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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

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I don't want to be mean, but this is nonsense and I suspect you know as much and are hiding behind 'responsibility' to save face.

If you've found a revolutionary idea that will impact the lives of billions then I'm sorry, but you make it work. Leading community projects can be transferred to someone else, for example. You could also patent the idea and take it to a company.

Like come on. AI is great for a lot of things, but the idea of revolutionising the world with something found on ChatGPT seems ridiculous, especially when you then can't find time for it.

You have your lunchbreak at work, so that's 2.5-5 hours a week you could be working on the business/patent/proposal if not the prototype.

The time after your child goes to bed I'm guessing gives you 3-4 hours a night.

Like come on brother. Quit making excuses or admit you've got a dud.
 
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Violating physical principles will tend to do that.

Nothing you described can possibly work. The "thermal heat" in room temperature (300 K) air or water is only able to do work if there is some place cooler that it can flow to.

I'm glad it figured out the laws of physics.
Yes, I'm actually trying to insist to chatgpt in many back and forth replies that it's violating the 1st and 2nd law of energy/thermodynamics but chatgpt kept its position. Eventually I asked for a walkthrough why.

At this point, the major redesign is now entirely my effort. I simply ran it through chatgpt and google gemini for scrutiny, debugging, looking for anything that can go wrong or make the concept fail.

Nothing you described can possibly work. The "thermal heat" in room temperature (300 K) air or water is only able to do work if there is some place cooler that it can flow to.
Probably the closest clue I can give you. The engine makes its own "cold sink" (below ambient) without generating an equivalent high temperature side (above ambient) directly unlike the well known vapor-cycle refrigeration in A/C systems and the household fridge. It's none of that.

There's more than one way to drop temperature without input of work. If you read enough mechanical engineering books/articles, you'll come across them and they're not just oddities but exploited in some industries and ironically even in power-producing industries all for the same reason - improve efficiency/reduce power consumption/reduce operational cost.

Heat always flows towards the cold and never in reverse in the engine concept. If the reverse occurs, some of the exhaust would be hotter than ambient and doing it without energy input not only violate 2nd law but also the 1st law. The engine would continuously dump energy while receiving less energy than it dumps would certainly violate the 1st law.

In terms of entropy, it's a fully reversible process in a closed system where the entropy remains constant or increasing which again does not violate 2nd law and not violating any laws of physics at all.

Mechanical engineering have already all the knowledge, expertise, technology, and hardware to design and build such engine.

Why nobody designed nor built such engine simply because it was never the goal to build an engine that ran only from the ambient heat and latent energy of humid air or water. As ridiculous as it sounds.

People just never quit thinking that obtaining heat energy always involves burning, reacting, or concentrating something to raise heat far higher than ambient. They always see ambient heat as worthless energy yet it's all around us in virtually inexhaustible quantities and the very high mass flow rates over cold exchangers achievable with existing tech, the power density can approach that of jet engines which is many orders of magnitude higher than solar power and other renewable sources of energy.

Such high power density means it can singularly power everything directly without being supplanted by fossil fuel engines (hybrid) nor using batteries (wind and solar) and not require massive land and sea area and capital (wind and solar) to generate the same power output.

It can power cars directly up to high performance. Power even the biggest airliners at same performance levels but even better with unlimited range and without the burden of fuel weight.

Most spectacularly, the engine's cold exhaust plume will condense moisture form the air and as secondary function, stationary engines can irrigate and cool hot deserts leading to reforestation while producing power all the same time. It can also provide clean, fresh water to communities.

Home units will give you both electricity and fresh, clean, cold water, as well as cooling your entire house. People living in hot climates will love this engine for sure.
 
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Refrigerators? Heat pumps?

Carnot says hello again.

Seriously, what are you proposing that hasn't been described theoretically by the Carnot heat engine? What is your hot side (ambient air?) and what is your cold side (interstellar space to get close to 0K? but almost only radiative heat losses.) I see a problem with that cold side :) It's going to be very far away, and requires a very big heat sink.

Without having to repeat myself, here's my reply to Hans Blaster on post #62

 
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I don't want to be mean, but this is nonsense and I suspect you know as much and are hiding behind 'responsibility' to save face.

If you've found a revolutionary idea that will impact the lives of billions then I'm sorry, but you make it work. Leading community projects can be transferred to someone else, for example. You could also patent the idea and take it to a company.

