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Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-04T01:41:34-0600

“Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.” (2 Corinthians 3:12-18 NASB1995)

People tell lies. Husbands lie to their wives. Wives lie to their husbands. Parents lie to their children, and children lie to their parents. Bosses lie to their employees, and employees lie to their bosses. Pastors lie to their congregations, and the congregants lie to their pastors. And government heads lie to their citizens and the citizens pass along the lies from their government heads to the other citizens. And not everyone lies, but it seems today that lying has become epidemic in our culture, and considered normal.

Those today with hardhearted hearts and minds, who refuse to bow in submission to the Lord in humble surrender of their lives over to the Lord, and who hold on to their sinful addictions, and who will not let go of them, are like the majority of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness who God then put to death. For God gave them many instructions, and many warnings, and many opportunities to repent and to obey him, but they refused, and they continued to keep on in their sin despite God’s word.

Not only do they hold on to their sin and they refuse to repent of their sins, but then some of them lie about it, and they pretend that they have repented and that they are now walking in freedom from their sinful addictions. For, because of their pride, they don’t want to admit that they keep sinning. And because of their pride they also do not want to let go of their sin. So they continue to be malicious, morally unclean, deceivers, liars, manipulators, and opportunists who fake their Christianity and repentance.

And liars exist in all walks of life, but the ones with the most power and with the most influence are the most dangerous, because they have the most power and control over the people. And many people are believing and following after and repeating their lies. And I see preachers, the media, and government heads as the ones with the most power of persuasion over the people. And so many of them are arrogant and have a false sense of security that they are untouchable, and that no one can stop them from their crimes.

Don’t put your trust in pastors to tell you the truth. Don’t put your trust in the news media to tell you the truth, either. And don’t put your trust in the government, thinking that they are telling you the truth. And definitely don’t trust in political parties or church denominations to feed you the truth and not the lies. Be people of God, if you believe in Jesus, who get your truth from the Scriptures. And make sure that you read them in their full context so that you get the truth and don’t believe the popular lies being spread.

So, what is the solution for hardened hearts and lying tongues and people given over to evil and to wickedness in rebellion against the Lord? The only solution is the way of the cross of Christ. By faith in Jesus Christ we are crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as servants of righteousness, as we submit to the Lordship of Christ and we choose to obey his commands, by his grace, and in his power, and not of human flesh.

And when we turn to the Lord in true repentance, and we die to sin, and we now choose to obey him and his commands, in submission to him as Lord, in his power, then the Lord transforms us to his likeness. And the liberty we have in Christ Jesus is not liberty to keep on in addictive sin, but it is freedom from addiction to sin so that we can now walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, and now serve him with our lives, in his power. Only through submission to Jesus as Lord can any of us be free from sin.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

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Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
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Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
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David Lamb · 2025-11-04T01:41:15-0600

Apple Sky said:
From Dover you can see France & you can see it all, from the bottom up. France is about 21 miles and if the curvature is 8" per mile the drop should 14 feet & it's not.

Yes, on a clear day you can see France from Dover, but you still haven't explained why, if the earth is flat, I can't see France from the South Devon coast. If the earth were flat, the surface would have no curvature, would it, so I should be able to see France on a clear day. The fact that I can't, even with binoculars, is clear evidence that the earth is a globe, and not a flat disc.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-04T01:39:48-0600

A2SG said:
Maybe do a little song and dance too, just to prove their worthiness.

-- A2SG, boy the way Glenn Miller played.....

Sure. Otherwise, why else should they get an actual job to feed their families? It would be in everyone's best interest if they actually wanted to divorce themselves from the government and actually try to sustain themselves.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T01:36:16-0600

David Lamb said:
If the earth were as flat as a pancake, I should, on a clear day, be able easily to see France from my living room window. The fact that I cannot see France, even with binoculars, fits with the earth being a sphere.

From Dover you can see France & you can see it all, from the bottom up. France is about 21 miles and if the curvature is 8" per mile the drop should 14 feet & it's not.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-04T01:35:08-0600

FreeinChrist said:
The 60 minutes interview was one of confabulation or lies, or evidence of cognitive decline. He denies knowing anything about the pardon of Changpeng Zhao, the billionaire owner of Binance which means he was either lying, or confused, or he is letting other people sign his name (autopen) who are doing things without his knowledge.

