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Bolton has been Mar a Lago'd!

I'm unsure about the appropriate terminology. I am not a supporter of President Trump, nor am I affiliated with the Republican party or the MAGA movement.

Based on my observations, when President Trump is referred to as a dictator, individuals who identify with the MAGA movement typically show no interest in engaging with the speaker's perspective.

If your objective is to preserve democratic processes, it may be important to gain support from some supporters of President Trump. This requires using language that is considerate of their perspectives and encouraging cooperation toward shared goals.
It appears to me that there is no language other than praise that can be used to discuss President Trump. This makes discussion of reality nearly impossible.

A challenge in contemporary politics is the frequent use of terms such as Marxism, Nazism, fascist, socialist, authoritarian, dictator, communist, racist. These words have become less precise over time, and are often used more as rhetorical devices than for their original definitions. Using these words only creates hostility and defensiveness, making open-minded debate with our intended audience more difficult.
And if I forgo these descriptive terms and simply list the concerning actions, that also triggers a shutdown:

...But when a liberal starts spouting off all negative, to the conservative, it sounds like Chinese - we disagree, and don't even want to hear it...
You agreed with the above quote, so how can the authoritarian things Trump does be discussed - praise him for deploying the military on civilians? Praise him for purging the top brass? Praise him for employing clearly unqualified people such as Hegseth, RFK Jr, Alina Habba, Kash Petal, Tulsi Gabbard while firing career professional? Seems the only discussion to be had under these conditions, eerily reminiscent of Soviet days in the Soviet Union, are deeply ironic ones.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

Psst - the US is NOT a Democracy - it is a Constitutional Republic - it really makes your argument look bad and ill-informed if you cannot get the basics correct.

Get your facts straight.
If the US is not a democracy, then why would it matter if, as you claim, Newsom "pushed back against democracy"? You can't have it both ways.
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My Star of Bethlehem Challenge

For the record, I find it difficult that a comet, conjunction, or supernova can lead someone to a specific street address; let alone disappear then reappear.

In addition, I don't think comets and planetary conjunctions last two years.

Hale-Bopp did, however, last 18 months; but didn't act like the Star of Bethlehem did.
The planetary conjunction may have told them that a Messiah king was born in Israel. The conjunction finished, and they asked directions. Bethlehem was a very small place, and a GPS angel gave them pinpoint directions. It didn’t even need to be an angel; maybe only a ball of light that only they could see. Whatever it was they saw, it didn’t seem to lead anybody else to the Holy Family. God would not have wanted Herod and his bunch to find Jesus.
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It’s a Task Interpreting Job

I have an issue with a common interpretation of Job. It is often taught that God carried out Job's "captivity."
God did not carry out Job's "captivity," God permitted Job's "captivity" to test his faith.
One such passage used to promote this idea is found in chapter 42.

Job 42:
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

I suggest that this is an accurate statement of why these people acted in this manner, not a statement of fact regarding who brought Job his troubles. They thought God perpetrated this evil, but they were wrong. God did not carry out the evil.

There is a true story about a man who was convicted of killing his wife and sent to prison for 25 years. But he really did not do it. The rest of the movie is about the long struggle to prove his innocence and how he got released. The newspaper headline read:

"Mr. Smith gets 25 Years for the Murder of His Wife"

It is true that he got 25 years, but it is not true that he murdered his wife.

So too Job's friends and relatives thought God had directly afflicted Job. But they were wrong.

Throughout the book, people make statements attributing actions to God. This revealed the error of their hearts and beliefs, and it was not the actual truth.

Take, for instance, the several statements made by Job's servants.

Job 1:
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job's wife also thought God was the source of Job's troubles, and called on him to curse God:

Job 2:9
9. Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? Curse God, and die.


Two verses before, we see the true perpetrator:

Job 2:
7. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

History has come full circle - Gaza has become the 21stC version of the "WARSAW GHETTO"and the deaths of almost 60,000 Palestinians, primarily women and children combined with a policy of mass starvation is Netanyahu's version of the "HOLOCAUST!"

Meanwhile, Holocaust comparisons seem to be socially acceptable again, even in connection with Israel's actions in Gaza, of all places.

Your comparison is not only ignorant of history. It is malicious. Because it insinuates that Israel, the state of Holocaust survivors, the refuge for the Jewish people, is acting today as the Nazis once did. It is a perfidious reversal of all the facts: the state that is defending itself against a murderous terrorist organization is equated with the greatest extermination regime in history.

