BrotherJJ said:

Metaphorically?
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

(PARSING: This verse cites, Tribes of Jacob = Israel & his children. Next 4 verses God breathed scripture clearly names Israel/Jacobs 12 sons/children.)

The saints that rise from the grave (after Jesus) in Matt 27:52-53 & are seen by many are OT elect.

Jesus rises then 50 days later comes the Acts 2 Pentecost, where the Church via the Holy Spirit outpouring in born. So, I don't see how 1 Cor 11:2, where Paul is speaking to believers in Corinth, is applicable to the OP.

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If you read what Paul said concerning the Jews or Israel, Romans 11:25 Blindness in part over Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles is added to the church. Currently we are in the time of the Gentiles. The church is the elect of the new covenant, the redeemed of the Earth, the first fruits. Revelation 7 cannot be physical Israel, it’s the church. Right now Israel is blinded along with the carnal world, a veil is spread over all nations, 2 Corinthians 3:14-16 Isaiah 25:6 Check the words redeemed, elect and first fruits in the concordance of the New Testament, all these words describe the church, not carnal Israel but spiritual Israel, the Israel of GOD. This seal on the forehead is protection from the great tribulation that is promised to the Philadelphia church in Revelation 3:10 that will be the faithful remnant on earth, those alive and remaining when Jesus returns.

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NxNW said:

Uncited?

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Ah yes, I see it now, all fuzzy, in the blue line.

NxNW said:

As you can see, the chart is by decade.

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Yes, I saw that.

Your source started with the 1930s.

The 1930s was a decade.

1933, and 1934, are within the same decade; so your source is debunked right out of the gate.

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You are neglecting the reality the mortgage had a rider that allowed her to rent out the property ("including short term rentals") as long as SHE is renting herself and not a property management org.

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Why the Trump DOJ would even still try to indict her is just flat out vindictive absurdity.

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Thanks, for posting the 2nd Home Rider. It allows you to easily see where she broke the law, within her niece's timeframe of living there.

Do you have some paperwork verifying she didn't commit crime with the Brooklyn home she misrepresented?

essentialsaltes said:

What facts support that it was used as a rental property?

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Her niece.
And the amount of time the niece was there, is what puts Big Tish in violation of the 2nd Home Rider.

Indiana governor says he’ll help primary Republicans who defied Trump on redistricting​

“I am very disappointed that a small group of misguided State Senators have partnered with Democrats to reject this opportunity to protect Hoosiers with fair maps and to reject the leadership of President Trump. Ultimately, decisions like this carry political consequences,” Braun wrote in a post on the social platform X.

DaisyDay said:

You don't seem to have a clear idea of what Trump was successfully prosecuted for either. Uuuuh, something to do with banks and real estate?

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Yes, I do.
She is doing of the same concept of "banks and real estate" fraud that she charged Trump with.

Factotum said:

Here's the crime

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Those are the allegations, but you said you had facts. What was the property used for?

Factotum said:

• A house in Norfolk, Virginia, purchased in 2020 and a second property bought in 2023.. The core of the federal criminal charges relate to the 2020 purchase, where prosecutors allege she falsely claimed the home would be a secondary residence to obtain a specific type of loan, while actually using it as a rental property.

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What facts support that it was used as a rental property?

I think I only recently answered these questions. Nevertheless, I'll give it a go again.

I'm a big fan of GE Ladd, and share his brand of Postrib Premill. There are some areas I've disagreed with his positions, but are insignificant compared with how I've valued his contributions.

Yes, Revelation is filled with symbolism. I think the genre relates to the fact that God wanted His People to somewhat hide their positions towards the ungodly world in order to not mislead them to conclude our atttitude is hateful. Also, keeping things in symbols and parables gives enemies less ammunition to go after us.

The 2 major Postrib authors in my era were Ladd and Rober Gundry. Gundry takes some views that assumes some Dispensationalistic ideas are true, such as the future of Israel. But both men were non-Dispensationalist Postribulationists.

Ladd did see how Jesus applied his Gospel of the Kingdom as something that is immediately effective in our time, even though it speaks of a future Kingdom. I would not call the present impact of the Kingdom any sense of being the actual *future Kingdom.* But God's Kingdom eternally exists, past, present, and future. As such, God's judgments are always active, even though in the future human civilization will reach a place of final judgment.

timothyu said:

Ironically, if the rich were to spread their wealth among all the poor, they would have it back again in no time. Even the poor (unless in spirit) have no concept of how to beat the system.

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When we attended Calvary Chapel of Honolulu in the early 90s, the pastor had done a couple of things that worked together. One, he had established a "widows and single mother's list" to make sure he had an answer for the Lord when asked, "How did you care for widows and fatherless children." That wasn't a list for financial handouts, it was a list of women deemed especially vulnerable to many kinds of calamities in life who could be expected to need some attention from time to time. For instance, when we got a hurricane alert, the men in the congregation had the assignment to get them moved to safety if they were in an evacuation zone or help them get their houses secured otherwise. Then we checked on their welfare after the storm. Basically, as though we were attentive sons and brothers.

