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President Trump welcomes Liberian President Joseph Boakai to the WH

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Yeah, they hate when people laugh at him, but then this stuff happens. I can get him not knowing that part of American history, but shouldn't his staff at least bother to prep him before he goes into a meeting like this?
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

That is a frequently used copout statement.
The Holy Spirit living in me knows and if I truly need to know for some good reason, He will help me to know.
I do not have any problem with Christ's parables; they were made to be understood by Christians after Pentecost.
I explained, you cant comprehend
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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Exactly. It was known languages. I never understood how it became what it is today.

Across cultures, religions, and spiritual traditions there are several examples of what can be broadly called "ecstatic speech". For example in Kundalini Yoga, or in various shamanistic traditions where an individual is believed to be possessed by a powerful spirit or spiritual force. Far from me suggesting a spiritual origin, I'm actually convinced that this is mostly psychology. Ecstatic speech is a phenomenon of human psychology. It shouldn't, therefore, be shocking that this sort of phenomenon has been recorded among some Christians, especially Christians who are primed to think in terms of spiritual experiences which highly energetic, emotionally charged. So such ecstatic speech arose within some Christian communities in the late 19th century; but a major shift came with the rise of modern Pentecostalism in the early 20th century. And as Pentecostalism has given way to the more broad Charismatic movements of the 20th century, what began as small gatherings where ecstatic speech occurred it has become fully "theologized" as a system. So the biblical gift of tongues has become conflated with ecstatic speech.

In a sense, the story is probably kind of boring, human beings are funny creatures and our minds do weird things.

Though I suspect the story is probably more interesting than just this skeleton framework. Even if it were only from an historical or comparative religions study perspective.

-CryptoLutheran
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

If my bizarre assertions weren’t supported by your own assertions I wouldn’t make them. So if it IS a bizarre assertion on my end, why is it necessary that someone who has read the law and commented here be a lawyer? And why would you take the word of abortion rights activists at face value?
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The Bible, Age of the Earth and Evolution

What does it matter?

If the earth is billions of years old, so what, and how does that effect your faith?

If you take the Old Testament literally, you'll come into trouble. It isn't meant to be
a textbook on history, but rather the relationship between God and man.

I watched Dr Jordon Peterson's programs on Genisis and Exodus, which is on
the Daily Wire. Requires a subscription but was really good. He had a panel of
scholars and experts on including Bishop Barron and Denis Prager.
Reread my OP.
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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

I've often shared my story of having been raised in a tradition that focused on an individual, personal, sincere effort to get saved that led me to a very dark place spiritually. My struggle was whether I had "meant it" when I "asked Jesus into my heart"; and so found myself in a state of constant fear and doubt begging God to save me. And the harder I tried, the more I wanted to be spiritual, faithful, sincere, the further and further away God seemed to be. Jesus grew remote, distant, and angry in my mind.

It was the work, primarily of Lutherans, but also Reformed folk, to speak of the pureness of grace that stilled the wild storms of fear and doubt in my soul. It was this experience which ultimately brought me into the Lutheran tradition, where I remain. But at that early period of my life I was, arguably more inclined to the Reformed/Calvinist side. The Lutheran tradition with its very "Catholic" way, vs the much more familiar "Protestant" way of the Reformed tradition was closer to where I was as a born-and-bred Evangelical Protestant (mixed non-denominational, Baptist, and Pentecostal upbringing). Ultimately, however, it was the Lutheran focus on Grace rather than the Reformed focus on Divine Sovereignty that became the central issue: The Calvinist schema is one that is highly logical, rational, beginning with certain axioms rooted in Scripture and then works up from those axioms toward theological conclusions--it's all very self-consistent and rational. Lutheranism, on the other hand, just isn't interested in being rational; and yet where Lutheranism says that yes God has chosen us, because that's what Scripture says; Calvinism says that yes God has chosen us, but that must by necessity mean that God has passed over, neglected, or otherwise chosen by negation the rest who are damned and irreparably reprobate. Yet in Scripture I could find nothing about God picking and choosing who would and would not be saved; but rather the words of comfort: God has chosen you; and at the same time Scripture time and again emphasized that God's love is for all, that Christ died for everyone; that there is a universal mercy in the Gospel, and that Christ's work is universal in scope (not that all will be saved, but that God wills that all be saved).

It is because the word of God declares who God is, as revealed in Christ, that I ultimately could not follow the Calvinist path. I could never shake the sense that Calvinism obscures God behind a veil of Sovereignty where the light of the Gospel cannot fully shine. A theological mist that obscures the pure visage of Christ the God-Man and Suffering Mediator.

I don't know if this is the kind of argument against Calvinism the OP would be interested in. I think there are plenty of raw biblical arguments that exist, but I wanted to present something more personable. Less a "Why you shouldn't be a Calvinist" and more of a "Why I'm not"

-CryptoLutheran
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Does the "reign in the influence of Israel" movement need a Tucker Carlson to be credible?

