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Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-15T18:04:41-0500

rambot said:
Keeping talking Oompa Loompa

Read the note on your source and tell me why I shouldn't think it os laughable.

DaisyDay · 2025-09-15T18:03:31-0500

Hentenza said:
So all planned assassinations with one quick, clean shot do not qualify for a charge of first degree murder with the capital punishment option on the table?

Not according to Utah State law. If you don't like it, take it up with them.

Which US assassin was executed in the last century? We've had more than a couple back in the sixties. Even Charlie Manson died of old age.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-15T18:02:38-0500

rambot said:
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Keeping talking Oompa Loompa

You'll have to wake up.
People die from guns all the time in the US. You notice that?

If hundreds of dead childrens haven't changed America, it would be extraordinarily disappointing if this one death did.

I deleted that post because I posted it in the wrong thread. My apologies.

disciple1 · 2025-09-15T18:02:37-0500

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Tropical Wilds · 2025-09-15T18:02:35-0500

rambot said:
You are being left behind but only by developed nations with whom you've had strong friendship and who are incredibly advanced and first world.

But on the plus side, for a while, all those countries led by authoritarians really liked you and wanted to toss a whole bunch of money at you!

But they'll withdraw their money too at some point cause you're gonna treat them poorly too cause those countries are poor and brown.

Listen, we’re invading Greenland, ok? It’ll be fine.

Bradskii · 2025-09-15T18:00:21-0500

Trogdor the Burninator said:
After all, "it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational"

And hey, you need a well armed militia to protect the citizenry against the government. Imagine if it started posting troops and armoured vehicles onto your streets!

MehGuy · 2025-09-15T18:00:13-0500

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Bradskii · 2025-09-15T17:56:56-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Questioning whether or not demographic-based hiring could have an impact on how well qualified the people in that profession end up being isn't an "insane" concern.

Do you honestly not see the difference between having a reasonable discussion on that matter if you think that addressing undeniable inequalities might in some cases have swung the pendulum too far and effectively saying out loud 'Hey, a black pilot. Do you think we're safe to fly?' Please tell me that you'd never consider saying any such thing and that you'd berate someone who did.

ThatRobGuy said:
Nor is it "insane" to have some concerns about an ideology that lends itself to insular and non-assimilating behaviors. His statements about the concerns regarding Islam could've just as easily been said by a Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens.

Would you like me to post some links on what those guys think about some Christians as well? What they rile against is fundamentalism. The sort that Kirk exhibited.

Konnie King · 2025-09-15T17:56:26-0500

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Tropical Wilds · 2025-09-15T17:55:04-0500

bèlla said:
Once again, you brought Wiccans into the conversation. I’ve been around people from many walks of life. Some were Gardnerian and Alexandrian initiates. Others were occultists of varying stripes. A few followed the Native American Medicine path and had done the sun dance. A few were Celtic Reconstructionists and others were initiates of African Traditional religions or hoodoo practitioners.

The bulk of the people I associated with weren’t Wiccan but I’m familiar with its teachings. Nevertheless, this a christian site and my response reflected a modest acknowledgment without getting into the weeds. I’m not trying to educate anyone on witchcraft.

~bella

You’re using Wicca, witchcraft, paganism, and ceremonial magic interchangeably, which is I think the issue. They’re not interchangable. Most Wiccans are witches, not all witches are Wiccan, not all people who do “magic” are witches or Wiccan.

You mentioned a theory about the moon cycle and spell casting nuance. I mentioned Wicca in the context that the information you shared is predominately followed by Wiccans and that Wiccans overwhelmingly don’t do curses, so it’s unlikely the theory you floated has “some truth” astrologically as you said it did. Both because the people generally who follow the moon cycle in that style are Wiccans, who don’t do curses, and people who follow them to that degree who aren’t Wiccan would have chosen a different cycle. Even Gardnerian and Alexandrian, which are pretty high ceremony branches, specifically and explicitly disallow curses.

