Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

[Hazelelponi]

But you're ignoring the comparison.

Let's assume that the boats were carrying fentanyl. But they weren't a few miles off the California coast. So no immediate danger. They could have been tracked and boarded by the Navy at their convenience.

A truck coming over the border which is also carrying fentanyl is a lot closer to home. A more immediate danger.

So why not treat it the same? Trump says, literally: 'we're going to kill them'.

What's the difference?

Your ignoring situational issues that could factor in.

For example, to what extent do these people act like terrorists? Does letting a Navy ship allow one to get close to the ship endanger the Navy ship? If that's the case then acting like your at war against an enemy combatant is perfectly appropriate.

Knowing the cartels and the situation can change the response.

There might be a situation where the circumstances are set such that drone striking a truck in Canada is a heroic effort that saved lives - but turn the tables with a completely different scenario and its criminal to even consider.

My Cartel knowledge is "made for TV" since that's where it came from but people do compare them to terrorist organizations and always have, they are known for their presence in the drug trade, human and sex trafficking, including of children.

They are known to be ruthless and they kill people using gruesome and brutal means and threaten people's families so that everyone around them is more in fear of them than any police, and they have to fear for their families even after they're dead.

3 weeks ago the president of the United States announced to Congress escalation against the cartels and since that time we have witnessed the escalation.

It seems legitimate and not every terrorist-type is a Muslim. We have had problems with the Cartels for a long time and the closing of our borders escalated the matter because it's a major source of revenue for them. Even ISIS started human trafficking - it's apparently a source of a lot of revenue such that many want in on the scheme

I prefer to end human and sex trafficking and at least greatly reduce the major drug trades. It would go a long way to making cities safer, and fewer people subject to inhumanity overall. Modern slavery cannot be tolerated in America

 

[Hazelelponi]

He certainly did find racial bias in police violence. His paper noted no bias in shootings.

And I have no idea why he's been mentioned.

Did you not read my words? I said:

"the evidence doesn't show the racial bias in policing that is being claimed by the far left."

The evidence does not support the claims of widespread racial bias in policing often made by far-left activists—specifically, the notion that police are systematically targeting and killing Black people out of racial hatred or Nazi-like racism.

Instead, the research indicates racial disparities in lower-level interactions, like stops and arrests, but no evidence of racial bias in lethal force incidents. In other words, police aren't indiscriminately killing Black suspects due to prejudice.

Fryer suggested that these lower-level disparities might stem from factors other than explicit racial bias or hate—such as socioeconomic conditions, neighborhood crime rates, or behavioral patterns during encounters—that disproportionately affect interactions with Black Americans. Importantly, these factors don't appear to escalate to life-threatening outcomes.

Personally, I don't believe most police officers are inherently racist. I think the disparities arise from other underlying causes, not the skin color itself. Just because a pattern emerges in interactions involving a specific racial group doesn't mean race is the direct trigger.

As for why it was mentioned, because I was asking a question. When this view gets a person labeled and cancelled by the left, but the same left finds assassination culture perfectly acceptable, where do we go from there? It was slightly rhetorical. The left cancels us without blinking an eye for telling the truth and not being in the least bit racist, but won't hold a school teacher accountable for miming death threats.

Roland Fryer mentioned getting death threats for writing this paper causing the need for private security protection and also mentioned in the video an individual getting their Twitter account suspended for sharing the paper (This was in the aftermath of George Floyd) . It's why his video and paper was used. I'm familiar.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

No? Wasn't it a No Kings protest?

No Kings protest?

I see several anti-ICE signs right behind her in the video.

The "No Kings" stuff has been something of a catch all for every Trump policy people don't like.

What makes her left-wing? Sure, we can say that is unlikely that the she is politically aligned with Trump. But there are still possible to be a centrist democrat/republican or independent and attend a No Kings rally, is it not?

