Job 33:6 said:

Sure.

You're welcome to share why you think a literal Adam is necessary to keep the Bible robust, if you would like to.

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Genesis 2:7: 7 “Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” Animals were already alive, and probably many humanoids, so they already had at least one form of “the breath of life.” Adam and Eve (probably not their real names) received something more. I think it was part of “God’s image” and they became something greater and more complex mentally and spiritually than animals. Animals can’t sin, and their creative abilities are much more limited. Suddenly, after supposedly 900,000 years, mankind started agriculture, building cities, creating idols, and going to war. Adam and Eve were the transition from animals to humans.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Spiritual death is first described with Adam and Eve after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were not responding obediently to God, but God began to repair it. Life towards God needs God to be present and available. Or we only have our consciences to guide us.

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Good day, GKG

Your appeal to consciences is useless:

The unregenerate unbelieving man's mind and conscience is:

To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.

The word defiled here twice in 1 century was used to describe rotting heaps of garbage;

Vines:

Defile, Defilement:

primarily, "to stain, to tinge or dye with another color," as in the staining of a glass, hence, "to pollute, contaminate, soil, defile," is used
(a) of "ceremonial defilement," Jhn 18:28; so in the Sept., in Lev 22:5, 8; Num 19:13, 20 etc.;

(b) of "moral defilement," Tts 1:15 (twice); Hbr 12:15, "of moral and physical defilement," Jud 1:8

So unregenerate unbelieving man is hopeless in and of him self.

Heart full of wickedness
Mind evil all the time.
Their conscience is defiled
They are dead
They are unable to come to Christ
The devil is their father, they can not hear God's word

They in and of themselves are with out hope:"

But God

He adopts his children
He gives them to Christ
He removes their heart of stone
He gives them a heart of flesh
He puts His Spirit in them
He causes them to walk in His ways, and obey his statues
He makes them His own, and he becomes their God
He grants them Faith
He grants them repentance
He declares them Just
Christ dies for them
Christ turns away the just Wrath of God against them
Christ does the will of the Father and raises them up on the last day
Christ loses none of them
Christ mediates peace between them and God
Christ is their righteousness
Christ transfers them from the darkness to light
Christ intercedes on their behalf
Christ is their High priest
Christ knows them, and calls them


Salvation is of the Lord!

In Him,

Bill

Valletta said:

"CNN reported on a publicly available app, which is generating attention across the United States, and reached out to ICE for comment prior to publication. After CNN published its reporting, ICE posted a response, which is now included in the story," the spokesperson told Fox News Digital.
The response reported by CNN came from ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons, who said ICEBlock "basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers’ backs" and that "officers and agents are already facing a 500% increase in assaults."

Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt accused CNN of inciting violence by covering a story on ICEBlock, an app that reports sightings of ICE agents.

www.yahoo.com

She makes a good point.

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This is an administration that claims an 80 year old congresswoman assaulted one of their officers. I do not find their chief propaganda dispenser, whom I have seen lie directly to reporters on easily fact checked items, to be a credible source for information.

This sort of thing happens from time to time: c.f. The Slender Man Stabbing (2014)

Dan Perez said:

And your graph I do not understand

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You could have just ignored my "graph". Instead, you ignored my commentary and my question.

Dan Perez said:

or care to understand

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Why add this statement?

Dan Perez said:

as my form way superior ,

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I'm pretty sure you would appreciate the software that I use. I even considered buying you a copy to help you with your pursuits. But that is out the door now.

Dan Perez said:

sorry !

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Me too.

Strong in Him said:

But they do not prove/disprove that Jesus will return in 2040 - the subject of the thread - because we don't know.
It could be sooner; it might be a lot later.

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I like these kind of threads, I missed this one when it came out. So yes, it could be sooner, but I seriously doubt it could be a lot latter. I mainly logged in to say I think it's happening much sooner than 2040. Isaac Newton said he saw no reason for it to be before 2060. Based on the convoluted method which he arrived at that date it had to be some sort of a ruse to throw people off the real timing he had in mind based on what he wrote in his Daniel 9 commentary. Newton knew it would be around our times now. What Newton wrote in his note on Daniel 9 in the 1700's, got tucked away from the pubic eye. It only got out of the courts where it was brought to Jerusalem by Abraham Shalom Yehuda in 1969. And that was the same year in January, when Levi Eshkol made the most recent decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem, after the Six Day War in 1967. Levi died of a heart attack a month latter in February that year.