The rest of the practices you mentioned aren’t Wiccan, but they aren’t particularly bound by the moon cycles in that way. That’s Wiccan and social media witchcraft territory.

The person on this listing claims to be just a general master, promises same day rituals, so, again, your statement “there may be some truth in their statement and it lines up astronomically” would still not be accurate. This person charges $1.60, at best fires out a ritual without any real planning of astronomical events, but more likely does nothing at all but an obligatory picture of something that looks vaguely witchy.

It’s not a discussion on how to do witchcraft, it’s me correcting a claim that seems pretty (accidentally) inaccurate given what we know. Since people are harassing and threatening witchy people online over Charlie Kirk’s death, correcting incorrect information and speculation is very important.

RandyPNW · 2025-09-15T17:53:22-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
No, I in no way think my views are "unique" or "special." All I've done so far is mention that I simply don't think anyone has a "full view" all figured out.

I in no way claimed to know more than you, nor that I know that your position on biblical eschatology is utterly wrong. I said to you above that I'm already fully aware of the interpretive issues and that it is possible there could be some leading figure someday; the caveat in my thinking is simply that a leading human figure is in itself not required.

That was my whole point, that I suspected your view of Antichrist without the THE was the common belief that Antichrist may not be a singular figure, but rather, a series of figures with antichristian features. Nothing wrong with this view, but that"s what I suspected you thought about.

And so, I shared with you *why* I think Antichrist is THE Antichrist--an individual at the end of history, and not just a series of antichrists throughout history who carried like characteristics. It is because I believe the term Anti-Christ originates with Dan 7, where the Little Horn is "Anti" the coming Kingdom of the Son of Man/Christ. Thus, Anti-Christ.

2PhiloVoid said:
Again, I didn't say there won't be. You apparently don't believe me and/or have firmly placed all your interpretive chips into one of the dozen positions available and feel the need to prove a point.

My apologies if you think I'm undermining you by telling you that I don't need your help with interpreting the Bible.

Not at all. I was just trying to let you know why I see the Antichrist is a single individual, and not just a thousand predecessors. I see no reason for you to be defensive about this?

Saying you already know all this did throw me back because you invited the conversation. Just casting away comments because "you've heard it before" relegates those comments to something you view as irrelevant to the conversation, which many others may read, as well. Others are entitled to hear the entire relevant commentary, and I do believe it was on point.

That being said, I think we've made our respective points. I do like your bringing up the issue though.

com7fy8 · 2025-09-15T17:51:32-0500

BeckyJ said:
as far as I can tell.

Thank you for telling me what you can tell

I can, at times, be self-righteous, trying to show I am smarter than the others. So, you have a good chance of being right.

But I like to be able to actually get to know someone, so I can see what the person's real life is because of what they say they believe.

I do think that if you are going to say someone is false, then we need to give exact quotes and verified actions which support what we claim.

If we discuss specifics, then people can learn from how we evaluate, versus just taking our word for it . . . and not learning how to evaluate.

Also . . . maybe not for the purpose of your thread > I'll quickly say people might be very good at pointing at distant fakes, but they can not evaluate people they actually know. And whom they choose for marriage, among other items, shows this.

So, we need to learn how to evaluate, and not only put labels on ones we don't even know.

So - - do you wish to share in specifics how you have evaluated at least one of your people on your list?

And do you wish to share about how to detect someone you actually know, who is a fake, so you aren't fooled into marrying the person?? < like certain ones seem to tend to do, including in born-again church culture.

NxNW · 2025-09-15T17:51:21-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
And what epistemic insinuation would you like for me to draw from your sci-fi-horror analogy?

That humans can conceive of a better method to convey a supernatural message than the one that is purported to have been used by an actual supernatural being.

Although that has very little to do with epidemic insemination.

2PhiloVoid said:
You're right, your implied analogy is creative and interesting. But so were Metropolis, Logan's Run and Dune.

