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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

But how does it support the claims of ancient technology and lost knowledge?
By archeologists acknowledging that sophisticated, social and religious cultures existed way earlier than we thought.
Which other GT have been named?
Just within eastern Turkey there are suppose to be at least 20 GT yet to be unearthed. They are usually in the form of a mound, hense GT was known as Pot belly hill. there are many and tests have intitially found evidence. But even GT itself is only around 1/10th discovered. Its pretty big.

Other sites similar to Göbekli Tepe include Çatalhöyük, Karahan Tepe and Nevalı Çori, Taş Tepeler in Turkey. Also Malta's Megalithic Temples and Caral-Supe and other sites in the Americas including Peru.

We know that modern humans have existed for perhaps 300k years. People's existence by itself is not strange.
But if we were around for 300K and our brains were more or less the same then it seems unreal that it took us so long to invent stuff. How do we know we have not already gained certain knowledge only to lose it and start again. At least in sections of the planet.

If civilisation was concentrated around certain areas that also suffered catastrophe then it makes sense that over 300,000 years we have had big changes to the earths climate, or disasters, earth quakes, floods, ect. We have the mass extinction event of Mega Forna only around 12,000 years ago which would have wiped out humans as well.
Let's excavate it before it is used as evidence of anything.
Hum we already have sort of. Petrie found it and so did others. I agree lets escavate it as its one of the last great treatsures of the Egyptians. Thats unless we find something under the Gixa pyramids in the meantime lol.

Discovery of secret tunnels below Egypt's Giza pyramids linked to forgotten underworld

But not evidence for ancient technology or lost knowledge. Do you have a reference for the timeframe? The stones seem to be of roman origin.
Yes the temple of Venus that sits on top of the megalith foundations which were already there and from an earlier time. Other large megalth blocks such as the 'Pregnant Women' which weights 1200 ton and another 1500 ton are still in the ground.

The tech knowledge comes in the form of being able to cut and move such massive blocks so early in time. Even the Romans could not move these mega blocks of granite.

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Which most believe it's a natural formation.
Since when did nature create near perfect stairs.

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There is disagreement and scientists also think it man made. It resembles other prehistory megaliths and signatures like this at Mount Nokogiri Japan. Its very similar to other sites like Sayhuite, Peru.

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A lead Yonaguni expert Dr Kimura presented at the 11th Annual Symposium on Maritime Archaeology and History of Hawaii and the Pacific , they found quarry marks all over, the loop road that winds around the bottom just like the other quarries with over 150 dives, Kimura has studied the site more extensively.

By the way, how do you think they cut the sharp edges on the cliff faces up so high. Some 200 feet abover the ground. Was that a hand saw. Did they pound and rub them into existence.
How is volcanic glass hinting at a metallurgical precursor?
I think they mean that the blade was as sharp as a metal surgical blade. So a non metal precusor to a very sharp cutting tool. I think the real point is that its 12,000 years old.
Expertly balanced? What is the meaning of that?
Ah they mean they work lol. They can be thrown to catch prey and not go sideways or lose direction when thrown through the air lol.
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Are you sure about the timeframe?
Seems so
What are the connections to ancient technology and lost knowledge? There are archeological traces of hominids predating modern humans. That is not enough.
No that if humans were building wooden shelters near 500,000 years ago it would be no surprise that they have developed some advanced knowledge along the way and then lost it. Probably more than once. Or in certain places throughout time.

The chances of humans gaoing all sorts of knowledge that we don't even understand seems great considering we have only developed our advanced knowledge in the last 5,000 years.

Especially knowledge in our recent past around 8,000 to 14,000 years ago with the megaliths and out of place works that speak of a peak in knowledge that more or less dissappear fairly suddenly.

