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Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Absolute rubbish, try again .........

It's not absolute rubbish.
But I'm not "trying again" because I've had it.

I have wasted far too much time on this nonsense - mistakenly believing that you might actually be open to serious debate.
You aren't.
When asked whether or not Charles Duke was being truthful in his testimony, you didn't answer but changed the subject.
When pushed for an answer, your response was "I don't care what anyone says the astronauts were Freemasons."
That's it - you don't care unless someone believes the same things that you do. Everyone's a liar except you.

So I don't care either. Slag off other Christians all you want - and then you'll be on your own before God trying to justify why you did that.
There are many positive, and uplifting things that I can be doing for God.
This thread is not one of them.

Have fun

7thKeeper · Oct 20, 2025

RestoreTheJoy said:
Photo of the victim here. He was also in his late teens, by the way. It was pretty darn brutal. Teens who beat DOGE staffer Big Balls get staggeringly light sentence

Yes, I've seen the picture already when this happened. Looks bad, but judging by how well he healed and how fast, he was lucky and it looked worse than it was.

Carl Emerson · Oct 20, 2025

Guojing said:
Yes, we cannot be the elect today, since Jacob is not our father

Gal 3
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
7 Therefore, recognize that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”
9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Hvizsgyak · Oct 20, 2025

I have faith that not all Young Republicans are like these members. It sure irks me though to know that there are people out there who still feel it is okay to ridicule other races, ethnic groups or peoples different from them. Love everybody - God created everyone.

keras · Oct 20, 2025

Guojing said:
None of those scriptures refute my point

Oh, so you mean - Jacob as our literal, actual father?

It is obvious that scripture here is drawing a Spiritual meaning. Those people with the attributes of Jacob, as he was an Overcome for God, who can claim to be a child of Jacob.

BCP1928 · Oct 20, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
How will it be achieved?

That's what no one can figure out. All over the former Ottoman Empire the Brits and the French carved out nation states--Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan--and gave them to the locals, except for the province of Palestine. In Palestine, the Brits decided instead to create a western-oriented secular state and populate it with European immigrants. The locals have never really gotten over it.

Hentenza · Oct 20, 2025

Jipsah said:
Arrant rubbish; you're just reciting the docgtrine you believe now.

So refute it. Your reaction here doesn’t count.

Hentenza · Oct 20, 2025

Jipsah said:
What post number was that?

383 and 386

seeking.IAM · Oct 20, 2025

caffeinated hermit said:
How do you guys feel about King Charles praying with Pope Leo XIV?

All Christians ought to be able to pray together.

Hentenza · Oct 20, 2025

RDKirk said:
In Romans, Paul makes it pretty clear that man is helpless to change his condition without God's grace in making the choice possible. And from John 6, unless the Father draws a man, that man cannot come to Christ. The initial action is on God's part. God is the prime mover, but man has a choice of reaction.

Right. The seed is the word, the draw. God is the sower. What people do with the seed is the choice, the level of reaction. The soil is not static.

iluvatar5150 · Oct 20, 2025

Servus said:
Based on what I looked up it leans left.

"subscribers to The Economist likely align with liberal or centrist positions".

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist-media-bias

That's because libs are more likely to read, while conservatives are more likely to watch tv. On top of that, conservatives are more likely to listen to hyperpartisan garbage. I like this chart because it shows the distribution of news and opinion outlets along a spectrum of straight reporting-partisan hyperbole. You can see that the left side is skewed way more towards straight reporting and fact-dense analysis at the top, whereas the right side is almost devoid of that, being clustered around opinion and what is essentially propaganda. Anything that deals in straight reporting is naturally going to have a larger audience among the left/center.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Oct 20, 2025

BCP1928 said:
The former Ottoman Palestine.

How will it be achieved?

Fervent · Oct 20, 2025

Anyone who engages in politics accepts violence as legitimate in some form, the question is when and where it is called for not whether or not it is. Even a pacifist like Dietrich Boenhoeffer accepted that there is point where the only appropriate resistance is to engage in violence. And of course there is an argument that politics is nothing more than discussing who should have the exclusive right to inflict violence upon the citizenry since government possesses an accepted monopoly on force.

Fervent · Oct 20, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
Morality is the sentiments we have about acts. In what way are you using it? Even given a Creator-given purpose how is that more than the Creators sentiment, why should that carry any weight?

Morality is discussion of what constitutes the good(and by extension the evil)...if it is merely sentiments, then there any supposed discussion is purely fictitious and arbitrary. Morality is the discussion of how things ought to be, which cannot simply be sentiment. If things that we feel are right are in fact neither right or wrong in some intrinsic fashion, then the only question is what we have the capacity to get away with. A Creator-given purpose gives something intinsic we can use as a benchmark for making determinations, and the existence of purpose means there is a way that things are supposed to be such that we ought to act in accordance with them. It goes beyond mere sentiment because the Creator has the ability to define reality and doesn't change depending on circumstances.

Stopped_lurking said:
What is the difference between true and non-true morality, and what makes that difference? What is assisted human reasoning in contrast to unassisted human reasoning?

A true morality identifies what is and isn't right, a non-true morality is arbitrary sentiments that really doesn't matter to anyone except the person holding them (and by extension those who agree with them). Assissted human reasoning is reasoning that has had information arising from an external source, while unassissted human reasoning is attempts to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and create knowledge from ignorance.