Like come on. AI is great for a lot of things, but the idea of revolutionising the world with something found on ChatGPT seems ridiculous, especially when you then can't find time for it.

You have your lunchbreak at work, so that's 2.5-5 hours a week you could be working on the business/patent/proposal if not the prototype.

The time after your child goes to bed I'm guessing gives you 3-4 hours a night.

Like come on brother. Quit making excuses or admit you've got a dud.
The latest changes to the design are huge but this time, they're entirely my idea / research effort without using AI. I only used AI later on to find faults / scrutinize the design.

I've already considered and even possibly tried some of the things you wrote.

But beyond my job (totally unrelated to the engine project) and other responsibilities, all I can do is sleep. Sometimes I even don't have energy for my job even if I'm doing nothing else apart from other responsibilities. Even my job is suffering even if I'm doing nothing else.

I certainly feel bad about it but I feel a lot worse if I'm failing at my job.

My situation is complicated and I'd rather not talk about it. I'm simply waiting for the time I can do real work on the engine. Until then, I think as little of it as possible so I can focus on my job and other responsibilities.

I'm sorry, probably not what you want to hear but given my current situation, there's really nothing I can do about it. Hoping and waiting for the time it does.

Inventions are lost all the time. It's a fact of life. We only hear about the "winners". But the way things are, solutions to turn things around are all around but not always heard. Fate, luck, etc. If the world ends, it's just luck. Since this is the "non-Christian" section, I'd say luck. Otherwise it's fate, the Lord meant it to be.

There's still a chance I can build it, otherwise, I won't be writing about it. It's only a matter of passage of time.
 
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Yes, I'm actually trying to insist to chatgpt in many back and forth replies that it's violating the 1st and 2nd law of energy/thermodynamics but chatgpt kept its position. Eventually I asked for a walkthrough why.

At this point, the major redesign is now entirely my effort. I simply ran it through chatgpt and google gemini for scrutiny, debugging, looking for anything that can go wrong or make the concept fail.
I don't know why you would entrust important work (this is important to you, right?) to a chat bot.
Probably the closest clue I can give you. The engine makes its own "cold sink" (below ambient) without generating an equivalent high temperature side (above ambient) directly unlike the well known vapor-cycle refrigeration in A/C systems and the household fridge. It's none of that.

And I have a sail boat powered by a fan using electricity generated by the motion of my boat. Works with no wind.
There's more than one way to drop temperature without input of work. If you read enough mechanical engineering books/articles, you'll come across them and they're not just oddities but exploited in some industries and ironically even in power-producing industries all for the same reason - improve efficiency/reduce power consumption/reduce operational cost.

Heat always flows towards the cold and never in reverse in the engine concept. If the reverse occurs, some of the exhaust would be hotter than ambient and doing it without energy input not only violate 2nd law but also the 1st law. The engine would continuously dump energy while receiving less energy than it dumps would certainly violate the 1st law.

In terms of entropy, it's a fully reversible process in a closed system where the entropy remains constant or increasing which again does not violate 2nd law and not violating any laws of physics at all.

Mechanical engineering have already all the knowledge, expertise, technology, and hardware to design and build such engine.

Why nobody designed nor built such engine simply because it was never the goal to build an engine that ran only from the ambient heat and latent energy of humid air or water. As ridiculous as it sounds.
You got that last point right.
People just never quit thinking that obtaining heat energy always involves burning, reacting, or concentrating something to raise heat far higher than ambient. They always see ambient heat as worthless energy yet it's all around us in virtually inexhaustible quantities and the very high mass flow rates over cold exchangers achievable with existing tech, the power density can approach that of jet engines which is many orders of magnitude higher than solar power and other renewable sources of energy.

Such high power density means it can singularly power everything directly without being supplanted by fossil fuel engines (hybrid) nor using batteries (wind and solar) and not require massive land and sea area and capital (wind and solar) to generate the same power output.

It can power cars directly up to high performance. Power even the biggest airliners at same performance levels but even better with unlimited range and without the burden of fuel weight.

Most spectacularly, the engine's cold exhaust plume will condense moisture form the air and as secondary function, stationary engines can irrigate and cool hot deserts leading to reforestation while producing power all the same time. It can also provide clean, fresh water to communities.
Jet engines already do that. They are called chemtrails (oops, sorry, that's contrails) and they don't trigger rainfall now.
Home units will give you both electricity and fresh, clean, cold water, as well as cooling your entire house. People living in hot climates will love this engine for sure.
Get a good lawyer and look for sanctuary jurisdictions.
 
