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Unqualified · 2025-12-14T02:38:48-0600

I don’t know. He was a child and fully man as well and had to learn and grow before His ministry started. But I don’t know when to draw the lines of time on it. It took,I h prayer and the Holy Spirit to fully realize.

prodromos · 2025-12-14T02:35:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
Thank you @Kathleen30 for explaining this to @Strong in Him, I was pondering on how to explain this to her but you've done it for me -Thanks.

The problem still stands. If you don't believe the AI overview is factual regarding moon landings, how can you trust it to be factual about freemason involvement in NASA?

prodromos · 2025-12-14T02:30:30-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Strong in Him I had a look at Apples post 2835. All Apple writes is ( it depends who they are ) Apple then goes on to use a ( AI OVERVIEW ) meaning not her words. The reason Apple used the AI Overview was to merely point out the connection between Masonry & NASA. and was in no way agreeing with the claim of the AI post that astronauts landed on the moon.. masonry was the topic of discussion and not so much the claim of the astronauts landing on the moon. And we all know that Apple doesn’t believe that astronauts landed on the moon . In your post 2839 you fail to include that it’s a AI overview or you probably missed that it was a AI post from Apples post 2835. Therein probably lies the misunderstanding. It’s a AI overview and the connection to NASA & masonry was what Apple was pointing to, and not so much to what the AI overview said about the alleged moon landings

Well if we can't trust the AI overview to be factual about the moon landings, then we can hardly trust it to be factual about freemason involvement in NASA.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

keras · 2025-12-14T02:28:12-0600

eclipsenow said:
You jump around between verses like a hyperactive grasshopper - without slowing down and considering the context of each author.

This is a great example of eisegesis.

On the contrary, all of the verses I provided in #154, refer to the one event - the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
Your replies are just to 'shoot the messenger', and flood the thread with the opinions and beliefs of preterism and Spiritualism.

Tell us when you think the righteous will enter Israel and extend all their boundaries?
When will the Lord send fire to consume our enemies? Isaiah 26

Strong in Him · 2025-12-14T02:27:46-0600

Apple Sky said:
Thank you @Kathleen30 for explaining this to @Strong in Him, I was pondering on how to explain this to her but you've done it for me -Thanks.

So why did you quote something that you don't believe?
If you don't believe these astronauts walked on the moon, why does it matter to you what their beliefs are?

Strong in Him · 2025-12-14T02:25:59-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Strong in Him I had a look at Apples post 2835. All Apple writes is ( it depends who they are ) Apple then goes on to use a ( AI OVERVIEW ) meaning not her words.

But she still quoted it.
She obviously went to the trouble of looking up how many astronauts were Freemasons and quoting/cutting and pasting the AI overview.
If she disagreed with something which she, herself, had chosen to post, then that could have been made clear as well.

If a person doesn't believe that any astronauts went to the moon, it's irrelevant whether they were Freemasons or not.
Charles Duke, and others, became Christians after they had been to the moon - @Apple Sky still thinks they were lying.

Kathleen30 said:
The reason Apple used the AI Overview was to merely point out the connection between Masonry & NASA.

Freemasons can belong to any organisation or be found in any walk of life.
There are probably Christians among the 17,000+ people who work for NASA - it is not exclusively a Freemason organisation.

Kathleen30 said:
masonry was the topic of discussion and not so much the claim of the astronauts landing on the moon.

Maybe in that particular post. But in other posts, Apple Sky has repeatedly said that the astronauts who claimed to have gone to the moon were all Freemasons - implying that they can't be trusted. "Freemasons to the core" was one phrase I believe she used.

Kathleen30 said:
And we all know that Apple doesn’t believe that astronauts landed on the moon .

So, again, why quote an AI overview which specifically says that these astronauts who walked on the moon were Freemasons?
I don't believe the Loch ness monster exists, so why would I go to the effort of researching what it eats?
I don't believe the legend that Jesus visited England and went to Glastonbury, so why would I try to find out where he lived or what he did while he was here?
Do you see what I mean? If something didn't happen, details are irrelevant.

