Bad news: Groupon doesn't service the cave's area.

BCP1928 said:

It's still happening now and getting worse.

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(out of context here but appropriate and correct anyway)

Christworshiper said:

I feel the exact same way. Although, I've only recently changed my views on Deacons. We only had one in my NYC parish in the 70s. Today, you will see several in almost all the parishes. I think the shortage of priests has something to do with it. The Church has also put much stricter guidelines on becoming a Deacon now, which I like.

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I didn’t know that. I like the idea that the guidelines are stricter, too.

BCP1928 said:

costing us more money than we can afford. For us, that's the armageddan

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historically, the world church/babylon incognito/ planned bankrupting all the towns, cities, countries, and people long (centuries) ago; every year, every day, all the way.

FenderTL5 said:

It is obvious. He bluntly said it "would not touch" the existing building. The east wing and the west wing (in July, when that statement was made) were part of the existing building. The Oval office is in the White House, just as The Office of the First Lady is an entity within the White House.

He lied - again, and you seemingly support it (thus you have my prayers).
I agree that he is inarticulate, he's also dishonest and has proven so time and again. This is merely another example.

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You're nitpicking about his words in spite of the logical evidence. The "existing building" obviously refers to the house itself, not the wings. The title of this thread is "White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom". In July the White House released a press release which said they were going "to replace the current East Wing". Simple physics - two physical structures cannot exist in the same place at the same time. There was no lie.

Fantine said:

You're wrong. What gave Harris a loss of less than 1% (a micro-tragedy, not a mandate) were people stayng home. The candidate change really hurt.

A lot of them now have skin in the game, having been fleeced by inflation, tariffs, budget cuts, health costs.
People who've been fleeced register their displeasure.

And while i, being a "just one look, that's all it took" am shocked it took them so long, they are welcome.

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Voter registrations say you are wrong.

Holy Universe said:

But riddle me this: isn’t it also necessary to have the right gospel understanding and the right Jesus?

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Can any man save another man if the other man strongly all their life believes totally a false gospel ?
Will (or can) any apostle or angel or evangelist convert the ones who are dead walking ?

The Christians who would not compromise and dishonor God found themselves in a dilemma. Satan had worked things around so that you were forced to honor the pagan "day of the sun" or pay the penalty. Even after the Emperor's Sunday law, many Christians continued to honor and keep holy the seventh-day Sabbath that their Saviour had kept. God knew what was going on and had predicted that the man of sin would "think to change times and laws." Satan was about to pull off a world-wide hoax.

Bibles were forbidden by the priests. As the years went by, the new generations (without Bibles) would forget all about the Sabbath of the Lord.

Not only that - from time to time, great church councils were held. In nearly every one, the Sabbath which God had given as a memorial of His creation of the world was pressed down and Sunday was exalted. The pagan festival finally came to be regarded as the "Lord's day" (by Pope Sylvester, 314-337 A.D.) and the church leaders pronounced the Bible Sabbath a relic of the Jews, and those who honored it, in obedience to the fourth commandment of God, were pronounced to be "accursed."

To rip out the commandment right in the center, put in Sun- day worship as a counterfeit, take the Bibles away, and command the whole world to accept it - this was the king of all swindles!

Keep in mind that our God is kind and fair. Those who are keeping Sunday and breaking God's fourth commandment ignorantly are not under condemnation. It's only those who know what God commands and willfully disobey who are committing sin. God's enemy knows that to break one of God's commandments is a sin which hurts our Saviour and robs us of eternal life with Him if not repented of.

Satan laid this plot so deep that even many ministers are not aware of it. Many religious leaders are putting forth desperate efforts to keep the facts on this subject away from the people. Shocking but true, many ministers have not learned at school anything different than their teachers have learned before them. Then they teach their congregations what they learned from their teachers. It is perpetuated for generations. This is why even your own parents or grandparents may not have understood what God's word teaches about His seventh-day Sabbath. But when people honestly study the Bible for themselves - their eyes are opened. Many people take the preacher's word and just don't study God's word for themselves.

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God. Now go into your history books and prove me wrong, I challenge you to do so.

So sisters and brothers read your bible for yourself and pray for understanding. Don’t let some unlearned or false preacher deceive you. The Sabbath of the Lord has, and will always be the seventh day of the week (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) and has not been changed.

eclipsenow said:

Meanwhile NSW is about to experience record-breaking heat for October today.

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How long have these records been kept?

Let's see...NSW...New South Wales... Yamba Pilot Station data goes back to 1922. I found a year of 1889 but not where in New South Wales or any specifics. Also found where Sydney, New South Wales, hit 39.1 C (that's 102.4 F for us Americans). On October 25, 2019, it hit 38.2 C (100.8 F), It hit 38.2 C on October 4, 1942. Sydney, New South Wales, hit 38 C on October 21, 2025. That's 100.4 F.