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I don't know why you would entrust important work (this is important to you, right?) to a chat bot.
It's a huge gamble. I have nobody else (human) to talk to about this anyway. I tried before many years ago and a few times in between. All I received is ridicule.

I have ceased discussing it with AI at this point as all of the big issues has been covered. It's all up to me now.

And I have a sail boat powered by a fan using electricity generated by the motion of my boat. Works with no wind.
Sounds like you're ridiculing me as well.
 
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I'll eventually build a prototype sometime when I finally could but I don't see it happening in the next few years.

If it fails, it wouldn't be the first time someone attempting to invent something failed in the first few attempts. Thomas Edison went through 1000 failed attempts isn't?

I won't go that far though. I'll probably give up after a few failed attempts unless the failures were trivial like some parts getting stuck or breaking. Most the principles involved are well established in mechanical engineering and failures concerning operational principles shouldn't be too hard to investigate that after few failed attempts, it would be very clear.

For the moment, it's clear beyond doubt it's not violating the most important 1st law of energy.

This is what air molecules may resemble at ambient temperatures and my engine concept theoretically extracts work from them collectively. At room temperature, the average speed of air molecules is approximately 1,100 mph which is really high in terms of energy density, like trying to run a wind turbine with 1,100 mph wind! What I'm trying to do seem ridiculous but what's more ridiculous is for more than a century nobody tried to exploit that enormous energy density contained in room temperature gas. Extract work from these and you're simply ending up with very cold gas and energy is conserved.
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If successful this tech will usher in the next stage of advancement of the human civilization - The "Post-Energy-Scarcity Age" as well as the end of global warming. Current renewable energy sources won't make them happen due to very low power densities and massive ecological footprint. They may not emit air pollution but can still affect the environment in big ways, generate significant waste heat, and have very high capital expenditures due to massive structures/large quantities of expensive components, and huge land areas required. The low power densities would eventually fail to meet demand of the rapidly growing population and shrinking spaces (including offshore) to place these units.
 
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Sounds like you're ridiculing me as well.
I'm not ridiculing you, but the start of your thread title, "AI and I", would make a good name for a twenty-first century reggae song. :)
 
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How selfish.

Things like this often require some level of partnership to focus on the project full-time. That’s challenging when your livelihood takes precedence. The early period is usually self-funded, aided by family and friends or a small loan. Investors arrive later on when the idea is tested and proven. This is why laddering is a popular approach to scaling in business. Research and development is expensive and you need to have revenue to fund it. He needs a partner that can put that in place while he focuses on the other.

~bella
 
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Things like this often require some level of partnership to focus on the project full-time. That’s challenging when your livelihood takes precedence. The early period is usually self-funded, aided by family and friends or a small loan. Investors arrive later on when the idea is tested and proven. This is why laddering is a popular approach to scaling in business. Research and development is expensive and you need to have revenue to fund it. He needs a partner that can put that in place while he focuses on the other.

~bella

You nailed it.

No one's coming until after I make a working prototype and I still need to bring food to the table so I'm still alive and sane by the time I have the chance to do real work on the concept.

There are many inventions that never see the light of day. That's reality. The world is rigged against change and cooperation. It's rigged to make us fight and hate each other.
 
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This is what air molecules may resemble at ambient temperatures and my engine concept theoretically extracts work from them collectively. At room temperature, the average speed of air molecules is approximately 1,100 mph which is really high in terms of energy density,

E/V = 3/2 n k T

as has been known since the early days of stat mech.
like trying to run a wind turbine with 1,100 mph wind!
With the wind blowing in every direction at the same time. No net force on the turbine.
What I'm trying to do seem ridiculous but what's more ridiculous is for more than a century nobody tried to exploit that enormous energy density contained in room temperature gas. Extract work from these and you're simply ending up with very cold gas and energy is conserved.
The device you are looking for to extract is "Maxwell's demon".
 
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You nailed it.

Of course I did. ;-)

No one's coming until after I make a working prototype and I still need to bring food to the table so I'm still alive and sane by the time I have the chance to do real work on the concept.

Your livelihood has primacy. If the Lord intends you to pursue the venture He’ll bring the pieces you lack. You may ask for divine helpers and continue to do so throughout. They’re not limited to the invention.

