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Jan001 · 2026-02-21T12:57:29-0600

BrotherJJ said:
Hebrews 9:27 says every person will face judgment, but Scripture does not present that judgment as a single blended event with 2 ""viewpoints."" The New Testament consistently distinguishes 2 different groups, 2 different resurrections & 2 different judgment seats, each with a different purpose, timing & outcome

The Judgment Seat of Christ (Bema) is for believers only (Rom 14:10 & 2 Cor 5:10).
Sin is not judged there because Christ already bore the believer's judgment on the cross. Believers appear there to have their works evaluated - rewarded if done in Christ's name or burned up if worthless (1 Cor 3:8–15) - yet the believer himself """will be saved"" (1 Cor 3:15 JUST READ IT!) Salvation is a gift, not a wage, grounded entirely in God's grace & faith in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection. At conversion believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit as God's guarantee of their future inheritance (2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13–14). Nothing in these passages describes condemnation, sentencing, or the opening of the books of works for guilt. That is not the believer's judgment.

The Great White Throne Judgment is for unbelievers only (Rev 20:11–13).
This is not a ""different angle"" or the same event - it is a different group, different timing & different purpose. These are the dead who rejected God's grace & refused to accept Christ as Lord. With no covering for sin (Jn 15:22), they are judged according to their works - every deed, every word, every sin recorded & measured by the standard of God's Law. Jesus said the one who rejects Him will be judged by His word on the last day (Jn 12:48). John 5:24 explicitly says believers ""will not come into judgment"" - meaning this judgment - because they have already passed from death to life.

Your citations (Matt 25 & Jn 5:28–29) do not merge the judgments; they simply affirm that both groups will be raised - ""those who have done good"" & ""those who have done evil."" But Revelation 20 explains that these 2 resurrections are not simultaneous. The ""resurrection of life"" occurs before the millennium (Rev 20:4–6) & the ""resurrection of condemnation"" occurs after it (Rev 20:11–13). 2 resurrections. Two groups. 2 judgments. 2 outcomes.

The only unforgivable sin is lifelong unbelief - rejecting the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ until death (Mk 3:22–30). Believers possess eternal life now (Jn 3:36) because Christ bore their judgment already. Unbelievers face judgment for every sin because they refused the only sacrifice that could remove them.

So no, Scripture does not present one final judgment with 2 perspectives. It presents 2 distinct judgments for 2 distinct peoples with 2 distinct purposes - one for reward, one for condemnation & confusing them collapses the very categories the New Testament maintains.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. We certainly do disagree.

Richard T · 2026-02-21T12:56:03-0600

Today there is no way you could bring an unaccompanied minor into the USA on a tourist visa. They would not even be allows on a plane without some type of guardianship paperwork. If it occurred today the news would be that ICE rescued another child from trafficking.

lucypevensie · 2026-02-21T12:55:53-0600

What does the Bible say about it?

lucypevensie · 2026-02-21T12:54:09-0600

Waltz into my mom’s igloo.

IGLOO

Say it aint so · 2026-02-21T12:53:30-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Given that our governmental structure is supposed to be based on secularism and religious indifference, then that would be mean that decisions about expanding gambling being made for secular reasons, and not making legal decisions based on catering to a religious viewpoint, would be the correct approach then, right?

I think this is where some people on the left undercut their own previous arguments a bit.

All throughout the 80's-2000's, one of the top critiques the left made about the GOP was surrounding how the GOP had been captured by the "religious right" (Falwell, Dobson & Co.) and were trying to govern based via Evangelical-favoring policies.

Yet, any time a republican comes along who breaks away from that paradigm to any degree, the first critique that gets lobbed is to call people out for not demanding strict adherence to religious principles.

Or maybe it's just rank hypocrisy?
It's one party who have wrapped themselves in the flag of Christian principles and family values (what ever that means). But it's mutual. The Falwell Dobson types have used the party to gain power, and by mutuality the party also gained power in that flag wrapping. This is not just "a republican comes along" its a group of people who wraps themselves in the Christian flag but couldn't tell you what their favorite verse. The current gambling pushing regime is the same regime who let food supply rot then provide it for those in need who literally are dying. And the Falwell, Dobson, Graham types don't care because the end justifies the means.

The Barbarian · 2026-02-21T12:52:44-0600

That's how new information forms. You're probably confused about the meaning of "information."

o_mlly said:
Macroevoluton requires new information,

Actually, as you have just seen, any new mutation in a population increases the information in that population. I showed you the numbers.

o_mlly said:
not a reshuffling of the deck, to form novel body plans

I asked you to show us even one novel body plan that could not have evolved. You failed to show us one. What should we conclude from that.

o_mlly said:
Speciation as in different kinds requires new information.

And since even most YE creationists now admit that the evolution of new species is a fact, you've pretty much given up the farm. And, it's possible for a reduction in genetic information to produce speciation. Would you like to learn about that?

o_mlly said:
Shannon Entropy (SE) explains microevolution events but offers nothing to explain macroevolution events, novel body plans.

