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Does anyone still receive the Eucharist by mouth?

I do most of the time. In fact, even though I go to a novus ordo I try to do everything as if I were at a TLM. So I receive on the tongue, I'll kneel if I can, I don't receive from the chalice if it's offered (it hasn't been at my parish since before covid), etc.

Only time I won't is if I get stuck in an EMHC's communion line. Usually I try to get into father's line, or if a deacon is assisting that day I'll stay in his line if I end up in it.
I dont like taking communion from anybody other than a priest or a deacon. I have, but I don’t usually.
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Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

Sure but if I give you a car, then you spend 50K retrofitting it, is the gift anything? Yes, but only if you do not use YOUR money to fix it.


We were always going to have to fix it.

We don't just trust a plane from Qatar for goodness sake. We have to take that thing down to bare metal just looking for bugs and bombs.

The point isn't that we are going to spend some of our money on it when the world isn't looking, it's that Qatar is making overtures towards our country that are diplomatically positive.

This is called diplomacy. Smile. It's what we want; to try and have positive relationships in rocky places.

You all are globalists aren't you? Why squeamish about diplomatic relations? I'm not even a globalist but even I can handle diplomatic relations with foreign nations.

Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

The question of translation is whether εν τῷ αἵματι αὐτοῦ should go with ἱλαστήριον or πίστεως. I would say either is a valid choice, but I'd probably lean toward "through faith in His blood," keeping the original word order.
I'd agree keeping the original word order would be the way to go because otherwise you'd have to change the object of faith - no?

Is it valid to change the meaning of sentences to translate. I'm confused here.
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Criminal Illegal Alien Who Offered $10,000 Bounties to Murder ICE Agents Arrested in Dallas, TX

He said something stupid a couple of years ago and continue to say stupid stuff now.

The journalist and former CNN anchor had suggested on podcast The Left Hook with Wajahat Ali that "Black people, brown people of all stripes" should "legally" get a gun in case their homes were visited. He also added he was "not condoning or promoting violence."

There you go. You were mistaken. No apology necessary.

What did you think the guns are for?
You tell me what guns are for.

And he saying that he is not condoning violence is rubbish. He wants people to take out guns at ICE and shoot ICE agents.
That’s your own interpretation.

Again us a really bad idea to take out a gun in law enforcement.
Yeah that’s what I’ve been saying for years against those second amendment “don’t tread on me” types. This is just their right wing foolishness being reflected back and no surprise, you guys don’t like it.

This will cost lives but I guess you condone that kind of thing.
Not at all. It’s been the right that has advocated for gun ownership to protect against a tyrant. Now the left is joining them.

We should be glad we’ve found some common ground!

I would submit and then sue the hell out of them. If George Floyd would have done that he would still be alive today.
Floyd did not have that option. He was submitted and subdued and restrained with an officer on his neck for almost 10 minutes. That’s why he died.

What bothers me is the call for violence by your leftist side that is not protected under the constitution.
No one is calling for violence. Arming oneself is a constitutional right. Advocating for an legally armed citizenry is a constitutional right.

No where is the second amendment does it give anyone the right to draw guns against law enforcement. Your side disobedience nonsense cost people’s lives.
Someone should tell all the right wing militias about this. It’ll be news to them.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

It doesn't seem so. All translations are more on "a mercy seat through faith" and (a mercy) through His blood.

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What greek manuscript is this? Mercy seat means "propitiation". The screen shot looks like its saying "a mercy seat through the faith in the his blood" not what you said - im confused.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

"Faith in his blood" simply means believing and trusting in Jesus' atoning work for the forgiveness of his sin.

It's his sacrifical blood atonement most specifically - atoning work is shorthand. He is our passover lamb. The blood imagery vocabularly God choses seems to be heavily emphasized. I would not equivocate it away so casually - at the expense of ever mentioning the blood.

If someone has faith in the sacrificial blood atonement of christ - yes, i'd say they have "faith in the blood".

If somone just trusts in his death on the cross with no understanding of blood atonement, passover lamb, or the blood plays any role in salvation - would they techinically have "faith in the blood" - according to levitcus 17:11 which is the basis for atonement. He has given us blood to make atonement for our soul on the altar. Faith in the blood isnt a vague term but pointing to the sacrificial system in leviticus - so in some point, should not this be understood for salvation - even to the simplest level a child can understand. I'm a sinner. A sacrifice was made by Jesus. His blood covers me. There is peace with God.

