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PesachPup · Jul 8, 2025

PesachPup said:
Dan 11:25 KJV And HE shall stir up HIS power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

He doesn't have to be the KON if the "HE" and "HIS", is a/the KOS who replaces the raiser of taxes.

Couple questions:

1. What number (of the 4 Persian kings that will arise) is this Vile King?
2. Does your view have ALL of the text of Daniel 11 happening before Michael stands up (and the war in heaven)? i.e. essentially before the midpoint of the final 7 years?

Be Blessed
The PuP

I don't rule out for this Vile King to be the KON [also!]. If he serves to unite the 2 kingdoms together, that would make him the successor of the raiser of taxes and be the successor to the KOS, making him also KOS [and KON]. This fits with my understanding that there will be a (too late to recognize it) unified 10 nations attack on Israel. (The nation of Israel will not have prophetic foresight to see it coming to do anything about it).

The PuP

ralliann · Jul 8, 2025

RileyG said:
You cannot control what the minister says. That’s against freedom of speech. Ugh

I want to know about these
The pope and his bishops do not just speak in the Church. They speak to all the world.
Looked this up and here is the answer..
"Yes, the Catholic Church is generally tax-exempt under federal law, classified as a 501(c)(3) organization, but the specifics can vary by state and local jurisdiction."

And this

"Generally tax-exempt

Mosques are generally tax-exempt in the United States1 2 3 4. They are automatically considered tax-exempt under Section 501 (c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code, without needing to apply to the IRS 1 3."

Why would others not be?
These above are all over the media with their political views.

Vambram · Jul 8, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
"‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers"

Previously in past elections, did you disagree with allowing politicians to speak and campaign in churches to an assembled congregation?

Vambram · Jul 8, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
An administration at war with its own people.

That conclusion is absolutely incorrect.

Vambram · Jul 8, 2025

JosephZ said:
What did she lie about?

It would be more accurate to ask, what has Mayor Bass NOT lied about.

essentialsaltes · Jul 8, 2025

109 dead in Texas, 161 missing in Kerr County

There are 161 known people missing in hard-hit Kerr County, Gov. Greg Abbott said.
About 12 are missing in other counties, he said.

Gene2memE · Jul 8, 2025

Love365 said:
Is there something wrong with the original post?

Yes.

It's totally unworkable, both in principle and implementation.

It betrays a near total ignorance of the current diplomatic situation, how diplomatic observers work and their purpose.

Paz(peace) · Jul 8, 2025

Taking a step back from that way of thinking and am looking for different ways of looking at it.

RileyG · Jul 8, 2025

PesachPup · Jul 8, 2025

Jamdoc said:
the Glorious Kingdom is Israel.

the shift from King of the South to King of the North begins in verse 13, where the subject changes

There's a chain of succession:
King -> Raiser of Taxes -> Vile Person.

in verse 25

If he's moving against the King of the South, then the King replaced by the raiser of taxes and then the vile person can't be the King of the South, it has to be the King of the North.
The King of the North is never again mentioned after verse 19 until verse 40 when apparently there's a new King of the North (or the old one found?) and the King of the South both move against the Vile Person (so the idea that Antichrist ever has total control of everything doesn't seem to line up, multiple nations reject him and fight against him).

Dan 11:25 KJV And HE shall stir up HIS power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

He doesn't have to be the KON if the "HE" and "HIS", is a/the KOS who replaces the raiser of taxes.

Couple questions:

1. What number (of the 4 Persian kings that will arise) is this Vile King?
2. Does your view have ALL of the text of Daniel 11 happening before Michael stands up (and the war in heaven)? i.e. essentially before the midpoint of the final 7 years?

Be Blessed
The PuP

FAITH-IN-HIM · Jul 8, 2025

"‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers"

JohnClay · Jul 8, 2025

CoreyD said:
Can you give me the explanation for accurate fulfilment of prophecy being coincidence, delusion, hallucinations.

For example... how is it possible to know the person - by name, even before that person is born - that will build a space ship that will travel to a star 300 light years into the future?

