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rjs330 · 2025-09-07T01:00:19-0500

Nithavela said:
Some people would argue that every human being has a right to exist and that removing that right should be consigned to either rigorous judicial processes or only done in emergencies where that course is the only option to remove an immediate threat to other lives.

Well thats where we disagree. Not every human has a right to exist. Drug cartel members delivering murderous narcots for example. Or Al Qaeda members, Hamas, ISIS, etc. Evil does not have a right to exist.

rjs330 · 2025-09-07T00:56:29-0500

rambot said:
More the bill of rights kinda stuff...maybe the constitution.

But yeah....nvm.

The narco terrorists coming from Venezuala are not under the Constitution. Are Canadians? The French?

rjs330 · 2025-09-07T00:54:08-0500

7thKeeper said:
I wonder what changed

Nothing. Just clarifying. I was referring to these soldiers and these circumstances. And if one of these soldiers became a politician like McCain I would have no issues with a disparaging remark or two. If you cant understand, rhen I can't help you.

7thKeeper said:
unless you'd care to explain how saying he doesn't like people who get captured is about McCains politics?

I dont need to, Trump.clarified himself.

awstar · 2025-09-07T00:54:05-0500

Indentured Servant said:
I wonder if God even likes the idea of people people being linked via manmade technology, and not His Spirit.

Psalms 4:2 O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing?

Not too much longer, apparently!

I said:

in English at the time of King James what does this phrase mean? "seek after leasing"

ChatGPT said:

Great question — that phrase is a little tricky because English has shifted a lot since the early 1600s.

In the King James Bible, you’ll find it in Psalm 4:2:

“O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing? Selah.”

At that time, “leasing” did not mean renting (the way we use it today). It came from the Old English word lēasung, meaning lying, falsehood, deceit.

So the phrase “seek after leasing” means:
pursue lies or follow after deceit.

If we put it in modern English, the verse would read something like:

“How long will you love empty things and chase after lies?”

tturt · 2025-09-07T00:53:39-0500

We're to pray without ceasing according to I Thess 5:17 so maintaining "proper attire" and always being in our prayer closet (Matt 6:6) would be impossible.

Praying to our heavenly Father is a priviledge and involves more than giving Him our prayer requests. Though I really understand your concern. The following helped me to sort it out.

Looking at The Lord's prayer which is how Jesus told us to pray, begins with acknowledging who He is, we hallow His name, and His will is priority (Psa 100:4). Next asking for our daily bread. Then the importance of our relationship with others is noted next. We can feel very justified in having negative attitudes and feelings towards someone but He lets us know forgiveness is vital. (Matt 22:39). He'll help guard against the enemy's traps (Psa 91:3 +all). Lastly, it ends with emphasis on Him. (Matt 6:9-13).

I Tim 2:1-3 "Therefore I [a]exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,..." Giving thanks for everybody - even this can be a challenge. But we are all His creation (Psa 139:13, Job 33:4, Eze 37:6).

BassLine · 2025-09-07T00:31:43-0500

stevevw said:
Yes this is where its at I think. We have a local coffee shop/bar called the Tribe which is sort of a community venue for local musos and artist. Local bands get the chance to play and show their talent. They have a Karaoke and an open mike as well.

I have this idea of setting up some sort of community studio like a open mike studio with all the instruments plugged in ready for whoever comes in to play. I have found that talented musos who may be homeless or down on their luck lose their instruments due to being homeless. Having instruments available allows anyone to come in and start playing for free.

You will be surprised how much talent is out there getting lost for one reason or another. Just having a facility to allow such talent can help preserve and nurture it. But also makes it a great place to relax and express music as a therapy.

The place I live Redcliffe in Qld is known as a bit of a music town. We have an lane in the center of the town dedicated to the Bee Gees who began here. There are many festivals, markets with music artists and a history of live entertainment. You hear the Bee Gees story and music coming from the lane and then around the corner a busker. Its great.

Stevevw, That sounds like a great idea. Do you play an instrument?

I mostly play a double bass (a.k.a. upright bass or string bass) or sometimes an electric bass guitar when the weather is too cold, wet, or windy to haul the double bass. At 83, I'm no longer gigging, but I still play in church.

This topic caught my attention as my wife and I just started going out to some coffee shop jam sessions this summer and met some incredibly talented folks... teens through oldies.
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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.

Manuel1983 · 2025-09-07T00:27:12-0500

Shalom

Today I bring our precious sister Ulli with a request for prayer: Her heartfelt desire is to spread the gospel to the people and to glorify God. "Lord, please grant success in Jesus' name, Amen."

