregnancy complications.

Lets us reason. There must be a better way.

Be blessed.
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

American farmers are hurting.


The president of the American Farm Bureau Federation warned the White House last week that more than half of U.S. farms are losing money, threatening small towns and rural economies.

Court records show farm bankruptcies in the 12 months ending in June were up 56% from the previous year. And that ominous trend has continued.

"We had five new farm cases in two weeks," says Joseph Peiffer, an attorney who helps farmers file for bankruptcy in Illinois, Iowa and Missouri. "That's astonishing. Shocking. And we're getting additional calls all the time."
It is here that I strongly agree with you.

The farmer, especially the non-corporate farmer, is being hurt.

Tariffs are really, really bad for farmers.

That being said, we need a revamp of our policies and regulations with regard to Agriculture (and water use).
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

So what word do you suggest that will capture that these witness marks are like some sort of machining. But not necessarily modern like machines.

You've got me there, but saying 'modern' is an INCREDIBLY loaded phrase to use with engineering, especially when it comes to stone masonry.

well the most well known is Yousef Awyan. Born and raised and still lived only a few hundred meters from the Sphinx. A stone mason by trade who makes pretty good vases in the traditional ways. But uses an angle grinder lol. His father Abd’El Hakim Awyan,is a well know Egyptologist and keeper of Egyptian heritage.

Yousef shakes his head in amazement at how the ancients could have achieved these works. But he also defends that the Egyptians did have advanced knowledge we don't understand. All Egyptians do. All ancient cultures believe their ancestors held great knowledge that was lost. Why deny them.

https://www.everand.com/podcast/418261755/Yousef-Awyan-Megalithic-Lords-of-Ancient-Egypt-Yousef-Abd-el-Hakim-Awyan-Khemit-School-Co-Director-Researcher-Speaker-Stone-Mason-Artist-and-M
Excuse the host of the video but he doesn't get involved. This is a good intro to Yousef and his family business at the foot of the pyramids working as stone masons for generations now. He shows his workshop and touches on stone methods. If anyone knows stone masonary and Egyptian hertiage its Yousef and his family.

Meeting Yousef Awyan & Family in the Khemit Shop at Giza ...

The same guy you used in your last thread and again with no reason at all to accept what he says apart from him being an Egyptian. Yawn...

You very much doubt I have. And what evidenece do you have for this. Just more opinion lol.

Well, considering that fact that you ignore basic history and also ignore any evidence presented to you, along with going off half-baked claims from others... yes, I doubt very much.

Funny how the skeptic gets upset when someone's skeptical about them...

What do you mean just claiming they are out of place without evidence. The out of place examples are the evidence lol.

You do that: you just claim that they're out of place. No evidence to back up what you say, no reason why they're out of place apart from your incredulity.

Lets break this down. First do you disagree or disagree that at least there are some out of place signatures. Or at least they look more like machine cuts than by hand saw. The images I linked. For example

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Does this look more like a modern cut or one with a copper saw and abrasion.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. All you're showing is a cut piece of stone, that's it.

Context matters. But since I've seen ancient stone cutting myself (ancient Greek not ancient Egyptian, but contemporary and thus no reason to assume they would be any different), and since I know how stone masonry works and developed (I like castles), I have no reason at all to accept anything you've claimed as factual or even evidence for your claim.
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

Virginia’s GDP growth drops from 6.2% to 1.7%. Three new economic reports issue warnings about why and what comes next.

The reports also suggest the state may be losing high-wage jobs but gaining lower-wage jobs.


Three new economic reports that came out last week suggest that Virginia’s next governor is going to have to spend a lot of her time dealing with a sluggish economy.

The state’s two largest metro areas — read: Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads, the state’s largest economic engines — are now losing jobs.
Virginia’s economic growth is now among the lowest in the country and is projected to remain slow through at least the first two years of the next governor’s term.

Unemployment is rising statewide and is projected to keep rising in 2026.
The three reports come from the Brookings Institution, Old Dominion University’s Dragas Center for Economic Analysis and Policy and the University of Virginia’s Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service. All three cite the same thing for this sour economic outlook — President Donald Trump’s policies, which have reduced federal employment and increased tariffs, both of which have hit Virginia uniquely hard because many of Virginia’s jobs have been tied to the federal government and beyond that the state has a trade-based economy
The government is downsizing.