The way that the OP is getting 2040, is the same way others are getting 2030. There's a better method that still counts 6-1000 year "days" since creation week. But Jesus gave us a shortcut when He aligned the timing at the cross. It's way easier to figure out Passover week by the phase of the moon at the Passover count on Friday, April 7, 30AD. And that matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. So the most recent 2-1000 year "days" ends in 2030.

But I still think there's a better Biblical method, with higher accuracy, that says it had to be happening sooner than 2030, or 2027, or 2026. Or maybe ever sooner. Which might be more fun for some, than it is for others.

Hans Blaster said:

Looks like busybody Christians (temperance movement) triggering a crime wave and the associated lawlessness downstream.

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Is always the Christians lol. I guess you didn’t read the article.

Jeff Saunders said:

So faith in God ? Did not Jesus say that no man comes to the Father except through him ?( John 14:6 )

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Jesus was present in the OT times but not yet in the new covenant. The old covenant included the law which He fulfilled, however, it was not the law that saved the people of the OT times it was faith.

“¶“Behold, as for the impudent one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous one will live by his faith.”
‭‭Habakkuk‬ ‭2‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
Habakkuk 2:4 ¶“Behold, as for the impudent one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous one will live by his faith. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.””
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Jeff Saunders said:

Do you believe that all have to go through Jesus to get to the Father or are there other ways to get to the Father?

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Yes. I completely believe in the terms of the new covenant.

Job 33:6 said:

Here is another example:
Consider the Parable of the Wicked Tenants (Mark 12:1–12). Jesus tells a story about a landowner who plants a vineyard and leases it to tenants. When he sends servants to collect some of the vineyard’s fruit, the tenants abuse or kill them. Finally, he sends his son, who is also rejected and killed.
This isn’t a record of a historical event, but a symbolic, poetic story Jesus used to communicate a serious message. The tenants represent Israel’s religious leaders, the servants are God’s prophets, and the son symbolizes Jesus Himself. The parable predicts Jesus’ own rejection and death, but also points forward to God’s judgment and the establishment of a new kingdom.

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Like the bronze serpent in Numbers or the Rich Man and Lazarus parable, this story shows that not every biblical narrative has to be a literal history to carry real theological weight. Symbolism can point forward to a greater truth. Jesus used symbolic stories and prophetic imagery to reveal God’s plan of salvation, judgment, and hope.
So when we look at figures like Adam, it can be helpful to consider whether they might function) more as archetypes or symbols,

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However, I don't see it as helpful to consider as simply archetypes or symbols that which the apostle, who received his teaching in heaven from Jesus (2 Co 12:1-8, Gal 1:11-12), presents as actual.
Types and symbols encompass an actuality.

Job 33:6 said:

This is your opinion. It isn't actually evident in the text.

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It is absolutely evident in Ro 5:18-19. . ."just as. . .so also". . .no actual "just as" means no actual "so also."

Job 33:6 said:

Nothing wrong with an opinion, but you should be aware that this is what it is.
Some people have the opinion that Eve was literally made out of a rib bone too.
You're free to believe what you want. But you should know that there are other comfortable ways of accepting truth or the Bible without oddities like this needing to be literally true.
If you ever decide that you're uncomfortable with women being made out of rib bones, before considering atheism, just don't forget that there are other options.

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The actual truth of the word of God written (2 Tim 3:16) is not subject to my comfort level.
Actually, I don't find "eternal punishment" very comfortable (Mt 25:46).

Job 33:6 said:

communicating profound truths about humanity and God’s relationship with us, just as Jesus’ parables teach timeless lessons through vivid, symbolic storytelling.

And there are lots of stories like this throughout the Bible.

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You well know that Jesus presented his parables as such, while neither Genesis nor Paul present Adam as parable.
Have a hard time with understanding "analagous?"

