Tropical Wilds said:

Again, it depends. If I say "please file these papers" and my coworker flashes me the "Ok" symbol, life goes on and all is well. If I am protesting outside of an area housing black persons and I'm saying incendiary things while flashing the "Ok" symbol, no, it is not. If I'm Since I know that the "Ok" symbol is used as a dog whistle to racist intimidation, I'm certainly not going to flash it to a person of color or Muslim person when they say something I agree with.

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You can't get away from proving my point.

You know that black people also traditionally use the "okay" sign, right?

If it's suddenly not okay to use the okay symbol to black people, that proves my point.

RDKirk said:

There are actually black people around me saying that.

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I never, ever in my entire life, with all the people of color I've met, in all the places I have been, have ever once met a person who said simply wearing a cross is racist. Given the role of the black church in America and the fact that a significantly higher percentage black Americans identify as some version of Christian vs white people (70% of black Americans identify as some form of Christian vs only 56% of white Americans as of 2023 and black conversion to Christianity is increasing while white American is in a freefall), it defies logic and common sense to make that as a claim.

Something tells me that like what you're doing with me and the American flag where you've invented a narrative for me, one person said something completely different and you just developed a different narrative and ran with it as the standard for all. I suspect it was more something like wearing the iron cross or the Celtic cross or blood cross makes people question the motivations of the wearer, not all crosses.

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In Trump’s first term he also decided not to prosecute Hilary even though the facts warranted it

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Trump's DOJ decided they didn't. "No reasonable prosecutor" would attempt to try the case.

But under Trump 2.0, we have plenty of unreasonable prosecutors. Maybe we'll see how many times Pirro can get a grand jury to no true bill the case.

All we need now is have every city in America occupied by the military, and then we'll all be safe. Nothing safer than a literal police state.

-CryptoLutheran

rambot said:

It's great to rag on democrats right now....with all the power they have.


How popular is Trump doing now, by rhe way? Are his policies being people into the republican fold?

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Trying to understand how that relates to my question

RDKirk said:

So, the "okay" sign is okay to use.

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Again, it depends. If I say "please file these papers" and my coworker flashes me the "Ok" symbol, life goes on and all is well. If I am protesting outside of an area housing black persons and I'm saying incendiary things while flashing the "Ok" symbol, no, it is not. Since I know that the "Ok" symbol is used as a dog whistle to racist intimidation, I'm certainly not going to flash it to a person of color or Muslim person when they say something I agree with. It may convey something I don't want to convey and is, understandably, something they'd probably be a bit alert to.

I get the whole "Ok" thing started as a joke/meme, but it has been used enough publicly in a way to convey real racism that I'm certainly going to think twice about how I use it and will notice it if it's used in a context that could convey a racist viewpoint.

Like, I'm at Disney and they aren't allowed to point when giving directions, so when they tell me that "fantasyland is over there" pointing with an open hand, thumb down, over their head, I'm going to know they're just pointing. A group of people do it standing for a photo op in front of an American flag doing it? I'm not going to think they're all pointing at something off-camera.

Always in His Presence said:

so's law is now applicable?

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"So's law" is only an excuse to avoid a good question if you have no answer for it.

Always in His Presence said:

Congrats to those two districts.

What did they do differently than what they doing on a national level?

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It's great to rag on democrats right now....with all the power they have.


How popular is Trump doing now, by rhe way? Are his policies being people into the republican fold?

RDKirk said:

It is absurd. But unless Tropical is going to rachet back her statement, that's what her statement means.

And in fact, that's what liberals in the US are precisely doing. That's why a person can't give the traditional "okay" hand sign anymore without being identified as a racist.

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I have nothing to ratchet back. You made a false assumption, said it was me, then expected me to justify the position you invented for me, and when I don't because it's not my viewpoint, you get all weird. You're arguing with yourself, not with me.

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@Tropical Wilds' statement removes it from context-dependence.

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No, it isn't. The comment was:

"This is one of many weaknesses of the left. They are so worried by the negative connotations of anything that it is far to easy to take things away from them. Be it political topics, symbols or just simple hand gestures like the OK sign, once it is used by a racist, it becomes politically incorrect to use, and anyone using it becomes suspect. No wonder the left alienates people."

My reply was:

"It’s not that we are worried about negative connotations and political correctness… It’s that when something becomes a thing used by racists to be racists, we don’t want to be lumped in with the racists.

We harken back to the time where doing things that racists did was entirely undesirable."