How most cultures speak of this as advanced knowledge lost from the gods. No to say that this is from the gods but that it was a higher and deeper knowledge of nature and reality that allowed them to achieve such great works.
Empirical, based on experience. It is the normal way to learn. What do you mean?
No experience itself is subjective, You experience something about what it is like to experience that something lol. It has to be qualified or rather quantified. That is science. Its using sense data and applying it to a quantified measure according to an assumption and the empirical evidence that comes from experiemnets ect.

But if you notice the initial phenomena of the world and reality is experiencential. Experiences immersed in reality. So science is trying to detach itself from this 1st person experience to then quantify whats happening according to a prior assumption that its fundementally naturalistic.

Science (methological naturalism) will only look for and count the naturalistic (phyical and observable) causes. Science has to remove the subject from the equation to be able to do its work.

Yet experience is really a subjective phenomena and we can gain knowledge of reality directly through experiencing it which cannot be measures quantitatively. Is not material or physical. So already science omits a large chunk of possibility as a non cause.

It is this experiential knowledge that I think is related to the ancients and how they were immersed in nature and by extention reality in the 1st person. So they were able to gain knowledge of reality through direct experiences. Which enabled them to understand some of its secrets to be able to manipulate it. Or understand ways in how nature itself worked and utilised it.

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Heating up down under

If you really wanted to have a conversation, you wouldn't keep producing gish gallops. You're trying to win by posting walls of text (a lot of which appears to just be cut and paste) no one would want to deal with. It's an immature tactic.
You throw around a cluster-bomb of cheap accusations, line after line of them, with NO attempt to back them up with credible sources. Like cluster-bombs that are cheap and easy to deploy, people googling random stuff might read them years later - and be convinced by one of these deceptive MAGA-memes. Each line takes several paragraphs to answer sufficiently, but then YOU spank me for having to do due diligence? When you have not shown due diligence in any of your cheap assertions ONCE yet? Yet you accuse ME of using a Gish Gallop and being immature! Nice! ;) I at least try to do DUE DILIGENCE before posting to you!

Then to top it all off - most of these are the SAME MEMES we've already addressed.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt thanks.

So we'll just deal with one at a time - because this is a BIG, DEEP conversation for ADULTS WHO READ STUFF.

Like, "Climate's changed before you know? It's natural. It always changes!"​


That's in the top 10 denial hymns of all time - did you know that?
But it's especially trite - and cheap - and annoying - because the person asserting it just ASSUMES they know better than the climatologists! As if climatologist don't KNOW this!?? Do you have any idea how it comes across that YOU think you can sneer at a whole, huge discipline of science like this - without knowing how utterly uninformed the very assertion is? It's almost like saying "If the world were round, why wouldn't people fall off the bottom?"

Today's climate models RELY on knowing HOW and WHY the climate has changed before. It's also essential to model what might happen from here - HOW DANGEROUS climate change might be.

HOW?
WHY?
HOW DANGEROUS!?

Can it get more fundamental than that? THAT THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED BEFORE IS CLIMATE 101!!!

This includes studying ancient paleoclimate data measured and studied through temperature proxies left in the earth's crust.

To break it down:-

1. They start with the basic physics.
The repeatable, demonstrable physics of how CO2 traps heat. Do a little maths and we're trapping 4 Hiroshima bombs of extra heat *every second* of every day.

2. But what does that MEAN!?
Can the biosphere take it? That's where paleoclimate comes in, as they are trying to measure the Climate Sensitivity. Temperature proxies are signs of the earth's average temperature that year left in the earth's crust. NOAA list them as:- "corals, pollen, ice cores, tree rings, caves, pack rat middens, ocean and lake sediments, and historical data. By analysing records taken from these and other proxy sources, scientists can extend our understanding of climate far beyond the instrumental record."
What Are Proxy Data?

After studying these proxies for decades, they have modelled both the temperatures and atmospheric content back to 1.2 MILLION years by checking the gases trapped in ice-core samples from Antarctica that are that old.
There are even older indicators of CO2 content in the fossil record. Ginko plants change the number of stomata they have based on the atmosphere. They're not as exact as ice-cores - but work to a certain extent. That takes us back to hundreds of millions of years for atmospheric proxies - along with temperature proxies in other stuff above.

