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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

I did not find conflicting passages, or seemingly conflicting passages, for this. It is your interpretation that has some conflict. So the issue to resolve is yours. My understanding is completely consistent with it shown that God is love. God's care is not limited. Nothing of God is limited. That includes justice. So it is that Christ came, and Christ is the way, with repentant faith. It is what it is. God not being limited does have knowledge without limit, but our choices are not negated by God's unlimited knowledge.
Sorry, the overwhelming amount of scripture devoted to the fact that salvation is not for all, vs. the few that speaks more to the nature of God’s heart rather than them being the deciding factor in salvation and outliers to the rest of God’s plan for salvation means that they are just as I claim. God wishes, because we are all God’s creation, that we could all come to salvation, but we are not all God’s children. And salvation is only for God’s children (the elect).
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Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

Next episode is still expected this week, perhaps as soon as tomorrow. No lava has been seen yet, but the magma is building up in the vent tubes with persistent surface glow. (The inflation measures are also now favorable.)

Here is a somewhat grainy image of a rainy, pre-sunrise look across the crater to the glowing vent openings.

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You can see how high the vent openings are on the crater wall relative to the "floor". (The mound behind them to the left was built in this eruption.) They started not just on the current floor but about 60-80 m lower.
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Degrees of Deliverance

If J. B. Stoney were alive today he could defend his point of view. But for me, it is hard to get past this obviously misinformed first paragraph.
Hi NLIC, and thanks for your reply! It's my understanding that he is referring to reborn-newbies, which require much time to learn at the appreciation level of those who are mature in the Lord Jesus. There are many things to learn for the Christian, none at the outset have the maturity (but should desire maturity) they will have in the time it takes to learn maturity in Christ; which for the present even many in Christ are yet immature concerning the Word.

It takes all "babes-in-Christ" much time to mature, even though they presently have "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" and "all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." As all who are mature, they just need to appropriate everything in time, if they want to mature. But many lack the desire for what it takes to become a mature Christian. Fortunately immaturity does effect one's salvation, just their growth in their faith! Salvation doesn't admit in degrees but faith does.
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Low-Income Americans Switch Allegiance From Trump

Did you not read your link?

From the link:
Across this series of polls conducted through web‑based interviews, Trump’s approval among low-income voters ranged from a low of 34 percent to a high of 38 percent. Disapproval consistently sat in the mid‑50s to low‑60s.

Support from low-income groups is not collapsing; it is eroding. In one year, it eroded nearly 20 percent. Do you think Trump can turn things around?
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Marriage of Convience

Good observations, When I read the history of marriage, it seems that thru the centuries there have been many reasons to marry. To keep a kingly line going, so cement business associations, for love. Thru much of history it was a union that really helped people life, a division of labor, the jobs that took more strength (plowing a field) and interaction with nature and other groups of people(trading) and the live stock, crops and house chores.

I've heard of so many marriages that over the years just become friends.

Marriage itself has changed from who authorized the marriage, thru early history it was the family patriarch that defined who married who. Then the church said they were the ones who authorized marriage. Finally, in the 1500 the government became the ones authorizing marriage. Thru this whole period there were couple who just said forget all that and decided for themselves who they lived with and under what worked fro them! So despite the church saying there is one way marriage should be done, it's never worked that way.
That's not to mention all the other ways genders have done relationships thru the years.
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Christianity, the Sabbath, Ten Comm, from Eden onward

I do not beleive Paul is constantly contradicting himself and Christ and teaching we are released from the law that is holy and defines sin Rom7:7 which leads in the wrong direction Rom7:23 Rom6:16 Rom6:23 Heb10:26-30, but beleive as you wish.
Paul contradicts your interpretation not himself. His writings are inspired scripture. I know you don’t like Paul.
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Pro-democracy Hong Kong tycoon/newspaper owner Jimmy Lai convicted in high-profile national security trial

Media tycoon Jimmy Lai sentenced to 20 years in Hong Kong

Lai was found guilty on charges of sedition and conspiracy to collude with foreign forces. He had pleaded not guilty.

It is the harshest sentence delivered to anyone under the sweeping national security law since Beijing introduced it as part of crackdowns in 2020.

The sentence has been widely condemned by human rights groups, with Human Rights Watch calling the length of the sentence "effectively a death sentence." [Lai is 78]

Amnesty International said it was "another grim milestone in Hong Kong’s transformation from a city governed by the rule of law to one ruled by fear."