So a name and a date? I think skeptics would usually say that it was just coincidence. BTW basically everyone, including pastors, think my upside Bible, received a day or two after me reading the Bible upside-down was also just a coincidence.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 8, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
'Show of presence'

Exclusive: Operation Excalibur in Los Angeles Was Show of Force
Today’s homeland security operation at the 35-acre MacArthur Park in the Westlake neighborhood of Los Angeles was a mere “show of presence,” internal Army documents I’ve obtained say. ICE and Customs agents, many dressed in military garb, assaulted the Park, which the documents describe as a hotbed of “historic lawlessness” and “the founding location of MS-13,” the Salvadoran gang.

The documents reveal that the erstwhile justification for the operation was to try to shut down the distribution of fake IDs. The mission of the 1st Squadron, 18th Cavalry is described as protecting DHS [Department of Homeland Security] “security points and blocking positions” while they undertook their assault. The Squadron was ordered not to “restrict pedestrian movement” and not to “conduct law enforcement activities.”)

Read on to find that the FBI is Coke, while the LAPD is Pepsi.

An administration at war with its own people.

Love365 · Jul 8, 2025

Is there something wrong with the original post?

CoreyD · Jul 8, 2025

Jeff Saunders said:
You ask if I believe in eternal destruction

I did not ask you that. No.
Quote me, and you will not see that question.

Love365 · Jul 8, 2025

They did an episode about the

One Big Beautiful Bill

River Jordan · Jul 8, 2025

Buzzard3 said:
If no one is aware of any use for the theory of common descent in medical or biological research, it's a fair guess that none exist.

Yes! It's one of the main ways geneticists figure out the functions of various genetic sequences.

essentialsaltes · Jul 8, 2025

'Show of presence'

Exclusive: Operation Excalibur in Los Angeles Was Show of Force

Today’s homeland security operation at the 35-acre MacArthur Park in the Westlake neighborhood of Los Angeles was a mere “show of presence,” internal Army documents I’ve obtained say. ICE and Customs agents, many dressed in military garb, assaulted the Park, which the documents describe as a hotbed of “historic lawlessness” and “the founding location of MS-13,” the Salvadoran gang.

The documents reveal that the erstwhile justification for the operation was to try to shut down the distribution of fake IDs. The mission of the 1st Squadron, 18th Cavalry is described as protecting DHS [Department of Homeland Security] “security points and blocking positions” while they undertook their assault. The Squadron was ordered not to “restrict pedestrian movement” and not to “conduct law enforcement activities.”)

Read on to find that the FBI is Coke, while the LAPD is Pepsi.

fide · Jul 8, 2025

Valletta said:
sorry - I clicked the wrong post to respond to! This was response to Jim R, post #10.

Just because the Church does not order us to not do something, is far from an endorsement to do it. Do you hear God telling you that you ought to do it? Did Jesus teach His disciples to do yoga?

I am reminded of the question in scripture about eating foods sacrificed to idols. Paul wrote:

1Co 8:4 Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that "an idol has no real existence," and that "there is no God but one."
1Co 8:5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"—
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
1Co 8:7 However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through being hitherto accustomed to idols, eat food as really offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
1Co 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.
1Co 8:9 Only take care lest this liberty of yours somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any one sees you, a man of knowledge, at table in an idol's temple, might he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols?
1Co 8:11 And so by your knowledge this weak man is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died.
1Co 8:12 Thus, sinning against your brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Therefore, if food is a cause of my brother's falling, I will never eat meat, lest I cause my brother to fall.

There seems to me to be a related issue here, in your insistence that you can separate the "food" of yoga, namely its value as an exercise, from the total non-Christian reality of Yoga, which is therefore idolatrous:

Yoga has deep spiritual roots that originate primarily in ancient Indian religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. These traditions used yoga as a means to achieve spiritual growth, meditation, and even enlightenment, blending practices of the body and mind.

God took very strongly the error of His People when they ate foods sacrificed to idols and fell into immorality. He warned them:

Exo 34:12 Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither you go, lest it become a snare in the midst of you.
Exo 34:13 You shall tear down their altars, and break their pillars, and cut down their Asherim
Exo 34:14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),
Exo 34:15 lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and when they play the harlot after their gods and sacrifice to their gods and one invites you, you eat of his sacrifice,
Exo 34:16 and you take of their daughters for your sons, and their daughters play the harlot after their gods and make your sons play the harlot after their gods.