But there is more. Here is some fact checking:

Factchecking Trump on '60 Minutes'

Mehdi debunks the president's lies, unpacks the failure of our mainstream media, and has the latest from Gaza, as well as Trump's 'Great Gatsby'-esque Halloween party.

zeteo.com

Here’s what I did manage to catch, in terms of brazen lies, all of which were left unrebutted, uncorrected, unchallenged, by O’Donnell:

“We had nine wars on our planet. I solved eight of ‘em.” I have debunked this nonsensical claim before.

“We have no inflation.” Inflation is at 3%.

“It’s at 2%. It’s-- it’s the perfect inflation.” Inflation is at 3%.

“Right now [grocery prices are] going down.” Grocery prices are up 1.4% since Trump came to office.

“A year ago, we were a dead country.” Not only did the US have the fastest-growing economy in the G7 in both 2023 and 2024, but the Economist magazine called it “the envy of the world.”

“11,888 murderers were let into our country.” Not only is this number inaccurate, but many of the non-citizens convicted of homicide either here or abroad came in during Trump’s first term.

“Washington, DC, was… almost like a crime capital of the world.” In 2023, per PolitiFact, “at least 49 other cities in the world had higher homicide rates.

“[Biden] hardly went anywhere. Guy couldn’t leave his bedroom.” Not only did Joe Biden visit roughly as many countries in his term of office as Trump did in his first term, but Biden was the first US president to visit an active warzone – Ukraine – not under the control of US forces.

“I made Middle East peace. For 3,000 years, they couldn’t do it.” There is no peace in Palestine, no peace deal in place, and it isn’t a 3,000-year-old conflict.

“Communist, not socialist. Communist. He’s far worse than a socialist.” Zohran Mamdani is not a communist.

“I can’t give them $1.5 trillion so that they can give welfare to people that came into our country illegally.” The Trump/GOP claim that Democrats want to give free healthcare to undocumented immigrants has been repeatedly debunked.

“They emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylums-- into the United States of America.” Asylum seekers don’t come from “insane asylums.” Obviously.

The interview was edited far more than the interview with Kamala Harris, and he lied about the edits that were made.
But apparently, he's special.

I am not even going to watch the interview because I already know it was cut and edited to make Trump look just as bad as they did, trying to prop Kamala Harris up to make her look good.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-04T01:20:18-0600

Simplest way to fix this without relying on analogy: find the supposed advanced tech that is claimed to have been used.

Simple as.

Lukaris · 2025-11-04T01:19:42-0600

I believe Jews recognize that there is a universal law that was given to Noah. It is said to be implicit in Genesis 9:1-17 and some even agree that Jesus and Paul were preaching a universal moral law for the Gentiles ( matched with Matthew 9:16-19, Romans 13:8-10! etc.). There is overlap with the 10 commandments obviously here ( Deuteronomy 5:11-21, Exodus 20:1-17).

The concept of the universal law given to Noah:

Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The view of 17th c. Jewish theologian, Jacob Emden:

https://eweb.furman.edu/~ateipen/ReligionA45/Emden.html

Views like those of Emden claim that Jesus and Paul were not evangelizing the Jews but were preaching a compatible but distinct moral law given to Noah to the Gentiles. Of course, I disagree in that the Gospel was preached to everyone ( Romans 1:16-17 etc.).

Nonetheless, I do believe Emden’s attitude was clearly an example of the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12, especially Matthew 7:12) which the Lord says is the law and prophets. I also believe St. Paul is mentioning this in Romans 3:21-25 as what is necessary for us as sinners to realize & do when receiving the Gospel and to preach it.

I believe Emden’s view fails to see the evangelical basis of the Gospel but rightly, inadvertently or not, convicts antisemitism. Emden has the right view of the law & prophets ( the golden rule) but lacks the Gospel. On the other hand, the golden rule has often been neglected when the Gospel was preached to nonbelievers.

Probably it can be argued that the Jews preserved the moral law when the 10 commandments were given to Moses. The moral law didn’t disappear among the Gentiles at various individual levels ( Romans 2:1-16) but St. Paul previously noted that on the larger social level, it was a shambles ( Romans 1:18-25).

Bradskii · 2025-11-04T01:12:50-0600

Fervent said:
Not at all, you're just operating on a false premise that the only ethical structure that can be absolute is deontological ethics.

Yet again, I don't care what 'ethical structure' you use or you think is valid. I just want you to answer the question. I know why you won't and you know that I know. It's why I keep asking it.

