Carl Emerson said:

Please explain...

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I'm not up to giving the full explanation because I'm not that invested in this conversation, but essentially it comes down to Jewish burial practices in the first century informing Jesus' meaning. From the text, there's no reason to think there was a provocative reaction, though Jesus did likely had an element of sarcasm to His words. But sarcasm isn't always intended to cause offense.

Fervent said:

If he used public money, you'd complain. He uses private money, you complain. Honestly, is your issue what he is doing or just the fact that he is president and you don't like that? Because there's enough legitimate issues to go after him on that pettiness like this just makes seem like sour grapes.

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Is it seriously so hard to understand he is physically tearing down parts of an historic monument to the governance and power of this country?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

People freaked out over the removal of statues to Confederate heroes. People flipped out over Biden hosting an event with some trans people at the White House. People flipped when Obama put up some rainbow lights for a single occasion. This unpopular president decides, entirely on a whim, he's going to make a renovation that is bigger than the residence itself, to a house that doesn't belong to him. He didn't run on this in the election. No one asked for it. He hasn't gone through Congress and let the People of this nation decide if this is something that is needed or wanted. He just got a bunch of his rich buddies to put their money together and buy a part of OUR NATIONAL HOUSE. It makes me sick just to have to explain this outloud as I'm typing.

Go enjoy your palatial ballroom. Oh wait.. you can't. It's not for people like us.

Carl Emerson said:

I have ministered in Israel also and have a deep love for the Jewish people.

However their religious orthodoxy is staunchly anti-Jesus.

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If you’re talking about the dudes dressed in black with silly hats and pigtails yes. But they even irritate normal Jews. The percentage of them in comparison to the Jewish population worldwide is negligible enough to say they don’t represent Jews.

I have not found that crowd has enough influence among Jews in general to not be able to effectively minster to Jews.

I think I can safely say. Who isn’t anti-Jesus until they run into Jesus?

Chesterton said:

I've invited you to put forth the effort twice and you didn't. You've put forth no effort.

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That you appear incapable of comprehending is not a reflection of the effort I have put forward.

Chesterton said:

There is no issue.

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So you continue to assert. At this point I will leave you to your continued confusion that people are capable of understanding that differs from yours.

<Wipes the dust from his boots>

eclipsenow said:

But they do. We've been in one - roughly - for a few million years.

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A few million? Uh-uh. Three hundred years ago, we were still in the Little Ice Age. The Medieval Warm Period ended not even 800 years ago. The last glacier maximum was only about 26,000 years ago. About 12,000 years ago, the Sahara had forests and grasslands. During the last glacier maximum, there were sand dunes in parts of what's now the Southeastern US. Some are still existent. Bluegrass, in North America associated with the latitude of Kentucky, was found hundreds of miles further south.

Much more recently, the coast of the state of Georgia was hammered by hurricanes in the 19th Century, but not in the 20th. My father remembers a period of time warm enough that he saw no point in springing for a heater for his first vehicle (heaters were optional then). Lupine had become a cover crop so common that part of the US was dubbed the Lupin Belt. Then the winters turned colder, with back to back cold winters all but wiping out the lupin seed stock and farmers used more chemical fertilizers to take up the slack. In my lifetime, anything more than a dusting of snow locally was practically unheard of, but in the last half of my life there have been more measurable accumulations of snow.

Equilibrium? Not hardly.

Belk said:

If you do not see it then I feel no particular desire to waste more effort on you.

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I've invited you to put forth the effort twice and you didn't. You've put forth no effort.

Belk said:

Indeed. What a way to minimize the issue.

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There is no issue.

Fervent said:

Perhap, though I think there's a cultural element that is missing in your analysis.

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Please explain...

rjs330 said:

I thought we were talking about the military strikes on these smugglers. Isn't that what this thread is about?

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If you can't follow the conversation perhaps injecting yourself is a poor choice.

Vambram said:

The military is not doing illegal acts in stopping illegal drugs from killing our people.

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If I increase the font will you finally read and understand my post?

I. AM. NOT. TALKING. ABOUT. THE. MILITARY.

Daniel Martinovich said:

That is kind of a cultural opinion but not some iron clad fact of life The first church I was a member of was half Jewish. I cut my teeth in ministry among Jewish people. They were by far my favorite unbelievers to minister to. Have you ever seen one for Israel salvation testimony video’s? Very uplifting and faith building. You aught to watch a few. I just picked a random one here. Login to view embedded media

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I have ministered in Israel also and have a deep love for the Jewish people.

However their religious orthodoxy is staunchly anti-Jesus.

wild rose

Think twice before you leap.

Chesterton said:

I looked again. Nothing there.

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If you do not see it then I feel no particular desire to waste more effort on you.

Chesterton said:

I'm claiming there is recourse if and when it is an issue.