One good question would be ... Does erternal life grow on a literal tree?

Would my life be enriched by learning more about Lawrence of Arabia?

Anybody using the outhouse?

HOUS

The actual violinists have fingers.

FINGE

Job 33:6 said:

This is your opinion. It isn't actually evident in the text. Nothing wrong with an opinion, but you should be aware that this is what it is.
Some people have the opinion that Eve was literally made out of a rib bone too.
You're free to believe what you want. But you should know that there are other comfortable ways of accepting truth or the Bible without oddities like this needing to be literally true.
If you ever decide that you're uncomfortable with women being made out of rib bones, before considering atheism, just don't forget that there are other options.

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There are no other Biblical options, the Bible being my sole authority for faith and doctrine.

Richard T said:

I never said God helps hellbound angels. He does demonstrate His wisdom to them in what I assume to be a sort of in their face judgement. I dont say it is God's only purpose but the whole plan, the mystery in context was so grand, and i am sure jaw-dropping to the fallen angels. Just as the magnificent plan God had to bring Jesus as a man to restore mankind to our elevated status as children if God. You are correct it is an amazing gift.

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OK, I do have an issue with this idea , you said:

“God had to bring Jesus as a man to restore mankind to our elevated status as children if God.”

Man is not being “restored”, since Adam and Eve were far short of being Christ like, even though they were made “vey good”.

We do not want to go back to the way Adam and Eve were even prior to sinning, since with the way they were they sinned, we want something much better.

Adam and Eve prior to sinning lacked something which God could not provide instinctively in them, it had to come as the result of a free will choice on their part with likely alternatives to make it a real choice.

probinson said:

Just so I'm clear on your thought process, if SCOTUS agrees with Trump, it's because he "handpicked" the justices, but if SCOTUS disagrees with Trump, it's because he didn't handpick every justice.

Do I have that right?

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I'll make it clearer.

There are a number of justices on the Supreme Court who seem to be aiding Trump in his goal of weilding dictator like power. Sometimes, enough of the other justices side with them, occasionally they don't.

-- A2SG, is that better?

Mayzoo said:

When will genderize elevators? I have a chance of protecting myself in a restroom for a time. I have almost no chance in an elevator. Let's petition for gender based elevator if we really want to protect women. Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative. After all, it is about protecting women.

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Ah.. so Sharia Law is now the same thing as keeping men out of women's private spaces?

Do you have something against Sharia Law?

Job 33:6 said:

Not sure what's going on with your response, but I'll pull this one out

Animal sacrifices didn’t permanently remove sin themselves, they served as symbolic acts that pointed to something greater. Hebrews 10:4 makes that clear: “it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” The sacrifices were a temporary, symbolic covering, showing the need for a true, ultimate sacrifice.

That’s exactly why these symbols matter, they prepare us for the real, divine action. Like the bronze serpent in Numbers 21: it was just a piece of metal, but God used it as a visible symbol to focus the people’s faith. The power wasn’t in the object but in God’s promise and response to trust.

Similarly, animal sacrifices pointed forward to Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice on the cross, which truly deals with sin (Hebrews 10:12). So symbols don’t act on their own, they point us to God’s initiative and the deeper spiritual reality.

This principle of symbolic or typological representation can also be applied to figures like Adam. Just as the sacrifices and the bronze serpent served as symbols pointing forward to greater realities, Adam can be understood as an archetype or a “type” of humanity,

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While I respect your copious grasp, Paul, who received his teaching in heaven from Jesus (2 Co 12:1-8, Gal 1:11-12), presents Adam as actual, not just archetype. . .and I have decided not to improve upon Paul.
And then there is the geneaology in Lk 3.

Job 33:6 said:

representing the origin, condition, and need of mankind, rather than necessarily a literal individual. In fact, Paul himself calls Christ the “last Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:45), highlighting the typological contrast between the first human and the new humanity found in Christ.

So understanding Adam symbolically doesn’t undermine the biblical message; rather, it aligns with the Bible’s broader use of symbols and types that prepare us for the fullness of God’s redemptive work in Jesus.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I haven't researched other companies, but Apple often announces billion-dollar investments in the U.S. every 2-3 years without following through. I wouldn't expect Apple to invest in the USA.