Meanwhile, Beijing and Hong Kong officials welcomed the penalty, with Hong Kong’s leader John Lee saying Lai deserved the 20-year prison sentence for his "evil deeds."
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Trump was on Lolita Express much more often than previously reported

It's not the whodunit that one may think. See the folks keep thinking that someone who is adulterous is automatically a pedophile. They are 2 very different behaviors if you open up an abnormal psych text. That goes for Clinton is well. Pedofilia is a much different problem & frankly I don't think Trump or Clinton fit that bill. The reason why it's played up so much is because the people are acting on emotion, not cogent arguments. They want it to be true. Now we do know that some of the victims have already received a payout. If there was an unusually young female, I doubt very much that 25 years later they would remember any particular details.
So as long as it’s not pedophilia, by which you presumably mean here sex with anyone under 18, it’s really OK? If that’s your standard then Bill was cool too. Maybe. Then nothing sordid happened.
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Can only a Milky-way type of galaxy hold life at this age of the universe?

The only point was that the spiral design and effect of galaxies means that the stars etc are spiraling down to the center of the galaxy or spiraling outward from the center and not hop scotching around from spiral arm to spiral arm as old age macro-evolutionists purport.
Just like water circling a drain, right?
Very scientific.
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If anyone may keep My word, he may not see death—throughout the age...

Peace in Christ.

“Into the age” in several verses found in John is in the Greek manuscripts but is not translated whatsoever in most Bible translations (such as the KJV).

"into the age" = Greek: eis ton aiona.

In John 8:51, "into the age" (or "to the age") in some literal translations refers to a temporary state, meaning those who keep Jesus' word won't "see death for this age," , for this age we are currently living in, highlighting a significant difference from translations who just say "never see death" without including “into the age”.

If we keep His saying, we shall never see death (mortal death) but shall continue to live here “into the age.” We shall have an age-lasting life (aka “eternal life”.)

John 8:51 KJV
(51) Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death (INTO THE AGE).

Most of the “literal” translations include it though:

Literal Standard Version
truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone may keep My word, he may not see death—throughout the age.”

He gives (present tense) us an age-lasting life so that we shall never perish (our mortal bodies will not be destroyed) but shall be living INTO THE AGE.

John 10:27-28 KJV
(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

(28) And I give (present tense) unto them eternal (AGE-LASTING) life; and they shall never perish (INTO THE AGE), neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Literal Standard Version
and I give continuous life to them, and they will not perish—throughout the age, and no one will snatch them out of My hand;

The Lord is the Lord of both the dead and the living.

John 11:23-26
(23) Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

“AT” or "IN"…the Greek word “ἐν”.... is NOT a textual variant here in verse 24. The dead….even though they believed in Christ but mortally died…shall live again. They shall be resurrected AT the last day. The first shall be last in the resurrection.

(24) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The “dead” who believed in Christ shall be raised to life again AT the last day.

They believed in Christ as the Son of God but they listened to false prophets who led them astray from the path that leads to His life (an age-lasting life).

They were sown in dishonor. They were sown in weakness. They were sown in corruption. They died mortally in such a way.

Yet, they will live as they will be raised in glory. They will be raised in power. They will be raised incorruptible. All this is to be done to the "dead" AT the last day of this age when the last enemy (DEATH) is destroyed. The resurrection of the dead. Though they had mortally died (perished), they shall live as they will be resurrected AT the last day of this age. The Lord is Lord of both the DEAD (who mortally died without having an age-lasting life) and the LIVING (who shall never die throughout this age).

(25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

But the “LIVING” shall never die….INTO THE AGE. They shall not mortally die (perish) but shall have an age-lasting life TO THE last day of this age where their mortal bodies shall then be changed into immortal. They will have circumvented death completely in Christ.

(26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die (INTO THE AGE). Believest thou this?

Water Baptism vs Spiritual Baptism

John the Baptist's purpose & baptism were preparatory, not remissive. His repeatedly stated mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1, Matt 3:3, Mark 1:2–3). His "baptism of repentance" was a call for Israel to return to God (Strong’s H7725 — https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7725.htm)—an outward & inward cleansing that prepared the people to meet their long‑promised Messiah who alone would forgive sins. John, Jesus & Peter spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where "repent" meant: ISRAEL return to GOD! Not the later Greek idea of "change your mind."

Acts 19:4 confirms this: "John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."
(NOTE: John preached to ISRAEL, "You're off course repent/return & believe in the 1 coming after me," Messiah, who alone will/can remit & pardon sins.)