She's a public school teacher (Of the 437,783 campaign contributions made by educators during the 2022 election cycle, 84% supported Democrats.) -- from Chicago (obviously Chi-town leans heavily blue) -- attending a left-wing rally and mocking the shooting of a conservative pundit. I feel pretty confident ruling out "centrist republican"

 

[Bradskii]

Your ignoring situational issues that could factor in.

No, I'm explaining them to you! An indefinite, assumed and possible threat a long way from the US versus a guaranteed and immediate threat.

If your president says he's going to kill these people then is it acceptable to blow up a truck crossing the Canadian border and kill everyone in it?

 

[Bradskii]

Did you not read my words? I said:

"the evidence doesn't show the racial bias in policing that is being claimed by the far left."

Yes, you did say that. But his paper didn't. He said there was racial bias in policing. It's undeniable. Except that he found that racism wasn't necessarily a cause in fatal shootings.

I hardly need note that that is a disputed claim.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It seemed to be your inference. That you would normally see what she did as wrong but because she was threatened you don't think what she did disqualifies her from teaching children.

Show me where I said that - or even anything that would imply that. The post of mine that you replied to (which is my only post in this thread aside from my replies to you) was addressing a claim of hypocrisy - that because "the left" deemed it okay to "cancel" people for dumb things they said in the past, they didn't understand the uproar in this scenario. I was simply pointing out that the issue is the death threats and threats against the school, not the fact that people are trying to "cancel" her for what she did.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I see several anti-ICE signs right behind her in the video.

The "No Kings" stuff has been something of a catch all for every Trump policy people don't like.

She's a public school teacher (Of the 437,783 campaign contributions made by educators during the 2022 election cycle, 84% supported Democrats.) -- from Chicago (obviously Chi-town leans heavily blue) -- attending a left-wing rally and mocking the shooting of a conservative pundit. I feel pretty confident ruling out "centrist republican"

Ok, was it not on the day of the latest No King protest? I'm sure there are at least some overlap between those who want to attend both anti-ICE protests and No Kings protest but there were other signs as well. It seems a bit much to ascribe to her that she is ok with doxxing political opponents because some attending anti-ICE protests are ok with it when she didn't attend an anti-ICE protest.

You were only willing to exclude centrist republican does that mean that in the US a centrist democrat or an independent is left-wing? If you believe you can know that she's left-wing. Is it strictly dichotomous, you never talk about the political middle?

 

[Chesterton]

Then you should choose to find another better job, no?

Say a Jewish man has a neo-nazi coworker who would love to murder him. Your solution would be that the Jew should choose to find another job, no?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Ok, was it not on the day of the latest No King protest? I'm sure there are at least some overlap between those who want to attend both anti-ICE protests and No Kings protest but there were other signs as well. It seems a bit much to ascribe to her that she is ok with doxxing political opponents because some attending anti-ICE protests are ok with it when she didn't attend an anti-ICE protest.

You were only willing to exclude centrist republican does that mean that in the US a centrist democrat or an independent is left-wing? If you believe you can know that she's left-wing. Is it strictly dichotomous, you never talk about the political middle?

What she was exhibiting there in the video wasn't "centrist behavior".

Anyone who attends an activism protest typically isn't the "middle of the road on this issue" type of person.


For example: Have you ever seen an "abortion-related centrist" protest? Or is it pretty much always either a staunch pro-life rally, or a staunch pro-choice rally?

Typically if a person feels so strongly about an issue that they'll take the day off of work, stay at home the night before making signs/special shirts/etc..., and yell slogans at people in cars as they pass by, that person likely isn't a centrist.

 

[BCP1928]

I see several anti-ICE signs right behind her in the video.

The "No Kings" stuff has been something of a catch all for every Trump policy people don't like.

For every policy that is being carried out in a way people don't like. I went to a No Kings rally in a red state and there were people there I knew personally to be conservative, who want illegal aliens to be deported but don't like the way ICE is going about it. The propaganda that everybody who opposes ICE wants open borders is wearing thin.