And yet some in His Church did this very thing also:

Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice immorality.
Rev 2:15 So you also have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
Rev 2:16 Repent then. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth.

As. did others:

Rev 2:20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and beguiling my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will throw her on a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her doings;
Rev 2:23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.
Rev 2:24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay upon you any other burden;
Rev 2:25 only hold fast what you have, until I come.

Yes, better to hold fast to the Wisdom of God, than to seek the "food" of paganism.

Dan Perez · Jul 8, 2025

rocknanchor said:
Then having read it at least once in your lifetime, are you wanting me to seek the approval (proof of verse) of man or of God? If God, then let the Spirit lead in that instruction (Phil 3:15) ie; your points 2 and 3.

And Phil 3:15. did not help At all !
And 1 Cor 10:2 reads , And all were Baptized /. Baptize , unto Moses in. the Cloud and in the Sea !

# 1 The Greek word Water / Hydro. is. not in. the Greek text !!

# 2 What does the Cloud represent ?

# 3 And what does the Sea , represent ?

# 4. And how. were the thousands Jews be Baptized unto Moses. ?

dan p

Fervent · Jul 8, 2025

A New Dawn said:
The elect ARE the whosoever since nobody seeks God. I’m sorry that you have ripped literal pages out of your Bible. I’d tape John 6 back in first.

There you go with the false dilemma. It doesn't take seeking God to respond to God's seeking the lost. I haven't ripped any pages out of my Bible, I simply understand them in their proper context and not as theological proof texts. You malign God to fit in a theological box that makes Him into a moral monster and making a mockery of the gospel message by turning it into a false promise.

essentialsaltes · Jul 8, 2025

Seattle home potentially targeted in shooting due to 'political and ideological signs'

Police are investigating after multiple gunshots were fired into a home in Ballard early Sunday morning. The Seattle Police Department said the house was “potentially targeted due to political and ideological signs in the window of the residence.”

essentialsaltes · Jul 8, 2025

I.R.S. Says Churches Can Endorse Candidates From the Pulpit

In a court filing, the tax agency said a decades-old ban on campaigning by tax-exempt groups should not apply to houses of worship speaking to their own members.

The I.R.S. said on Monday that churches and other houses of worship can endorse political candidates to their congregations, carving out an exemption in a decades-old ban on political activity by tax-exempt nonprofits.

The agency made that statement in a court filing intended to settle a lawsuit filed by two Texas churches and an association of Christian broadcasters.

The agency said that if a house of worship endorsed a candidate to its congregants, the I.R.S. would view that not as campaigning but as a private matter, like “a family discussion concerning candidates.”

“Thus, communications from a house of worship to its congregation in connection with religious services through its usual channels of communication on matters of faith do not run afoul of the Johnson Amendment as properly interpreted,” the agency said, in a motion filed jointly with the plaintiffs.

The ban on campaigning by nonprofits is named after former President Lyndon B. Johnson, who introduced it as a senator in 1954. President Trump has repeatedly called for its repeal.

Per Wiki: The amendment was to a bill in the 83rd Congress, H.R. 8300, which was enacted into law as the Internal Revenue Code of 1954.

I gather this means churches can't run ads in the NYTimes with endorsements, but who knows, when decades old laws can be set aside.

KevinT · Jul 8, 2025

JSRG said:
If you're looking for "what is the Catholic teaching today", your best bet would probably be the Catechism of the Catholic Church. There's a few bits where the translation into English is a little iffy, but if one wants a (relatively) compact summary of modern Catholic thought on a particular issue--which at the end of each section provides an even more compact "in brief" section--I'm not sure there's any better source.

On the specific Sabbath/Sunday issue, that's covered in Part 3 Section 2 Chapter 1 Article 3 (wow, that's a lot of subsections), or specifically numbers 2168-2195. Rather annoyingly, this is split into several pages, but one can find the applicable portions on these four pages (the last page is the "in brief" section, which is summary of the preceding three, if one wants a quick summary).

Thank you @JSRG This was a very helpful link directly to the correct information.

I significantly disagree with the logic and conclusions written there, but I appreciate being able to read it directly for myself.

Best wishes,

KT

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