Dan Perez said:

# 1 Add the will only do it one more time as what John said as why the Greek word , he Holy Spirit used the Greek word

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I cannot decipher what you wrote.

Dan Perez said:

Baptisma in Matt 3:7 ?

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Yep, with water from the Jordan.

Dan Perez said:

It means that the Pharisees. and Sadducees were covering their them self . incase. tech bet on. the wrong Horse .
and we now from Acts 28:25-28 . Israel was set aside . some 40. years later .

dan p

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As it is written later that the Pharisees and scribes didn't believe John, (Luke 20:5), I cannot agree with your POV.

Hoping2 said:

How so ?
I realized I needed help, and grabbed the Life line that was tossed to me.

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Sure, but there were all sorts of circumstances that put you in that place, in that frame of mind, and presented the message at the right time.

Hoping2 said:

Men get the information they need to make choices.

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Yes, and our choices can alter our beliefs but belief is not itself a choice.

Hoping2 said:

Either one believes or they don't.

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There but for the grace of God...

Hoping2 said:

It doesn't seem complicated to me.

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No matter how hard someone tries, what they believe is not directly theirs to choose. Choices influence belief, but there's more to the cocktail.

Hoping2 said:

Is it a complicated choice to get into an elevator going up ?

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I'm not discounting the role of choice, simply that there are two sides to the coin and there is a good deal of things that are not in our control that can prevent us from believing.

Hoping2 said:

No, as the obvious result makes the choice easy.

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Sure, but the analogy is inapt.

NxNW said:

It's less of an emergency if the actual danger is weeks away. Republican laws are forcing the doctors to wait until the situation is dire.

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Nonsense. It's patently obvious that there's absolutely nothing in the law that requires that.

Pommer said:

So, what’s the controversy?

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Beats me. It's a perfectly sensible law that some people, for some twisted reason, are so freaked out over that they have to make up hyperventilated nonsense about it.

Fervent said:

As do I, but framing it as us "choosing" God ignores the reality of the pit we're in prior to salvation.

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How so ?
I realized I needed help, and grabbed the Life line that was tossed to me.

Fervent said:

Belief is far more complicated than a simple choice, and we can't just will ourselves to believe. To suggest otherwise is to flirt with Pelagianism, which has been anathematized since the 5th century.

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Men get the information they need to make choices.
Either one believes or they don't.
It doesn't seem complicated to me.
Is it a complicated choice to get into an elevator going up ?
No, as the obvious result makes the choice easy.

Hoping2 said:

That is pretty much what I just wrote.

Did you read verse 6 ?
"And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."
Wasn't the Jordan a river of water ?

It means that John wondered why the wicked had come to him to have their past sins washed away.

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# 1 And I will only do it one more time as what John said as why the Greek word , the Holy Spirit used the Greek word.

Baptisma in Matt 3:7 ?
It means that the Pharisees. and Sadducees were covering them self . incase. they bet on. the wrong Horse .
and we now from Acts 28:25-28 . Israel was set aside . some 40. years later .

dan p

2seekDiligence said:

I am known and seen
But my sin is not a sight to see.
I once hid in my filth-
and dirtied my spirt,
But pigs are not a place for me.

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oh nahh ts trash low key XD

tdidymas said:

"Jesus is not a human sacrifice made to God."
Certainly not in the pagan sense. But how do you interpret Isa. 53 which says "He looked on his travail and was satisfied"? Would you agree that Jesus' suffering and death on the cross appeases God's wrath? Would you agree that humans are atoned for by the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ?

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This gets us into the nitty gritty of Atonement theology and theories of the Atonement.

My personal views of the Atonement tend to mix elements of the different historic theories of the Atonement. I don't reject Penal Substitution Theory, but it's not the primary way in which I understand the Atonement; the primary ways I look at the Atonement are through Christus Victor Theory, Satisfaction Theory, and Recapitulation Theory. Christ does, indeed, make satisfaction on our behalf; and Christ does willingly bear upon Himself wrath--but this requires a very delicate and nuanced view of what God's wrath is. The danger of Penal Substitution Theory is that it can easily be warped into cosmic and divine child abuse; where God is seen as primarily angry and He needed to take out His anger on someone, and so He chose to make His own Son a cosmic whipping boy. This is a dangerous way to view God. And while I don't think a mature and robust Penal Substitution Theory says this, this is how it can very often be presented and can often be received. I think Penal Substitution works best when understood within a larger context of the Atonement, rather than presented as the primary way of talking about the Atonement; and when it is tempered with other biblical language--hence the importance of talking about Recapitulation, Christus Victor, and Satisfaction.

