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RileyG · Jul 4, 2025

Lord have mercy!

Clare73 · Jul 4, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
According to God, love is the foundation of keeping the commandments as He said right in the Ten Commandments

So then you do understand why my focus is on Jesus' new command of the new covenant: love one another as I have loved you (Jn 13:34), rather than on the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) Decalogue, "do no harm."

RileyG · Jul 4, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
So what about the sins of Rome that are truths? Are we to ignore them and allow for the cover up by the revisions of history?

We need to call sin by its rightful name and not make excuses for it.

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People have been sinning for centuries. Color me surprised. And there’s plenty of abuse in all Churches, which is extremely unfortunate.

Good grief

CoreyD · Jul 4, 2025

Aseyesee said:
Have you (as the hebrew writer put it) entertained angel's?

I do look forward to living more than 3,000 years, but I'm not that old.

However, every one of us have entertained angels, only not in the way Paul referred to.
Angels have been watching humans for centuries, and have been entertained in one way or other.

The wicked angels are entertained when we do things that displeases God, and of course the faithful angles are entertained, when we do the opposite.
Jesus said, "there is more happiness in heaven because of one sinner who turns to God than over 99 good people who don't need to."

Since Jesus is teaching his people, by means of God's holy spirit John 14:15-21, we can be sure that angels do not pass our way, for us to 'entertain' them... that is, show hospitality to strangers who are not from this realm.
The means by which God spoke to his servants, has changed. Hebrews 1:1, 2

The last angel to visit this realm with a message, was between 70 and 90 A.D., when John received a visit from an angel sent by Jesus. Revelation 1:1
That angel did not visit individual members of the congregation, but rather, Jesus sent that angel to the last living apostle.
This is how Jesus, in imitation of his father, operates.

There is always a chosen servant to lead, whom God, as well as Jesus, communicates the message, and that servants feeds others. Jesus uses this exact method, as the scriptures show. Matthew 24:45-47

Exodus 33:11
Thus the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend.
Numbers 12:8

Whereas, all the selected men died out, the one remaining was solely given a message to dispense to all the congregations.
Revelation 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

This is where we are at present, in regards to the angels.
We entertain angels by listening to the messages they delivered.
Consider this interesting one...

Revelation 12:1, 2

1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

Revelation 12:3, 4

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

The angel identifies the dragon....
Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

However, he does not reveal the identity of the woman, and her child.
The angel does give us clues to their identity though. Those clues are found in the remaining verses of Revelation 12, coupled with Revelation 1:1, and other scriptures.

Some people think this woman is Eve, or Mary.
However, Revelation 1:1, and Revelation 12:13-17 rules out either of those.
This event does not take place until well after Jesus ascension.

JSRG · Jul 4, 2025

Amo2 said:
Among the negative recorded histories associated with the Church of Rome, was her staunch use and defense of censorship. To the extent that even the bible was on her forbidden book list until the 1960's I do believe.

This would be very implausible, given that there were Catholic-approved Bible translations long before that time period. I believe there was, for a good while, strong discouragement to read any Bible translation not done by Catholics, but that's a rather different thing than the kind of blanket Bible prohibition you seem to be making it out to be.

ralliann · Jul 4, 2025

Belk said:
Do they use guns? I bet they use guns.

The fact remains, you want to demonize one group and absolve another.

These groups are "groups" based upon what they say and DO. they have identified themselves. They are the "demonizers". Identify much?

Belk said:
You can try to dress it up however you like, but no one is going to buy your reasoning.

We know law enforcement these days have been killed, set up etc. Made targets (Demonized) as oppressors of whomever these make into victims. they also like to intimidate those who do not agree with them.

com7fy8 · Jul 4, 2025

"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12:10)

What is this "pleasure" which we also can enjoy, no matter what we are going through?

And can we have this while being concerned only about our own selves??

A New Dawn · Jul 4, 2025

All Becomes New said:
There is a woman I know who is Pro-Choice. She is a Christian. I know this is a hotly debated thing. My perspective is that she may not know why the Pro-Choice perspective is wrong fully. I am trying to talk to her about it. It's a very heavy topic for her as she has had an abortion herself.

She has changed her perspective on some things. I told her watching shows about mediums is bad, and she stopped watching them. I've also told her to stop doing sports gambling, and she stopped that as well. But I also understand that I am working against decades of propaganda. She has been secular most of her life, and I live in MN, which has some of the worst laws about abortion there are. I'm thankful she is willing to even have the conversation in the first place. But I have to "weigh" how much I share with her and when.