Today's climate is fragile. The natural forcings are NOT major players in driving today's climate. The biggest player across the last few million years has been the Milankovitch cycles, wobbles in the earth's orbit and tilt that match up every 30,000 years to start an ice age. This is not due for tens of thousands of years.

The bottom line? KNOWING that the climate has changed before is a REQUIREMENT to estimate both today's climate SENSITIVITY, and the RISKS!

People who chant "The climate's changed before ya'all!" are just showing their ignorance of the basic story of climate science!
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

There should be any work being done. Until the get done with the shutdown. There's no excuses not to pass Obama care. If Trump can waste money on other countries, that he wants to bail out.
Private funds supposedly.
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U.S. Releases Video of Attack on Semi-Submersible and Sends Survivors Home

Sounds like a collection of right-wing talking points all right. But here is another angle: when those drug boats carry more than two people the rest are generally passengers being trafficked. Is it OK with you to blow them up too? Some might even be women and children, but are they evil enough for trying to get into the US to execute them, too?
Well actually you have no way of knowing that.
I was responding to someone who usually leans towards the liberal side suddenly blaming drug users for the drug problem.
Typically the left has been against going after users, leaning towards sentencing users to rehab and some even recommend legalizing drugs.
Why all of a sudden is the fentanyl problem the user's fault?
Many people who overdose don't even know that they are taking fentanyl
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

I am still trying to figure out how a 90,000 sq. Ft. structure fits on this end of the property. The White House is around 50,000 sq.ft. It will look miniature next to this behemoth. Any architects out there to make sense of this?
Who’s going to care what it looks like once ‘they’ ban the hoi polloi from D.C.?
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Teens Who Savagely Attacked Well-Known DOGE Staffer Avoid Jail Time

My understanding is that the OP was about two specific individuals’ dispositions and might have “just been there” rather than actively participating in the crime(s).

Why is it “bad” to treat different defendants differently?
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Take a stand on political violence

Actually the left has been more violent recently, but that said, all political violence is wrong.

"Political violence from left-wing extremists exceeded attacks from right-wing extremists in the first half of 2025, according to a study from the bipartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The study found five domestic terror attacks were committed by left-wing perpetrators from Jan. 1 to July 4, compared with just one — the murder of Minnesota state legislator Melissa Hortman and her husband — by right-wing perpetrators during that same period."

So, your take on this is that only extremists are violent. Interesting. I associate "extremists" with individuals who are deeply committed to changing matters forcefully and who are involved in thinking and planning how to proceed. Individuals, whose daily focus revolve around this. I think of extremist as very similar to activist.

From that perspective there is a large amount of political violence that can occur from the non-extremist, on both sides of the fence. That would account for very many more incidents that the number present in your smaller extremist Venn diagram, potentially distorting the validity of your conclusion.
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U.S. Releases Video of Attack on Semi-Submersible and Sends Survivors Home

Where does this go?
Americans should just stop using drugs then the drug problem would go away
People should stop coming here illegally then we wouldn't have to worry about how ICE treats them
Single women should stop having children then we could pay less welfare and crime would go down
Obese people should just diet and exercise
Etc...
Sounds like a collection of right-wing talking points all right. But here is another angle: when those drug boats carry more than two people the rest are generally passengers being trafficked. Is it OK with you to blow them up too? Some might even be women and children, but are they evil enough for trying to get into the US to execute them, too?
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Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

The past is not coming back; both Jews and Palestinians will remain in the land. They must accept reality and find a way to coexist.
Good luck with that, but the first thing we have to do is understand where the Palestinians are coming from with this.
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

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Demolition crews have begun tearing down part of the White House to build President Donald Trump’s long-desired ballroom despite his pledge that construction of the $250 million addition wouldn’t “interfere” with the existing building.