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You do remember that during the first Trump term. Apple repatriated 250billion into the US. When corporate taxes were brought under control

ralliann said:

I think they are quite normal.

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They most certainly are normal and universal.

RileyG said:

Of course I don’t want anyone to check genitalia.

Maybe im too traditional that I will never accept trans women as real women, because I find it impossible. Maybe im too old fashioned.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this issue and move on.

Take care

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Don't make excuses for your stance Riley. You are not too traditional or too old or old fashioned. What you have is common sense based upon solid reasoning.

The whole checking genitalia is a leftist strawman argument in order to let men into womens spaces. Because literally no one has ever suggested we do that. And it's utterly unnecessary.

Job 33:6 said:

I think that it's somewhat of a subjective opinion that a non literal Adam is a disservice to Bible study.

It's kind of just a claim that some make, but it's purely opinion. Many would very well say the opposite. That literalism is the disservice and non literalism is what keeps the message robust.

Just look around you. Look at how many consistent failures literalism has produced? Consider Galileo and the Catholic Church for one. A simple example that everyone agrees on.

Look at the ugly mess that is young earth creationism, and how many people are fleeing the church everyday because of it.

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As I wrote, I mostly agree with you. If you would like me to explain why I think there was a literal Adam and Eve, I’d be happy to. Non-literalism does keep the Bible robust, and I explained my level of literalism and non-literalism. Literalism has caused a lot of harm, but it is just another form of usurping authority. There are churches today who all but abandoned the Bible who do much the same thing. In most cases it is “We have a corner on the truth, and you are outside because you don’t agree with us.” I hope your health is good, but it is very disturbing to go to the doctor and be told that there is defiantly something wrong, but we don’t know what it is or how to help. We don’t like things to be unclear. That is why literalists get upset if you question their belief in a passage of the Bible. Maybe it is a lack of faith, but I think it is just human insecurity. Not much in our modern life is stable, and they cling to that stability.

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But sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, produced in me all covetousness; for apart from the Law, sin is dead. And I once was alive apart from Law; but the commandment having come, sin revived, and I died; and this commandment that was unto life proved to be death to me. For sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it put me to death.

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In the end, it all comes down to the law of our mind, a soul kept or a soul lost (where we view truth from ... (one of labor or one without hands) … and far we are willing to enter into this truth of both where and who we are ...

GoldenKingGaze said:

James 4:2-3 NKJV
2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and [a]war. [b]Yet you do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

How were you and your friends born again? You never asked for salvation?

Not asking is irresponsible, then fewer are saved. Our parents asked for our salvation, our forefathers asked for revival, even cried out. St Monica asked for Augustine's, her son's salvation and he became a bishop.

You quote God's promises of giving, if you want them, you must ask for them.

Sons ask their fathers.

We pray, come Holy Spirit. And you Kingdom come.

It may be that another asks for you. At church intercession results in you receiving.

Luke 11 NKJV
1Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”

2So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

Our[a] Father Luke 11 NKJVin heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
[c]Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
[d]But deliver us from the evil one.”

A Friend Comes at Midnight​

5And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.

Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking​

9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11If a son asks for [e]bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

So ask for the Father to give you the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name and surrender to the indwelling presence for the fruit. Even ask for the grace of surrender.

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Good day, GKG

Good question..

We heard the Gospel we were commanded to believe and repent.

And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

God's work though the Gospel as the instrumental cause put His Spirit in us and caused us to obey His commands.
The effect of that (effective and purposeful) cause we believed and repented just as He intended.


God is the cause we are the effected..

No more wicked heart it is gone we have a new one that God gave us. With that new heart we have new desires that inform our soul and we have all the information that we need to desire God and reach for him he alone is highest value. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and we repent. We love the light we once hated, and hate the darkness we once loved, that which is born of the Spirit is spirit the born again work of God achieves that which he purposes salvation is of the Lord.

We are granted both Faith, and repentance from God he adopts us and we are His eternally.


So I ask the same "How were you and your friends born again?"

In HIm,

Bill