If anyone has any advice on what the gentlest way to make the case for Pro-Life is, I'd love to hear it.

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I would like to respond as someone who has had an abortion. Though the abortion was before I was saved, I think on it daily. While I understand that Jesus died for my sins, some are more grievous than others, and it helps keep me humble when I see others sin. And I do use it as a tool to help others know that when Jesus forgives, He forgives completely, but we don’t escape the consequences of our actions. If we can show God’s perfect loving mercy in response to this horrible sin, then God is glorified. But it is a horrible sin, and it is even hard to discuss it for fear that others might think I’m glorifying sin.

I guess speaking about her feelings about her action and how she feels, whether remorseful or not, might be a way to start a discussion about it.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2025

dogs4thewin said:
funny thing is that incarceration has proven less effective than treatment and the conditions in which the United States keeps our incarcerated population has been proven to be MUCH less effective than nations who treat them like humans and usually have lighter sentences at both keeping people from reoffending AND cutting down on the violence while they ARE incarcerated.

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Well are the nations you speak of dealing with the mental problems that so many in America have who are incarcerated or are of the criminal element.

Fervent · Jul 4, 2025

expos4ever said:
I am interested in this statement of yours, although I'm not entirely sure I understand it. Are you implying that the mechanisms of evolution do not seem to be sufficiently explanatory for the complete range of human cognitive capabilities?

To an extent, yes. And it's not a purely hypothetical question, as there have been virtual experiments done that confirm the notion of species-specific survival functions arising rather than a globally trustworthy reasoning capability. I'll have to dig up the references, which I'll do if I have time later.

expos4ever said:
example, would you argue that it is nigh on impossible to explain our ability to grasp things like general relativity based on the assumption that our minds have been shaped by evolutionary forces focused solely on survival and procreation?

Yes, though its an issue of the trustworthiness of such reasoning rather than the exercise. Evolutionary forces alone wouldn't necessarily select for truth-finding capabilities, but instead would prefer cognitive functions that serve specialized reproductive strategies regardless of their reflection of reality. In some cases, the less reflective of reality the functions become the more utility they have in increasing breeding success.

Maria Billingsley · Jul 4, 2025

Brightfame52 said:
Im not agreeing with you. All the drawn are converted. The drawing is their conversion. So it doesnt include the unconverted

I am familiar with the doctrinal view of regeneration preceeding faith. Honestly in the end, we will all be judged equally.
Blessings

Hentenza · Jul 4, 2025

PloverWing said:
I'm still not following your argument on this. You seem to be saying that if the sacrifice was powerful enough to apply to everyone, then the sacrifice was not needed. I don't see how this follows.

See my post 122.

Clare73 · Jul 4, 2025

Ain't Zwinglian said:
I have never heard of the OT Decalogue's meaning is "do no harm" until about three weeks ago here at CF. Please cite chapter and verse for this extraordinary new teaching. "Do no harm" is Buddhism.

Thou shalt not
dishhonor parents,
murder,
steal,
commit adultery,
lie about others,
covet another's wife or goods.

That doesn't require love. That's just "do no harm."

The NT is : love one another as I have loved you (Jn 13:34).

Belk · Jul 4, 2025

ralliann said:
The radical groups, and individuals who target law enforcement, of all stripes exposes your irrational bias in judgement here.

Do they use guns? I bet they use guns.

The fact remains, you want to demonize one group and absolve another. You can try to dress it up however you like, but no one is going to buy your reasoning.

ralliann · Jul 4, 2025

daq said:
That's a serious misunderstanding of this word, (πληρόω), and its usage in the scripture. In fact Mat 5:17 is even mentioned at the bottom of the Thayer's entry for πληρόω below, and it does not mean what you say it does even in that context, but you would need to read the whole entry and see for yourself what this word most generally means and why your belief about (interpretation of) this word is simply based in the antinomian bias that has been spread so far and wide by so many false teachers, pastors, expositors, and online make-believe Bible scholars. Being in the majority doesn't make you right but it can very well mean you are on the wide road that leads to a dead end. The scripture evidence is overwhelming, which is the very reason lexicons use so many scriptures in support of the information they provide: your argument isn't against forum members but against the scripture.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4137: πληρόω