Kathleen30 said:
In your post 2839 you fail to include that it’s a AI overview or you probably missed that it was a AI post from Apples post 2835.

No, I didn't miss it.
It doesn't matter whether the words about the 6th man to walk on the moon were Apple Sky's own words or the words of AI - she quoted them.

She should have just said; "Freemasons or not; no one has ever walked on the moon".

Kathleen30 said:
Therein probably lies the misunderstanding.

No misunderstanding at all on my part - she looked for evidence of something that she doesn't believe happened.

If someone said to me, "and what were you wearing when you beat your husband?" I'm not going to wrack my brains to try to remember, or look on Facebook/Instagram to see if I can find evidence. I have never beaten my husband, so it's irrelevant, and a ridiculous question.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-14T02:22:08-0600

HIM said:
Do you realize that You haven’t made an argument that substantiates anything.

No I don't believe that, I believe some have ignored the scriptures I referred to, which support my argument

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T02:18:22-0600

Sunshine

Unqualified · 2025-12-14T02:16:43-0600

-13 degrees F. ?

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Warm indeed, remote start system to get it warmed up. It has full time FWD, but also a "Snow" mode which locks the differentials and is heavy enough to go through a foot of snow. While the Jeep is warm, the weather is not; already went down to -17 C. two nights ago. In Feb. It is not uncommon to see lows of -25 C.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T02:11:16-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Strong in Him I had a look at Apples post 2835. All Apple writes is ( it depends who they are ) Apple then goes on to use a ( AI OVERVIEW ) meaning not her words. The reason Apple used the AI Overview was to merely point out the connection between Masonry & NASA. and was in no way agreeing with the claim of the AI post that astronauts landed on the moon.. masonry was the topic of discussion and not so much the claim of the astronauts landing on the moon. And we all know that Apple doesn’t believe that astronauts landed on the moon . In your post 2839 you fail to include that it’s a AI overview or you probably missed that it was a AI post from Apples post 2835. Therein probably lies the misunderstanding. It’s a AI overview and the connection to NASA & masonry was what Apple was pointing to, and not so much to what the AI overview said about the alleged moon landings

Thank you @Kathleen30 for explaining this to @Strong in Him, I was pondering on how to explain this to her but you've done it for me -Thanks.

Ellesmere · 2025-12-14T02:01:03-0600

HARK! said:
After noting his desire to quickly release documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy, if elected, Trump clarified that he’d be willing to do the same with the Epstein files.

Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

During an appearance on “The Lex Fridman Podcast,” Trump, 78, insisted that he never visited the dead financier and alleged sex trafficker’s notorious private island, where scores of young women an…

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Reversing President Trump's pledge to release the Epstein files should come as no great surprise!

One would have thought that Americans had have learned by now that failure to deliver on his promises is a reoccurring theme in "TRUMPWORLD

Strong in Him · 2025-12-14T01:51:36-0600

peaceful-forest said:
I haven't heard about this.

It's not true.

peaceful-forest said:
But I think if Christians are going to claim that Christmas is about Jesus, it should certainly look that way! Why do we have to put up an Evergreen tree, decorate it, buy people presents, and and the Santa thing with children in order to be thankful and worshipful towards Jesus

You don't have to do anything. You are free to celebrate Christmas, or not, as you wish.
BTW, gifts are given i) because the Magi gave gifts to Jesus when they went to worship him - and that's Scriptural - and ii) because God gave us his greatest gift, Jesus, Romans 6:23.

And if more people would BE Santa - St Nicholas, a real bishop and who used to secretly give gifts to the poor - the world would be a better place.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-14T01:47:39-0600

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”

Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her. (Luke 1:26-38 NASB1995)

Jesus always existed with God, and he was and is God, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So he didn’t just come into being when he was born as a baby to his mother Mary. For Jesus willingly left the throne in heaven which he had with God the Father, he came to the earth, and he was born to Mary, but conceived of the Holy Spirit. So he was not born with a sin nature as we are, and he never once sinned. But when he lived on the earth he was both fully God and fully human (God incarnate).

