joechristianwarrior said:

I know many Christians are hesitant to connect "following Jesus" with what's often called "social justice". But I believe there's compelling biblical support - even in passages like Micah 6:8 - that following Jesus compels us to pursue justice, including in societal forms.

What do you think - does Scripture call us to systemic justice, or is the focus primarily on individual devotion?

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It starts with individual justice and it is individuals who determine how just systems will be.
Isaiah 26:2 Open the gates that the righteous nation may enter, the nation that keeps faith.

If nothing else, the Torah speaks of such justice. And Jesus takes up the theme by identification with the lowly, oppressed and impoverished.

Matthew 8:20 “The foxes have holes and the birds of the heaven have nests, but the Son of Man does not have a place where He may lay His head”.

BeckyJ said:

What's God's opinion on being in a christian forum?
What does God say about being in a christian forum if you're an atheist?

I mean, we could come up with a long list of these type of questions if ya think about it.

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Right, it’s all irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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Pommer said:

Why is there a need for “sides”, though?

I’m sure that for most people this is not an issue for which they’ll trouble themselves to form an opinion over one way or t’other.

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People.... Cracker Barrel is all about the sides.

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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A Company decided to change its logo.
Some have chosen to make this change an issue to “fight” about; I wish them well, it’ll certainly be entertaining (probably), for a few days (until something else comes along to wrangle over).
I’m going to eschew this one though, what that says about me, I dunno, but there’ll be other things I’ll weigh in on.

Enjoy the battles you* pick!

*generic

BeckyJ said:

It's a Christian Forum, so God will be brought into some things eventually

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What’s God’s opinion on the logo/decor update?

BeckyJ said:

There's usually sides.
Even God has "sides".
Does a person want to go to Heaven or Hell?
If a person doesn't meet His requirement which is on one side, then they are basically choosing the other side.

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That escalated quickly.

essentialsaltes said:

That's a firing.

Hegseth fires general whose agency’s intel assessment of damage from Iran strikes angered Trump​

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has fired a general whose agency’s initial intelligence assessment of U.S. damage to Iranian nuclear sites angered President Donald Trump, according to two people familiar with the decision and a White House official.

[And of course he fired the BLS head for bad jobs numbers.]

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Apparently, if one heads an information sector of a department or agency and one’s data conflicts with the pronouncements of the President, it’s obvious that one’s data is “incorrect”.

This state of affairs always ends well.

BeckyJ said:

Not a "one upper", just showing there is no room for either side to complain really.
Some will like the changes, the rest of us won't.

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Why is there a need for “sides”, though?

I’m sure that for most people this is not an issue for which they’ll trouble themselves to form an opinion over one way or t’other.

Apple Sky said:

Because if they did we are here.

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Really insignificant.

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Mankind is the pinnacle of God's creation, so quite the opposite of insignificant. God created this amazing, expansive cosmos filled with galaxies full of stars so that we can be in awe of our creator, and also humbled, knowing that we are made above all of this.

Yarddog said:

God paid the debt for man's sin.

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The debt Jesus paid was required by God's justice, which debt Jesus paid and which justice Jesus satisfied.

There are variations of thought as to what Jesus did for those three days. Most do believe he went to Abrahm's Bosom. To the thief on the cross, Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise, a reference to where the OT saints were being kept. When Jesus led captivity captive he broke these saints out of paradise and they went to heaven.

A case by some is is made that Jesus went to Tartarus, another compartment in hell. the idea that he went to more than one compartment of hell is found from Psalm 63:9 “But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.”

This teaching and following quote is based on teaching by Bob Yandian. The Lower Parts of the Earth — Bob Yandian Ministries

"II Peter 2:4 “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment…”

The word for “hell” in this verse is “Tartarus.” II Peter 2:4 is the only scripture in the New Testament where “Tartarus” is found. This is the place where the fallen angels were cast and are presently bound in chains and are in darkness, waiting for the day of judgment.

Jude 6 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

I Peter 3:19 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison.” Jesus went into all three compartments under the earth. “Spirits in prison” in I Peter 3:19 is not a reference to human spirits. When a reference is being made to human spirits the terms “spirits of just men” or “spirits of wicked men” are used. But when “spirits” appears alone, it is a reference to the angels that fell and left their first estate. These are the angels that are bound in Tartarus."

So the three parts of the lower regions are said to be Abraham's bosom, Tarturus, and Hades, the place that the rich man went and saw Abraham in the next compartment. Even in this teaching, it is not too clear to me why Jesus would have gone to this part called hades.

Some only see two parts of hell but Tarturus seems to indicate a third compartment. That Jesus went to all three is likely the most controversial idea. I think most think only Abraham's bosom. But what were the spirits he preached too if only Abraham's bosom? Regardless, I am certain that all the prophecies were fulfilled and that Jesus conquered over all of hell and did everything that was needed.

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Most definitely. God’s creation is indeed grand.

Dan Perez said:

There are no lost 10 LOST TRIBES and no one has yet. has a verse of proof !!

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Jesus said: I am sent to only to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
The House of Judah is the Jewish people; only 2 tribes separated from the 10 Tribes of Israel. It is wrong for Jews to call themselves Israel.

Jesus' Mission WAS successful and we Christians are the result. WE are the true Israelites of God, Galatians 6:14-16

Valletta said:

I looked it up myself, it turned out to be the FBI, my highlighting:

"During a Dec. 1, 2022 traffic stop by a Tennessee Highway Patrol officer, Abrego García was found to be transporting eight passengers across the country, sources told the Tennessee Star. He allegedly did not have a valid driver’s license and was suspected of trafficking the passengers but was let go at the request of the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

Department Of Homeland Security Confirms Abrego García Stopped On Suspicion Of Human Trafficking

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) confirmed to the Daily Caller that Kilmar Abrego García was stopped in Dec. 2022 on suspicion of human trafficking.

dailycaller.com

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This does confirm FBI was contacted during the traffic stop but gives no reason why they requested THP let everyone in the car go. The FBI is not “Biden people” by the way.

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