Ophiolite · Oct 20, 2025

friend of said:
You're ignoring the fact that Baltimore and other places like it, run by democrats, are basically war zones of crime

And you are merely cherry picking to preserve your distorted view of reality. I can understand that this works effectively for you by sustaining a worldview that makes you feel comfortable. However, empty rhetoric filled with confirmation bias will not convince those of us to prefer to deal with comprehensive, factual analysis. Good luck, as you journey down your rabbit hole.

prodromos · Oct 20, 2025

You say the following:

Apple Sky said:
I'm under the impression that many of these astronauts have signed some sort of NDA form & if they speak out it's the chop for them and their families.

and then you immediately sum up your own claims with the following:

Apple Sky said:
Absolute rubbish, try again .........

I could not agree more with this sentiment. It describes all your posts on this topic.

Niels · Oct 20, 2025

Trump is unapologetically unprincipled and lacking in character. The guy loves money above all else and has a middle school mentality. That's his brand and he revels in it. Corruption and vice have been part of the package for decades. Unfortunately, none of this matters to his constituents.

They seem to regard politics as inherently dirty and their strategy is to have the dirtiest guy on their side. An approach that has worked to an extent, but stands to backfire badly in my opinion. Ill gotten gains don't have as strong a foundation as those obtained with integrity.

The previous administration was also corrupt, but Trump takes the cake.

Clare73 · Oct 20, 2025

Hawkins said:
I am still optimistic about the fate of God's chosen people.

They are God's chosen people as long as they believe in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16), and no longer (Ro 11:16-23).

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 20, 2025

Chesterton said:
Former CNN anchor Don Lemon also recently suggested ICE agents enforcing the law should be shot.

‘Wait, what?’ Don Lemon urges non-whites to go out and buy guns

Ex-CNN anchor Don Lemon appears to be encouraging non-whites to arm themselves in case federal authorities come to their door. He d the advice during a podcast […]

www.bizpacreview.com

Isn’t that what the second amendment is for?

Fervent · Oct 20, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
Still, we do them and we often try to find common ground with those we talk to. If we do that then we can act politically. There is still room for moral discussions in my world, if you want to exclude it you are of course free to do so.

All you're doing is creating a moral standard that amounts to nothing more than what is popular is right, which might be expedient for social cohesion it doesn't legitimize the sentiments as moral. The idea of right and wrong, apart from some objective element, is pure fiction. So why keep up the pretense that it is in any way discussions of morality, when it is just a matter of contemporary popular sentiment?

Stopped_lurking said:
I just want to point out that you just rephrased your own assertion in the description of what is a moral good. There is no explicit argument for the connection between telos and morality there.

I am aware, reasoning about morality is bound to run into the is-ought problem where there is a gap between premise and conclusion. But the problem is epistemic rather than metaphysical, and really only presents a problem to claims that we can arrive at true morality through unassisted human reasoning.

Neostarwcc · Oct 20, 2025

So yesterday I had some pretty bad chest pain on the way to get our errands done I wasn't sure what to do about the chest pain because it kept coming back I immediately called my mother who was a nurse and told her I was coming over and having her check me out and see I'd I needed to go to the hospital and she said "ok do you have a blood pressure cuff?" And I said "no mom I don't have one that will fit my arm." So she said "ok. Are you sweaty?" And my wife looked me over and said "not really" and mom said "ok describe the pain." And I said "it's like a squeezing pain and now my left arm hurts" and mom said "go to the emergency room don't come here keep me updated." So my wife drove me to the hospital luckily we weren't that far in town yet and got there within like 3 minutes.

When we got to the hospital they got me in immediately hooked me up to an ekg and the doctor asked me a whole bunch of questions, the ekg came back normal and the doctor asked me why I was on a blood thinner and I told her it my clot history and I told her about how a dentist had recently on Wednesday done dental surgery and held back my eliquis for a day with my doctors permission and she said "well that was risky you might have a clot we will check your blood and check for one." So they ran a blood test and long story short my dtimer test was 236 and normal is 230 so they attempt to put am iv in me for the CT scan to check for a clot and they can't get an iv in and they send for another doctor the other doctor comes in and asks me if I want to get the CT scan because if I do have a blood clot it's a very small one. Eventually as the doctor was talking to me they decided for me not to get the test because even if I had the small clot they would treat it with my eliquis anyway so they sent me home.

Anyway I tell you all of this because on my way back home from the hospital the chest pain came back and I was telling myself "okay so this is definitely a clot. But she just told me that if it's a clot the eliquis would treat it and to take it easy for a few days but if the chest pain gets worse to go back this is the same level of pain."

Anyway, I'm saying all of this because I want prayers. There's a chance that this clot could travel through my pfo to my brain I forgot to tell the er doctors about that yesterday. I don't want to go back to the er just to tell them that one detail so I'm not going back unless . Besides it's only a really small risk because I'm on my blood thinners again and have been since Wednesday night I'm just on edge and cautious. Plus I kind of wanted prayers that this clot would just naturally dissolve and pass through like the last three did. I'm a little scared and almost wish I had pushed for that CT scan last night but my wife had to go to bed for work and I trusted the doctor. I... cant believe that one detail had slipped my mind it was a very important detail to tell them... especially when 3 years ago aside from God's miraculous interference I would have needed open heart surgery because of that detail and it almost killed me.

Yttrium · Oct 20, 2025

Vambram said:
If Trump is corrupt, then so are our most recent presidents.

Even if true, that's not an excuse for corruption. It just means we have more people to investigate.

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