Thank you for your prayers!
May the Lord bless you abundantly (Luke 6:38, Job 42:10) and may he bless Israel in Jesus' name, Amen!

Soli Deo Gloria

PS And I pray that the Lord will send out harvesters into his harvest (Matthew 9:38)

fhansen · 2025-09-07T00:24:49-0500

Dan1988 said:
Jesus never said, "if you believe in Me, you might be saved". You will not find a single verse in the Bible to support this idea that salvation is a maybe, depending on how good you are.

Jesus said lots of things, and we don’t throw out the parts we don’t like.

If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Matt 19:17

“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Matt 6-14-15

Any of this can only be authentically accomplished via love, via grace, via the power of the Spirit by one who’s been justified. With Him, we can reciprocate with the love we’ve been shown, and given. And of course John tells us in his letters that, if we don’t love, we’re not one of His.

Landon Caeli · 2025-09-07T00:19:33-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Take it up with CNN.

CNN clearly wants to confuse the public. It's intentional. And it's immoral.

fhansen · 2025-09-07T00:18:56-0500

Dan1988 said:
I don't do good works to be saved, I do them because I'm saved, see how that works. Your gospel message is completely different from the one found in the Bible.

If a person does good works, produces good fruit, due to their encounter and relationship with Christ, their connection to the Vine, and continues to do so throughout their lives, then they should have a high level of assurance that they’re one of His, that they’ve persevered. And if the thief on the cross had been allowed down from his cross, given more time, gifts, opportunity, then more would’ve been expected of him. Luke 12:48 as well as the Parable of the Talents shed light on this.

Nithavela · 2025-09-07T00:15:07-0500

rjs330 said:
Why, youve already made up your mind to defend rhe rights of narco terrorists who kill millions of Americans. Defend their right to exist.

Some people would argue that every human being has a right to exist and that removing that right should be consigned to either rigorous judicial processes or only done in emergencies where that course is the only option to remove an immediate threat to other lives.

fhansen · 2025-09-07T00:12:04-0500

Dan1988 said:
That's all well and good, but it still doesn't support the saved by works gospel at all. Nowhere do any of the above say, you must do these things in order to be saved.

So inheriting eternal life is different from being saved now??

fhansen · 2025-09-07T00:06:13-0500

Dan1988 said:
I have read the Bible from cover to cover, and I have read all the different interpretations and found that there's only one truth and His name is Jesus.

Good, and I’ve read it cover to cover many times. And I know no Christian who doesn’t think the truth is Jesus so that’s a bit of a vague statement. Now, exactly what truths He’s telling us to adhere to is a different story and often a source of division.

FaithT · 2025-09-07T00:03:42-0500

ViaCrucis said:
Oh, I don't think Trump is a false Christian.

I don't think he is religious at all. I don't think he's even religious enough to count as a "false Christian".

-CryptoLutheran

I think he pretends to be a Christian to have the Christian’s support.

sjastro · 2025-09-06T23:46:57-0500

As much as I am reluctant to sift through the mountain of links thrown up by @stevevw given he has long history of using dubious sources, I decided to check out the claim Ramesses ll confiscated some Old Kingdom granite columns.

Meet Herishef — NILE Magazine

A god we really should be more familiar with.

www.nilemagazine.com.au

As I suspected the article is not accurate, while it is true Ramesses confiscated the columns they were from a Middle Kingdom temple dating from the 12th dynasty some 600 years later using the 5th dynasty as the Old Kingdom baseline.

Ancient Egypt and Archaeology Web Site - Report on the Temple of Herishef at Heracleopolis

fhansen · 2025-09-06T23:46:53-0500

Hentenza said:
I have indeed read and studied the ECF’s but you have to understand that they are not like scripture which is inspired from God. Your literary criticism should take that into consideration.

No one doubts that. It's just that their opinion, from their vantage point of nearness in time to Christ, discipleship of an apostle in some of the earliest cases, and very close unanimity on such issues as the topic of this thread is far more likely to be correct than your own.

And there's much more to it than that. Most all of them write profusely and knowingly about love and its central role in the faith and in defiining true righteousness for man. They just get it, while so many modern theologians don't, as Scripture doesn't happen to elaborate on love nearly as much as it does faith, especially via Paul, of course, so Sola Scriptura adherents often end up gravitating towards a myopic obsession on faith rather than seeing it as a vital part of a much greater whole. The gospel becomes skewed, out of balance and weighed heavily towards hyper-rationalism and little more than some intellectual concepts they've contructed from a handful of passages..