There are many inventions that never see the light of day. That's reality. The world is rigged against change and cooperation. It's rigged to make us fight and hate each other.

My uncle had many he devised for the auto industry. It’s a complicated subject and ownership is murky. Aligning with the right people is paramount and the majority are otherwise. There are christians in that arena who’ll come alongside entrepreneurs with promising ideas. But they should be vetted as well.

Don’t minimize the value of maintaining the lion’s share of a company. People will point you here and there and you’ll find yourself booted out while they’re profiting from your idea. This is a long game and the first rung most be solidified before the rest can be pursued. Shore up your foundation and tinker with it when time permits.

And don’t fret about missed opportunities. There’s enough believers dropping mantles to keep you well fed. For every person pursuing the thing He lays on their heart there’s many times that number doing otherwise.

~bella
 
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E/V = 3/2 n k T

as has been known since the early days of stat mech.

With the wind blowing in every direction at the same time. No net force on the turbine.

The device you are looking for to extract is "Maxwell's demon".

You‘re a fount of knowledge and I enjoy your posts.

~bella
 
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Of course I did. ;-)



Your livelihood has primacy. If the Lord intends you to pursue the venture He’ll bring the pieces you lack. You may ask for divine helpers and continue to do so throughout. They’re not limited to the invention.



My uncle had many he devised for the auto industry. It’s a complicated subject and ownership is murky. Aligning with the right people is paramount and the majority are otherwise. There are christians in that arena who’ll come alongside entrepreneurs with promising ideas. But they should be vetted as well.

Don’t minimize the value of maintaining the lion’s share of a company. People will point you here and there and you’ll find yourself booted out while they’re profiting from your idea. This is a long game and the first rung most be solidified before the rest can be pursued. Shore up your foundation and tinker with it when time permits.

And don’t fret about missed opportunities. There’s enough believers dropping mantles to keep you well fed. For every person pursuing the thing He lays on their heart there’s many times that number doing otherwise.

~bella

Nothing's happening right now so perhaps, it's "not yet time". I'm only getting ideas but nothing more.

Getting this thing out is probably more complicated than building the prototype. Getting Chinese patents etc. I'll worry about those when the prototype is working.

For now, I just have to stay alive!
 
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E/V = 3/2 n k T

as has been known since the early days of stat mech.

With the wind blowing in every direction at the same time. No net force on the turbine.

The device you are looking for to extract is "Maxwell's demon".

There are ways to rearrange random molecular motion into more or less one direction flow without recruiting Maxwell's demon.

You really have to start reading more engineering books because I'm not going to drop any more clues.
 
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There are ways to rearrange random molecular motion into more or less one direction flow without recruiting Maxwell's demon.
Not without energy transfer. If you write the distribution of particles as a moment expansion, you get the fluid dynamics equations.
You really have to start reading more engineering books because I'm not going to drop any more clues.
The "clues" you keep dropping imply an attempted violation of the laws of physics. Your engineering books aren't going to help you do that.
 
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Nothing's happening right now so perhaps, it's "not yet time". I'm only getting ideas but nothing more.

Getting this thing out is probably more complicated than building the prototype. Getting Chinese patents etc. I'll worry about those when the prototype is working.

For now, I just have to stay alive!

Focus on your stability. Somethings aren’t revealed until we’re in a place to address them without distractions. We usually receive the vision or end result in the beginning. The how and why are dispensed en route. You don’t need all the answers right now and He’s unlikely to provide them. Walking it out increases your faith and acuity.

~bella
 
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Focus on your stability. Somethings aren’t revealed until we’re in a place to address them without distractions. We usually receive the vision or end result in the beginning. The how and why are dispensed en route. You don’t need all the answers right now and He’s unlikely to provide them. Walking it out increases your faith and acuity.

~bella

That is true. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it

But in the meantime I'm unable to do anything about, I'm doing to keep it, give it a home in my mind, no matter what!
 
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Not without energy transfer. If you write the distribution of particles as a moment expansion, you get the fluid dynamics equations.

The "clues" you keep dropping imply an attempted violation of the laws of physics. Your engineering books aren't going to help you do that.
It's fully described by fluid dynamics. I just have to show kinetic molecular theory to bring clarity not just to you but other readers as well that I'm not trying to make something out of nothing.

I'm not even trying to move gas from cold to hot for free (Maxwell's demon).

I just can't tell you how exactly because that's my bargaining chip. To bring people to the negotiating table.
 
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