Well, not Logan's Run, Farrah's disappointing cameo aside. The texts of those books have been better preserved than the Biblical texts that were supposedly passed down.

2PhiloVoid said:
That's a terribly artificial and subjectively contrived criterion by which to gauge the supernatural origin of some entity or of a historically embedded religion.

It's reasonable to expect more from an omniscient being.

Dan Perez · 2025-09-15T17:51:10-0500

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So don't make absolute statements like you did then...I never said it was proof of anything other than you being wrong when you made that statement.

And you never said where the word RAPTURE. is found in the BIBLE ,as there is NOT a Greek word called RAPTURE,,

and in my 40. years have yet to see it in. the KJV at all. !! I. am speaking to MISTER TATE. !!

And will be AGOG. if you find it ??

dan p

PloverWing · 2025-09-15T17:48:38-0500

Ask a chaplain or pastor (especially if you have a pastor who's known you a long time), but also ask a physician. Some brain injuries, strokes, and other physical ailments can have symptoms like what you've described.

RandyPNW · 2025-09-15T17:46:47-0500

Fisherking said:
Its 10 Horns not 10 nations, its never called that.

10 Horns represented 10 kingdoms, which is synonymous with nations. I used the word "nations" because when you study the evolution of the 4th Kingdom, ie the Roman Empire, you see that kingdoms formed after it that in the modern age are referred to sometimes as "nations." They are nation-states that have leaders, whether called "kings" or "presidents" or "prime iministers." They are heads of state.

Fisherking said:
Horns = Powers and 10 = Completion. So, you have 10 Powers arising.

It is not said to be "completion," but okay. The number 10 relates to the number of toes on two feet. It relates back to Dan 2 where the Great Statue had 2 feet of iron mixed with clay.

Fisherking said:
Now think, God can never be wrong, so in am ever changing landscape He uses 10 to describes these Powers that arise out of Old Rome. So, in 1956 or so 8 Nations arose vis the Council of Rome, in the 70s it grew, in the 80s it grew etc. etc. It was 27 or more nations then the UK left, but you see with the number 10 God stated 10 (Completion) Powers or Horns arose and thus the E.U. took the place of old Rome. Its never 10, the 10 Virgins do not mean 10 Virgin women. The 10 Commandments are a stand in for the complete law. The 10 days of Tribulation Smyrna faced was the Complete Church Age.

Well, the number itself is interesting, but I think God views hands and feet as a set of 10. That is travelling and working, feet and hands.

I agree that the EU arose out of Old Rome, but the number it has evolved into is not related to the precise number that will form a Kingdom and what Antichrist will take over. It will be, I think, 5 major nations from W. Europe and 5 major nations from E. Europe.

Not all of the nations in the EU carried the Roman Imperial banner. So, it's much less than 27. I can't say precisely which ones they would be, but I could certainly guess!

Fisherking said:
Indeed, he has like 33 or so names, he's a Little Horn meaning a Power that is a man which God never allows to turn into a kingdom, like the four in Dan. 7:17 did, by passing their kingdoms on. He is also a Assyrian, but only by bloodline that kingdom is no more.

I don't know that he's Assyrian--he's much more likely a Jewish or Christians apostate from Europe. The "Little" refers to the fact he is an individual king as opposed to an entire kingdom.

The Antichrist does not have a lot of names in Scriptures. I just mentioned the few I know, including the Little Horn, the Man of Sin, the Anti-Christ, and the Beast. The Beast itself is a kingdom, but he is also the king over that kingdom.

Thanks for the discussion. It's always interesting. I'm just sharing my view of things.

rambot · 2025-09-15T17:44:15-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I dont think you guys get it. When the majority of liberals, not just the fringe leftist, but those considered liberal elites, either shrugged off, made excuses for, or even celebrated an assassination, all of them implicitly said, "Better keep your mouth shut or else you may be next."