πληρόω πληρῶ (infinitive πληροῦν Luke 9:31, see WH's Appendix, p. 166); imperfect 3 person singular ἐπλήρου; future πληρώσω; 1 aorist ἐπλήρωσα; perfect πεπλήρωκα; passive, present πληροῦμαι; imperfect ἐπληρουμην; perfect πεπλήρωμαι; 1 aorist ἐπληρώθην; 1 future πληρωθήσομαι; future middle πληρώσομαι (once, Revelation 6:11 Rec.); (from ΠΛηΡΟΣ equivalent to πλήρης); from Aeschylus and Herodotus down; the Sept. for מָלֵא;
1. to make full, to fill, to fill up: τήν σαγηνην, passive, Matthew 13:48; equivalent to "to fill to the full, πᾶσαν χρείαν, Philippians 4:19; to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally: πεπλήρωμαι, I abound, I am liberally supplied, namely, with what is necessary for subsistence, Philippians 4:18; Hebraistically, with the accusative of the thing in which one abounds (cf. Buttmann, § 134, 7; Winer's Grammar, § 32, 5): of spiritual possessions, Philippians 1:11 (where Rec. has καρπῶν); Colossians 1:9, (ἐνέπλησα αὐτόν πνεῦμα σοφίας, Exodus 31:3; Exodus 35:31); equivalent to to flood, ἡ οἰκία ἐπληρώθη (Tr marginal reading ἐπλήσθη) ἐκ τῆς ὀσμῆς, John 12:3 (see ἐκ, II. 5); ἦχος ἐπλήρωσε τόν οἶκον, Acts 2:2; with a genitive of the thing, τήν Ἱερουσαλήμ τῆς διδαχῆς, Acts 5:28 (Libanius, epistles 721 πάσας — i. e. πόλεις — ἐνέπλησας τῶν ὑπέρ ἡμῶν λόγων; Justin, hist. 11, 7 Phrygiam religionibus implevit); τινα, equivalent to to fill, diffuse throughout one's soul: with a genitive of the thing, Luke 2:40 R G L text T Tr marginal reading (see below); Acts 2:28; passive, Acts 13:52; Romans 15:13 (where L marginal reading πληροφορέω, which see in c.), 14; 2 Timothy 1:4; with a dative of the thing (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 31, 7), passive (Luke 2:40 L marginal reading Tr text WH); Romans 1:29; 2 Corinthians 7:4; followed by ἐν with a dative of the instrument: ἐν πνεύματι, Ephesians 5:18; ἐν παντί θελήματι Θεοῦ, with everything which God wills (used of those who will nothing but what God wills), Colossians 4:12 R G (but see πληροφορέω, c.); πληροῦν τήν καρδίαν τίνος, to pervade, take possession of, one's heart, John 16:6; Acts 5:3; Christians are said πληροῦσθαι, simply, as those who are pervaded (i. e. richly furnished) with the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit: ἐν αὐτῷ, rooted as it were in Christ, i. e. by virtue of the intimate relationship entered into with him, Colossians 2:10 (cf. ἐν, I. 6 b.); εἰς πᾶν τό πλήρωμα τοῦ Θεοῦ (see πλήρωμα, 1), Ephesians 3:19 (not WH marginal reading); Christ, exalted to share in the divine administration, is said πληροῦν τά πάντα, to fill (pervade) the universe with his presence, power, activity, Ephesians 4:10; also πληροῦσθαι (middle for himself, i. e. to execute his counsels (cf. Winers Grammar, 258 (242); Buttmann, § 134, 7)) τά πάντα ἐν πᾶσιν, all things in all places, Ephesians 1:23 (μή οὐχί τόν οὐρανόν καί τήν γῆν ἐγώ πληρῶ, λέγει κύριος, Jeremiah 23:24; Grimm, Exeget. Hdbch. on Wis. 1:7, p. 55, cites examples from Philo and others; ((but ἐν πᾶσιν here is variously understood; see πᾶς, II. 2 b. δ. αα. and the commentaries))).

2. to render full, i. e. to complete;

a. properly, to fill up to the top: πᾶσαν φάραγγα, Luke 3:5; so that nothing shall be lacking to full measure, fill to the brim, μέτρον (which see, 1 a.), Matthew 23:32.