You have somehow twisted that to mean I always think the American flag is racist, which I don't and never claimed, and then blaming me for an opinion you invented me as having. I even said quite specifically "How some do so, yes, but that wasn’t what I was thinking of as an example. I don’t think ICE using American flags is an automatic display of racism." I had a flag under my mailbox, I have two Army stickers and an American flag on my car, I decorate my house with American flags on Memorial Day, July 4th, Veterans Day, September 11, and I used to for President's day. Obviously, I don't think all American flags are racist.

The original statement was the use of political topics, symbols, and gestures like the "Ok" becoming an expression of racism now means when we see it, we become suspectful of the intentions behind them. Up until recently, that just was common sense. I see somebody walking down the road in a white hood and a cloak, I don't say to myself "well they must really enjoy ghosts!" I have my guard up because that has been to known to mean a super specific, racist thing. It also means that when I was kimono shopping, I didn't pick the all-white one because I didn't want to give the appearance of somebody I don't wish to give the appearance of. I see somebody flying a confederate flag and an American flag, yes, I'm going to have suspicions that the US flag isn't being flown as a simple statement of US pride, but one of white pride, and it's why I don't buy a confederate flag shirt for my kid when I'm in Gettysburg.

Frankly, you're arguing about nonsense because the point of these groups adopting some of these symbols and gestures is specifically to convey racist principles. They want those symbols to mean those things. Acknowledging that those symbols can and are used that way by specific design is the point they're trying to make. They want to identify like-minded people and as non-like-minded people who don't want to be associated with racists, obviously displaying those symbols will be less-than-desirable.

Bradskii said:

Which is another absurd concept. One I'd never heard of actually). But just because a few people hold to a particular absurd position doesn't make it any less absurd.

It's like saying that wearing a cross around your neck is racist because the KKK used to burn them symbolically.

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There are actually black people around me saying that.

Always in His Presence said:

The fixation on Trump to the point that some are saying he going to run again is so much of a detractor that people are getting tired of the vitriol.

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We'll wait and see.

Tropical Wilds said:

There are plenty of other ways to read it and understand it, actually… The way I meant it might me a good way to start.

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So, the "okay" sign is okay to use.

Yarddog said:

They weren't allowed to carry weapons until this last weekend.

Where they are present, National Monuments, Capital building, Federal facilities.

I agree but wouldn't it have been better if Congress hadn't stripped the Metro government of a billion dollars? They have been pleading for the money to add over 500 police officers to the force. That would make a permanent difference, instead of a temporary one.

I agree.

And then all returns to the way that it was, though crime has been dropping over the past few years.

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Maybe they need to get a Chief of police that knows something about police work

DC Police Chief Pamela Smithfaced public criticism and ridicule after a video emerged showing her appearing unable to answer a reporter's question about the chain of command in the context of the recent federal takeover of her department, with a reporter quoted asking "Do you know what the chain of command is now?" and Smith reportedly responding, "What does that mean?". Critics, including news commentators, labeled her statement as concerning and indicative of a lack of understanding of fundamental policing concepts.

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Hi
Why speculate on something no-one can answer

Love and Peace
Dave

Pro life and believe Roe v Wade should have remained. There were social conditions it kept in balance. Preaching pro life would save more lives & reduce abortion in the long run.

Platte said:

I didn't know demons had DNA

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At the risk of going on a tangent, how do you suppose that the Nephilim material/traits/whatever pass from the Ark to offspring? Logic would say that in that scenario it would have to be genetic. I suppose that perhaps your belief is that the Nephilim are not demons/demonic, if that is the case then what are they, in your view? The only scripture that speaks of them pre-flood heavily implies that they are some sort of hybrid, which must be passed down somehow, in your theory. If there is no angelic/demonic/whatever DNA then it would just be normal human DNA passing from the inhabitants of the Ark.

Oompa Loompa said:

By the way, I am glad to hear that you find the UK's policies on free speech to be absurd. I agree.

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I find your interpretation of it to be absurd, right up there with saying January 6th was no more than a tour group. This is not an issue of free speech, however, but of behaving in a way consistent with inciting public discord. Free speech does not cover that.

If he was simply arrested for yelling “I love bacon,” yes, it would be absurd. I fully agree. He was not, though. He was at a religious facility and a place that was housing migrants who have as many rights to be in that country as he does yelling deliberately provocative things to harass and intimidate in an increasingly hostile crowd in an area of unrest and he was warned more than a dozen times to knock it off, but didn’t.

As the kids say, he fiddled around and found out.

Yarddog said:

They say a group called Crown Heights Bites Back, is responsible for the violence.

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This is correct.

Tensions flare in Crown Heights as extremist group targets ‘zionist white supremacists’ over 1991 incident

Crown Heights Bites Back held a vigil to commemorate the killing of a Black child that sparked antisemitic riots.