[John 1:1-36; John 8:24,58; John 10:30-33; John 20:28-29; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; 1 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 1:1]

Now Mary was chosen of God to bear the only begotten Son of God, but this did not make her someone to be worshipped as though she is a god. But she was a young woman of tremendous faith in the Lord who believed what the angel told her, even though she didn’t understand, at first, how it was going to take place, since she was a virgin. And that took a lot of faith and courage to believe what the angel told her, too, especially since she would most certainly now be marked as an adulteress, for who would believe her story?

Now try to put yourself in her position, which will be harder for males, or try to imagine a situation where God might send an angel to you to call you to do something that you know will get you tagged as crazy, or as someone who cheated on your mate, and so you know people are going to think you have lost your mind or that you have sinned against God. And so you know they are not going to believe you, and that they are probably going to reject you, or that they might even put you to death for what they think you did.

For this isn’t just a “nice story” that gets repeated once a year, but this is a story of tremendous faith and trust in God and in his calling upon the life of a young woman who sets a great example for us who follow Jesus with our lives as to the kind of faith which we should have, too; a faith which believes in miracles and in divine intervention. And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And this should be our response to God when he calls us to do “the seemingly impossible.”

And some of us may be being faced with difficult situations in our lives which seem to not have answers, and the Lord may be leading us in directions we never thought possible, and so we know we will have to step out in faith, believing that God is in control, and then just trust him with the details. And Mary can serve as a wonderful example for us of that faith, where we rest in the Lord, and where we consider ourselves as servants of the Lord, and so we say with Mary, “May it be done to me according to your word.” Amen!

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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Fear not! I’m with you.
Be not dismayed!
God watches o’er you.
Trust Him today.
He’ll lead and guide you;
Give you His aid.
He’ll love and keep you
With Him always.

Walk in His footsteps.
He’ll lead the way.
Trust in His love;
Believe that He cares.
He will not leave you.
Faithful He’ll be.
His tender mercies
Now you will see.

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Tell Him your heartaches.
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Ellesmere · 2025-12-14T01:42:10-0600

essentialsaltes said:
“Anyone who’s saying that Medicaid cuts is why they’re closing is a liar,” April Roberts said, as she oversaw lunch at the Curtis Area Senior Center.

The retirees trickling in for fried chicken and soft-serve ice cream will be hit hardest when the clinic closes this fall, Roberts fears. Seniors who sometimes go in multiple times a month to have blood drawn will have to drive 40 miles to the next nearest health center

Arriving for lunch, retired Navy veteran Jim Christensen said he’d read an op-ed that “tried to blame everything on Trump.”

“Horse feathers,” he said, dismissing the idea.
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“They’re huge [fans of Trump] … and so it doesn’t matter what he does - there’s an excuse for it,” [registered Republican but non-Trump voter] Jorgensen said. The retired corn and cattle farmer was used to being the odd one out in Frontier County, where 86 percent of the vote went to Trump last fall.

Many people in Curtis have directed their frustration at their hospital system instead of their representatives in Washington.

Community Hospital, the nonprofit that runs the clinic known as the Curtis Medical Center and a couple of other facilities in the region, plunged into the center of that national story when it announced on July 2 - one day before the bill’s passage - that a confluence of factors had made its Curtis outpost unsustainable. It cited years-long financial challenges, inflation and “anticipated federal budget cuts to Medicaid,” the public health insurance program for lower-income and disabled Americans.

Rural health care facilities run on thin margins to serve small communities in far-flung locations. And they tend to have more patients on Medicaid, many of them self-employed farmers, small business owners and seasonal workers more likely to need public insurance. Hospital groups and executives have warned that some rural hospitals that long operated at a loss won’t be able to stay open much longer, now that the Medicaid cuts have been voted in.

Community Hospital officials said they had tried to find another group to take over the clinic, without luck.

