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You know, I was having this discussion the other day about people who put too much stock into pastor/priest/pope/denomination teaching and not enough time letting God show you what his own word says and means. People are too scared to go down that road and I get it, fear of getting stuff wrong but why are you using people as your safety net when God should be? Do you not have faith that he can lead his flock? We as a body, are supposed to sharpen each others iron, but no one should have the final say besides God on what the truth is. I seriously think this is the ultimate reason why the church is diverting from truth (2 Timothy 4:3-4). The biggest population under the Protestant umbrella, believe you do not have to be obedient and classify it as legalism instead of a changed heart. But it is only going to get worse from here...
Thank you for that insight. I agree with you. Yes, it is a sad situation indeed.
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trump administration mull ending Habeas Corpus.

But will the Supreme Court agree? So far they have not been anxious to confront Trump. Is there a line somewhere? I don't think it's clear.
They did rule against him on Abrego Garcia.

It is true that for the most part, the Supreme Court has been taking his side since his re-election. However, one should note that few (any?) of them are actual merits cases and are just injunctions. In a legal podcast I listen to (can't remember which one, but I'm almost certain it was either Advisory Opinions or Divided Argument), I remember it being noted that after Abrego Garcia, it seems Trump's Department of Justice has been more careful with its injunction appeals, pointing out as an example the actions against the law firms haven't had their injunctions appealed, probably because there's a higher likelihood of failure in those.

There are some actual merits cases coming up that involve Trump, so I suppose we can see in those. There's Learning Resources v. Trump (the Tariffs one) and Trump v. Slaughter (the Independent Agencies one). A case on birthright citizenship will probably get added sometime this term too.
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WHY THE LAW OF MOSES AND THE NEW COVENANT. AND WILL NEVER APPLY. FOR TODAY !!

As I said, you already have a doctrine in mind, and you are quoting only selected passages from John to reach that doctrine, and ignoring other passages from John as well as 1 John, that does not teach that doctrine.

At least acknowledge that and we can move on.
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Nope i have a promise made by Jesus. I simply believe it and like i said if you do not that is your problem.
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DOES THE. LAW. of MOSES SAVE ??

No. . .salvation has never been by law keeping. . .since Araham, salvation has been by faith (Ge 15:5-6).

The law was not given to save, the law was given to reveal sin (Ro 3:20).
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Do This and You Will Live – Luke 10:28
January 1, 1999 by Bob Wilkin in Grace in Focus Articles

There are two ways to be saved: believe in Christ or keep the commandments. Yes, I mean what I just said. A person could be saved by keeping God’s commandments. The passage we look at today makes this crystal clear.

An expert in the Law of Moses came to Jesus to test Him (Luke 10:25) and asked, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” The context shows that the lawyer was referring to gaining eternal life.

Jesus turned the questions back on him and asked what the Law of Moses said about that. The lawyer said, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself’” (Luke 10:17, quoting Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18).

How would you have responded to the lawyer’s answer? I probably would have said something like this, “Well, that may sound good, but that is wrong. Keeping God’s commandments can’t save us because we are all sinners. There is only one way to be saved, by believing in Christ and Him alone for eternal life.” While that answer is right in one sense, that isn’t the way the Lord answered. He chose a completely different way to respond.


The Lord Jesus said, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” Rightly? Do this and you will live? What’s up here? The answer can be found by taking the Lord’s reply seriously.

full article = Do This and You Will Live – Luke 10:28 – Grace Evangelical Society
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WHY THE LAW OF MOSES AND THE NEW COVENANT. AND WILL NEVER APPLY. FOR TODAY !!

If you are quoting John selectively, why not also use what he taught the little flock in 1 John as well, regarding eternal life and the conditions for that?
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That promise is complete and perfect as given, it needs no help. If you do not believe it then that is your problem.
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WHY THE LAW OF MOSES AND THE NEW COVENANT. AND WILL NEVER APPLY. FOR TODAY !!

In the flesh, we want nice things to apply to us on Earth.

The promises in the New Covenant are just so nice to have.

So its understandable why many Christians in the Body of Christ want those promises to be theirs too, just like physical healing in Psalms 103:3.
And it is good to hear from YOU. !!

And Gal 6;15 is a powerful verse and so is verse 16. as I will be doing an. OP on. it soon. !!

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Trump's reputation will age like fine wine

Because THIS is how a real President posts!

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Can you offer any evidence this is a real post by Trump? Doing some searching, I'm seeing people post images, but never any links to where he posted it. Now, it's possible it was posted but deleted, but if so there is normally archives one can access of them.

Other things that are suspicious about this image: If I look on Truth Social, there is a little icon next to the checkmark showing he is part of "Truth+ Premium" that is missing from the above. It also lacks the "ReTruths", "Likes", and date of posting that should appear at the bottom--and there seems to be too much of a blank space at the bottom of the image to believe that it just didn't copy that part. These are signs of a faked image. That combined with the apparent inability to show evidence he ever posted it leads me to conclude this is most likely a fake image.