Do you feel the same about Ukraine?

The suggestion is that if Israel can afford it, they should buy weapons from us instead of receiving aid is a “compromise” with those who don’t want to support Isreal unconditionally.

You and I have engaged in previous debates, so you may already be familiar with my position. I support the US-Israel relationship in the same way that I support the US-Ukraine relationship. Providing aid, funds, and weapons to defend Israel or Ukraine is of greater importance than any monetary value. It is in the United States' interest to assist Israel just as it is in its interest to support Ukraine. I wish we could send more aid to Israel and Ukraine.

However, there is a growing bipartisan movement to limit Israel's influence, as seen in this thread. Although I disagree with both sides, all Americans have the right to their opinions. If the compromise is allowing Israel to purchase weapons from the US with its own funds and only providing aid when necessary, I prefer that over ending support for Israel entirely, as some advocate.
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Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

It's not fantasy. They have changed their sex parts over to fit who they are mentally and emotionally.

Christ never called us to disrespect others. Her called us to love each other equally.



The Catholic Church teaches Catholics to love and respect all people equally. LGBTQ doesn't change that.
It still doesn’t change their DNA. They are their biological sex, regardless. It’s more of playing dress up, really. It’s all cosmetic.

Loving someone means not condoning their sin. It’s one of the spiritual acts of mercy is to admonish sinners.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

Specifically, it says, “Because all sinned” and not “all were made sinners”. The word “all” does not have to include every conceived two cells to death, and can be just referring to mature adults, the people Paul is addressing in Rome.

So, you believe unborn babies are sinners?

Why was Adam and Eve not born/created with this same “sin nature”, since they sinned?

Are you conveniently blaming Adam and Eve for your sinning?

If Adam and Eve sinned with only one way to sin, why would our “nature” have to change for us to sin with a ton of ways to sin?

Is it not good for some people to fulfill their earthly objective, that we have death and/or Christ coming back with judgement for all?

Bob Wilkin said: “It did so by Adam passing on a sin nature to his offspring. All children of Adam with an earthly father have a sin nature”.

The Bible does not say: “We received a sin nature from Adam after he sinned”, so what does this mean and where did that idea come from? Why wouldn’t having the knowledge of Good and Evil, be enough for all mature adults to sin, since Adam and Eve with their nature did not keep from sinning with only one way to sin?
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Adam passed down to all humans the knowledge of good and evil (The sin nature). Adam (and Eve) were not created and made with that knowledge, it came to them after they ate of the fruit.
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Is it important for Children to be safe and for justice to be served?

Interesting. So if I believe something to be sacred that should supersede the safety of others. Seems a bizarre stance to me, but then I believe the events of this life to be paramount .

Unless it conflicts with aspects of faith it would seem.

I do not find your lack of knowledge to be a good basis for making decisions on the safety of others. Perhaps we should ask them and ensure that is a papel decree?
Again, if it’s anonymous especially in a larger parish, the priest has zero idea who confessed. It’s bizarre some people think a rapist would confess when they think they did nothing wrong. That’s been my point all along.

this bill thankfully won’t pass SCOTUS nor is it helpful.

The last paragraph I wrote is 100% correct.
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Does the "reign in the influence of Israel" movement need a Tucker Carlson to be credible?

Are some progressives willing to accept the potential "help" on that issue, even if it comes from a source that may have contrasting viewpoints with them on other issues?

While I don't consider my views to be "progressive" I do think Carlson's comments will give cause some of his followers to question the amount of aid we provide Israel.

IMO, the current Israeli government's actions in Gaza are immoral and do not serve the long term interest of Israel (nor the U.S.). I believe many Israelis share that opinion.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

When He sinned, all in him sinned. He didnt act as a private person
You still haven’t cleared up what you mean by “all in him sinned”. That doesn’t mean anything to me unless you tell me what you mean when you say it. Now if you said ‘all in Adam died’, that is understandable since death entered the world by his sin.

He was God’s representative of man because he was the first one. We are all still responsible for our own sin.
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What is Church teaching on yoga and reiki?

Remember when Peter was called the rock one sentence by Jesus then Satan the next? It's like that with all humans. When looking at worldly practices like Reiki and Yoga, this is something one must discern.
Not even close!

Peter words were trying to dissuade Jesus from going to Jerusalem to die.

Doing Yoga exorcise doesn't deny Jesus's death and resurrection. Only an ill formed fundamentalist would believe
it to be satanic. :D
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Is This The New Normal?

Finally, we agree on something, so I'd prefer to build on that agreement instead of continuing the debate.

I do not support President Trump's immigration policy. Instead, I am more aligned with the approach of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" as advocated by President W. Bush.

However, President Trump was elected by the American people and is entitled to pursue his campaign promises. Unlike some of his predecessors, President Trump took effective measures to reduce illegal border crossings, and he deserves recognition for this achievement. Even major media outlets have reported a significant decline in illegal border crossings. I attribute this success to President Trump.