Bourke Airport hit 44.8 C (112.6 F) on October 21, 2025. A place called Brewarrinna hit 43.9 C (111.0 F) on October 31, 1919. All Brouke Airport has to do now is to hit 44.9 C in October to break the record it set on October 21. Just one tenth of a degree C. That's not quite two tenths of a degree F.

Valletta said:

False. In a process that spanned centuries and in conjunction with the Holy Spirit the Catholic Church chose the 73 books of the Bible in the later
300s. Those 73 books have been declared the Word of God by the Catholic Church and no man has the power to change the Bible in any way. Our Bibles still contain 73 books and are in the same order established in the late 300s.

False. The Catholic Church categorizes the Word of God, passed down from Jesus through the Apostles, as Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, sometimes referred to as "Scripture" or "Tradition."
Sacred Tradition is the Word of God as opposed to mere human tradition.


False. There was no state religion established during the reign of Constantine.

The truth is that Catholics worshiped on Sunday long before Constantine, as you can see in the Bible:

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight

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The Acts of the Apostles is the second book attributed to Luke, I believe written about 80-90 A.D., we now come to one of the most frequently quoted verses of Paul to support the false teaching of the sacredness of Sunday: (Acts: 20: 7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Now let’s take a close look at this verse and dissect it a little. Notice Paul continued his speech until midnight! It was after sunset, but prior to midnight. The first day of the week in biblical times did not begin at midnight, as men begin it today.

The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset. Throughout the Roman world at that time, and for a few hundred years afterward, days began and ended at sunset. The practice of beginning the new day at midnight was started much later.

So this meeting, and Paul’s preaching, took place during the time that we now call Saturday night. Remember when dealing with the Lord’s days the evening comes first. If you read more than just that one verse you would see what actually happen. Paul’s companions were engaged in the labor of rowing and sailing a boat while Paul was preaching that Saturday night and early Sunday. They had set sail Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended. Paul remained behind for one more farewell sermon. Then at day break Sunday morning, Paul set afoot, walking from Tro’-as to As’-sos to meet the ship. So actually Paul left Sunday Morning, but this verse (Acts: 20:7) says nothing about a change of the Lord’s Holy Sabbath day. And the term “break bread” simply means to eat, so every time Paul ate he broke bread, search it out for your self, the bible tells you to; (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Clare73 said:

He went to the synagogue on Saturday because they was where everyone congregated.
He went there to proclaim that he was the Messiah promised to them by God.

Heb 4:8-10:

"For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his."

That full-time Sabbath rest (Heb 4:4) is in our Sabbath, Jesus Christ, from our own work to save and in his work which saves to the uttermost (Heb 7:25).

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The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.

Tuur said:

Maybe. It was a huge boom that went bust right before the Great Depression. I think the neighbor's relatives were wiped out after the Lake Okeechobee Hurricane. That one claimed over 2,500 lives. At the start of the boom, no one gave much thought to hurricanes. They did after it was over.

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And they're doing it again without much thought to hurricanes. So let's say the AGW alarmists are right, and hurricanes are going to become, on average, stronger and more numerous. There will be a lot of property and infrastructure damage that must be repaired, over and above whatever emergency and short term aid is provided. Hurricane damage is already costing us 150 billion per year and the curve is said to be rising rapidly. That's a lot of money. Diverting it from more productive use slows the economy; just a little, but then there are the wildfires out west to think of--how many billions is that going to cost us? Yes they were foolish to build there may be but the bill is due, and in the end it will come out of our pockets. Sea level rise a little bit? No big thing? But every year the wave damage comes a little farther inland. I don't know if you saw on the news the last hurricane that came close to us in NC, but there was lurid footage of beach houses being swept into the sea. The thing is, those houses were already abandoned due to the waves gradually coming farther up the beach. More money for remediation. AGW is going to start costing us more money than we can afford. For us, that's the armageddan

Neogaia777 said:

You are very correct, it doesn't depend on our own works/righteousness, but there are some on this thread that still don't think they're ever going to be judged, etc.

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If you've been deemed fit for faith in Christ, you've been judged.

Neogaia777 said:

God Bless.

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Fantine said:

You're wrong. What gave Harris a loss of less than 1% (a micro-tragedy, not a mandate) were people stayng home. The candidate change really hurt.

A lot of them now have skin in the game, having been fleeced by inflation, tariffs, budget cuts, health costs.
People who've been fleeced register their displeasure.

And while i, being a "just one look, that's all it took" am shocked it took them so long, they are welcome.

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President Trump won a strong majority of votes in 31 states. He did win a mandate.

Fantine said:

You're wrong. What gave Harris a loss of less than 1% (a micro-tragedy, not a mandate) were people stayng home. The candidate change really hurt.

A lot of them now have skin in the game, having been fleeced by inflation, tariffs, budget cuts, health costs.
People who've been fleeced register their displeasure.

And while i, being a "just one look, that's all it took" am shocked it took them so long, they are welcome.

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You are incorrect.

A major Biblical error seeing these two different events as being the same event.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Benaiah468 said:

The exact location of Israeli settlements has been determined over the past 30 years by the Israeli Ministry of Defense,

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I don't care! Territorial integrity! Political independence!