There seems to be a chain there. If death was the only thing someone has faith in then would bypass the blood and therefor the altar according to levitus 17:11. That is my concern.
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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

I'll eventually build a prototype sometime when I finally could but I don't see it happening in the next few years.

If it fails, it wouldn't be the first time someone attempting to invent something failed in the first few attempts. Thomas Edison went through 1000 failed attempts isn't?

I won't go that far though. I'll probably give up after a few failed attempts unless the failures were trivial like some parts getting stuck or breaking. Most the principles involved are well established in mechanical engineering and failures concerning operational principles shouldn't be too hard to investigate that after few failed attempts, it would be very clear.

For the moment, it's clear beyond doubt it's not violating the most important 1st law of energy.

This is what air molecules may resemble at ambient temperatures and my engine concept theoretically extracts work from them collectively. At room temperature, the average speed of air molecules is approximately 1,100 mph which is really high in terms of energy density, like trying to run a wind turbine with 1,100 mph wind! What I'm trying to do seem ridiculous but what's more ridiculous is for more than a century nobody tried to exploit that enormous energy density contained in room temperature gas. Extract work from these and you're simply ending up with very cold gas and energy is conserved.
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If successful this tech will usher in the next stage of advancement of the human civilization - The "Post-Energy-Scarcity Age" as well as the end of global warming. Current renewable energy sources won't make them happen due to very low power densities and massive ecological footprint. They may not emit air pollution but can still affect the environment in big ways, generate significant waste heat, and have very high capital expenditures due to massive structures/large quantities of expensive components, and huge land areas required. The low power densities would eventually fail to meet demand of the rapidly growing population and shrinking spaces (including offshore) to place these units.
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Criminal Illegal Alien Who Offered $10,000 Bounties to Murder ICE Agents Arrested in Dallas, TX

Or maybe you’re just confused.

Don Lemon was let go over two years ago. It couldn’t have been related to comments he made recently about the current ICE raids.
He said something stupid a couple of years ago and continue to say stupid stuff now.
Well you’re still wrong. We can just look at his actual words quoted and see there is no incitement to violence. Go and quote the part you think is relevant to your interpretation.
The journalist and former CNN anchor had suggested on podcast The Left Hook with Wajahat Ali that "Black people, brown people of all stripes" should "legally" get a gun in case their homes were visited. He also added he was "not condoning or promoting violence."


What did you think the guns are for? And he saying that he is not condoning violence is rubbish. He wants people to take out guns at ICE and shoot ICE agents. Again us a really bad idea to take out a gun in law enforcement. This will cost lives but I guess you condone that kind of thing.

Fortunately that’s not anything Don Lemon said to do. You can try reading his words again.


Right. You would just let the government have its way with you. We still have a right to self defense even against government agents.
I would submit and then sue the hell out of them. If George Floyd would have done that he would still be alive today.
Sorry that bothers you.
What bothers me is the call for violence by your leftist side that is not protected under the constitution. No where is the second amendment does it give anyone the right to draw guns against law enforcement. Your side disobedience nonsense cost people’s lives.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

What happens when you change the word order?

Does not the object of that sentence then change from the blood "faith in the blood" to something else.

That is translation philosophy, not the Greek's fault. The KJV kept it perhaps because they did not want to alter the object of faith in that sentence. "Faith in the blood" was part of preface of the KJV - it wasn't side issue - but seems to be one of the key scriptures of the bible!

I wouldn't mess with that in my opinion so casually.
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Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

Really?

Trump says anti-bribery laws are crippling U.S. businesses, so he's changing the rules​


Thanks. I had not seen that story. Years ago, there was a story in the news that someone at the IRS had given out an advisory saying that bribes are tax deductible. I guess that means that if you have to pay a bribe to get something done, then it is a cost of doing business.

I stand by my belief that taking a bribe does not qualify as an official act, so whoever does it should face the full consequences of the law.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

I’m trying to convince a brother in christ “Faith in the blood” is a real thing in the Bible. It’s not found in his translation esv but only in the kjv.
He said I’m not qualified to interpret these and he doesn't trust the chat gtp answer so I'm looking for someone who knows greek who can chime in here and small possibility of being willing to standby your response in case he wants to chime in - no pressure though.
"Faith in his blood" simply means believing and trusting in Jesus' atoning work for the forgiveness of his sin.
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The Vatican opens a Muslim prayer room, Sparking debate (article link)

If a Muslim needs a ‘place to pray’ they can being their own prayer mat and set it up in a study cubicle. Nobody needs a dedicated space for that. Dedicating a space for that will be seen as a capitulation done out of weakness, and not out of generosity.
Not up to me, but Vatican officials.