Bradskii · 2025-11-04T01:08:06-0600

Fervent said:
You're clearly leaving out a major element in my view. I don't pretend that I know right from wrong...

But you claim to. If you are asked a question on a simple moral matter then you don't shrug your shoulders and say that you really don't know right from wrong. You have an opinion. However it is generated. You declare a position, however it is come by. You look at the circumstances and make a decision that it seems wrong to you or right. Or that it is most definutely wrong or right. Whatever means you used to reach that position.

Everyone does this. And everyone can tell you on what basis they reach their conclusion. Saying that you 'don't pretend to know right from wrong' after declaiming that everyone else is doing it wrong is a cop out. You've just said the equivalent of 'You're doing it wrong but I don't know how to do it myself'.

Fervent said:
And you continue to push the error of deontological ethics despite me pointing out that it is an error at least 4 times in direct reference to your question, and multiple times previously. It's not that I think there are exemptions to otherwise fixed rules, but that the whole idea that ethics is a "rule" based system is off base.

That is completely irrelevant to you answering the question. So you're saying that there are no hard and fast rules - which won't come as a surprise because it'swhat I've been trying to tell you for a very long time. That does not mean that moral questions are unanswerable. The ones I'm asking aren't. They are blazingly simple. Except that to answer them it shows that it's YOU making the decision. And for some bizarre reason you don't want to do that.

Fervent said:
Again, your question isn't really relevant to the ethical structure I use and believe to be the structure found in the Bible. You're tilting at a windmill that doesn't exist.

Again, I don't care what 'ethical structure' you use. Whatever it is, I want you to give me what you think is the right answer.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T01:07:07-0600

Wasn't that their gambling table ?

David Lamb · 2025-11-04T01:06:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
Even so, it's all flat as a pancake, is it not ?

If the earth were as flat as a pancake, I should, on a clear day, be able easily to see France from my living room window. The fact that I cannot see France, even with binoculars, fits with the earth being a sphere.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-04T00:49:29-0600

prodromos said:
What nonsense. He claims he can see three times beyond where the horizon should be from 15000' above Santa Barbara, yet it is clear that he can't see anything beyond Mt San Jacinto which matches the globe prediction. Gotta lie to flerf.

He claims to identify certain landmarks but there is no way to verify if they are what he claims, nor does he provide any topographical reference for the mountain ranges. He simply claims he can see into Colorado but can't actually give any landmarks in Colorado to confirm his claims. It's all just his subjective opinion.

Even so, it's all flat as a pancake, is it not ?

stevevw · 2025-11-04T00:48:03-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
If all they find is a hole without any other circumstantial evidence (no location specified, no unburnt powder, no metallurgical findings in the hole, no reports of gunfire from the location etc), how would they determine that it was caused by a bullet in the first place?

Well obviously if its a bullet hole theres going to be more than just the bullet hole. Depending on what it hit. If its glass then say no more. If its a wall then its pretty obvious as well. Or a body. It went through the body. They will find markers. They can do tests to find the residues in the hole. Sometimes dependning on the hole they can tell the bullet itself and the specific gun used.

But its not limited to bullet holes. I am saying that forensics can tell a lot about what happened without seeing the incident or finding everything associated. Or analysing the marks on an object, ie strirations, geometry, sharp angles, circularity, metals within the surface from the tools used ect which can tell us what was the possible method without finding the method.

Stopped_lurking said:
And to make the point about provenance clear, what if they found the hole in a piece of wall in the hands of a unrelated collector 5000 years after the supposed shooting had taken place? To me, that is just a hole.

Yes this is a common objection when some see the modern looking signatures that they may have been made 1,000s of years later. But the same can be said for finding a site that is claimed to be 3,500 years old that may be 5,000 years old. If you can't tell one way then you can't tell the other.

But I think we can. Once again the signatures. Its possible within the signatures to even tell the bullet and gun type depending on the situation as mentioned above. They do dig up bodies in cold cases and determine the cause of death. Look what happened with JFK and Kirk. Everyone is focusing on the markers of trajectories, wounds, ect as to even what sort of gun and bullet was used.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-04T00:48:02-0600

stevevw said:
Its possible that there was a more sophisticated way of lathing or maching or producing the works that would also leave nothing in the records.

Possible but not necessary.

stevevw said:
But is that not exactly what some are saying about a more sophisticated method. Whether that be a sophisticated lathe or some other outside the box method such as stone softening. Skeptics on this thread have said exactly that. That any suggestion of such ideas are whacko and impossible.

