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Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

I am sorry, I was sticking to one thing.

We are talking about the teaching in Eph. 2.

The issue at hand is whose Commandments relegated Non-Jews/Gentiles as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world, prompting Jesus to destroy them.

You and Bob are teaching that it was God's Commandments and in your attempt to support this popular philosophy, you brought up the Levitical Priesthood as the Commandment that relegated non-Jews/Gentiles as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

I am pointing out that this is not true, according to what is actually written.

Jew's which were strangers in the tabernacle/house of God and the priesthood. Why you focus on my comments for just Gentiles?

First of all, Paul didn't say that the "Commandments" nailed to the cross, relegated Jews as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Paul isn't talking about Jews here. Please don't add your preconceived philosophies into Paul's teaching.
We are talking about Paul's teaching in Ephesians 2. If you want to change the subject, and talk about the Levitical Priesthood, you can start another thread.

The purpose of the Priesthood was in part, to provide atonement for the Children of Israel. The Israelite as defined by God, includes blood descendants of Abraham "AND ALSO any stranger that shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, whose males be circumcised, and who come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land:

Here is the main Priesthood duty.

Lev. 4: 27 And if any one of the common people "sin" through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; 28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.

30 And the (Levite) priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and "the priest shall make an atonement for him", and it (The Sin of the common man) shall be forgiven him.

I don't know who is teaching you these things about God and His Priesthood, that Jews were Strangers in the Temple of God. But you should stop listening to them right away. Because the very reason for the existence of the Levitical Priesthood was to provide Atonement for the Homeborn, and the Stranger that sojourned with them.

Only Levites and the sons of Aaron were not strangers there. Ephesians 2:19

18 For through him we "both" have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens "with the saints", and of the household of God;

Are you teaching then that only Levites are Saints? Was David and Caleb a Saint? Were they Levites?

Don't become angry because I question your preaching. I'm supposed to.

Didn't Jesus make it exactly as it was designed to be from the beginning? If the Pharisees had believed Moses, and had obeyed God's Commandments, there would have been no dividing wall. You can read this for yourself as it is taught in your own Bible.

Now it is true that only a Levite could minister in the Priest's Office, to provide atonement for God's People at that time, just as only the High Priest of God that exists now, The Lord's Christ, is the only ONE who can provide atonement for God's People at this time.
There is the covenant of priesthood made at Sinai, from Moses. Eph 2:19

There is no Priesthood Covenant made on Mt. Sinai where Jews, or Non-Jews who join themselves to God, are strangers and foreigners of the household of God.

Just as there is no Commandments of God that relegates Jews or Gentiles as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

The teaching that there is, comes from man, not God as the Scriptures I posted, but you refuse to even discuss, clearly show.

There is a covenant made with Abraham, in circumcision Eph 2:12.

There is no Covenant made with Abraham where his children, or the strangers who sojourn with him, are strangers and foreigners of the household of God.

Someone has taught you this. My guess, is that it is from the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who come in Christ's Name, that Jesus warned to "Take heed of, lest you become convinced that a falsehood about God, is the Truth. (AKA, become deceived)

There is nothing in the Priesthood Covenant from God that relegated any repentant person, who joined himself to the Lord, as are strangers and foreigners of the household of God. Nor does there exist any Commandment from God that relegated "ANY" repentant and faith person, as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

You and Bob are trying to prove that God's Commandments caused the problem between Jews and Gentiles in Paul's Time. But as the Scriptures I have posted have clearly shown that this teaching is a false teaching. Popular in this world's religions Yes, but false just the same.
That is how I see Ephesians. And to have this rant from you instead of discussion is a disappointment. I will not engage you further.

That is how it usually goes. Jesus and Paul exposed, through scriptures, false teachings and the commandments of men taught as doctrines and promoted by the mainstream religions of the world God placed them in. Most of the promoters of these false teachings just ignored the Scriptures, and stopped engaging about them.

Nevertheless, it is important to my view, to discern the many voices who profess to know God, that preach in the garden God placed us in.