VA will lose lots of jobs (MD too)
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Oh sorry - I thought you were on about the proverbs verse.
That was in my post where I answered yours which included a Proverbs reference. In a separate post, I replied to your post which included a picture of a light shining on a ball, and another of the sun shining on the sea.
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Not Woke! Awakened! A Welcome Event

Even that article doesn't prove hes s fascist. There are words like can, or words like I believe. But nothing listed that is actually facistic. I believe one thing mentioned was the Supreme Court, something presidents have been doing for ever. I suppose they were all facists? No real evidence at all.
Nobody has done what Trump has done. He has pardoned his friends and tried to jail his enemies. No President has ignored the law in ways Trump has.
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Who then can be saved?

“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

We’re not talking about works based salvation we’re talking about eternal security so try to stay on topic.
No, they never truly believed. Yes they made a public profession of faith and walked down the isle, but they were never inwardly converted.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Then stop using the word 'modern' then.
So what word do you suggest that will capture that these witness marks are like some sort of machining. But not necessarily modern like machines.
Evidence? Quote someone then.
well the most well known is Yousef Awyan. Born and raised and still lived only a few hundred meters from the Sphinx. A stone mason by trade who makes pretty good vases in the traditional ways. But uses an angle grinder lol. His father Abd’El Hakim Awyan,is a well know Egyptologist and keeper of Egyptian heritage.

Yousef shakes his head in amazement at how the ancients could have achieved these works. But he also defends that the Egyptians did have advanced knowledge we don't understand. All Egyptians do. All ancient cultures believe their ancestors held great knowledge that was lost. Why deny them.


Excuse the host of the video but he doesn't get involved. This is a good intro to Yousef and his family business at the foot of the pyramids working as stone masons for generations now. He shows his workshop and touches on stone methods. If anyone knows stone masonary and Egyptian hertiage its Yousef and his family.

Meeting Yousef Awyan & Family in the Khemit Shop at Giza ...
Yes, I very much doubt that you have. You just claiming that they are out of place is not evidence for them being out of place nor evidence for anything else, except for showing your own personal incredulity on the matter.
You very much doubt I have. And what evidenece do you have for this. Just more opinion lol.

What do you mean just claiming they are out of place without evidence. The out of place examples are the evidence lol.

Lets break this down. First do you disagree or disagree that at least there are some out of place signatures. Or at least they look more like machine cuts than by hand saw. The images I linked. For example

1761309679841.png


Does this look more like a modern cut or one with a copper saw and abrasion. How would they create the arc and fine lip of the cut. The arc lip is thinner than a copper saw blade let alone the abrasion and grinding which would not create a fine and sharp lip.

Did Ancient Egyptians Actually Use Giant Saws??

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What I meant in my post was that the picture on the right showed the sun shining on to water, whereas the picture on the left showed a light shining on to a ball with no water on it. I believe that makes the difference in the way the light is reflected on the two.

Oh sorry - I thought you were on about the proverbs verse.
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

Allegedly anonymous sources say that the "ballroom" is really going to be a hangar for Trump's shiny new 747 jet from Qatar.

But only when UFC Octagon matches aren't being held there.
Don't be silly, that's the plan. For the west wing.
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Who then can be saved?

Ok so you’re saying that everyone came to Christ before creation? So Paul was a Christian before the road to Damascus while he was persecuting Christians? Were you born a believer?
I'm not saying anything of the sort, and it's obvious to me that your difficulty in understanding the doctrine of predestination to salvation, stems from your failure to distinguish our view and Gods view.

We have a very narrow view of time and space, but God sees the whole of time, from the begging to the end in present moment. We can only see now and we can remember some of what happened in the past.

So, we cannot pretend to be a a level playing field with God. He knows everything at once, He sees everything at once, He ordained all things that come to pass and the list goes on endlessly. So it's futile to compare our knowledge and understanding to God, yet most Christians d it without giving it a second taught, then they wonder why their theology is so messed up.

God's ways are infinitely higher than ours, His ways are past finding out, so attempting to figure out why God does what he does, ,is a futile exercise. Our part is to trust and obey Him, and let Him rule the universe as He always has., I used to wreck my head, trying to make sense of everything God does. I had no peace until I surrendered and let Him run the show.
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Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do your will O God=The law and the prophets.

UNSTABLE PEOPLE MAY NOT READ ALL THAT THE ANSWERS SAY, OR THE THREADS RELATE, THAT I HAVE GIVEN, BUT THEY SHOW QUICK EASY ANSWERS TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT VERY SURE WHAT THE LAW WAS, AND ISNT ANY MORE.

SO I CAN AND DO, TAKE MY PICK FROM ALL THE VAST WEALTH OF INSTANT ANSWERS PREPARED AND READY NOW, QUITE A LOT ARE TOGETHER RIGHT IN THIS THREAD, CONVENIENTLY FOR ANYONE TO SEE.
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