Such a comparison is not an opinion. It is an accelerant. It relativizes the industrial murder in the gas chambers. It puts targeted military operations, however harsh they may be, on a par with the systematic extermination of an entire people. And it opens the door to a new wave of anti-Semitism, which today no longer reveals itself as such, but disguises itself under the cloak of human rights.

The Gaza Strip is not a walled ghetto, but a territory ruled by Hamas that has repeatedly become a base for terrorism against Israel. Israel withdrew completely in 2005 and received rockets instead of peace.

It is inhumane when a state is forced to destroy underground terrorist systems in the middle of schools and has to justify itself morally while its opponents abuse people as human shields. It is inhumane when a terrorist organisation exploits its own population as a propaganda weapon.

Anyone who draws a comparison between Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza is mocking the dead of Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen and Majdanek. They are insulting the survivors and also insulting those who are risking their lives in the war against Hamas to protect their people.

There is no genocide taking place in Gaza. The population has been growing for decades. And although innocent people are dying at the moment, the figures give no indication that Palestinians are being killed on a scale that amounts to decimation or extermination.

Furthermore, Gaza is not only sealed off by Israel, but also by Egypt. Cairo's role in the suffering in Gaza is generally underreported, but significant.

It is time to move away from these historical comparisons. They demonise and do not point the way to solutions.
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Bolton has been Mar a Lago'd!

Based on my observations, when President Trump is referred to as a dictator, individuals who identify with the MAGA movement typically show no interest in engaging with the speaker's perspective.
Based on my observations, individuals who identify with the MAGA movement typically show no interest in engaging with the perspective of anyone who they perceive as "liberal" or a "Democrat," regardless of what that person says.
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Now drink your lead and other poison.

CDC leaders ordered staff not to release their experts’ assessment showing the risk of catching measles is high in areas near outbreaks where vaccinations are lagging.

A CDC spokesperson told ProPublica the agency decided against releasing the assessment quote “because it does not say anything that the public doesn't already know.” [Next up hurricane warnings. What? People in the affected areas know it's windy out.]

As measles cases soared, Texas sought help from Trump’s CDC. No one answered

As measles surged in Texas early this year, the Trump administration’s actions sowed fear and confusion among Centers for Disease Control and Prevention scientists that kept them from performing the agency’s most critical function — emergency response — when it mattered most, an investigation from KFF Health News shows.

The outbreak soon became the worst the United States has endured in more than three decades.

In the month after Donald Trump took office, his administration interfered with CDC communications, stalled the federal agency’s reports, censored its data and abruptly laid off staff. In the chaos, agency experts felt restrained from talking openly with local public health workers, according to interviews with seven CDC officials with direct knowledge of events, as well as local health department emails obtained by KFF Health News through public records requests.

“All of us at CDC train for this moment, a massive outbreak,” one CDC researcher told KFF Health News, which agreed not to name CDC officials who fear retaliation for speaking with the press. “All this training and then we weren’t allowed to do anything.”

[Lubbock Public Health Director Katherine] Wells was anxious the moment she learned that two unvaccinated children hospitalized in late January had the measles. Hospitals are legally required to report measles cases to health departments and the CDC, but Wells worried many children weren’t getting tested.

“According to one of the women I spoke with 55 children were absent from one school on 1/24. The women reported that there were sick children with measles symptoms as early as November.”

In that email and others, Wells asked state health officials to put her in touch with CDC experts who could answer complicated questions on testing, how to care for infants exposed to measles, and more.

“CDC hasn’t reached out to us locally,” ... “My staff feels like we are out here all alone,” she added.

A child would die before CDC scientists contacted Wells.

Wells heard from CDC scientists for the first time the following day. Also that day, the CDC issued a brief notice on the outbreak. The notice recommended vaccines, but it worried public health specialists because it also promoted vitamin A as a treatment under medical supervision.

West Texas children treated for vitamin A toxicity as medical disinformation spreads alongside measles outbreak

Covenant Children’s Hospital in Lubbock confirms it is treating children with severe cases of measles who are also suffering from vitamin A toxicity. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. directed the CDC to update its measles guidance to promote the use of vitamin A.

Through private conversations, Benjamin learned that CDC experts were being diverted to remove information from websites to comply with executive orders.

“It’s not that the CDC was delinquent,” Benjamin said. “It’s that they had their hands tied behind their backs.”
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Settled spirit

I would like prayers for a settled spirit. I believe i have an unsettled one . I also have an aunt that wants to leave her husband and for him to stay gone. She wants a divorce from him and she just wants him to leave her alone. Shes done with him and wants to be done with the situation. Also, theres another person that wants to find love. I'm not sure if its within his family or with someone else, but love. Please and thank you.