While I put very little trust into AI results, when searching on Google (for "I'm not incompitent" and "Trump") Google's AI did tell me:

"President Donald Trump did not say "I'm not incompitent". The statement and its misspelling have been circulated widely in recent months on social media, especially Facebook, appearing in meme-like posts that attribute the quote to him. There is no official record of him making this specific statement."

Again, I put very little trust in what AI spouts at me without verification, but it tracks with what I've found, or more accurately not found, so far.
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WHY THE LAW OF MOSES AND THE NEW COVENANT. AND WILL NEVER APPLY. FOR TODAY !!

Why not leave the verses with. your , reply and if you desire why Gal. 6:15 then from KJV. is wrong and did I add

OR ADD. to that verse ??

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Why do you not know this already.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
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DOES THE. LAW. of MOSES SAVE ??

AND. the Law was set aside in. Acts 28:25-28 as Isa 6 ; 8-13. is. the proof. !!

As we are not under the Law BUT. under GRACE , and Rom 6:14 is. the proof !!

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Israel will keep the law perfectly in the 1000 year millennium rule of Jesus and all of Israel will be believers.
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WHY THE LAW OF MOSES AND THE NEW COVENANT. AND WILL NEVER APPLY. FOR TODAY !!

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Receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life, is only by belief in Jesus, has been since Adam, now and will be till it is over.
Why not leave the verses with. your , reply and if you desire why Gal. 6:15 then from KJV. is wrong and did I add

OR ADD. to that verse ??

And let me say this and I believe EVERY verse YOU. WRITE BUTTTT we are not UNDER the Law of Moses , meaning

the Old COVENANT or the NEW COVENANT. as Israel will live here on earth. with KING DAVID and CHRIST and where

the 12 apostles will sit on Thrones to JUDGE ISRAEL !!

WE , the BODY of Christ will GOVERN Gods UNIVERSE. and GOVERN ANGELS as 1. Cor. 6:2 and 3 , so where would

you want to BE ?? DO. you believe 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 ??

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WHY LAW OF MOSES. AND THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT TODAY V?

# 1 FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 IN //. EN is a PREPOSTION

# 3. CHRIST // CHRISTOS , in. the DATIVE CASE

# 4 JESUS // IESOUS. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 5 NEITHER // OUTE , is a CONJUNCATION

# 6. CIRCUNCISION //. DENTOME. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 7. AVAILETH. // ISCHYO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE . in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. th SINGULAR

# 8. ANY THING. // TIS , is a INDFINITE PRONOUN , is. a. ACCUSATIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

# 9 NOR //. OUTE , is a CONJUNCATION

# 10. UNCIRCUMCISION //. AKROBYSTIA. , in the NONINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 11. BUT. //. ALLA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 12. A NEW //. in. the NONINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 13. CREATURE // KTISIS. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 14 CIRCUMCISION , means Israel

A UNCIRCUMCISION means Gentiles

B MEANS , the BODY OF CHRIST , because are saved by GRACE , ONLY <. PERIOD

C. This also means to be RAPTURED / MEANS , CAUGHTUP

D SAVED , means that all read Rom 10:9. and 10

E And SAVED by Grace and nothing else. !!

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Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

Do you really want to talk about the corruption of Obama and Biden?

Donald Trump accepted a personal gift from Qatar, the Emir of Qatar, of a jet worth around $400 million (and probably a Trojan Horse.) If you totaled up every bribe in Amreican history before Donald Trump took office for his second term, would they add up to $400 million? I doubt it.

I don't have to defend Obama or Biden but I don't know anything even remotely similar when they were in office.
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Trump is right to clamp down on Portland’s Jacobins

You do realize most of those southern democrats became republicans under Nixon's southern strategy, do you not? Republicans are no longer the party of the urban interests pushing progressive ideals, they are the party of "individual liberty" and de-centralized authority. At least they were, when they stood by their ideals.
I was there. Anyone who was remembers LBJ bowing out, George Wallace running and taking most of the South, and Humphrey taking Texas. If you check, you'll find Nixon took most of the states. I look forward to an analysis of how the "Southern strategy" won the state of Wisconsin.

In 1972, the biggest thing to help Nixon was McGovern, which made the whole Watergate thing ironic. The Nixon win that year was a true landside. Guess it was the "Southern strategy that won New York State for Nixon - New York State went for Humphry in 1968.

McGovern did much to crack the Democrat hold. Reagan widened the cracks further. By the time George H.W. Bush ran for a second term, some were trying to start an alternate party (not Perot - another effort) rather than vote Republican.

Of course, not much is said out that, or of Bryd remaining a Democrat, or the lesser known Lester Maddox, or the even lesser-known-than-he J.B. Stoner. I personally heard Stoner TV ads that used the "N" word.

Now we come to the point where this eyewitness to such will be told he is wrong, that what he saw didn't happen;.
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Teens Who Savagely Attacked Well-Known DOGE Staffer Avoid Jail Time

Really? Trump pardoned random roving gangs on the street who attacked others in carjacking attempts? Don't think so.
Trump pardoned a thousand criminals who brutally attacked others while trying to assassinate the Vice President and Speaker of the House.
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The Corinthian Church

One of the more bogus early church beliefs comes from the credobaptists. Some assert infant baptism is rooted in historical pandemics. In the words of Franceso Arduini "The rationale behind infant baptism was simple: to guarantee salvation for the babies before they could be ripped from their parents’ arms by the merciless disease."