President Trump has the right to uphold his campaign promise by enforcing immigration laws, as long as he acts within legal boundaries. While some Democratic mayors, governors, or citizens oppose his policies, their dissent is a part of American democracy. Similarly, Governor Abbott challenged President Biden’s immigration policy in court and implemented state measures at the Texas border, reflecting how democracy functions amid disagreement. Despite obstacles, President Trump must adhere to legal procedures and should not deploy the military or send masked ICE agents into communities without warrants. Such actions go against American values symbolized by Reagan’s “shining city on a hill.” If we resort to these measures, it undermines our credibility to lead by example globally.
Comprehensive immigration reform is not needed if the border is wide open. And I do agree we need it, but it’s not going to happen. Why not?, you ask. Because if the issue is actually resolved, it cannot be a campaign issue/promise. And we all know that getting re-elected is more important that solving important problems like this.

But be that as it may, the current problem caused by the past administration needs to be dealt with, and since the leftist politicians have decided to break the law and harbor violent criminals as well as non-violent criminals, then this current administration bears the brunt of cleaning it up. And since no laws are being violated in the process and the Supreme Court has greenlighted the program, then it is what it is, no matter how much you dislike it.

Me? I’d prefer that all the politicians who agreed to uphold the Constitution and swore to protect their citizens would do just that. We owe NOTHING to the illegals who are here ILLEGALLY. In fact they have already received more money from our government than the veterans and the people who’ve lost everything catastrophically have received.
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Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

Look, it's a general understanding in "truthful" Christianity that all people are God's children, so there's that.

And as such every last person has love in themselves to give. Even if it's just to love their own sorry hides.

And if these things are true, I believe they are. Then they already are born of God and know God. Now, granted, you might have more understanding with Jesus, God in Christ. But that really doesn't do you much good if you're trying to burn your supposedly love neighbors alive forever now does it? Kind of ridiculous, really.

John the Apostle certainly gave us enough space to be gracious to every last person on earth who has ever lived:

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

This^^^ I believe, is TRUE.


Whenever I gather with any group, and there is prayer, like before a meal, I recite this scripture as a reminder to everyone.

It makes for a very happy meal. It really does. And you'd be soooo surprised how Jesus shows up, and how quickly. It makes everyday worth living just to participate.
And if your love for neighbor is real, I'd be more concerned about the eternal destiny of that neighbor. You've assumed that anyone who believes in hell sort of gloats and revels in the notion, but the opposite is true for many, maybe even most. Have you reserached much on the sex trafficking trade? You may end up wanting to spend time praying for the repentance of your neighbor whose engaging in such depraved and incomparably selfish, anti-love pursuits. Their change of heart might not only save them from the justice they otherwise deserve but save many from the ugliest kinds of victimization and suffering that they cause in this world.
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As Texas Flood Deaths Rise, Officials Blast Faulty Forecast by National Weather Service

Officials have yet to explain who did what during critical early hours as deadly floods hit Texas

Nearly a week after floodwaters swept away more than a hundred lives, Texas officials are facing heated questions over how much was – or was not – done in the early morning hours of Friday as a wall of water raced down the Guadalupe River.

Authorities were pressed again Wednesday when they shared little information about the early hours of the emergency, instead calling attention to their swift response later in the day on July 4.

No official in Kerr County has been able to answer who, if anyone, was in charge of emergency management the night of the flood. An emergency manager is generally someone who oversees local mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery efforts before, during and after an emergency.
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Fla. public school teachers can't demand students, staff use wrong pronouns: Appeals court panel

To make the actual point.
Thanks for proving my point
The point is something doesn't have to be commonplace to be a serious problem.
That is correct. Stats show that LGBTQ make up about 8% of teachers and 20% of students.

But, 80% of them report being bullied in school. That is a far more serious problem than a teacher wanting to be called Ms. rather than Mr.
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So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) judges, including Trump appointees, have called a halt to Trump executive actions

Federal judge issues new nationwide block against Trump’s order seeking to end birthright citizenship

The ruling from [W-appointed] US District Judge Joseph Laplante is significant because the Supreme Court last month curbed the power of lower court judges to issue nationwide injunctions, while keeping intact the ability of plaintiffs to seek a widespread block of the order through class action lawsuits, which is what happened Thursday in New Hampshire.

Ruling from the bench, Laplante granted a request from immigration rights attorneys to certify a nationwide class that “will be comprised only of those deprived of citizenship” and issued a preliminary injunction indefinitely blocking Trump’s Day One order from being enforced against born and unborn babies who would be impacted by the policy.
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Chocolate Vanilla's Journal ^w^ =3

[Hugs] Hi Riley!! ^w^ :hug::hug::hug::hug::):):cookie::cookie::custard::custard:

Reading is so much fun!! Thank God for reading and books!!
Agree.
It's better as a hobby than many things. It's one of the best !!
Young people should put more time in reading, they put too much time in either sports or video games. If they put more time in reading, they'd be happier.
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