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Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

Local news seemed to show a dozen or more people handcuffed, probably detained at the farm site. The farm was a marijuana grow as was the other raid further north.

The agitator side of things went a bit more feral as the feds headed out. Rocks thrown breaking windows, and cars briefly used to impede traffic.


There were vocal protesters hurling insults and sometimes water bottles at federal agents, and there were anxious friends and family of those who work at Glass House, a huge cannabis operation. Then there were curious bystanders like Mike Elliott, a Camarillo resident who voted for President Trump and stopped to see what was happening, saying he wanted to bear witness.

“I voted for Trump because he said he was going to go after the bad guys, and I know they’re there, but I don’t like what they’re doing now .... going after people at Home Depot or farmworkers in the fields.

“These are hardworking people — my gardener and his crew started working for my parents 20 years ago and now they work for me, and they’re illegal; they’re not bad people, they’re like family, and a lot of us depend on the work they do.

Also on hand was Oxnard native Christina Muñoz, who said she brought her 2-year-old son, 5-month old daughter and her mom in hopes of getting a glimpse of her husband, a member of the National Guard whom she hadn’t seen in 30 days.

“We thought it would be for just a few days,” she said, “but we didn’t see him for Father’s Day or the Fourth of July. We had no idea it would last this long.”

[That reminds me of another scene on the local news. Protestors were shaking hands with the fire and ambulance folks who were showing up to deal with medical issues, but the national guard (and ICE, etc.) were getting abuse.]

Protesters said that some people among the crowd had been detained. Jonathan Caravello, a philosophy professor at Cal State Channel Islands, was arrested, according to activist Angelmarie Taylor, who said she was one of his students and had accompanied him to the protest.

Taylor claimed Caravello was arrested as he tried to help a man in a wheelchair when agents were pushing the crowd to move back.

She said he and another individual “were piled on by multiple agents all at once” before being taken behind a line of agents to where several vehicles stood, “and we have no idea now where they are.”

“There are no narcos here,” [brother of a facility worker] said, “no one is armed here and they come fully armed, full of military personnel.”

Marc Cohodes, an investor and famed short-seller who has invested in Glass House, called the raid “beyond outrageous.” He added that Glass House is “the largest cannabis cultivator in the world” and “a highly regulated business fully licensed by the state of California. It’s run by a guy named Kyle Kazan, who is an ex-cop who plays by the rules and does things by the book.” Kazan, he added, is also a supporter of Trump.

Glass House Farms posted a statement on X on Thursday saying that the company had been “visited today by ICE officials” and “fully complied with agent search warrants.” The statement said nothing else, except to add that the company would “provide further updates if necessary.”
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Tell me what is on your mind

There are good reasons for growing a lot of things for food, and even some things for any other items, like medicine, and materials like fiber. This is really healthy. Seeds for all such things should be brought along, to good land for it, and be planted, to have the plants that will be needed growing, with tending them. Others should be along to join in this. All this is needing time. No one getting out at the last minute can manage doing this, and it is very unlikely any but a very few getting out at the last minute possible would even find others who had planned ahead and are already in a place with enough growing. Those who do should not be close to any cities, or communities of civilization, anyway. They would become completely independent of civilization as that is needed.
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

Lots of doctors have stopped going into the OB part of the OB/GYN specialty precisely because of these problems.
And many have fled Texas. My daughter has severe problems that will require surgery, which she hopes to have done before January, and has had a problem finding surgeons in the state.
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Trump authorizes ICE to target schools, churches & hospitals for arrests of undocumented people

Sacramento Bishop backs San Bernardino diocese in urging immigrants to skip Mass amid ICE fears

John Andrews is the vice chancellor of the San Bernardino diocese and said that Bishop Alberto Rojas wrote the decree last month after several arrests on church grounds,

A crisis of faith: ICE raids force some churches to take ‘extraordinary’ action

[Story leads with the above]

In May, following immigration raids in Nashville, the city’s diocese became the first to say that no Catholic would be “obligated to attend Mass on Sunday if doing so puts their safety at risk.”