Show us a "novel body plan" for which there is no evidence for it evolving. What do you have?

o_mlly said:
I didn't write about "no novel structures".

Body plan. Show us one. Or will this be another claim you won't support?

o_mlly said:
Appealing to your authority as a CCD teacher?

Actually, that was decades ago. And you should probably know that just being a CCD teacher isn't authority as the Church considers authority.
Only Scripture, Tradition, and the Magesterium are authoritative.

o_mlly said:
After completing advanced theology courses at Loyola University, my bishop certified me as a Master Catechist and I led OCIA programs in the federal prison system.

Then this shouldn't be news to you, should it? For now, just show us that novel body plan that couldn't have evolved from others, and we'll see what the evidence shows. You're on.

lucypevensie · 2026-02-21T12:51:38-0600

On point

lucypevensie · 2026-02-21T12:49:35-0600

Nothing is needed at all.

Perpetual Student · 2026-02-21T12:46:14-0600

wing2000 said:
Under Section 122, he gets another 150 days.

150 more days of uncertainty and chaos.
150 more days for impacted small businesses to go out of business
150 more days for companies to hedge their bets and sit on their cash.

Bravo Donald. You really are that dumb.

I have a question, for anyone who wants, not specifically for Wing2000:
Can Trump renew these tariffs immediately after the 150 days are expired?
Can we see perpetually 150 days of tariffs?

Richard T · 2026-02-21T12:43:36-0600

Pommer said:
Trump knocks down stuff to rebuild better. (That’s the crux of his whole schtick), he’s political Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi, no wonder they love him.
History will record him him as good as Hoover, who also preceded a progressive go-getter!
We’ll be in great shape by 2033.

Does he knock it down to rebuild better or just to find a way to work in a personal advantage? Even if I said rebuild better the focus is on helping those who assist and promote Trump.

Pommer · 2026-02-21T12:43:31-0600

eclipsenow said:
There is a huge difference between an over exuberance of self-confidence and the actual personality disorder of NPD

Right, but under our system, not much can be done about the situation.

BrotherJJ · 2026-02-21T12:42:46-0600

Jan001 said:
The two judgments are only one event—final judgment—but they describe two different viewpoints of this final judgment. The deeds of each person, good or evil, will show everyone in the world whether he will be rewarded with eternal life or with eternal condemnation.

Revelation 20:11-12
Then I saw a great white throne and the one who sat on it; the earth and the heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their works, as recorded in the books.

Matthew 25:33-36
and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world, 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ ........41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You who are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not take care of you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment but the righteous into eternal life.”

John 5:28-29
Do not be astonished at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and will come out: those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation.

Hebrews 9:27 says every person will face judgment, but Scripture does not present that judgment as a single blended event with 2 ""viewpoints."" The New Testament consistently distinguishes 2 different groups, 2 different resurrections & 2 different judgment seats, each with a different purpose, timing & outcome

The Judgment Seat of Christ (Bema) is for believers only (Rom 14:10 & 2 Cor 5:10).
Sin is not judged there because Christ already bore the believer's judgment on the cross. Believers appear there to have their works evaluated - rewarded if done in Christ's name or burned up if worthless (1 Cor 3:8–15) - yet the believer himself """will be saved"" (1 Cor 3:15 JUST READ IT!) Salvation is a gift, not a wage, grounded entirely in God's grace & faith in Christ's sin‑atoning death & resurrection. At conversion believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit as God's guarantee of their future inheritance (2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13–14). Nothing in these passages describes condemnation, sentencing, or the opening of the books of works for guilt. That is not the believer's judgment.

The Great White Throne Judgment is for unbelievers only (Rev 20:11–13).
This is not a ""different angle"" or the same event - it is a different group, different timing & different purpose. These are the dead who rejected God's grace & refused to accept Christ as Lord. With no covering for sin (Jn 15:22), they are judged according to their works - every deed, every word, every sin recorded & measured by the standard of God's Law. Jesus said the one who rejects Him will be judged by His word on the last day (Jn 12:48). John 5:24 explicitly says believers ""will not come into judgment"" - meaning this judgment - because they have already passed from death to life.

Your citations (Matt 25 & Jn 5:28–29) do not merge the judgments; they simply affirm that both groups will be raised - ""those who have done good"" & ""those who have done evil."" But Revelation 20 explains that these 2 resurrections are not simultaneous. The ""resurrection of life"" occurs before the millennium (Rev 20:4–6) & the ""resurrection of condemnation"" occurs after it (Rev 20:11–13). 2 resurrections. Two groups. 2 judgments. 2 outcomes.

The only unforgivable sin is lifelong unbelief - rejecting the Holy Spirit's testimony about Christ until death (Mk 3:22–30). Believers possess eternal life now (Jn 3:36) because Christ bore their judgment already. Unbelievers face judgment for every sin because they refused the only sacrifice that could remove them.

So no, Scripture does not present one final judgment with 2 perspectives. It presents 2 distinct judgments for 2 distinct peoples with 2 distinct purposes - one for reward, one for condemnation & confusing them collapses the very categories the New Testament maintains.