John's water baptism did not remove or remit sin. "Nothing external removes sin." Israel's sacrificial system dealt with sin only by covering it. It did not remove or forgive sin. Once a year the high priest offered innocent animal blood sacrifices for the whole nation, but these sacrifices only covered sin & only for 1 year. The process had to be repeated annually..

Water baptism does not remit or pardon sin. Repentance does not remit or pardon sin. Obedience does not remit or pardon sin. Sabbath observance does not remit or pardon sin. Tithing does not remit or pardon sin. "Nothing external removes sin."

What removes sin, how & why:
Only faith & faith alone-placed in the finished, sin‑redeeming death & resurrection of the Lord Jesus-brings forgiveness. All glory, all credit, all praise belongs to our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ.

The Word became flesh (Jn 1:1, 14 & Rev 19:13), born of a woman (Gal 4:4) by the Holy Spirit (Matt 1:18-25 & Luke 1:26-38). His humanity was real & His blood was sinless (2 Cor 5:21; Heb 4:15; 1 Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 1:19; 1 Pet 2:22).

Scripture is clear: "Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22). Jesus said, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matt 26:28). Revelation affirms the same: He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Hebrews identifies the Lord Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10). Under the Old Covenant, the pattern was sin-imputation by the high priest. In Leviticus 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation, transferring-imputing-those sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Jesus is the mediator of the New Testament (Heb 9:15 & 12:24), our great High Priest (Heb 4:14) & the One who offered Himself as the sacrifice (Matt 26:53). The risen Christ is the New Covenant High Priest who performs the real sin-transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He places His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13–14; 4:30; 2 Cor 1:22; 5:5; 2 Tim 1:14) indwelling Holy Spirit in you.

Anyone can dunk someone into a pool of water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart of man, can baptize-place-His Holy Spirit in-you. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21, Ja 2:23 & Isa 61:10), the very righteousness pictured as the white robe in Revelation 19:7–8 that grants us entrance to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Finally:
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is faith placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
Yes John was under the old covenant, and like all the diverse washings and carnal ordinances they were imposed upon them until the time of reformation. We also know that without the shedding of blood their is no remission of sins. So to dunk under water did not remit sins. If they were repentant towards God in their hearts they could be forgiven based upon the work of Christ in time. This is similar to when the lamb was sacrificed in the temple. The lamb represented Christ death for their sins in the future. But they had to sacrifice the lamb and confess sin etc God would recognize their faith and give life. But the lamb was a old testament type and shadow of the reality in Christ that has already come.

7. Johns water baptism was for a specific reason and it was to cease. Jesus water baptism was to fulfilled all righteousness and manifest himself to Isreal. This was connected to an old testament story also, taking place in the Jordan river. Jesus fulfilled this.