In your anti-Palestinian zeal you are twisting some facts.

Israel is guilty of apartheid and illegally occupying foreign lands.

The UN decided the matter in 1948, some Arabs committed some acts of violent protest - and then Israel took EVEN MORE land and decided they would run the show ever since.

In THIS instance - Militant Zionism seems numerically far more deadly than Militant Islam. Israel stinks of war crimes. EG: They say they only target military locations, but then use excessive bombs with a 700 m kill zone that are then marketed on the international weapons scene as 'battle tested'. Israel have a history of not only marketing weapons to apartheid South Africa and Pinochet's Chile - but extending training in how to get away with the PR campaigns to justify those regimes!
(4 episodes by Australian Jewish reporter: The Palestine Laboratory Podcast )

Benaiah468 said:

In 1995, Israel AND the PLO agreed to divide the "West Bank" into three zones, A, B and C, as part of an interim agreement.

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Interim aka temporary. Towards the goal of 242! The goal of the UN Charter itself!

Benaiah468 said:

(The fences and tunnels you are demanding would therefore be superfluous. You should remain realistic: Who would really want to live with that? Spatial separation of Jews and "Palestinian" Arabs YES, but NOT LIKE THIS!).

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Sorry - I'm a bit exhausted and busy today. Do you have a map? I can't quite visualise what you're talking about.

Also - many modern cities have interstate highways cutting through them in a manner that is quite navigable. Israel is great at desert agriculture and gardens and drip-feed irrigation tech. With a little landscaping, I'm quite sure Israel could clad the DMZ walls in so many trees etc they would not even know it was there.

Benaiah468 said:

In 2005, the 17 jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip were evacuated within just two weeks, despite fierce resistance from their inhabitants. Israel's unilateral withdrawal was a mistake with disastrous consequences. The settlers were not the reason why there could be no peace with the "Palestinians". As far as the "West Bank" is concerned, Israel will not repeat the cardinal mistake it made in 2005. In other words, there will be no more terrorist states on Israel's borders...

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Oh - so you admit Israel IS dictating the terms to the UN now? OK - as long as you're open about it. Just kindly retract your reinterpretation of 242 and the very PURPOSE of the UN above.

Benaiah468 said:

, no Jewish-free, Sharia-led theocracies, neither in Gaza nor in the "West Bank".

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And... there it is. It WAS a certain way, therefore will ALWAYS BE a certain way. Because it's "Them".

Try re-reading what the UK, France, Canada, and Australia actually proposed about Palestinian leadership as they recognised a Palestinian state.

Benaiah468 said:

Israel should completely eliminate the threat and repopulate the Gaza Strip and Judea/Samaria with a Jewish movement.

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And now you're saying the quiet bits out loud.

Ethnic cleansing.

Gee - really sticking with 242 and the UN Charter hey?

Remind us why so many Jews fled Europe and Russia in the 1930's and 1940's?

Oh - and somewhere in your million-word thesis above - you claimed Palestinian authorities had NEVER granted Israel's right to exist?
That's Israeli propaganda. You've been had. Try reading outside your current echo-chamber. You'll have a greater chance of encountering reality.





The PLO accepted Israel's right to exist. But Israel remains adamant that they will not return the favour.

I can't read any more of your ranting today.

IF you reply, try to stick to the 300 word limit - and ONE post only.

Basically - this is what I hope happens within Israel one day.

(Comic - to take the edge off.)

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Vambram said:

The only people who participated in those protests Saturday were people who were never ever going to vote for a GOP person. IMO, those protests accomplished nothing except reveal to some Americans how hateful and radical some of those protesters really are.

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Not everyone likes a mirror.

Oompa Loompa said:

Name something the protest accomplished?

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Allowed trump to again, show you the quality of his character.

iarwain said:

and many Old Testament passages sound pretty rough - especially compared with the gospel

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Jesus was tougher than the OT passages - now, those who simply think those things in their heart are guilty, and deserve death. Notice also eternal death, not just destruction of the body...... there are no adulterers, liars, gays, greedy, false gospel believers and bringers, idolators , deceivers, and so forth in heaven in the life to come..... how to deal with all that, to prevent all those abominations in any group or place today , especially how not to be permanently contaminated , how to not be an abomination in God's Plan , how to be becoming like a little child allowed to see the kingdom of God.... important. Life and death differences.

Oompa Loompa said:

Oh no! Whatever are we going to do without the white geriatric liberals?

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Lose elections.

Oompa Loompa said:

Name something the protest accomplished?

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I reminder people weren't alone.

Oompa Loompa said:

Name something the protest accomplished?

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Giving people who don’t ordinarily get up off their butts to go to a political rally an opportunity to see how many like-minded people there are, was probably a benefit.

Oompa Loompa said:

Name something the protest accomplished?

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As someone else said "it made me feel comforted that I wasn't living in a country that had lost our collective minds"

Are there actually people who believe what he says?