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T12:41:29-0600

under grace1 said:
I can relate to much of that. I was sent to a couple of psychiatric institutes and at one time ended up in a padded cell and a young person's prison, though probably for different reasons than as you describe above concerning yourself

Not surprising then that you see yourself as 'under Grace'...

He saves to the uttermost...

RandyPNW · 2026-02-21T12:41:27-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
There is no valid evidence. Only Trump’s accusations and own efforts to influence results. Foreign influence? Like it or not we now live in global info whirlpool and Trump’s chronic lies are not a remedy. Be careful not to mistake his, now quite open, self promotions as patriotism.

It is telling that only the Democrat Party, the Democrat-controlled Media, and those influenced by them who say there is "no valid evidence" of corruption in the 2020 election. As you likely know, the election rules were changed from state to state during the COVID era. This alone calls into question the election results as they normally are produced.

When, for example, should votes be counted for long periods of time, except by the traditional military absentee ballot? When have states gone to a preference for mail in balloting or voting on street corners? When has there been such a resistance to watching the election process, suggesting it is "voter intimidation?"

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Much of the recent election law litigation relating to COVID-19 has challenged aspects of state laws addressing absentee voting and all-mail voting, also known as vote-by-mail. In this Sidebar, absentee voting generally refers to state laws that permit eligible voters to request and cast ballots by mail without physically going to the polls on Election Day. All-mail voting generally refers to state laws that provide for automatic mailing of ballots to all eligible voters.

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River Jordan · 2026-02-21T12:40:13-0600

o_mlly said:
I'll hold you to that promise.

But I bet you will never surrender your ridiculously mistaken claim that mutations only degrade existing information even though it's been shown to be very wrong.

Always in His Presence · 2026-02-21T12:38:12-0600

Desk trauma said:
They have been expansionist from the start and Huck is all for it.

Land Acquired Through Wars:

1948-49 Arab-Israeli War: Israel controlled more territory than allocated in UN Partition Plan
1967 Six-Day War: Israel occupied West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, Golan Heights, and Sinai Peninsula
Current status: Still controls West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Golan Heights

Land Returned:

Sinai Peninsula: Returned to Egypt (1982) following Camp David Accords
Gaza Strip: Israeli withdrawal completed in 2005
Southern Lebanon: Withdrawal in 2000

How is a country who has steadily withdrawn from areas Expansionist?

Carl Emerson · 2026-02-21T12:37:52-0600

d taylor said:
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If you understand how a person becomes a born again child of God, you should understand my post.

This was the bit that tripped me up...

You said - "An unbeliever remains a sinner, but all of the sins they will commit are forgiven....

Yet Jesus said...

“Peace be to you; just as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

o_mlly · 2026-02-21T12:32:07-0600

River Jordan said:
... we're done here.

I'll hold you to that promise.

Akita Suggagaki · 2026-02-21T12:31:03-0600

RandyPNW said:
I think it's still questionable over who should've won the 2020 election.

There is no valid evidence. Only Trump’s accusations and own efforts to influence results. Foreign influence? Like it or not we now live in global info whirlpool and Trump’s chronic lies are not a remedy. Be careful not to mistake his, now quite open, self promotions as patriotism.

DaisyDay · 2026-02-21T12:30:01-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
Yeah, the talking filibuster hasn't really been a thing since the '70s.

What about Cruz' 2013 Green Eggs and Ham?

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By the way, does this act contain a clause that directs states to give their voter data to the feds?

jacks · 2026-02-21T12:29:19-0600

To answer the question Is Enforcement of Immigration Laws Wrong?

I'd say the answer if No. No country in the world lacks immigration laws. Every nation has some form of immigration policy or legal framework governing who may enter, reside, work, or naturalize within its borders.

I think the controversy is how they are being enforced. It seems the pendulum has perhaps swung too far. For awhile we basically didn't enforce them, now we are enforcing them in a drastic manner. Hopefully we as a society will find a workable balance.

Always in His Presence · 2026-02-21T12:29:09-0600

wing2000 said:
You thought it was meant to be factual?

Strange question - why wouldn't it be factual?

wing2000 said:
Say, are you planning to move to the Golden State?

Absolutely not - I already escaped NY -

wing2000 said:
Or what's with your obsession with Newsom?

I think not -

- American Politics Forum
- Newsome is an American Politician
- Newsome has been testing the water to run for President
- Newsome is making news

The forum is designed to talk about it.

Stop complaining about a poster and start posting according to the topic and we will get along great - even if we disagree.

River Jordan · 2026-02-21T12:27:56-0600

o_mlly said:
I often wondered why evo's are so mean-spirited. I have a good idea now -- from the playbook of your atheist proponent: “It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that).”

I said nothing about you. I demonstrated how your claim isn't just wrong but is ridiculously wrong. If you have no rebuttal to the information I posted then we're done here. Your claim is wrong, end of story.

d taylor · 2026-02-21T12:23:48-0600

Desk trauma said:
I look forward to us getting shot at by the military we paid for. Well being shot at again.

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No sure of your age, but you may very well get to the experience that event.

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