Proof that The Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation are Happening Concurrently

Understandably, most people separate these judgements as being unrelated to one another due to the details highlighted in blue. But what if the blue text has a different purpose than just highlighting details that seem contradictory to each other when these visions are cross-analyzed?
You can't get the simple rapture timing correct, so I had little hope on this more complex issue tbh.

The Seals ARE NOT JUDGMENTS, why can't modern day people understand metaphors? God's Wrath is SEALED UP like a Message by a King was SEALED UP with three wax signet ring seals. no ne could read it until ALL THREE WAX SEALS were broken !! Get that Metaphor now guys?

Seals is God way of Jesus telling us I am opening up God's soon to come Wrath, but only when the 7th Seal is opened will that Wrath fall. Jesus, in heaven, amongst the pre trib. raptured church, open these seals, but its just metaphoric in nature. The first 5 tell about the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42 month reign of terror, he is also God's Wrath according to Isaiah 10:5-6. The 6th Seal is Jesus foretelling about God's 42 months of wrath that starts with the 1st Trump, hence the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8. In Rev. 7 that is the 1/3 of Israel who repents fleeing Judea, not 144,000. If 10 can mean the whole church as in 10 brides then 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 can mean Fulness x Completeness or All Israel who repent, the 1/3 of Zech. 13:8-9.

The 7th Seal brings 30 minutes of Silence, but why? Well, why is there silence at funerals? It repented God when He flooded the earth. This shows the angels of heaven take NO JOY in this coming Judgment. Then the Wrath or Judgment starts, and it is ONLY SEVEN (7) Trumpet Judgments, 14 nor 21 is a significant number with God but 7 = Divine Completeness.

Rev. 8:13 tells us VERY CLEARLY, the final three Trumps are the Three Woes !! Thus Trumps 1-4 is ONE ASTEROID IMPACT told in four phases but ONE EVENT. Fire burns trees in Trump #1 because as it breaks apart trees burn before the IMPACT. Trump #2 is THE IMPACT. Trump #3 is the FALLOUT that poisons the Fresh Waters in 1/3 of the World, the 1/3 designates the NEW WORLD is what is hit. Trump #4 is the Smoke turning the Sun and Moo DARK and FULFILLING the 6th Seal "Prophetic Uttering" by Jesus.

Trump #5 = the 1st Woe and lasts 5 months. Trump #6 = the 2nd Woe.

Trump #7 = the 3rd Woe, and all 7 Vials ARE the Third Woe. So, all of God's Wrath comes from the 7 Trumpet Judgments.
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6,000 Years?

Again. Genesis was written the same as the rest of the law (Torah)...and its not rhetorical.
There is nothing rhetorical about Exodus 20:4 or 25:18-22
What I was getting at is that the scriptures have to be read using the intelligence that God has given us. Exodus 20 and 25 directly contradict one another unless we use our critical thinking. Exodus 20 tells us to not make any images of anything in Heaven. Exodus 25 told the Hebrews to make images of angels for the Ark. Understanding the passages together literally is not possible.
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Trump hiding heavily-bruised hand with makeup

Trump seems to be in very poor health, physically and cognitively. It may be time for him to retire or it may be a temporary spate of bad health. We remain vigilante - he is the president and his health matters.
This is a ridiculous assertion. Point me to a post where you were equally as concerned about Biden’s physical and cognitive abilities and I will apologize for this post. There is no reasonable comparison on these issues to Trump and Biden.
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Trump's retribution guy at the Federal Housing Finance Agency

Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Guess who’s behind it

[Adam Schiff, Letitia James, and now Lisa Cook.]

What gets me, and should get you, is the flimsiness of these accusations despite how loudly they’ve been bruited about on the MAGA right as though they’re signals of profound moral turpitude on the part of the targets, and how they all originated in the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which is led by Trump acolyte and sycophant William J. Pulte, in private life a big homebuilder.

The important question, in the view of Adam Levitin of Georgetown Law, is who is driving these investigations and levying these accusations, and whether they reflect an “enemies list” Pulte has compiled on Donald Trump’s behalf. I asked the FHFA to respond to Levitin’s questions, but received no response.

...none of the public accusations from the FHFA specify what, if any, financial advantages were received by the targets.

And it’s unlikely that they’re the result of random audits of FHFA loans, as Levitin observed in relation to the Cook case.