If you really think we should have an open mind to various possibilities then the skeptics are not applying the same standards.

But we can also determine some possibilities more than others. Like for example that the precision is at least high enough in circularity and symmetry to say it was lathed rather than chiseled or pounded and rubbed into precision. Most people have acknowledged this.

Likewise we can determine the level of sophistication in that lathe or method that demanded certain features like a very stable and fixed cutting point that enabled uniform curves and lines or flat surfaces. Many experts have mentioned this and that is exactly what I am doing.

The difference is when you say some rudimentary lathe or method was used people never then back this up with the evidence. They just assume this because they have to find some way that is primitive to match that time and yet achieve such signatures.

That seems to be the best position to take in the absence of evidence one way or the other and it is at least theoretically possible to build a turning machine with the tools and skills we know they had. You know, "primitive" tools like hammers, saws, chisels, drills, files and the like.

stevevw said:
But when we actually look at what signatures are caused by such methods we see different signatures. Like the hand made vases in the tests. They were in the imprecise class and the fact that one of the vases came close was because of the intrioduction of modern tech in a stable turning wheel that allow such precision.

No wheel is necessary. The precision of between centers turning depends only on the rigidity of the structure.

stevevw said:
When we look at the bore stick method we see a different signature again. When we look at copper saw cuts we see a different signature to many of the cuts. We can determine pretty close to what sort of tech was required and they don't match. Simple as that.

Don't match what?

9Rock9 · 2025-11-04T00:40:13-0600

Reluctant Theologian said:
The question needs further detail; are you inquiring about:

the inerrancy of a particular Bible translation?

the inerrancy of the current best-reconstructed text Hebrew + Greek text (e.g. NA28) of both the TNK/OT and NT books? (and what version of the Bible book collection, the Roman Catholic, the Orthodox or the Protestant one? - all with a different number of books)

the inerrancy of particular extant manuscripts?

the inerrancy of the original autographs?

As you might expect I don't believe in the first four (as their is sufficient variation among manuscripts to not be able to comfortably claim/believe in inerrancy; and the Bible itself does not necessitate that) - possibly for the last one (the original autographs) but as we don't have access to these anymore that is impossible to check.

The verses @eleos1954 quoted by themselves are not logical proof that the current Protestant Bible book collection in their current best-reconstructed Hebrew or Greek Text, nor even for the originals, are inerrant. When 2 Timothy and 2 Peter were written the NT didn't even exist yet, so these texts cannot possibly refer to themselves or to the future NT collection; these texts refer to what was regarded scripture in these days: the TNK/OT (but about 50% of the TNK/OT citations in the NT are from the LXX/70 translation which contained the Deuterocanonical books a Protestant Bible now omits). Nowadays there is even scholarly consensus 2 Peter was not written by the Apostle Peter. Revelation warns against adding/take away from its text, but of course that applies to the book of Revelation - the NT didn't exist yet.

My personal view is very similar to that of the great 20st century CE apologist CS Lewis (Wikipedia): the Bible itself may not be the literal inerrant Word of God, but Christ is .. and we can find the Word of God in and through the Bible. Every word spoken/prophecy directly by God is inerrant of course, but the remaining copy or translation of that after thousands of years may not be inerrant.

My faith is not based on the assumption of inerrancy of a particular manuscript or translation - it's based on the truth of God's revelation through the whole Bible collection as it presents itself - the text is sufficiently reliable to trust the big picture and even smaller details. My Theolology or Christology is not liberal/progressive at all, even Charismatic to some degree - living out my faith in obedience to God is my greatest joy.

It's relatively easy to pinpoint a particular inconsistency in the best manuscripts we have - if your faith depends on inerrancy you would have to jump through hoops of forced readings or fancy interpretations to 'explain' it away. These forced/creative explanations don't really do apologetics a favour when discussing with Atheists, Jews or Muslims.

I think I kinda agree with this.

I no longer accept verbal plenary inspiration, but I do think the Bible is infallible because of dynamic inspiration.

I accept the Bible might not be 100% literally true on matters of science and faith. Not that it contradicts those fields per se, but rather the Bible was written in away the intended audience could understand, and the theological point is often more important than the scientific or historical aspect.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-04T00:36:06-0600

rebornfree said:
Oh no, they are already suffering so much. They are #7 on the Open Doors watchlist of countries where persecution of Christians is greatest, and there are twice the number of Christians killed, for their faith, there than in the rest of the world combined.