b. to perfect, consummate; α. a number: ἕως πληρωθῶσι καί οἱ σύνδουλοι, until the number of their comrades also shall have been made complete, Revelation 6:11 L WH text,cf. Düsterdieck at the passage (see γ. below). by a Hebraism (see πίμπλημι, at the end) time is said πληροῦσθαι, πεπληρωμένος, either when a period of time that was to elapse has passed, or when a definite time is at hand: Mark 1:15; Luke 21:24; John 7:8; Acts 7:23, 30; Acts 9:23; Acts 24:27 (Genesis 25:24; Genesis 29:21; Leviticus 8:33; Leviticus 12:4; Leviticus 25:30; Numbers 6:5; Josephus, Antiquities 4, 4, 6; 6, 4, 1; πληροῦν τόν τέλεον ἐνιαυτόν, Plato, Tim., p. 39d.; τούς χρόνους, legg. 9, p. 866a.). β. to make complete in every particular; to render perfect: πᾶσαν εὐδοκίαν κ.τ.λ. 2 Thessalonians 1:11; τήν χαράν, Philippians 2:2; passive, John 3:29; John 15:11; John 16:24; John 17:13; 1 John 1:4; 2 John 1:12; τά ἔργα, passive, Revelation 3:2; τήν ὑπακοήν, to cause all to obey, passive, 2 Corinthians 10:6; τό πάσχα, Luke 22:16 (Jesus speaks here allegorically: until perfect deliverance and blessedness be celebrated in the heavenly state). γ. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking): πάντα τά ῤήματα, Luke 7:1; τήν διακονίαν, Acts 12:25; Colossians 4:17; τό ἔργον, Acts 14:26; τόν δρόμον, Acts 13:25; namely, τόν δρόμον, Revelation 6:11 according to the reading πληρωσωσι (G T Tr WH marginal reading) or πληρωσονται (Rec.) (see α. above); ὡς ἐπληρώθη ταῦτα, when these things were ended, Acts 19:21. Here belongs also πληροῦν τό εὐαγγέλιον, to cause to be everywhere known, acknowledged, embraced (A. V. I have fully preached), Romans 15:19; in the same sense τόν λόγον τοῦ Θεοῦ, Colossians 1:25.

c. to carry into effect, bring to realization, realize; α. of matters of duty, to perform, execute: τόν νόμον, Romans 13:8; Galatians 5:14; τό δικαίωμα τοῦ νόμου, passive, ἐν ἡμῖν, among us, Romans 8:4; πᾶσαν δικαιοσύνην, Matthew 3:15 (εὐσέβειαν, 4 Macc. 12:15); τήν ἔξοδον (as something appointed and prescribed by God), Luke 9:31. β. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish; so in the phrases ἵνα or ὅπως πληρωθῇ ἡ γραφή, τό ῤηθέν, etc. (el. Knapp, Seripta var. Arg., p. 533f): Matthew 1:22; Matthew 2:15, 17, 23; Matthew 4:14; Matthew 8:17; Matthew 12:17; Matthew 13:35; Matthew 21:4; Matthew 26:54, 56; Matthew 27:9, 35 Rec.; Mark 14:49; Mark 15:28 (which verse G T WH omits; but Tr brackets it); Luke 1:20; Luke 4:21; Luke 21:22 Rec.; ; John 12:38; John 13:18; John 15:25; John 17:12; John 18:9, 32; John 19:24, 36; Acts 1:16; Acts 3:18; Acts 13:27; James 2:23 (1 Kings 2:27; 2 Chronicles 36:22). γ. universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i. e. "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Matthew 5:17; cf. Weiss, Das Matthäusevang. as above with, p. 146f (Compare: ἀναπληρόω, ἀνταναπληρόω, προσαναπληρόω, ἐκπληρόω, συμπληρόω.)

Strong's Greek: 4137. πληρόω (pléroó) -- To fill, to make full, to complete, to fulfill

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I think the greater point is.....Your undestanding of TORAH. Did it even exist in the time of Christ?
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;

This seat of authority included the office of priesthood and the office of judges....together giving sentence on law. NON sectarian.
As for the various "PERSONAL" sectarian ideas and practices of them as SECTS

He adds their sectarian elements......
"do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

The Pharisees here are a particular focus as the next verse shows, with a nod to the priesthood.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

The finger of the priests in their ministry : Purging, atoneing for sin....
These are only a few verses of the subject of the finger of the priests. There are many, many more throughout the law.

Ex 29:12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
Le 4:6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuary.
Le 4:17 And the priest shall dip his finger in some of the blood, and sprinkle it seven times before the LORD, even before the vail.

Dt 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:

Dt 33:8 ¶ And of Levi he said, Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah, and with whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;
9 Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: for they have observed thy word, and kept thy covenant.
10 They shall teach Jacob thy judgments, and Israel thy law: they shall put incense before thee, and whole burnt sacrifice upon thine altar.

Ex 29:12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.

Why?

Le 4:3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.