The pastor had also urged everyone in the congregation to pray for the Holy Spirit to alert us to our excess resources of any kind as well as our needs and make them known to the elder. He said, "Every member has a resource, every member has a need." An "excess resource" might be a young person with extra time or an empty nest couple who had an empty room to spare for an emergency.

So, we had one member who owned a Chevron service station with three service bays. The Holy Spirit had instructed him to volunteer a service bay once Saturday a month, paying for any parts or supplies needed to service cars in that bay that day. His chief mechanic volunteered his labor for the day. Some of us who were decent shade tree mechanics (as well as a couple of professional mechanics) also volunteered our services.

The pastor thought that was an excellent use for the widows and single mother's list, in that automobile breakdowns were a big problem for such women. So, all the women on the list were scheduled for quarterly service work. They just had to bring their cars in, and we would provide whatever service was needed.

The station owner said that he expected to consider the cost of the bay and services as a donation to the church. But he said in the first year as he calculated finances...he hadn't lost any money at all. In fact, his overall business had increased more than enough to cover the cost.

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Of course they don't mention baptism. Baptists always love to go to all passages of Scripture that don't teach anything about baptism and children whatsoever and try to prove who should or should not be baptized.

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I'm not a Baptist -

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Strange way of doing exegesis.

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No - it is proper exegesis. Speaking of a specific topic bring exegetical evidence of that specific topic.

Sorry you do not like the answer

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Kinda like going to passages of Scripture that only teach end time theology and say....we should not pray because all these passages of Scripture don't mention prayer. Strange.

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Yes, that comment is very strange because I did nothing of the sort -

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Our main rule for interpreting Scripture is: CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. We only use passages of Scripture that teach something about baptism and children mentioned contextually together. Are there passages of Scripture in the NT that mention children and baptism contextually together? Of course there are.

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Where?

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Baptists use strange hermenuetics in order to explain away baptism including infants altogether.

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Again - I am not a Baptist -

Apple Sky said:

Now why would I do that ?

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You just have.
Read the conversation:

Strong in Him said:

You realise that you've given details of Freemasons who went to the moon - even though you're denying that anyone has been to the moon.

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Apple Sky said:

Well someone has to expose them for what they are.

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Strong in Him said:

People who went to the moon, you mean.

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Apple Sky said:

Of course.

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I also asked why you would write a list of astronauts who were Freemasons and who went to the moon, if your argument is that no one has ever been to the moon.
Saying that no one ever went to the moon, but that the 6th person to walk on the moon was a Freemason, is nonsense.

Michie said:

Almost 500 years after the appearance of Our Lady of Guadalupe — whose feast the Church celebrates Dec. 12 — the image of Our Lady has become the subject of several popular myths and legends, especially in Mexico, where she appeared.

Father Eduardo Chávez, a priest of the Archdiocese of Mexico, was the postulator for Juan Diego’s canonization and is a renowned expert on the apparitions. He is also director of the Institute for Guadalupan Studies.

Speaking to ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner, in 2019, Chávez separated fact from fiction.

Is it true the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe has the same temperature as a human body?​

Continued below.

Fact or fiction? 9 popular myths about Our Lady of Guadalupe

In the almost 500 years since Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared, her image has become the subject of several popular myths and legends, especially in Mexico.

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I find Our Lady of Guadalupe fascinating. We have a nearby Mexican restaurant that has her picture on the wall and below, a small indoor waterfall. I love it and look at it every time we go in there.

Jan001 said:

Other views:

AI summary:
In the biblical context, particularly in Romans 11, the root of the olive tree is understood to be the Abrahamic covenant and its foundational promises, which are intrinsically linked to God's faithfulness and the patriarch Abraham. The root symbolizes the source of spiritual blessing and holiness, from which the branches—both natural (ethnic Israel) and grafted-in (Gentile believers)—derive their nourishment and spiritual life. Some interpretations identify the root as God Himself, AIwith Christ as the trunk, and the branches representing those who follow God through Christ, emphasizing that the holiness of the root ensures the holiness of the branches. The root is described as holy, and because of this, the branches partake in its sanctity and fruitfulness. This imagery underscores the continuity of God's covenantal plan, where the spiritual blessings flow from the original promises made to Abraham and are ultimately fulfilled in Christ.

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I agree with AI . It’s what I wrote above in my reply.

Jan001 said:

These extrabiblical narratives are not actually Scripture; otherwise, they would have been included in the canons. The early church fathers, with the help of the Holy Spirit, determined which of the many early church writings were Scripture and which were not.

If the preterist view is the correct view:

If this man of sin lived in the first century AD., he was most likely John of Gischala.