We read in the book of Matthew John’s own words about his baptism, “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:” (Matthew 3:11). John was commissioned for this purpose in part and he was still under the law and the Old Covenant. John didn’t come to institute a ritual for the New Covenant, but to go before Jesus to prepare the way for Him who would bring in a New Covenant. It is worth noting that John himself was not baptized with water as far we can tell.
The New Covenant was not like the old one as many verses show in the bible, the Old Covenant had many symbols, forms, shadows and many ordinances, which “could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience...” (Hebrews 9:9). But Johns water baptism was in the same administration as many of the Old Covenant rituals and laws. His ministry could not purify the heart any more than any of those Old Testament rituals and shadows could. The conscience can not be made perfect or cleansed by outward ordinances, but only through the blood of Christ (Hebrews 9:14).
Johns water baptism, like the many other diverse washings and carnal ordinances was for the “time then present”. Which was “ready to vanish away” (Hebrews 8:13). John said that Jesus ministration is mightier than his (Matthew 3:11), showing that his ministry was not part of, or of the same administration as Jesus ministry for the New Covenant.
John was sent to do a certain work at that time, and when he finished the work Jesus would baptize believers with the Holy Ghost in the near future. John desired to be baptized of Jesus as he said “... I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?” (Matthew 3:14). Jesus baptism with the Holy Ghost was not yet come, and he himself baptized none in water, because that was not Jesus ministry.
The reason Jesus himself was baptized in water in the Jordan was not for his own sin, for he had no sin as scripture teaches (Hebrews 4:15). But he told them clearly, “And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.” Matthew 3:15. Notice here that Jesus was fulfilling all righteousness, this was part of his reason for being water baptism. Jesus fulfilled the whole law for us, he did everything for us. He also told John that this was “for now” implying that the water baptism of John would not need to continue later. But for now this was needed. And he said right after, that all righteousness had to be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law, implying he completed what was to be done.
Jesus was also baptised to manifest himself to Israel, as we read, “And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.” (John 1:31). This was a main reason why John was sent by God to baptise with water, for this manifestation of Jesus to Israel, and to bear record of Jesus as the Son of God, “And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” John 1:32-34.
In Johns water baptism ministry, we do not read that it was to continue into the New Testament. We do see the apostles water baptizing also following Johns example it would seem, but we read that Jesus baptized none himself (John 4:2). So it is clear that water baptism was not the baptism Jesus came to give and it was not the saving baptism either.
John the baptist himself implied that his own ministry was to cease when he said,“He must increase, but I must decrease.” (John 3:30). Implying that his whole ministry would decrease and end, and give place to Jesus baptism with the Holy Ghost. Remember that Johns baptism was still under the law and belonged to the Old Covenant.
This ending of Johns water baptism ministry was spoken of by John and implied when he said that he baptized (past tense) with water but Jesus would, [in the future) baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire (Matthew 3:11).
Jesus himself speaks of Johns water baptism as past and ending when he says, after his death and resurrection, “ For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” (Acts 1:5) . Notice that Jesus said “John indeed baptised [PAST TENSE] with water, BUT ye shall [FUTURE TENSE] be baptised with the Holy Ghost. Jesus appears to be saying here that Johns water baptism, was ended and was past making way for the Spirit Baptism.
This goes in line with the whole tenor of the spiritual worship God requires and the New Covenant, which is to worship God in spirit and in truth. The New Testament is not a setting up of rituals and ordinacnes and shadows as the Old Testament, but a reality in Christ in spirit and truth a new and living way, “...he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away” (Hebrews 8:13).
The New Covenant and understanding is a body of believers that have Christ as their head, a spiritual house, a spiritual priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, spiritual worship, spiritual songs by Christ (Colossians 2:10,19, 1 Peter 2:5, Romans 12:1, John 4:23, Colossians 3:16) and who are part of his body (Colossians 1:24), baptized into that body by one Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13). They are truly baptized into Christ and in the power of the Holy Ghost and have put on Christ. Not living in shadows and outward ordinances and types, but in the reality, “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.” (Romans 14:17).
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Is Your Faith Growing More and More?

“We ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters, and rightly so, because your faith is growing more and more, and the love all of you have for one another is increasing. Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring.” (2 Thessalonians 1:3-4 NIV)

What is faith, in this biblical context? What does this faith look like, in word and in deed? Well, the word “faith” means “persuasion.” In this case, since it is faith in Jesus Christ, it is the divine persuasion of God as to our sinfulness, of God’s righteousness, and of our need to repent of (turn from, die to) sin, by the grace of God, and to commit our lives to following our Lord in walks of obedience to his commands, empowered by God. We believe God and his Word, and so we surrender to God and we obey the teachings he has for us.

So, if we who believe in Jesus are increasing in faith, what should that look like? Well, the more that we know God and what God has for us to be and to do, because we want to know and to do his will, because we are studying the Scriptures in their correct biblical context, the more we should be obeying him in doing his will. We should be maturing in our walks of faith on a daily basis, becoming more and more like Jesus in godly character and in doing and speaking the kinds of things he did and that he spoke to people.

We should be stepping out of our comfort zones more and more, even more willing to speak truth to the people, many of whom we know will not listen to us, and some of whom will mock us, laugh at us, disregard us as crazy, and otherwise just ignore us because they think that we are religious fanatics of some kind. And some of them may rebuke us, and treat us like trash, and lie about us, and treat us with disdain and abuse. But know they treated Jesus and his New Testament apostles and the prophets before them the same.

But Christian persecution isn’t just about attacks on us and on our character because of what we believe and put into practice. But this about attacks on the truth of the gospel of our salvation. This is about people falsely claiming to believe in Jesus and to speak the truth of the gospel who are, in reality, “wolves in sheep’s clothing,” out to steal, kill, and destroy, not only the people of God, but the message of the gospel of our salvation. And so they teach the Scriptures out of context, and they speak lies disguised as truth.

So they teach God’s grace as free license to continue living in deliberate and habitual sin against God, only now without feelings of guilt. And they teach that, even if you are living in deliberate and habitual sin, that you can just “claim who you are in Christ” to relieve any feelings of guilt. But we are not “in Christ” by lip service only. “In Christ” means we have died with Christ to sin and we are now walking in obedience to his commands, by the grace of God, in practice. So don’t believe the lies! Believe God’s Word (in context).

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Acts 26:18]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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