Keeping talking Oompa Loompa

Oompa Loompa said:
We are long past unity. I dont think there will be a civil war. But I predict that their will be a very powerful movement wanting everyone who supported, encouraged, justified, or celebrated this tragedy to be ostracized from society, fired from their jobs, and cast out as threats to the marketplace of ideas.

You'll have to wake up.
People die from guns all the time in the US. You notice that?

If hundreds of dead childrens haven't changed America, it would be extraordinarily disappointing if this one death did.

Chesterton · 2025-09-15T17:44:11-0500

rambot said:
I love this!

Just a conservative being offended by words.

Um, what words?

Chesterton · 2025-09-15T17:43:11-0500

Ophiolite said:
Getting back to Tommy Robinson: having suggested that calling him far right may be inaccurate given some of his positions (which I did not name) ChatGPT responded with a lengthy piece of which this was the conclusion:

Yes, it is reasonable to call Tommy Robinson far right, in that many of his positions, rhetoric, and associations align with what is commonly understood by the term in the UK context: anti-Islam, anti-immigration, national identity, populism, links to far-right groups, etc.

But it is also simplistic in the sense that the label doesn’t capture everything: the nuances of how he shifts tactics, how he frames his message, his particular blend of claims, the way he appeals to certain grievances rather than just ideological purity.

Also, there is value in distinguishing between “radical right / far right” as a spectrum (ranging from mainstream conservative nationalism to extreme xenophobic / racist ideology) vs. “fringe extremist” or “neo-fascist” etc. Depending on which end of the spectrum you place Robinson, the label may seem more or less apt.

My thought: Like most casual and convenient classification systems, while spectrums are better than a simple dichotomy, they hardly capture the full range of any position. A more relevant question is not "What is he politically?", but "How does he want to change society and which methods does he plan to use to do so?"

If you recall, in the OP, I mentioned that Grok volunteered that Tommy is far-right, even though I didn't ask. When I asked about violent far-leftist Bill Ayers, it did not use the words "far-left". This is how AI is programmed similarly to how mainstream media humans are programmed. For example, in America, a TV news show will say "Tonight's guest is conservative senator Ted Cruz", or it might say "Tonight's guest is senator Bernie Sanders". They will never say "Tonight's guest is liberal senator Bernie Sanders". It's a bit subliminal you might say, but your mind gets the idea that there's something abnormal about being conservative so that it needs to be specified, and the same does not apply to liberals. (I've heard that the words liberal and conservative don't mean exactly the same things across the pond, but hopefully you'll know what I'm saying.)

The first bullet point mentions that the ideas it's expressing are "in the UK context". This really should say in "the Leftist or liberal context". There's nothing far-right, or abnormal, or immoral about being anti-Islam or anti-immigration. (I'm a Christian, but even if I were an atheist I would be anti-Islam.) If Saudi Arabia were receiving 1,000,000 white Western Christian migrants a year, do you think they'd be putting them up in 4-star hotels, even while we were committing an inordinate amount of crime and many of us bragging that we are going to take over their kingdom?

I also wonder why, if Tommy is far-right, why does almost all of the actual far-right denounce him these days.

Yarddog · 2025-09-15T17:41:08-0500

Valletta said:
Of course they were.

No they weren't. There were some in prison that trespassing was an additional charge but not for only being in the building.

rambot · 2025-09-15T17:40:41-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
Translation: America is being left behind on the world stage so we need other countries citizens to come, give Americans the advantages of a DEI program without calling it a DEI program, because without it we would no longer be competitive in a worldwide business economy and we don’t like that.

You are being left behind but only by developed nations with whom you've had strong friendship and who are incredibly advanced and first world.

But on the plus side, for a while, all those countries led by authoritarians really liked you and wanted to toss a whole bunch of money at you!

