• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

The Mirror of the Word

."I agree with you that it is referring to something in part that will become perfect or complete, and it's not Heaven. But the passage tells us what is incomplete now and will be complete then,
The gloss here is that the Word will no longer be in part, because it will then be complete. I'm still trying to determine why God explained it that way. The word needed signs to be accepted to the Jew, until it no longer needed signs to believe ("I put away childish things" - 1Co 13:11).

It's ok if we differ in our understanding on this issue, thanks for the feed-back!
Upvote 0

Why Does the Bible Tell Us to Behave In Ways We Can’t? How Can Anyone Be Saved?

I think you, I, and others here would rather seek understanding and teaching from The Holy Spirit. We tend to have some agreement between ourselves, as well as some fellowship.
Yeah, I think it begins with humility since seeking understanding requires we first admit that we know nothing and cannot get to the truth on our own. In other words, we must be teachable and not just insist on being teachers. And when teaching is called for, doing so with gentleness and not insisting on our own authority or elevating our understanding to God's revelation.
  • Agree
Reactions: ARBITER01
Upvote 0

The Venting Thread

There is always hope.

A friend heard that his colleague was facing a serious marital crisis—his wife had demanded a divorce. She did so in a very firm and serious manner.

The colleague began preparing for the separation. He started looking for a new potential wife, and even traveled to Southeast Asia to meet a girl. My friend prayed a Novena for his colleague’s marriage.

Later, the colleague’s wife backed down. She no longer asked for divorce.

The Lord CAN change people's heart.
Maybe. Or maybe she realized he was going to fare better after the divorce than she was.
  • Like
Reactions: bèlla
Upvote 0

Trump's Top Gun Post

You (using the collective you here) had the chance to do something last november. You chose not to.

If you're lucky, you'll have the chance to do something again in a year.
Yes. The people wanted Trump again. Come 2029, he’ll be out of office for good. That’s how voting works.
Upvote 0

Trump's Top Gun Post

I'm kind of amazed I haven't seen this come up here yet.

About a week ago, Trump, via his TruthSocial account, elevated American political discourse to highs not seen in decades by posting an AI-generated video of himself piloting an F-18 and bombing No Kings protestors with poop.


It would seem that Republicans are now okay with Dems wearing brown suits.
It makes me wonder about his mental state. I’m not diagnosing him, but I’d be concerned if he was my father….
Upvote 0

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

I post good stuff. Let's look at the horizon distance equation.

Just do this equation exactly as follows, inputting whatever is your prefered value for Ho.

What could be easier, and it's the best way to calculate the horizon distance.

If you wish, you could do this Imperial by inputting Ho as 44 miles / second and C as 186000 miles / second.

You will get the same Hubble horizon distance of 13.8 BLY's

No one knows the age of the universe, other than Creator God :-


Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.





oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.



Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring
light years as years only.



===========================================================================================
Upvote 0

Clinic offering abortions beyond viability for 'any reason' is 'disappointing, but not surprising': pro-lifers

This is precisely why overturning Roe vs Wade was a very bad idea. Both maternal and abortion deaths have risen substantially. But no one is talking about this. Are they?
The reversal of Roe v. Wade has created a fractured US, with some states like Colorado protecting abortion access, and others like Texas and Alabama enforcing near-total bans.
Contrary to the expected decline, the national number of abortions has soared by over 11% since 2020 (the latest comprehensive pre-Dobbs data), and the increase is closer to 20% in the two full years post-Dobbs, reaching the highest recorded level in over a decade! Meanwhile, in the states with bans, this has caused a public health crisis. Maternal and infant mortality rates are rising in states with bans, disproportionately affecting Black women.These laws are directly associated with a higher risk of death for mothers and infants and are causing dangerous delays in essential medical care for life-threatening pregnancy complications.

Lets us reason. There must be a better way.

Be blessed.
I’m no scholar, but I’m pretty sure RBG even thought Roe v Wade was a bad law.

I think the only way to really heal our nation is return to God and holy marriage. The nuclear family. The sex obsessed culture needs to end.

Peace
Upvote 0

New here from Georgia, looking to get myself familiar with the Forums.

Welcome to the forums @christianlloydteegardin . I would recommend a good book on systematic theology. There are a number to choose from at a Bible book store, so I am not going to recommend a specific one. Talk to someone in the store and have him direct you to one that is basic.
I have Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology. How good is that?
  • Like
Reactions: St. Helens
Upvote 0

The Schumer Shutdown

This has nothing to do with my comments and the question as to why dem party line votes are bad but GOP party line votes are not, and you've misconstrued what she said.
I quoted her directly - hard to misconstrue the words coming out of her mouth. It's not a Democratic Party bad - GOP good or vice versa - it's about a bill that increased health cost for the vast majority of American Tax payers by z105% within two years.
Plans you couldn't keep didn't meet minimum standards. People were paying for coverage and when it came to needing to use it, found it didn’t cover anything.
Plans that were meeting the needs of the people who had them. They changed the standards and caused millions of Americans to pay more for their health care - that is historical fact -
Obama said that in good faith, but he was wrong and has admitted that.
And did ZERO to fix it. Now it has grown behemoth and needs more and more - costing every tax payer. There is no free healthcare - it comes out of every one of our pockets.

It raised the cost so high, number of people (myself included) could not afford it - then we were fined 3,000.00 a year for not being able to afford it.
Upvote 0

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

Why is it we think it's mandatory to threaten ourselves or other people with possible eternal torture anyway? It's kind of sick, really, if you think about it.

I have no issues with hell, and devils heading there. But I really can't see it for people. There's not a single named example of this supposed fact in the entire Bible. You might think with all the possible candidates at least ONE NAMED PERSON could have been singled out as an example? But alas, there is not a one to confirm this so called fact.

So why take on that darkness to anyone?

People who supposedly serve under threat of possible hell to themselves are brown nosing to save their own sorry hides. Like God is a criminal holding a gun to them. Who wouldn't cough up to save their life in that kind of setup?

Jesus had zero respect for that setup:

Marr. 25:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Servants under duress might not walk away from the table with anything

Haven't you ever belonged to a sect where the congregants were just waiting for anyone to say or do anything they considered "out of line" so they could pounce on someone else with the proclamation of possible hell? It's really sickening, such sects. The churches are unfortunately filled with such megalomaniacs. There's just some compelling in their hearts that makes them want to be the arbiter of some other person's eternal fate.

The only long term survivor in this entire format is God in any case:

1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who in their right mind would hold on to themselves, when they could simply give up everything to have Perfection Dwell in them? Seems like a pretty fair deal, don't you think?
Upvote 0

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,878,907
Messages
65,426,491
Members
276,409
Latest member
BasedLutheran