 

[NxNW]

I never heard Kirk say that. I said it.

The teacher never said it.

Kirk said:

"Some gun deaths" could certainly include you and your family being shot. Or it could include Kirk being shot, which it did. Don't blame those who are pointing out the irony of this position.

Given their endless praise of Kirk, it's safe to say that the GOP agrees with his position. And therefore it's the GOP who feel that it's "worth it" if you and your family get shot.

If there is a flaw in my logic, let's see it.

 

[BCP1928]

What she was exhibiting there in the video wasn't "centrist behavior".

Anyone who attends an activism protest typically isn't the "middle of the road on this issue" type of person.


For example: Have you ever seen an "abortion-related centrist" protest? Or is it pretty much always either a staunch pro-life rally, or a staunch pro-choice rally?

Typically if a person feels so strongly about an issue that they'll take the day off of work, stay at home the night before making signs/special shirts/etc..., and yell slogans at people in cars as they pass by, that person likely isn't a centrist.

Saw plenty of "centrists" at peace protests toward the end of the Vietnam war. In fact, I think that signaled the end. Just like last Saturday,

 

[BCP1928]

That’s a pretty good description of many of the protesters. Good job

Yet they were so calm and peaceful, and looked like they were having a good time.

 

[BCP1928]

For example, to what extent do these people act like terrorists? Does letting a Navy ship allow one to get close to the ship endanger the Navy ship? If that's the case then acting like your at war against an enemy combatant is perfectly appropriate.

Are you saying that the US Navy is afraid of an open motor boat with couple of guys in it? Basically you are calling them cowards.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

For every policy that is being carried out in a way people don't like. I went to a No Kings rally in a red state and there were people there I knew personally to be conservative, who want illegal aliens to be deported but don't like the way ICE is going about it. The propaganda that everybody who opposes ICE wants open borders is wearing thin.

This wasn't a red state rally, this was in Chicago.

Cook County is one of the deepest blue counties in the country (over 84% Democratic)
This lady was a public school teacher (who across the board, heavily lean toward the progressive side)


She's also holding a Mexican Flag, right next to a sign that says "worst president ever"

Seems like if presented with the options of "this person takes the leftist position on almost every issue that comes down the pike" vs. "this is a moderate person, who just doesn't like the way Trump conducts business"

The overwhelming Vegas odds would be on the former.

 

[BCP1928]

This wasn't a red state rally, this was in Chicago.

Cook County is one of the deepest blue counties in the country (over 84% Democratic)
This lady was a public school teacher (who across the board, heavily lean toward the progressive side)


She's also holding a Mexican Flag, right next to a sign that says "worst president ever"
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Seems like if presented with the options of "this person takes the leftist position on almost every issue that comes down the pike" vs. "this is a moderate person, who just doesn't like the way Trump conducts business"

The overwhelming Vegas odds would be on the former.

OK,but it's hard for me to take it seriously when you and others in this discussion want to brand everybody who was there as a left wing extremist. on all issues because for you "left wingt extremist" means anybody who disagrees with you about anything, especially about sex.

 

[Chesterton]

If there's a flaw in my logic, let's see it.

Not so much a flaw in logic. You're just very confused and confusing.

Accountability. I have socio-political beliefs similar to Kirk's. I would not feel safe working around co-workers who think it's okay to murder me in front of my family.

Did anyone make such a statement (other than Kirk)?

I never heard Kirk say that. I said it. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with me, though.

 

[Larniavc]

Say a Jewish man has a neo-nazi coworker who would love to murder him. Your solution would be that the Jew should choose to find another job, no?

How would I find out that he would love to murder me?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

While I didn't know Kirk. Conservative national. I wouldn't want to forced Conservative national on any country. If he wasn't shot. Maybe he would have calmed down on his belief. But there's no reason to brag about shooting his neck. This lady got caught. And his supporters are mad about it. So, she must be punished.

 

[Chesterton]

How would I find out that he would love to murder me?

Diversion duly noted.