Richard T · 2025-12-14T01:31:56-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
That's always a possibility...

However, in this instance, the "likely an ISIS gunman" isn't far fetched considering it happened in Syria.

I believe Syria still has the 2nd largest ISIS presence in the world behind Iraq.

If Wikipedia is accurate about this, ISIS controls 6 provinces (out of 14) in Syria, which would substantiate the Pentagon spokesman's statement about it happening "in an area where the Syrian President does not have control."

But as a group what is the motive for ISIS? They want to bring the heat to their consolidation on parts of Syria? I do not know the full dynamics there but I bet some other groups (Perhaps even the USA itself) would love to have the USA drive out ISIS.

Pommer · 2025-12-14T01:26:19-0600

BPPLEE said:
That's true. But I don't believe Allah is the same as Yahweh

I’m fairly certain that Muslims believe that Yahweh and Allah are the same Being.
Whatever it is that you, personally, know about the subject, you might not be…correct, based on the fact we’re talking about how other people believe.

dlamberth · 2025-12-14T01:21:17-0600

stevevw said:
It is when its used to claim that knowledge and belief in the mind and body divide within Christianity just disappeared.

As far as I can see using the Dark Ages to say that Christianity did not have any views or beliefs on the Mind and Body divide is denying Christian thought. I proposed that the early church understood the Mind and Body divide in their beliefs and teachings.

Early Christianity was and still is all over the board regarding Mind/Body Divide. There historically is a bit of tension over this subject with even some leaning towards a trichotomy (body/soul/spirit) dichotomy way of thinking. But Christianity, from what I know of it, always has and even now depends upon some concept of mind/body divide. Using the term "conspiracy" though for a miss-construing (do I have that right?) of a basic religions belief structure is a bit over the top.

The term "Dark Ages" is misleading which is why that era is generally now called "The Early Middle Ages".

Pommer · 2025-12-14T01:16:47-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.

Why invite people in who won’t vote for you?
I understand this completely.

Pommer · 2025-12-14T01:14:29-0600

Prospector said:
Your not the only person to think that ASL is not a legitimate language. All that i know is sign language has lifted millions of the deaf out of a lifetime of isolation.

“Legitimate language”?
Who decides?

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-14T01:00:33-0600

peter2 said:
Why not, thanks. i shall have a try. Actually, i, lastly and above all, wondered whether the intention of protecting Jesus was relevant, not from Jesus chilhood or Mary's motherhood.
Rather,
as regards God's centered reasons or plan to let him die on the cross :
Was it God's will to use the protecting feelings of Mary and Joseph to spare the baby Jesus life, or did they both flee to Egypt without caring for such feelings, but already at that moment, and may be they as well, being concerned by God's centered care about Jesus' doom on the cross ?

In the infancy narratives, the Bible presents both things happening at once:

Mary and Joseph act with the very normal protective love of parents.
God is also actively guiding events so Jesus lives to fulfill his mission.

What the text actually emphasizes

In Matthew 2, Joseph doesn’t “reason it out” from a long-range plan about the cross. He’s repeatedly warned in dreams (“take the child… flee to Egypt… Herod is about to search for the child to destroy him”), and he obeys quickly. That’s the narrative focus: obedient protection under divine direction.

So the flight isn’t described as “they didn’t care about feelings” or “they were already thinking about the cross.” It reads like: God warns; Joseph protects; the child is preserved.

Did they flee because of feelings, or because of “God’s plan”?

Most Christian readings would say: both, but not in the same way.

On their side (human level): they protected Jesus because that’s what faithful parents do—fear, urgency, love, responsibility. Those “protecting feelings” are not treated as a distraction from God’s will; they’re part of how God normally works through people.
On God’s side (divine level): God wills that Jesus not die as an infant at Herod’s hand, because Jesus’ death is meant to happen at the appointed time, in the appointed way—publicly, voluntarily, and as part of the saving work the Gospels later describe.

So God’s will isn’t “use their feelings instead of his plan,” but “use their love and obedience within his plan.”