My hope, is that you might consider what is written in the confines of your own home, when no one but God is around, and consider these things.
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Trump floats stripping Rosie O’Donnell of US citizenship: ‘She is a Threat to Humanity’

They should. Because what happens when the Democrat party gets back in power and a Democrat President were to say something like this about someone they disagreed with politically? They could say: " So and so is a domestic terrorist- they pray in front of and block abortion clinics, etc." I think I'll strip their citizenship."
Do people realize how dangerous this is?
I’d like to know where he’s gotten the idea that he can do anything he pleases with no repercussions.
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As Texas Flood Deaths Rise, Officials Blast Faulty Forecast by National Weather Service

It's a difficult situation. My after the fact inclination is to say that given that the camp was in a place known to be prone to flooding, when the warning came out the previous day they should have made sure someone was in a position to get alerts. But warnings aren't very specific. It would be interesting how often warnings like this happened. Still, if I were running a kid's camp in a flood plain, I'd want to make sure I monitored the situation.

I agree.

The forecast predicted one to three inches of rain, with isolated amounts potentially reaching up to six inches.

As a camp manager....I would know:
- the camp sits in a flood zone
- previous floods had killed people
- potentially 6" of rain may fall on in the watershed feeding the river
I would be on alert.

Once more, the county should have had someone on duty to initiate an action plan when the first NWS Flood Warning was issued shortly after 1 AM. An action plan that involved active monitoring of water levels - by instruments or persons. It's still early, but IMO, county officials were negligent.
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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

These officers are doing their legal job and following their legal assignments.
A classic excuse. Has the “just following orders” line ever worked?
They are not there to protect the community,
That much is clear.
they are there to protect the country from an invasion of illegal aliens.
Yeah and who protects the public from them?
These leftist anarchists and leftists are attacking them. They are wicked people, who commit felonious acts and your position is one of terroristic support, which is nothing but an evil position. These animals want blood. And Democrats are supporting it.
:yawn:
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A DHS staffer faces serious punishment for accidentally adding a reporter to a group email about ICE op in Denver, which went off without a hitch

So Pete Hegseth is going to be severely punished for doing the same thing, while also endangering the lives of American troops?

Or do adulterers with drinking problems get a pass?
You get a pass if you are sufficiently hateful enough for this administration. Loyalty to Trump and contempt for anyone opposed are the two primary requirements.
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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

I support resisting tyranny. These officers aren’t here protecting the community, they’re terrorizing people and acting with impunity. People are responding to their state sanctioned lawlessness.
These officers are doing their legal job and following their legal assignments. They are not there to protect the community, they are there to protect the country from an invasion of illegal aliens.

These leftist anarchists and leftists are attacking them. They are wicked people, who commit felonious acts and your position is one of terroristic support, which is nothing but an evil position. These animals want blood. And Democrats are supporting it.
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Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

The Jesus "of the Bible" said not to even "Think" what your have adopted as the very foundation of your religion.



And Truly HE was the Christ who gave to us this "Royal Law of Love", as HE Details before becoming a man and "Living By" His Own Commandments.

Lev. 19: 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt "love thy neighbour" as thyself: I am the LORD.

33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be "unto you" as one born among you, and "thou shalt love him as thyself"; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Duet. 6: 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt "love the LORD thy God" with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Duet. 10: 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: 18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. 19 "Love ye therefore the stranger": for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Jesus ushered in a New and Better Priesthood, better than the temporary Priesthood covenant HE made with Levi, after the Golden calf event.

But His Royal Law of Love was given to mankind long before HE became a mortal man and dwelled among us. Just because your masters don't teach you what is actually written in Scriptures, doesn't make what is written in Scriptures void.
Wrong! Jesus even said He was giving mankind a NEW Covenant, J13:34 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I ask you, how much does Jesus love us? He loves us so much that before the foundation of the Earth, the plan of Salvation was made. At that moment, Jesus became the final sacrifice for man. Jesus loves us so much that He suffered on the Cross and gave His life that we might live. Never was there a command that equals the real Royal Law of Love.