God isn't an angry god sitting high on a mountain; but the reality of sin means that all of us stand under the shadow of the Law in condemnation for our sin; and the holiness, righteousness, and Divine Glory of God as it encounters sin is wrath. In this, by Christ willingly participating in our death, in our curse of death, He chooses to identify as one of us--the condemned--though He is entirely innocent and without sin. "He who knew no sin became sin" as Paul puts it. The Lord does not become an object of an angry god; but rather partakes willingly in the ugliness of our own sinful humanity, though is Himself without sin, and thus He chooses to bear what we deserve--death--and in exchange give us what we do not deserve, life, His life. It's not about appeasing an angry god; it's about God uniting Himself in our ugliness and receiving into Himself the outcome of that ugliness: death; but the point of that is ultimately about reclaiming a world that has become lost in death and reclaiming it for Himself, that it should be whole once more--resurrection.

-CryptoLutheran

I am known and seen
But my sin is not a sight to see.
I once hid in my filth-
and dirtied my spirt,
But pigs are not a place for me.

Matthew 8:31-32: And when He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men confronted Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way. 29 And they cried out, saying, “[a]What business do You have with us, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before [b]the time?” 30 Now there was a herd of many pigs feeding at a distance from them. 31 And the demons begged Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of pigs.” 32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the pigs; and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and [c]drowned in the waters.

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Hi and welcome, looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

If for some reason we cross paths and exchange words and I come across as rude, do not take it to heart. I just lack tact and do not mean anything personal by it.

Hope you find a deeper connection with God through your interactions on these forums, and may God bless you and us through the online fellowship.

RileyG said:

Well...I guess it depends how people view Holy Communion in modern times? I dunno.

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It does, but that's not necessarily a negative thing. Having a transactional view of grace, as presented in some traditional Catholic or Protestant settings, isn't really in keeping with the idea of salvation as something relational and healing. Outward conformity isn't the same as developing inward virtue, sometimes it just masks hypocrisy. Repentance can't be reduced to outward conformity, actual human beings are complicated. That's why people go seek out spiritual direction, some things are more complicated than what can be covered by broad, universalized rules.

Just keep in mind that Jesus himself tolerated people in the congregation he had formed that misunderstood him, or used his presence instrumentally, even betrayed him. But he never said "you don't belong here", even if sometimes he had to point out how they were misguided or wrong.

Dan Perez said:

And your thoughts on what Acts 2:38 really means ?
.dan p

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Peter's first commands to the early church, included water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, to wash away past sins.
If done after a true repentance from sin, it would garner the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It really means exactly what is written.

Dan Perez said:

And Matt 3:11 and does not refer to Water /. Hydor. and Fire means Judgment .

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That is pretty much what I just wrote.

Dan Perez said:

And in Matt 3:7 But when he. saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his BAPTISMA / BAPTISM. , notice. the Greek
word BAPTISMA is in the Greek text

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Did you read verse 6 ?
"And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."
Wasn't the Jordan a river of water ?

Dan Perez said:

# 1. Then notice what John says next. in. verse 7 , O. generation ,of vipers , who hath warned you to. flee. From the wrath. to come ?
Your thoughts On What # 1. , means. ?

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It means that John wondered why the wicked had come to him to have their past sins washed away.

Hoping2 said:

I rejoice in the fact that I was presented with the truth, and believed it.
If I endure faithfully until the end, my belief will be unto eternal life !

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As do I, but framing it as us "choosing" God ignores the reality of the pit we're in prior to salvation. Belief is far more complicated than a simple choice, and we can't just will ourselves to believe. To suggest otherwise is to flirt with Pelagianism, which has been anathematized since the 5th century.

"Tis God whom I seek"
A laughable quote I speak
As I snore in Sin.

If my sleep shan't die
Than very soon should I- And
Never wake again.

jesuslover811 said:

Lets try to write some haiku's together here is one of mine. The last line is not original I was out of ideas listening to allegri.

God Is so Loving
His mercy and forgiveness
Cleanse me of my sin

here is another I came up with
tis is the tree
tis the birds roosting in the tree
tis the sun tis is heaven
I remember at church the pastor said Jesus said something like " heaven is the tree and the birds that rest on it and the grass below" kinda like saying heaven is " the whole package "
I suppose its not a very good haiku if I have to explain it
if you do not know how just use this website
Write A Haiku

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dont worry wasn't to shabby i enjoyed it

What is the point of railing against baptism? Like, what's the harm if your strange theological ideas are true?

And what's the point of talking about the Greek word when it doesn't help your case any more than the English does. Bapto/baptismo mean "immerse"...so what is the immersion by, if not water? Even where the discussion is a "baptism of the Spirit" the image is still of being dunked in water.

Fervent said:

In response, I will cite one passage:

Romans 10:10-17(ESV): 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[c] And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

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I rejoice in the fact that I was presented with the truth, and believed it.
If I endure faithfully until the end, my belief will be unto eternal life !

If the facts are useful , isn’t that a good thing?

Desk trauma said:

And Trump offered the idea of a wall on the southern border with Mexico picking up the tab. Once in office, with his party holding both chambers at the start of his term, that plan fizzled. Now you want me to believe ten cities built from scratch on undesirable locations is on offer if he’s re-elected?

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This should have ended this thread right here.

How about being industrious?

INDU