Did not Judaism understand this verse to mean, if the high priest taught error, it caused the error to the people to UNWITTINGLY Sin?
And therefore also related to this?
The death of the high priest atones
Nu 35:25 And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.
Nu 35:28 Because he should have remained in the city of his refuge until the death of the high priest: but after the death of the high priest the slayer shall return into the land of his possession.

timothyu · Jul 4, 2025

RDKirk said:
Something you forgot to mention is that it's not drawing merely upon your own conversation with it, but also upon millions of other conversations on the same subject matter.

In other words, it is a sheep and follows along with the controlled or popular narrative. No progress there.

Fervent · Jul 4, 2025

Jeff Saunders said:
Hebrews 11 says its appointed for man to die once and then the judgement, western Christians think this is heaven or "eternal Hell" , but the judgement is not that, the judgement is did you follow Jesus while in the temporary mortal body or not. If yes then to God you go, if no to the refinement you go,kolasis aionios , Gods judgement is for refinement not eternal punishment.
Its like our court system - if you are judged a murderer that judgement stands forever, you can't undo what has been done, but the punishment always has a beginning and an end.
Who is equating the remnant of Israel with the wicked shepherds ? I do not understand your last part.

That's neither here nor there, as the important part of Hebrews 11 in reply to you is its lists of people who lived by faith in a hope, and what that hope they were living for was. Specifically:

All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them

You asked how these people were saved, and it is no different than how we are saved today. By grace through faith, which side of the mystery we live on is irrelevant because Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Mockingbird0 · Jul 4, 2025

The source of the meme that Horus was born on December 25 seems to be a book titled The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe, Stratford 1929. McCabe wrote:

An early Christian work, the "Paschal Chronicle" (Migne ed. xcii col. 385), tells us that every year the temples of Horus presented to worshipers, in mid-winter (or about December 25th), a scenic model of the birth of Horus. He was represented as a babe born in a stable, his mother Isis standing by.--pp. 168-169.

What the Chronicon Pascale actually says can be found at this link. It relates a story that the Prophet Jeremiah, before he died in Egypt, warned the Egyptian priests that their idols would be destroyed by a savior born of a virgin, and laid in a manger. "For which reason" (Roger Pearse's translation) "they honor a pregnant virgin goddess and worship an infant in a manger".

The Chronicon Paschale says nothing about Horus or Isis. McCabe seems to have gotten the midwinter part from Macrobius, who wrote:

At the winter solstice the sun would seem to be a little child, like that which the Egyptians bring forth from a shrine on an appointed day, since the day is then at its shortest and the god is accordingly shown as a tiny infant. Afterward, however, as the days go on and lengthen, the sun at the spring equinox acquires strength in a way comparable to growth to adolescence, and so the god is given the appearance of a young man. Subsequently, he is represented in full maturity, with a beard, at the summer solstice, when the sun’s growth is completed. After that, the days shorten, as though with the approach of his old age—hence the fourth of the figures by which the god is portrayed.--Saturnalia 1.18.10.

Macrobius does not say which Egyptian sun-god is portrayed in these images. McCabe simply assumes it was Horus.

Jamdoc · Jul 4, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
lol… Man, the mental gymnastics you’ve got to do to justify your selective outrage is a level of cognitive dissonance I just can’t do. Listening to you, you acknowledge they are not allowed to buy ammo legally, but do quite easily, but it’s ok (despite being illegal), because people buy ammo without needing it all the time and what could possibly go wrong? And sure, they can have the ammo they got illegally, and you admit they can get the guns easily from their parents or theft, or by having it shipped to them, but none of those failures that can and do result in people dying has to do with gun regulation failures…

But then you decide to get big mad about porn and not acknowledge you’re wanting to make it harder to access that then guns, which kill people… Insert a rant about morality here, and selective outrage is alive and well. lol!

You can buy ammo legally, I never said you couldn't. The restrictions are on firearms, not accessories or ammo.

I'm saying you moved goalposts, somehow arguing that porn is more restricted than firearms cause liberals believe everything that's in CNN headlines or whatever. I said no, firearms are more restricted than pornography even under these verification laws, and you say "well they can buy ammo!"
They still have more hurdles to jump over or laws to break, in order to shoot that ammo, than viewing porn, because they need a gun to do so, and the gun involves background checks, which of course, also involves checking legal age.

and yet somehow you think that being able to buy ammo easily means that porn is more restricted than firearms.

You've watched too much porn.

Brightfame52 · Jul 4, 2025

Akita Suggagaki said:
All this is irrelevant to the choices we face each day.

The only choices you make are the ones God ordained for you to make when He made a choice for you to take your next breath.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2025

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Incorporating drug use into people and society has been another way to get and keep people dependent on government.

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