Around 20 masked activists stood on a street corner Tuesday night in Crown Heights, distributing fliers accusing “zionist white supremacists” of murdering a child whose accidental death sparked antisemitic violence in the neighborhood in 1991.

Their audience featured both counter-protesters drawn from the Chabad Lubavitch movement they targeted and security officials charged with keeping the peace.

Local officials had denounced the rally planned by a group called Crown Heights Bites Back as antisemitic. The group announced itself earlier this year and has promoted mutual aid efforts and pro-Palestinian protests as well as advocacy against local Jews, including those affiliated with the Chabad Lubavitch movement that is based in the neighborhood.

Crown Heights Bites Back, which also praised the shooting of two Israeli embassy staffers in May and has distributed flyers accusing Hasidic Jews of landlord abuse, framed its vigil as a call for justice, but some Jewish spectators saw it as an attempt to provoke conflict.

The group also participated in the anti-Israel protests that engulfed Crown Heights in April following far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir’s visit to Chabad’s headquarters at 770 Eastern Parkway.


From the groups website:

We are CROWN HEIGHTS BITES BACK! We are a Crown Heights-based, African and Indigenous-led revolutionary collective resisting state repression and providing food, clothing, safety, and political education to our neighbors. We are forging networks of community support and survival and building a society where people are free from capitalist exploitation and coercion. Our community programs: Mutual Aid, Political Education, and Direct Action, set the necessary conditions for the struggle against colonialism, which is at the heart of our frustration and dispossession.

We are dedicated to an anti-capitalist, anti-slavery, anti-racist, anti-misogynist, anti-zionist, anti-liberal, anti-ableist, anti-imperialist, internationalist, decolonial, abolitionist, and Marxist-Leninist analysis. We promote African and Indigenous self-determination, land back, the right of any colonized people to resist their colonizer, and collective liberation through acts of force.

We believe in the revolutionary power and self-governing capabilities of the masses, and aim to facilitate programs related to eviction defense, ICE and pig watch, de-arrest, appropriation of resources, or any other tactic necessary for colonized communities to defend themselves.

1. we have zero tolerance for anti-blackness.
2. we do not welcome racists, zionists, or liberals.
3. we do not welcome misogynists, transphobes, or homophobes.
4. we do not welcome sex-pests, abusers, or over-fraternization.
5. we do not welcome academic chauvinists or teachers’-pets.
6. we do not welcome settler-chauvinists or crakkker communists who reject land-back or indigenous demands.
7. we are not a debate club, we do not engage with persistent or combative participants.
8. we entertain zero state department propaganda or any propaganda from the empire.
9. we reserve the right to remove anyone else who the collective deems suspicious, reactionary, federal, or otherwise annoying.

timewerx said:

Perhaps in Romania. But the rest of the world is not like Romania.

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It's everywhere in the world.

We're actually the least corrupted out of other countries.

timewerx said:

Jesus and His disciples often stayed in other people's houses and often dealt with people personally. Apostle Paul did the same.

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Yes, it was their mission. When your mission is to increase faith, you have to go where is the least faith. It wouldn't have made much sense if Jesus only stayed with the Pharisees, would it?

timewerx said:

Is the "Spirit" you're listening to telling you to do the opposite of what the ministry of Christ is doing? To physically isolate/distance yourself from other people?

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I stay away from sin, as per the bible. I stay away at my own judgement, and the spirit guides me, yes. People, places where evil things occurred, I can feel it. When you feel ill of something, you do not go near it. It's biology.
Now, evils make me sick, literally. I took as a directive from God when it occurs to not do it. Surprisingly (to you), all the things that I've been told to avoid, is exactly what the bible tells to avoid. Curious isn't it?

rjs330 said:

Thats because left wingers like ANTIFA.

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No, no one, including the area Jewish community. They say a group called Crown Heights Bites Back, is responsible for the violence. They are called an anti-Semitic fringe element, which sounds more far right than far left. Antifa says that they are antifascists not anti-Semitic.

“I’m the president of the United States. If I think our country is in danger — and it is in danger in these cities — I can do it.”

@a televised cabinet meeting on August 26, 2025:

“You have a guy in Illinois, the governor of Illinois, saying that crime has been much better in Chicago recently and Trump is a dictator,” Mr. Trump said. “Most people are saying, ‘If you call him a dictator, if he stops crime, he can be whatever he wants’ — I am not a dictator, by the way.”

About half an hour later, Mr. Trump said that he “would have much more respect for Pritzker” if the governor approved a National Guard deployment in his state.

“Not that I don’t have — I would — the right to do anything I want to do,” Mr. Trump said. “I’m the president of the United States. If I think our country is in danger — and it is in danger in these cities — I can do it.”