I think it's great that Trump wants to do something but maybe encouraging the Nigerian government to crack down on the groups persecuting the Christians would be better.

Perhaps it would help other religious groups which are being persecuted there as well--not that we care.

stevevw · 2025-11-04T00:35:12-0600

BCP1928 said:
You might not ever find one even if they had any. It is entirely possible to build a stone-cutting lathe with no moving parts that would leave little or nothing in the archaeological record.

Its possible that there was a more sophisticated way of lathing or maching or producing the works that would also leave nothing in the records.

BCP1928 said:
Did they do that? I have no idea, but to say that it is impossible as adamantly as you do is just illogical foolishness.

But is that not exactly what some are saying about a more sophisticated method. Whether that be a sophisticated lathe or some other outside the box method such as stone softening. Skeptics on this thread have said exactly that. That any suggestion of such ideas are whacko and impossible,

If you really think we should have an open mind to various possibilities then the skeptics are not applying the same standards.

But we can also determine some possibilities more than others. Like for example that the precision is at least high enough in circularity and symmetry to say it was lathed rather than chiseled or pounded and rubbed into precision. Most people have acknowledged this.

Likewise we can determine the level of sophistication in that lathe or method that demanded certain features like a very stable and fixed cutting point that enabled uniform curves and lines or flat surfaces. Many experts have mentioned this and that is exactly what I am doing.

The difference is when you say some rudimentary lathe or method was used people never then back this up with the evidence. They just assume this because they have to find some way that is primitive to match that time and yet achieve such signatures.

But when we actually look at what signatures are caused by such methods we see different signatures. Like the hand made vases in the tests. They were in the imprecise class and the fact that one of the vases came close was because of the intrioduction of modern tech in a stable turning wheel that allow such precision.

When we look at the bore stick method we see a different signature again. When we look at copper saw cuts we see a different signature to many of the cuts. We can determine pretty close to what sort of tech was required and they don't match. Simple as that.

rambot · 2025-11-04T00:26:43-0600

asquirrel said:
Your entire debate structure is putting words in my mouth and sockpuppeting view points I don't have. I'm not going to interact with you further. Grow up.

Really?
My "entire debate structure"?

All you gave to support your arguments were spurious anecdotes. And you didn't like when dismissed your concerns as solely your experience?

Tough.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-04T00:23:44-0600

stevevw said:
Did not the poster I was replaying to just literally say because I cannot produce the evidence of any lathe that this in itself refutes the claim that a lathe might have been used. I used the example of not finding the gun doesn't mean the bullet hole signatures point to a gun.

I actually agree with your logic. But people have been saying that absent of finding the actual device any suggestion of lathing from the signatures fails.

Did we find a lathe or potters wheel or even bore stick in the pre dynastics sites lol.

You might not ever find one even if they had any. It is entirely possible to build a stone-cutting lathe with no moving parts that would leave little or nothing in the archaeological record. Did they do that? I have no idea, but to say that it is impossible as adamantly as you do is just illogical foolishness.

stevevw · 2025-11-04T00:18:39-0600

BCP1928 said:
Is that your logical argument? That because we have no evidence of the tools and methods used by predynasitc craftsmen* they could not possibly have had a stone-cutting lathe or anything which would make similar marks.? Do you really think that follows?

Did not the poster I was replaying to just literally say because I cannot produce the evidence of any lathe that this in itself refutes the claim that a lathe might have been used. I used the example of not finding the gun doesn't mean the bullet hole signatures point to a gun.

I actually agree with your logic. But people have been saying that absent of finding the actual device any suggestion of lathing from the signatures fails.

BCP1928 said:
*Which is false, BTW. We do have evidence of tools and methods used by predynastic craftsmen

Did we find a lathe or potters wheel or even bore stick in the pre dynastics sites lol.

In fact we don't have the method for cutting large blocks some 10 to 20 feet. Never found a 10 or 20 foot copper saw, no mechanism for housing that saw to keep it precise as in the precision of many cuts. In fact some cuts are impossible for hand held saws. No depictions on walls of cuting blocks. Only small carpentry saws cutting wood.

Eldeah · 2025-11-04T00:17:14-0600

In Isaiah 43:10 we read:

"“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,

“and my servant whom I have chosen,

so that you may know and believe me

and understand that I am he.