It’s a rare step for a bishop to excuse congregants indefinitely from Sunday mass, said Brett Hoover, professor of theology at Loyola Marymount University.

Archbishop José Gomez of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, who has long called for immigration reform, criticized the Trump administration in a column published in Angelus last month, saying it has “offered no immigration policy beyond the stated goal of deporting thousands of people each day.”

“This is not policy, it is punishment, and it can only result in cruel and arbitrary outcomes. Already we are hearing stories of innocent fathers and mothers being wrongly deported, with no recourse to appeal,” he wrote.

In Orange County, Bishop Kevin Vann has not offered a dispensation from attending Mass, but the diocese has started bringing Holy Communion to celebrate Mass in the homes of people who are afraid to go to church.

[Neat, kinda like house churches in China under the CCP!]

Isiah, who had paused attending Mass during the raids, said church is really the only place he feels safe anymore. He has faith that the spiritual strength found inside the building — a place where he goes to worship God — will shield him from harm.

“My belief is that if the police came, the church and God would protect me.”
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

My daughter just a few weeks ago went through a scary experience here in Texas of an emergency room being hesitant to treat her for an incident severely bleeding uterine polyps because they were afraid it was a miscarriage.
Lots of doctors have stopped going into the OB part of the OB/GYN specialty precisely because of these problems.
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Is This The New Normal?

This a result of cause and effect. Action and reaction.

The Democrats caused an extraordinary problem by enabling an enormous amount of people to enter the country illegally and unvetted.

And now the Republicans are using extraordinary measures to fix the extraordinary problem.

What makes you think this new militarized police force will stop with illegal immigrants?
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False Mysticism

"We are living in a time when false mysticism is a much greater danger than rationalism.
It has now become much easier to play on men’s emotions with a political terminology that sounds religious than with one that sounds scientific.
This is all the more true in an age in which the religious instincts of millions of men have never received their proper fulfillment.
A nation that is starved with the need to worship something will turn to the first false god that is presented to it."

"False mysticism is often viciously anti-intellectual. It promises man a fierce joy in the immolation of his intelligence.
It calls him to throw his spirit into the hands of some blind life-force, considered sometimes as beyond man, sometimes as within himself.
Sometimes this mysticism is political, sometimes religious. It almost always exalts emotion above thought, and its reply to intellectual argument is sometimes a program of systematic violence— the suppression of schools, the destruction of books, and the imprisonment of learned men. Why all this? Because the intelligence itself is regarded with suspicion." p 59-60

https://stmaryscathedral.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/11288825.pdf

This resonated with me in different ways. On has to do with the literal biblical innerrentist who sometime snot only believe in 6 day creation a few thousand years ago but also flat Earth. regardless of what seem more rational, regardless of what our intelligence might indicate, they cling to a personal mysticism that rejects science. Perhaps we all do it to some degree.. believing that our personal insight is special and true no matter what.

Then again there is the political manifestation. We are seeing higher education undermined and science thrown into doubt if it does not support a larger agenda.

Merton wort this in 1951, not long after WWII. Unfortunately I think it is more relevant today than ever with the rise of interest in Christian Nationalism.


"When the truth is not what we want it to be, we twist its image out of shape in our own mind to fit the pattern of our desires. In so doing, we do not hurt the truth itself: we ruin our own spirit." p 56

Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is an emergency, not an elective abortion. Period.
My daughter just a few weeks ago went through a scary experience here in Texas of an emergency room being hesitant to treat her for an incident severely bleeding uterine polyps because they were afraid it was a miscarriage.
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

Doctors don't make decisions based on protesters.
How do you know what doctors do?
Are you a doctor?
Have you ever worked with doctors?
Have you ever worked in a large city medical center?