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Indeed. What a way to minimize the issue.

yum

maple bacon?

Valletta said:

Two “narco-terrorists” were killed in the strike off Colombia’s coast Tuesday, he said. The latest strike raises the death toll from the administration’s attacks to at least 34 people.

The ‘incredible’ friends who convinced Trump not to surge troops to San Francisco

The mercurial president said he’d received ‘four or five calls’ with some ‘very successful people’ who persuaded him to give San Francisco a chance

www.the-independent.com

There was a lot of money made in human trafficking during the Biden administration and the money the crime organizations now have to push drugs is going to make this a long war.

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It is hard for me to trust Trump because he is not transparent and provides little evidence in regards to these boat killings. (not too mention this is possibly illegal under international law.
In mis-speaking, Trump has said that by sinking a boat he saves 25 thousand lives.
Data (2003) though shows only 105,000 deaths due to drugs from both illegal and those overdosing with prescriptions. So 8 boats is saving 200,000 lives seems impossible.
Trump too seems to have mission creep going on with this part of the war on drugs. First it was Venezuela. Now it is Columbia. Yet, one man in the submarine that survived was from Ecuador. The justification for blowing up the boats is widening by country and by what is a "Foreign Terrorist Organization." Evidence is scant as to who is on board and what groups they are with. In general, we should be very skeptical of Trump's claims and justifcation for military action, especially lethal ones. Wars are often justifed based on hyperbole, deciet, lies, and false flag operations. Of course the drug threat is real but is Trump being real with Americans for wanting to police the entire Carribbean?

In Christian terms, Trump also may not meet the moral tests that the bible requires. Several times in the bible is it mentioned that two or three witnesses are required to establish a fact.

While Trump likely could be tried as a war criminal if the USA is a signer of the ICC, a Christian should ask is the USA obligated by its signature in any international agreements? Specifically the USA ratified the ICCPR in 1992.

• Right to life: Article 6 of the ICCPR protects the fundamental right to life, which cannot be arbitrarily taken. Human Rights Watch states that the US strikes violated international human rights law by not attempting non-lethal alternatives and by failing to show that the people on board posed an imminent threat to life.

A moral country should stick to its obligations. The USA has consented to a larger layer of government at the world level. Thus we are subject to those authorities? Granted they are weak but our leaders signed on. We should withdraw if we are not going to follow them.

Fervent said:

Maybe, though Augustine's the easy captor to identify. Especially when we see that a church without him having strong influence easily resisted similar doctrinal movements.

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Remember, Ephesians 6:12.
That identifies the real culprits.
Jesus said the chief is the father of the lie. John 8:44
It's true, many puny men are ministers of Satan 2 Corinthians 11:15, but these don't have as much influence over human who develop pride and self exaltation. Especially where, as Paul said, 'knowledge' puffs up. 1 Corinthians 8:1

Ovid lies in a tomb.

NATOM

Hentenza said:

I disagree. Read the article that I posted in my post 29. Committing crimes has consequences.

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Still, experts say, U.S. warships will probably do little to dent what is an extraordinarily lucrative market.
“There is an overproduction of cocaine in the producing countries,” said Alberto Arean Varela, a regional coordinator for the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. “There’s more to smuggle.”
“We cannot stop using drugs,” he added.

The article notes the evolving methods Cartels use to smuggle drugs. And ends with the above conclusion.

Yes, committing crimes does have consequences. That boat blown out of the water off the coast of the Dominican Republic could have been interdicted by the U.S. Coast Guard....as they have been doing for decades. The occupents could have been prosecuted and faced the consequences,

This administration chose instead to sumarily execute them. That isn't the actions of a country that touts the rule of law.

And such actions will have little effect on the Cartel operations. They will simply find other ways to ship their product.

Bradskii said:

I think we have a problem if denigrating a few million people with assumed negative stereotypes as we've just seen is acceptable. And I wasn making those descriptions up either. Someone else made them up.

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I didn’t say all of them (my son was at one of those rallies) but just read their signs and listen to their interviews and you won’t have to assume anything

jas3 said:

Your beliefs on this aren't exactly a secret, even if someone only read this thread.

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Never have been a secret nor did I pretend it to be so. I’ve been here since 2007 and debated in many threads and you’ve been here for a couple of years and pretend to know me and what I believe? And obviously you have a bad impression of me. I don’t think I’ve ever talked to you before.

jas3 said:

No, it's because you haven't been willing to engage with discussion about your premise and want to restrict answers to a "yes" or "no," which comes across as a cheap "gotcha" tactic rather than a good faith invitation to a discussion.

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Why would it be a gotcha tactic. It didn’t have to be a yes or no question. I told you to get creative. Don’t assume. If this insults you so then maybe some prayer might help. We are both Christians so maybe a little brotherly love might be in order.