Construction teams Monday were demolishing a portion of the East Wing, with a backhoe ripping through the structure, according to a photo shared with The Washington Post and two people who witnessed the activity and spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it.

“It won’t interfere with the current building. It won’t be. It’ll be near it but not touching it — and pays total respect to the existing building, which I’m the biggest fan of," Trump said during an executive order signing in July.
I am still trying to figure out how a 90,000 sq. Ft. structure fits on this end of the property. The White House is around 50,000 sq.ft. It will look miniature next to this behemoth. Any architects out there to make sense of this?
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Another look at the moon landing.

Charles became a Christian, after he went to and walked on, the moon.


Yes. Your answer is .........?

Kenneth Copeland believes in Jesus and teaches Jesus.
He is not correct when he teaches the prosperity Gospel, but that does not mean he lies about Jesus being his Saviour.

If Charles Duke is lying when he says "I walked on the moon", then he is also lying when he says that writes about Jesus, his Saviour and says that meeting Jesus was the best part of his life.

Why?
Charles either lied about walking in the moon and is lying about Jesus - in which case you'd expect God to punish him.
Or he is telling the truth about both.


Have you heard Charles' testimony - of how he was going through a difficult time with trouble in his marriage, and then he met Jesus? They had been a "religious" family for a while, but they didn't know Jesus. In 1975 his wife was on the verge of suicide.
Watch it, if you dare.
Login to view embedded media If you can't bear to watch the factual stuff about the moon, start it at 31 minutes in.

Even @Apple Sky has watched it, said that she honestly believed it and it briefly changed her life. (Until she changed her mind again.)

We are not talking about a one time, off the cuff lie to try to impress a friend or get out of a difficult situation. We are talking about a public testimony and Christian preaching ministry. He has been, and maybe still is, invited to churches. It's possible that unbelievers come to Christ when they hear his testimony.

When Charles heard the words, "Jesus said 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except by me'," he said to himself, "either that's the truth or the biggest con in history".
What do you say - was he lying?
Strong in him yes me have watched the video of Charlie Duke some months ago. As far as I know Charlie had always been church oriented and than he had some type of born again experience along with his wife. As to Kenneth Copland being a Christian . I just roll my eyes. I mean he’s been milking and fleecing the Lords people like forever. One thing you be right about is the falseness of the prosperity gospel. Yet you still claim Kenneth be a Christian. We again disagree. And as to Charlie Duke.. Strong in him you seem infatuated with this guy you seem determined to have your way with me and anyone else who disagrees. Come the year 2027 and if the coming space flight to the moon is postponed again for a number of years . I’ll be calling the whole lot of them liars . Ok. Now me must prepare for the new day . God bless until our next chat
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Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

A past that was stolen from them.

The past is not coming back; both Jews and Palestinians will remain in the land. They must accept reality and find a way to coexist.
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Leviticus 20, Charlie Kirk, and Homosexuality

"The Pharisees" certainly did accuse Jesus of breaking laws with respect to the Sabbath, but the law He was flouting was the halakah. You were saying that Jesus was breaking the Torah law on stoning adultress', which there is nothing in the text to think anyone but you made that claim. Jesus certainly showed mercy, but the law of the Pharisees(that is the halakah) has no bearing on the issue. It is purely a matter of Torah observance in what is required to levy an accusation that carried the death penalty.

Something else to keep in mind is that Jesus wasn't an outsider challenging the Pharisees, but was a part of the internal debates that were happening in Judaism in His day. Properly speaking, Jesus probably belonged to the Pharisees given His alignment with them on key issues like the scope of Scripture and the reality of the resurrection.

When we think about issues like mercy and fair trials and such we have to be careful not to import modern values into the text if our goal is to let the Bible be our basis.
Thanks for sharing.
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The Economist: Trump's approval rating crashes!

I conducted a poll in my household and Trump's approval rating was 110% with a 5% margin of error.
I did, too. The cat is still undecided, which seems ungrateful to the man who kept Hatians from eating him.
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