Yes, that is God's Commandment from the very beginning, even for Cain and Abel. And even for the Israelite and the Stranger who sojourned with them, who this same Christ led out of Egypt. The Holy One who led Israel out of Egypt "IS LOVE".

There is no other God Bob, I don't care what the prince of this world preaches though it's religious system.

1 John 4: 16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.



You are Bob teaching an evil heresy Bob. You are promoting an insidious lie, an exceedingly evil wickedness, that God's/Christ's Commandments given through Moses didn't teach Israel to "Love the Stranger" in the same manner as Christ Loved Israel when they were strangers in Egypt. And when you are presented with God's actual Words showing you that HE did, you reject them as irrelevant, refusing to even acknowledge them, much less discuss them.
You just cannot stop with the detrimental rhetoric can you? I do not respond to some of you out of context and mostly not relevant because it is not worth my while.

If you didn't know before, you know now that you are completely off base with your twisted interpretation of Eph 2:15. Instead of recognizing the fact you instead try to smear my reputation writing that I am promoting exceedingly evil and wickedness. Too bad
And when the children of the devil, the Pharisees who ruled the Temple in the City of David, the epicenter of the religions of the world at that time, who professed to know God, taught hatred for the Stranger, and relegated them as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world", you preach to the world that it was because they were obeying "God's commandments" "that taught them to do so". And that Jesus had to come and destroy God's commandments that you preach caused those who obeyed them, to not Love the Gentile.
That is a twisted and undeniably falsehood of what I wrote.
Paul isn't teach this heresy to the Ephesians. God's commandments never taught the Jews to treat non-Jews the way they treated them.
OI have never said they did. I said they felt superior to the Gentiles. The claimed the Gentiles were unclean. `Today Jews are grafted into the tree just as are Gentiles.
Jesus Himself tells whose Commandments these same Rulers of the Temple taught for doctrines. As anyone can see who actually reads what is written, it wasn't God's commandments that prevented the Gentile from Joining himself to the Lord, and it wasn't God's Commandments that caused the rebellious Jews to vex the Gentile the way they did.



I don't know what jesus you speak of here. The Christ of the Bible taught men to Love God and Love one another from the very beginning. This Christ, after become a man, ushered in a New Ministry, a New Priesthood as Prophesied, but HE didn't come to destroy the Royal Law of Love HE gave to Israel, some of which I posted above.
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Do you agree with the President on border enforcement and illegal aliens?

Why did Trump run on a platform that Obama wasn’t doing anything about illegal immigration but suddenly now, Obama’s non-existent at the time immigration policies are being held up as the gold standard by the right? Make it make sense.
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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

The Fox News video didn't give any context, like why ICE was there, why protesters were there, and why they were at a courthouse. Here's a New York Times article about it.


From the article:
Inexcusable acts of obstruction and violence. That article shows the people are able to be deported and are being deported. AS BY LAW.

These leftists are anarchists and deserve to be put in prison for a long time.
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What is Church teaching on yoga and reiki?

But he's correct and I've heard priests say the same thing.