“No one ever goes back and examines loan applications on performing loans for occupancy fraud; that would entail expenses for no benefit,” he wrote. “Instead, the only way anyone would have noticed a problem with Cook’s loan application is that Pulte, as head of FHFA, directed Fannie or Freddie to pull her application. That is unheard of.”

[In Schiff's case, we have an FHFA memo that says as much. The order came from one of the IGs Trump installed after firing most of them.]

The Fannie Mae memo says that the FHFA inspector general demanded “the loan file and any related investigative or quality control documentation, as well as all other loans associated with...Adam B. Schiff.”

The allegations against Schiff relate to his ownership of two homes, one in Burbank and the second in the Washington, D.C., area. But his dual ownership obviously was known to his mortgage lenders, and he has said that he took the homeowner’s property tax exemption only on the Burbank property.

[For James] In all but one of several documents, she stated that the niece would live in the house; according to her lawyer, on one form she said she’d be the occupant. But the bank could hardly have been misled, given the other documents. ... One form filed in 2001 regarding a Brooklyn brownstone bought for her family listed the property as having five units, but all the other pertinent forms stated correctly that it was four units. ... And in the 1983 purchase of house in Queens, New York, James’ father identified her as his spouse, not his daughter, on one form among others that identified her correctly.

Back in 2014, David H. Stevens, a former federal housing official then serving as CEO of the Mortgage Bankers Assn., told the Washington Post that the paper file for a standard mortgage had ballooned to 200-500 pages. “The likelihood of a minor defect is almost 100 percent,” he said. That reduces the significance of the errors Pulte claims to have found nearly to the vanishing point, especially given the paucity of evidence that Schiff, James or Cook got a financial benefit from any of them.

... the law is not concerned with insignificant trifles. In the Trump case, however, [the judge] declared that Trump and his fellow defendants saved tens of millions of dollars. “The frauds found here,” he wrote, “leap off the page and shock the conscience.”

Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

Oh look...a congressman, representing a district in Arizona, is introducing a bill to extend the "take overover" of D.C. to 6 months, citing "special conditons".

Say, who is representing the people of D.C.?

Under Washington’s Home Rule Act — which grants D.C. limited forms of self-governance — the president can take over the Metropolitan Police Department for up to 30 days if “special conditions of an emergency nature exist,” and the Senate and House must pass a joint resolution to extend that time frame any further. The bill, introduced Friday by Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Arizona), seeks to extend not only the current federal takeover from 30 days to roughly six months, but also amend Section 740 of the Home Rule Act to apply to all future declared emergencies.
That's the glaring problem with this - no emergency actually exists, just the declaration.
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Bolton has been Mar a Lago'd!

I've asked three times before and this time makes the fourth - what is the acceptable term? I answered your questions in good faith and I would appreciate if you could do the same.

Of course, by these evasions, you seem to be saying there is no term to describe the actions that would be acceptable to you. Is this assessment correct?

I'm unsure about the appropriate terminology. I am not a supporter of President Trump, nor am I affiliated with the Republican party or the MAGA movement.

Based on my observations, when President Trump is referred to as a dictator, individuals who identify with the MAGA movement typically show no interest in engaging with the speaker's perspective.

If your objective is to preserve democratic processes, it may be important to gain support from some supporters of President Trump. This requires using language that is considerate of their perspectives and encouraging cooperation toward shared goals.
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6,000 Years?

Not all of the Torah or Tanakh can be read literal. Take these verses for example, some have had words added in on English translations to clarify them to our understanding, so I am using a literal translation from the Hebrew (Artscroll version). I highlighted the parts that clearly are metaphor or to be read rhetorically:

Isaiah 40: 6 A voice says, "Call!" and it says, "What shall I call?" "All flesh is grass, and all its kindness is like the blossom of the field...
Isaiah 40:10 Behold the Lord God shall come with a strong [hand], and His arm rules for Him; behold His reward is with Him, and His recompense is before Him.

Not to mention verses with direct instructions that would contradict one another if we don't read them with a critical mind (NASB):

Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth.

Then the Hebrews were told a few chapters later in directions on the Ark to make images of angels:

Exodus 25:18-22 You shall make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the atoning cover. 19 Make one cherub at one end and one cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim of one piece with the atoning cover at its two ends. 20 And the cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the atoning cover with their wings and facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the atoning cover. 21 Then you shall put the atoning cover on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. 22 There I will meet with you; and from above the atoning cover, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about every commandment that I will give you for the sons of Israel.
Again. Genesis was written the same as the rest of the law (Torah)...and its not rhetorical.
There is nothing rhetorical about Exodus 20:4 or 25:18-22
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