And then the fact that, aside from catechesis which was better or worse throughout church history, basic theology is cemented into the sacraments, themselves, of the churches in the east and west, so that no one need be a bible scholar in order to understand the gospel let alone even literate, as so many weren't down through the centuries. My semi-literate grandmother from the foothills of the Italian alps had a simple, beautiful and well-practiced faith that I'd wager as superior to just about any who endlessly debate Scripture, believing they have some take on it superior to the original understanding. The simplest, crudest of folk can know and live out the basics of the faith-what it means to please God- based virtually on the sacraments alone.

ViaCrucis · 2025-09-06T23:46:26-0500

ozso said:
That Trump's response doesn't automatically indicate he's a false Christian.

Oh, I don't think Trump is a false Christian.

I don't think he is religious at all. I don't think he's even religious enough to count as a "false Christian".

-CryptoLutheran

rambot · 2025-09-06T23:43:56-0500

rjs330 said:
Lol. Its always been our principle to destroy murdering narco terrorists who are killing Americans. So not sure what you are referring to.

More the bill of rights kinda stuff...maybe the constitution.

But yeah....nvm.

Dan1988 · 2025-09-06T23:42:46-0500

fhansen said:
Better get to readin' then, son. For yourself, tho, no longer thru the lens of those who've influenced you.

I have read the Bible from cover to cover, and I have read all the different interpretations and found that there's only one truth and His name is Jesus.

morekenlouise · 2025-09-06T23:42:13-0500

ARBITER01 said:
I think it is a promotional post for their book.

The truly gifted find connections between things that everyone else thought were unrelated???

Could you be more specific?

Dan1988 · 2025-09-06T23:40:22-0500

fhansen said:
Nonsense. the folks who believe as I do are of the humbler variety, because they don't have your certainty about salvation. It's the natural man who wants to remain as he was, unchanged, unbothered by any obligation, even allowed to remain in his sins, perhaps, depending on his version of Sola Fide. It's like the guy in the Parable of the Talents who buried his talents, refusing to invest them, and was booted from the kingdom for his wicked and laziness.

Jesus never said, "if you believe in Me, you might be saved". You will not find a single verse in the Bible to support this idea that salvation is a maybe, depending on how good you are.

I am already saved and I have already inherited eternal life in paradise. Remember the thief, who repented on the cross. Well Jesus told Him that he would be with Him, in paradise that very day. Jesus didn't burden him with any rules to follow or works to perform, just as He doesn't do to this day. He never changes.

God knows that saved people, continue to sin everyday for the rest of our lives. This is why He sent His Son to pay for every, past present and future sin of His elect.

friend of · 2025-09-06T23:39:35-0500

Always in His Presence said:
But hey! Trump is still guilty - right?

For some people, yes, Trump is the devil himself and everything bad in the world is his fault.

morekenlouise · 2025-09-06T23:34:54-0500

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
Welcome to Christian Forums. I could not make sense of your request. Can you explain it in simple terms?

I could not make sense of your question... Why couldn't you understand "..." yet? Can you explain it in a simple term(s)?

Dan1988 · 2025-09-06T23:31:57-0500

fhansen said:
Sure it is. Works/good fruit/overcoming sin flow from grace for believers- and those works are optional nonetheless. They flow from the love pored into our hearts by the Holy Spirit (Rom 5:5), to put it another way. And this makes perfect sins of such verses, again, as:

"If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." John 15:5-6

"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Matt 19:17

"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

"When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." Rom 6:20-22

"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." Heb 12:14

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." Rom 8:12-14

"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. " Gal 6:7-8

So that's what it means to 'work out your salvation', or 'make you calling and election sure'.

That's all well and good, but it still doesn't support the saved by works gospel at all. Nowhere do any of the above say, you must do these things in order to be saved. You have added that requirement yourself, and by doing that, you have rejected the "saved by grace" gospel and created the "saved by works" version of the gospel.

Jesus said, "without Me, you can do nothing" but you say, no Jesus, it's not you, it's actually us. You can't save me without my help and my full approval of everything you're trying to do.

I don't do good works to be saved, I do them because I'm saved, see how that works. Your gospel message is completely different from the one found in the Bible.

BassLine · 2025-09-06T23:25:06-0500

The Barbarian said:
Wherever I go, I stop and listen to the buskers. And I drop cash in their hats; those guys add color and culture to our cities. I have quite a collection of busker shots. Maybe that would be a cool exhibit.

Barbarian, those are spectacular photos! Thanks for sharing them'

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