As I posted, the Vatican is a city state and consists of more than just St Peter's Basilica.
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Former Trump supporter Pamela Hemphill refuses Jan. 6 pardon; apparently the only one to do so (ETA: there is another...)

Related to the J6 pardons, I didn't want to make a new thread and the main one is locked.

At this point, I don't think most of the pardons will matter. More than a few seem to want to find their way back to prison.



Pardoned Capitol rioter charged with threatening to murder Hakeem Jeffries at NYC event this week

I suspect they think that Trump will pardon them again, since they are just trying to "help" get rid of the "traitors." Unfortunately, he is charged under New York State law, meaning if he can't get it moved to Federal Court, he has no chance of a pardon.
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The Economist: Trump's approval rating crashes!

The assessment that liberals are intellectual scientific artists, and conservatives are deplorable troglodytes, is just as bad as any other supremacist claim.

I guess it's a good thing that that wasn't the assessment levied then, eh?


And yet the left clearly issues a plethora of partisan propaganda and sensationalism.
Nobody said they didn't. The difference isn't that one side engages in sensationalism and the other one doesn't. The difference is that one side engages in little else.
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AND WHAT IS THE ONLY APOSTLE TO. THE GENTILES. MEAN IN. GAL 6:16. ??

# 1 AND // KAI is. a CONJUNCATION

# 2 AS MANY AS // HOSOS. , is. a CORRELATIVE. PRONOUN , is an. NONINATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

# 3 WALK //. STOICHEO , is. an. FUTURE. TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 4. ACCORDING TO. // in. the DATIVE CASE . in. the SINGULAR

# 5. THIS // TOUTO. is a DEMONSTRATIVE PRONOUN. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. RULE // KANO. , in the DATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR.

# 7. PEACE. //. EIRENE. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 8 ON // EPI , is. a PREPOSTION

# 9. THEM // AIUTOS. , is a PRESONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN. , is. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 10. AND // KAI. , is a. CONJUNCATION

# 11. MERCY. // ELEOS , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , nc the SIGNULAR

# 12. AND //. is a CONJUNCATIO

# 13 UPON // is a PROPOSITION

# 14 THE //. HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , is an. ACCUSATIVE CASE. , in. the SIGNULAR

# 15 ISRAEL // ISRAEL. is a PROPER NOUN

# 16. OF GOD // THEOS. , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

# A And in. this verse it says , What does the standard , AND. peace upon. THEM. and what is that STANDARD. MEAN ??

# B. And that RULE and STANDARD is found in Gal 6: 15 a NEW CREATION. , which means THE BODY of CHRIST. as their are those

Who rejected be SAVED by. the GRACE ( ROM 10:9 and 10. ) and Paul says as he wrote ROMANS and says MERCY on those

THAT have REJECTED Gods Grace as Israel rejected CHRIST in ACTS 28:25-28. and all can. see what happened to. ISRAEL ??

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When does blindness occur?

From the initial post:

Note: blindness in this post is not referring to Spiritual Ignorance, but rather a deep blindness that prevents salvation from occurring. We are all born with Spiritual Ignorance, blindness in this post refers to that which prevents salvation.

When Jesus comes sight comes, He shows us who God is.

John 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.​
Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.​

Man is not blind to God; God gives us that sight, man is just overpowered by sin:

Rom 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.​

When we accept Christ He gives us power over that sin, by both forgiving it (if we sin), and strengthening us by the Holy Spirit (to not sin).
I spoke about the difference between spiritual ignorance (which is what we see in the Garden of Eden) and spiritual blindness which we see in the whole of human history after Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

One can only be ignorant of sin if we don’t know what sin is, which could have only happened prior to eating of the tree of knowledge. Once we know what sin is, we can no longer be ignorant. We are blind.
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Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

The reason many European nations refuse to extradite US citizens back to the US is because we, the US, execute our own citizens. How is this such an outrage when we do it ourselves?
Do you believe Hamas implementing capital punishment to its citizens without trial is equivalent to the US judicial process, where a unanimous verdict from twelve jurors is required for capital punishment?
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