Were Mary and Joseph already thinking about the cross?

The texts don’t suggest they had a fully formed, detailed concept like: “We must save him now so he can die on the cross later.”

They do have hints, though:

In Luke 2, Simeon’s prophecy includes both Jesus’ destiny and a coming sorrow for Mary (“a sword will pierce your own soul”), which Christians often connect to the passion.
Mary “treasures” and ponders, but that’s not the same as having the whole script in her head.

A simple way to put it:

They knew enough to obey and to trust.
God knew (and intended) the whole arc.

The core theological idea

Classic Christian theology calls this providence through secondary causes: God accomplishes his purposes through real human decisions, real emotions, real obedience—not by bypassing them.

So yes: it’s very reasonable (and very “biblical”) to say God intended Mary and Joseph’s protective care to be one of the means by which Jesus was preserved—without implying they were coldly calculating “his doom on the cross” from the start. ( chat GPT

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David Lamb · 2025-12-14T00:56:28-0600

timothyu said:
Says them. Yet the Kingdom often takes a back seat to the affairs of man.

That may be true of some churches, but not all.

RileyG · 2025-12-14T00:42:29-0600

Michie said:
I won’t know until Wednesday. Thank you for the prayers.

Continued prayers!

Blessings!

RileyG · 2025-12-13T23:57:47-0600

Rescued One said:
I fell in the yard and couldn't get up. A stranger from one street over helped me get up. That was encouraging! It's too bad he's moving away.

I hope you’re doing ok! God bless!

stevevw · 2025-12-13T23:56:39-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
How would we know if there is any good science, if they refuse to interact with other experts (through publishing it in the appropriate journals)?

Because publishing work in appropriate journals does not make it science or good science. This can happen without publishing in particular journals. Are you saying the tests done were not good science. If you think so then show how. Don't just reject it because it doesn't meet some gatekeepers criteria.

Thats why I link the images. This is the most fundemental science of observation. The first step in science is to observe and record what is seen, heard, felt ect lol. You don't need a journal for that. I am asking you to be the scientist. To give your initial assessment. You cannot dent the observations.

If someone claims the observations are not from human made softening or melting then they need to explain why this is not the case. Someone mentioned it was natural, caused by lightening or some natural cause. Then they need to explain this and not just claim it.

I linked clear images of vitrified stones within the Temple and on walls. Close up images of melted stone. Tests showed it contained minieral unnatural to the stone. If those tests are wrong then this has to be shown with additional tests. Not just demand journals.

This may be the preliminary work to create the paper. How is the tests and analysis in the paper verified before it is made into a paper. They have to do the preliminary work first. This is it. Why can't you comment on that.

Stopped_lurking said:
Can you quote it? It is different to say "I'm not convinced by what you have presented me" and to say "what you have presented me is false, this is what happened instead".

But when you claim your not convinced and then leave it at that this comes across as a dismissal. Because you are offering nothing. No explanation or evidence why your not convinced.

I could just say "I am not convinced that you are not convinced" lol and also offer nothing. Then where do we stand lol.

Stopped_lurking said:
It is not.

I literally just pointed out an example above. I could ask, why are you not convinced. What is it that causes you to not be convinced and yet allows others to be convinced by the same evidence.

Is it a matter of epistemics that you believe that the evidence is not convincing. That the evidence must be within a certain paradigm to be convincing.

What about those who believe, who operate from a different epistemics and paradigm and think your worldview is unreal. Is only a surface level knowledge and not true knowledge. How does science refute this lol. By demanding physical evidence and peer review. Yeah sure. It won't even get through the front door as its rejected out of hand based on an epistemic belief and not science.

Stopped_lurking said:
Stop with the self-victimizing, no one is forcing you to post anything.

You literally just did lol. I don't think you realise that this is what you are doing when you demand the evidence and methology for the evidence has to fall within a certain paradigm (worldview) and can only be known by naturalism.

Have you ever heard of phenomenal belief.

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The core theological idea