If you can't separate Hindu spirituality from the exorcise, then you'll have a problem
doing any exorcise, for much comes out of Greek culture. As it is, if you go to
most gym classes, you'll end up doing yoga stretching without even knowing it.
Yoga stretching is part of the exorcise routines in most of the exorcise programs.
Are you worshiping pagan gods doing these stretches? Of course not.
I do not agree with with that assessment. Exercise for physical health or meditation is fine but of limited value for our heavenly selves.
Yoga says we are focusing on God and want to come to enlightenment, but that is not the path Christ has shown us, or else He would have taught it.
Yoga takes the focus off of obeying God and puts the focus on ourselves. “I only do it for exercise.” “It makes me feel better, what could be wrong with it?” “It’s not worship”
Well, regardless of our intention, yoga mimics physical postures used in the worship of Hindu “gods” aka demons. You may not realize it, but the demons can see what you do, and use your unguarded relaxed state against you. Also it’s just ignorant.
Think if I went through a gang neighborhood and started throwing Crip and Blood signs. I could say that they don’t mean anything to me, but the people that live there see things differently, and my life may not go well if I keep throwing those signs.
I believe that Thomas Merton was in error and was seduced by false ecumenism. Zen is not life, Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Satan and his demons are perfectly capable of manipulating your feelings and even thoughts, as scripture says he seeks whom he may devour.
Satan as the adversary wants to make himself out to be God. His best way is imitation, and it is not flattery. Demon possession is the imitation of the incarnation. Pagan religions imitate aspects of Christianity to deceive, as they are not real worship, but a replacement for real worship. Scripture says that there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Satan will do all he can to make you think there is nothing wrong and what you are doing is absolutely right, so much so that you will not be convinced otherwise.
But just think of the fool in a gang neighborhood throwing signs, do you want to appear before Jesus and tell him how great those demon signs made you feel? Worship the Lord your God and Him only shalt thou serve, and don’t tell me that you are doing it while you are giving a shout out to demons
The great Fulton Sheen took the opposite view of Thomas Merton. The goal of evangelizing is not to learn pagan religions and tell us how great they are because they have some things similar to Christianity. The wise evangelist observes those similarities and uses them to tell pagans how great Jesus is. I heard a story that a man tried to tell Bishop Sheen how he read a book that melded zen and Christianity. Bishop Sheen threw him out and said something to the effect of don’t speak to me of other gods and tell me how they look like Jesus, they are not Jesus
Our Lady of Guadalupe shows real evangelism with Juan Diego in Mexico in the sixteenth century. The indigenous peoples were trapped in paganism and practiced human blood sacrifice.
Juan Diego brought the testimony form Our Lady and the understanding of blood sacrifice, but preached Christ and Him crucified. The king has already shed His blood for us and we do not do him honor by shedding more blood. We thank Him and present our bodies as living sacrifices.
Mexico stopped human sacrifice and became one of the most Catholic nations on Earth.
I want to see zen or practitioners come to an understanding and love of Our Lord Jesus, not seduce Christians to believe that there is nothing wrong with zen and Buddha is some how equal to Jesus

Exercise is good, meditation is good. Meditate on the Lord and His word. Theresa of Avilla has great teaching on meditative prayer. John of the Cross has teaching on the ascent of Mt Carmel. You may say they are similar to Buddhism, but they are not zen. They focus on Christ

I will not judge a person who thinks that yoga is ok. His works are between him and God, but don’t try and bring yoga class to my parish or try and teach it to my kids. It is junk, and what I was taught in high school, by well meaning but ignorant Christian Brothers. It took me 38 years and the grace of God to get over that error.
If you like zen, read John of the Cross and Theresa of Avila instead

Spiritual practices that are not of Christ put souls at risk. Modern exorcists tell us that God is not the only one that broadcasts on that channel. Test the spirits to see who is speaking, approaching it with a naive can’t we all just get along attitude will only lead to trouble
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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

It's abhorrent. You are supporting felonious assaults on officers. This is an evil lawless position
I support resisting tyranny. These officers aren’t here protecting the community, they’re terrorizing people and acting with impunity. People are responding to their state sanctioned lawlessness.
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Do you agree with the President on border enforcement and illegal aliens?

The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws​


“All Americans…are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.”​
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As Texas Flood Deaths Rise, Officials Blast Faulty Forecast by National Weather Service

Probably Trump’s awkward response in saying a question was “evil” was in relation to a viewpoint that blames him for the flood. How much is true or not is hard to assess and whether it is a political drumbeat or not.

The response of the Trump administrators:


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Of course most of the 24/7 always anti Trump contingent on CF thinks anyone who voted for Trump is evil so go figure.
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Trump floats stripping Rosie O’Donnell of US citizenship: ‘She is a Threat to Humanity’

Trump floats stripping Rosie O’Donnell of US citizenship: ‘She is a Threat to Humanity’

“Because of the fact that Rosie O’Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

Surely, President Trump is just kidding around?
She needs help. They’ve fought for a long, long time. Trump won’t be president forever.
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