If true, such a seismic shift of belief and practice from credobaptism to paedobaptism would have been commented and debated upon in one of the canons of the early ecumenical councils (Nicea 325 AD, Constantinople 381 AD, Ephesus 431 AD, Chalcedon 451 and others). The purpose of these councils was to clarify Christian doctrine and address heresies, and make binding decisions for the church at large. However, there is no evidence in in these ecumenical councils approved of such a change. Silence.

Historical pandemics is just another attempt by the credos to EXPLAIN AWAY infant baptism altogether.

Even more compelling is that we have both scriptural and ancient liturgical evidence for the baptism and communion of infants.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

The narratives promoted by these protestors—such as claims of authoritarianism or dictatorship—may not have merit, yet millions of Americans subscribe to these perspectives. In a democracy, we do not have the privilege of disregarding public opinion based on personal beliefs. Within a democratic framework, there are two primary approaches: one can work to change public opinion or choose to align with it. Merely criticizing or dismissing public sentiment is generally considered unwise in a democratic society.

Regardless of one's position on these protesters, it is clear that millions of Americans are participating in this movement and intend to voice their dissatisfaction at the polls in thirteen months. Historical trends suggest that when public sentiment is strongly reflected, significant political shifts can occur. For instance, in 2018, a comparatively smaller protest group contributed to Democrats gaining 40 seats in the U.S. Congress. Similarly, the Tea Party movement in 2010, which was notably smaller than the current No King movement, resulted in a 60-seat shift and led to Republican control of Congress for the 2011 legislative year. In 2006, the anti-war movement—less prominent than the No King movement—also shifted Congressional power toward the Democrats. These events illustrate how changes in public opinion have influenced legislative outcomes in recent American history.

Republicans and the White House might label protesters as anti-American, as Speaker Johnson did, then highlight their policy achievements on Fox News to supporters or adjust policies to increase among some Americans who are not part of MAGA movement so there are more then 40% American vote for republican on mid-term. Ultimately, for Republicans to retain control of Congress, they will need broader support beyond their core MAGA base.
The Demeocratic Party has lost a lot of support. The No Kings protests are emblematic of the radical left. In watching videos of the protests in is very apparent that they are do radicalized that they would NEVER give support to Republicans No matter what they did. This is the Democratic Party today. This is who has taken over the party. Mid terms are historically a loss for the Party in power. Its happened to nearly every president. I don't think thats going to happen this time. As long as the economy stays relatively stable and doesn't suddenly tank i think the Republicans keep the house and the senate. Only 27% of Americans have a positive view of Democrats.

Normal Americans do not support the radical left. Democrats are losing voters.

New York Times Report Is Horrifying News For Democratic Party

So unless they make a change ir something happens to the economy the Democrats are going to in trouble the next election. And the longer the Democrats keep the government shut down they will see a decline in support.
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Can man, without the light of faith, by his reason alone, know that God exists?

We basically agree here. No one can come to God unless He draws Him and man in its natural state can not come to God but if God draws him (seed) then He can become a believer. This IS the same argument that I made at the beginning of this thread. If natural man can reason God’s existence then God drew him to Him and he then would become a believer.

"Can" become a believer and "would" become a believer are two very different things.

When drawn, it becomes possible for a man to become a believer. Without God making the initial move, it's impossible for a man to become a believer.

But "would" implies that God's call is irresistible, which is not the case...which is what I said at the beginning of this tangent.
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The Economist: Trump's approval rating crashes!

I didn't say it wasn't factual. I said: "Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers". Specifically it was 1,622 out of 1.25 million subscribers. Which means 892 people disapprove.
What are you talking about? I'm talking about Media Bias Fact check:-

It is widely used, but it has been criticized for its methodology.[6] Scientific studies[7] using its ratings note that ratings from Media Bias/Fact Check show high agreement with an independent fact checking dataset from 2017,[8] with NewsGuard[9] and with BuzzFeed journalists.[10]
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The Schumer Shutdown

I would prefer commercial insurance be completely optional with everyone on Medicare. Medicare is already a proven model that can be configured for universal coverage.
Hmmm - not quite.

The Federal government should:-
1. Have Medicare give universal health cover for life-saving hospital care to all citizens. It's a human right.
2. Buy over half the hospitals so that they are Government Owned and Operated.
3. Create a Federal agency (like Australia's PBS) to buy bulk generic meds and equipment with economies of scale to drive down cost per unit.
These 3 pillars are the only way to cover ALL citizens at HALF the price!
America could save $1 TRILLION a year!
Healthcare in the United States - Wikipedia

RESULT: Australian citizens go to the doctors more, go earlier, get diagnosed earlier, and treat the condition sooner - which has better outcomes but is also cheaper!
U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2022: Accelerating Spending, Worsening Outcomes

EG: WHY AMERICAN BIG PHARMA HATES AUSTRALIA’S PBS
US pharmaceutical giants urge Trump to put further tariffs on Australia
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