But they'll withdraw their money too at some point cause you're gonna treat them poorly too cause those countries are poor and brown.

fhansen · 2025-09-15T17:38:38-0500

Clare73 said:
It's not about knowing, it's about what God counts as knowing, or counts as any other rquirement.

Ok, then it's about knowing. And/or any other requirement. So..eternal life is to know God and His Son: John 17:3. And this aligns with 1 Pet 1:21 as both point to the broader perspective regarding the role of faith and what it's meant to accomplish. Faith in Jesus and what He's done is faith in/unity with God, the whole point of Christianity. Jesus is the answer to the questions, "What would God do?", "Who is God that I might believe?"

ralliann · 2025-09-15T17:37:38-0500

Studyman said:
Who is the "They", Mary and the Disciples who clearly understood the Sabbath Jesus was "Lord of", or the mainstream preachers of that time who had polluted God's sabbath, and were teaching for doctrines the commandments of men?

Yes, Passover was "Preparation Day" for the First Day of Unleavened Bread. That is why it was important, to fulfill all Righteousness, that Jesus was placed in the grave before sundown, the end of Passover.

How did "who" do "what"?

They would have followed God's Instruction in the Torah.

The day God created is 24 hours. There are 7 days in a week, according to the God "of the bible". Romans didn't create the "DAY" God did.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Each day has a "day" and a "night", and starts with the Night. I'm not sure why you would imply that the day and night Jesus referred to was a "Roman Day".

What exactly is "Judaism" in your religion? Was it living by the Spiritual Word of God as Jesus and the examples of Faithful men given us in scriptures did? Or is "Judaism" the "Jews religion" that taught for doctrines the commandments of men, not God, polluted God's Sabbaths, and persecuted the Church of God?.

You need to define the context of your use of this world, before we can have a honest discussion about it.

Of course they did, sacrifices were made in the day, not the night. By definition, morning comes after night. Darkness dwelled on the earth, before Light. Darkness first, then Light. ignorance first, and then wisdom. 6 days of work first, then Rest.

I'm OK with that.

Look, I understand how important religious traditions are, and how far men will go to defend and preserve them. I know there is no Biblical instruction to turn away from God's Sabbath, to the Catholic Sabbath. I know that God knew the Day the Prophesied Messiah would be raised from the dead, from the foundation of the World.

I also know from experience, that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will never turn away from their religious traditions, which is shown to me in the scriptures over and over and over and over and over.

I am happy to discuss with you the spiritual meaning of the daily sacrifices, "made by fire" etc., in a different thread. But this thread is about God's sabbaths. let's stay focused on that.

In your religion, this might be true. But according to Moses and the Prophets, the Feast Day begins at evening.

Jesus ate the Last supper with His Disciples after sundown on the 13th of Nisan, which would be the 14th of Nisan. After the Passover meal, Jesus

went to Gethsemane, and prayed, "at night" before the morning of Passover. In the morning HE was betrayed by Judas, tried, beaten stripped and crucified, all in the same day, Passover, which had begun the night before. And He was placed in the Grave "Before" the High Sabbath of the First day of Unleavened bread.

So it's right there in your own Bible.

Read the story of the Passover in Moses Time.

Ex. 12: 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain "until the morning"; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

Passover begins at sundown, at least according to the Holy scriptures.

Personally, I don't know what you mean by "Judaism". I understand Passover by reason of use. Not really interest in the Talmud, or the Jews religion, nor the Catholic religion and her Protestant daughters religious traditions and philosophies. I'm more interested in what the Scriptures actually teach and how they help me to "know the One True God" that Jesus wants me to know.

I am talking about Jews that kept these things in Jesus day and The Judaism that existed in Jesus day.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-09-15T17:37:14-0500

essentialsaltes said:
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Translation: America is being left behind on the world stage so we need other countries citizens to come, give Americans the advantages of a DEI program without calling it a DEI program, because without it we would no longer be competitive in a worldwide business economy and we don’t like that.

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