Before me no god was formed,

nor will there be one after me."

This doesn't exclude that the speaker from being formed. (The hebrew word used in the sentence is Yatsar.)
Which in my opinion is beautiful if the Creator himself is Formed just like humanity was according to Genesis 2:7:

"Then the Lord God formed a man from the

dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils

the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Also in this sense we are way closer to G'd as we dare to believe.

stevevw · 2025-11-03T23:55:52-0600

Postvieww said:
Have I been that unclear? I have never said Trump’s messages were from God or that he was a prophet! He IMO is chosen to do a job that’s it . I never said they were in my church. Here is one prophecy from 2007 . Long before Trump decided to run. Kim Clement calls Trump by name and said he would have two terms . Believe what you will but this is factual. Login to view embedded media

Thats interesting. Though I have heard that Kim has gotton a lot wrong which has never been made public. Still an interesting insight. But I think this is sort of predictable even in politics.

When there is chaos and a society tries to live in defiance of reality and the truth as a matter of reality correcting itself some sort of adjustment always happens. Because given time it is exposed and rejected as a matter of the natural progression of such unreal ideas and truth. Like they say "sooner or later the truth will come out".

Some people see this and others don't. Similar to how the bible tells us some are blind to Gods spirit and word. I think prophesies do align with truth and reality.

I think many people have seen and predicted similar events. Perhaps not so specifric. But I don't know the US and whether this was an idea well before Trump took office. But politics itself was heading in a way that we could see the usual politics was not working and people were sick of politicians.

Then we began to see people from outside politics or who did not fit the stereotypical mold gain in popularity. If Trump was toying with the idea then one could predict such a possibility as he seems the most likely candidate. We had a primeminister in Malcom Turbull in 2015 who some thought he was Australias version of Trump. More a business man but not a good primeminister politically.

But still its interesting from a spiritual perspective. How world pricipalities are forming and how the middle east and terrorism generally is heating up and coming to some sort of head. Either a peace deal of an escalation of conflict which it seems to be heading for not just in the middle east but within many nations.

Some think that Trump may be the antiChrist or in association in that there will be peace made in the middle east before it is broken and all out war or all out attack on Isreal from a number of surrounding Islamic nations begins. Which leads to all out war.

So if theres a 7 year peace deal and its broken half way through I'm heading for the hills lol.

Fervent · 2025-11-03T23:54:06-0600

partinobodycular said:
But how does your unsubstantiated foundation trump anyone else's arbitrary one?

To what end?

Fervent · 2025-11-03T23:51:07-0600

Bradskii said:
Then your position is that all rules or commands must be interpreted depending on the circumstances.

My position is that there are no "rules" or "commands" but that ethics is about embodying attributes. There are other worlds than these.

Bradskii said:
Look, you can't have it both ways. God either commands you and you submit as told or He commands it and you interpret it as you see fit, using whatever means you deem suitable.

Not at all, you're just operating on a false premise that the only ethical structure that can be absolute is deontological ethics. Which I have repeatedly challenged, and you've offered no reply other than to just plow on with your blinders on.

Bradskii said:
It's been my position all along. That it must be one or the other. And I'm here to tell you that you use the same method as me. I interpret the act depending on the circumstances using whatever means I deem suitable.

And you're presenting a false dilemma, which leaves you arguing with strawmen of your own invention.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-03T23:50:59-0600

stevevw said:
Thats the idea. But its not all gusessing. Ever heard of reverse engineering. Do you think reverse engineering can tell us anything about the methods used.

It seems your holding me to standard that you don't apply to yourself. You claim that these predynastic vases were made by the simple tools in the records. We have no tools or methods from the predynastics.

So your wanting me to accept your claim that the traditional method is what caused these marks. But you also have no evidence of the tools or method. Looks like we are in a stalemate.

Do you think that if forensics determines a gun was used in a murder by the signature of bullet holes at the crime scene. That not finding the gun means they cannot say that a gun caused the signatures.

I think I already have provided ample evidence. You have two eyes. You can see for yourself. What do you think these marks in the images look like. Be honest.

Is that your logical argument? That because we have no evidence of the tools and methods used by predynasitc craftsmen* they could not possibly have had a stone-cutting lathe or anything which would make similar marks.? Do you really think that follows?

*Which is false, BTW. We do have evidence of tools and methods used by predynastic craftsmen

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