AI summary: The "man of sin" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is a figure associated with the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, according to preterist interpretations. One prominent candidate is John of Gischala, a Jewish Zealot leader who rose to power during the Great Revolt against Rome. He is believed to have fulfilled the prophecy by throwing off the Mosaic Law, inciting civil war, famine, and crime in Jerusalem, and positioning himself as a despotic ruler who symbolically and literally "took his seat in the Temple of God," exalting himself over the Temple’s objects of worship. His actions are seen as aligning with the description of the man of sin who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God.

It seems to me that these Thessalonians and the other first-century Christians could have been the intended audience for the actual fulfillment of the following:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, 12 so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Is the breath of his mouth actually the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Does his appearing and his coming mean the appearance and the power of the Roman armies? Luke 21:20

It seems to me that it is St. Michael, the archangel, who will bind the final antichrist and false prophet and cast them into the lake of fire. St. Michael is of the same angelic hierarchy as Satan, and so he will defeat Satan at the sound of the last trumpet.

So much fun to speculate!

What is important, though, is to ask ourselves, "Am I ready to meet the Lord right now?" If our answer is "no," then we need to repent and confess our sins so that Jesus will forgive us and we will become God's friend once again.

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It would seem that if Jesus destroys the man of sin who sets in the temple declaring himself GOD then this event couldn’t have happened in 70 AD but rather at the future second advent. Since the second temple was destroyed in 70AD then this couldn’t be the second temple at the return of Jesus, it would have to be a third temple built sometime in the future.

essentialsaltes said:

...What was the property used for?

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Here's the conduct which @DaisyDay and a few others mightve appreciated. Norfolk home is in violation of the 2nd Home Rider clause

• A house in Norfolk, Virginia, purchased in 2020 and a second property bought in 2023.. The core of the federal criminal charges relate to the 2020 purchase, where prosecutors allege she falsely claimed the home would be a secondary residence to obtain a specific type of loan, while actually using it as a rental property.
• A five-family property in Brooklyn, New York, which she purchased in 2001. It is alleged that for over two decades, she consistently misrepresented the building as having four units or less in mortgage documents and building permit applications to meet conforming loan requirements and secure better interest rates.

wing2000 said:

...you question their motives because you don't like their decision.

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No, I question their motives because the evidence didn't change from the 1st indictment.

Like i said earlier here.... If you watch me buy 5 homes in 23yrs where you then ask me each time, "are you using the property for generating revenue/commercial purposes or for your private residence you'll live in?" And each time I tell you, "its my private residence to live in", then...
I should not get stand there after 30yrs, get caught, and then say, "OH, I thought each time I had told you how I really meant to say that I'd be using the homes to rent out to tenants. I'm sorry if I forgot to tell you that."

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Rowley said:

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Yes he sidetracked the issue to violence rather than over a change of ruling ideals. The creeping in of a new culture that in a democracy can eventually become the ruling one. Some are afraid to acknowledge this simple fact for fear of being called bigots. Yet this Empire did the same in the past wherever they went. Why is it so hard to admit it could be done to them also, to reap what they have sown? And the US is certainly not free of the same.

World war

Those dumb protesters. Everyone knows it's the "Gazpacho."

timewerx said:

Yet many Christians believe God makes people rich but in order to make this happen, some must become poor.

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Ironically, if the rich were to spread their wealth among all the poor, they would have it back again in no time. Even the poor (unless in spirit) have no concept of how to beat the system.

essentialsaltes said:

MCGA!

For 1st time since trade war, Canada exported more than it imported​

The Canadian economy achieved a trade surplus for the first time since the U.S. trade war began, as exports rebounded and imports fell in September, according to Statistics Canada.

The agency adds that export to countries other than the United States rose sharply by 11 per cent in the same month — and that while exports to the U.S. increased, imports from there dropped

“It seems to suggest that the trade flow with the United States is beginning to stabilize,” [trade economist] said, adding that the trend of diversification from the U.S. is also continuing.

Invisible hand says what?

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From Statistics Canada:

Exports to the United States increase​

Exports to the United States were up 4.6% in September, partly due to higher exports of aircraft, light trucks and unwrought gold. Meanwhile, imports from the United States declined 1.7% in September, a third consecutive monthly decrease. Canada's trade surplus with the United States widened from $6.0 billion in August to $8.6 billion in September, the largest surplus since February 2025.​

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More exports to the US.
Less imports from the US.
Widening trade surplus.
Wasn't this suppose to go the other way around under Trump?

Oompa Loompa said:

What are you talking about?

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Check your notifications about your other thread.

Oompa Loompa said:

Yes. Start off with garbage, and a reasonable person would assume the rest is garbage built on top of garbage.

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MCGA!

For 1st time since trade war, Canada exported more than it imported​

The Canadian economy achieved a trade surplus for the first time since the U.S. trade war began, as exports rebounded and imports fell in September, according to Statistics Canada.

The agency adds that export to countries other than the United States rose sharply by 11 per cent in the same month — and that while exports to the U.S. increased, imports from there dropped

“It seems to suggest that the trade flow with the United States is beginning to stabilize,” [trade economist] said, adding that the trend of diversification from the U.S. is also continuing.

Invisible hand says what?