You appear to be just assuming things on a grand scale with nothing to support your position.
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Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

So I have another question. According to Matthew 7:21-23 it appears that those who are calling Jesus Lord Lord are in fact repenting. They’re pleading their case to Him. Furthermore this takes place at the great white throne of judgement where everyone will bow and proclaim that Jesus is Lord. At this time NOBODY will be an unbeliever. Yet according to Revelation 20 those who are not written in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire AFTER the great white throne of judgement. So there’s no unbelief at this time, everyone has proclaimed Jesus as Lord so why are some still thrown into the lake of fire if they’ve already repented of their unbelief?
The point of the Matthew passage is that those people are depending on their own works, which they claimed were in Jesus' name, to obligate Jesus to save them.

This is precisely what Paul was speaking of in Romans 4:4,5.

That's not repentance, that's an expectation of payment for work.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

Does the bible say Jesus had a sin nature ?
Did Jesus have the knowledge of Good and Evil?
Was it past down to him through Adam and Eve?
D Taylor supported by the article referenced equate "Knowledge of Good and Evil" with the "sin nature", so if Jesus has the knowledge acording to that definition He has a sin nature.
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

There is no mischaracterization. The activists oppose the delay of treatment. Republicans are pushing for delays, and to deny it altogether.
Again you are coming to conclusions not in evidence in the article. The article doesn’t mention motivations for the harassment. If you have other information you are drawing on, please post it so we can all make informed comments.
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Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

God is long suffering he can wait as long as it takes for every human to come into agreement with what Jesus has done, its not our body that is " saved" but us our true self, and that is eternal.
So I have another question. According to Matthew 7:21-23 it appears that those who are calling Jesus Lord Lord are in fact repenting. They’re pleading their case to Him. Furthermore this takes place at the great white throne of judgement where everyone will bow and proclaim that Jesus is Lord. At this time NOBODY will be an unbeliever. Yet according to Revelation 20 those who are not written in the book of life are thrown into the lake of fire AFTER the great white throne of judgement. So there’s no unbelief at this time, everyone has proclaimed Jesus as Lord so why are some still thrown into the lake of fire if they’ve already repented of their unbelief?
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Is This The New Normal?


But feel free to provide documentation of your version of events.

From a source more reliable than Donald Trump, please.

-- A2SG, few are less reliable.....
So the left, with all their mind-reading abilities, has just decided that they don’t believe Trump offered the National Guard. However, the Politifact page, itself, states they refused the offer due to optics. You can’t have it both ways.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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The ability to know good and evil did not come from the line of Adam, Jesus knowledge of good and evil came from God.

Just like Jesus did not have a biological earthly father, Jesus did not have the same ability to succumb to sins temptation like Adam did. I mean not only did He not do any physical sins, Jesus never even had any sins of the mind.
You say: "Jesus did not have the same ability to succumb to sins temptation", so how could Jesus be tempted in every way as we are tempted?
The idea is not to give Jesus certain powers over sin, we cannot have, making it God's fault for our sinning, since God did not provide those powers to us, but show even though Christ could, He did not, just as we could, but did because we lack His Love.
What does it matter where the "knowledge of Good and Evil" came from, since it is being equated in your definition with a sinful nature?
I am saying our knowledge changed with Adam and Eve's eating the fruit, but our "nature" remained the same. "Knowledge", itself is not bad, since we agree Christ had that same knowledge and did not sin. It is wrong to blame our sins on "Knowledge" and call it our nature.
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Oeuf! U.S. egg prices hit record high despite Trump's claim they're 'much cheaper'

  • The federal suit claims that California’s animal welfare law has contributed to higher egg prices by “imposing unnecessary red tape on the production of eggs.”

Yea, that's it. We need to lock up those "cage-free" egg layers.
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Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

And yet I posted examples of it happening.

Obviously it doesn't, because women are dying because of these laws, as you admitted above.
I’m sorry, I asked for other examples of this happening when you made that comment to me and you posted (at least in response to my request) nothing. Please repost or post the post number where you actually posted those examples. Thanks.
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Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

God is long suffering he can wait as long as it takes for every human to come into agreement with what Jesus has done, its not our body that is " saved" but us our true self, and that is eternal.
Ok so I misunderstood your position. I thought you were saying that God doesn’t desire that anyone goes to Hades but it seems that you’re actually saying that God doesn’t desire anyone to remain in Hades. Is that correct?
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