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d taylor · Wednesday at 7:47 AM

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Well looks like this site is dying anyway, so it may end up being just about 20 people arguing over politics.

I mean without a few posters bombing the site with 10+ new threads daily. There are really not many new threads started.

rocknanchor · Wednesday at 5:51 AM

FredVB said:
Living for God will always have us involving others.

Quite certain, my support of the spiritual witness and NT pastoral stewardship are now known. IMO, if any deliberately opposes the acknowledgement of these, all fellowship is sub-biblical.

timf · Wednesday at 4:26 AM

I learn more on my own at home. Do I feel guilty? No.

There is a web site for people who have had bad church experiences or may not even be familiar with Christianity.

Feel free to use whatever may be of interest. The blog archive can be interesting.

Christian Pioneer

Gunny · Wednesday at 2:21 AM

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Christsfreeservant · Wednesday at 2:18 AM

Psalm 46:1-3 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)

“1God is our refuge and strength,

an ever-present help in times of trouble.

2Therefore we will not fear,

though the earth is transformed

and the mountains are toppled

into the depths of the seas,

3though their waters roar and foam

and the mountains quake in the surge.

Selah”

If we are followers of Jesus Christ who walk with him in obedience to his commands, and who follow him wherever he leads us in doing and in saying all of what he has for us to do and to say and to be, we should not fear when troubles come upon us. We should not be afraid when people reject us or persecute us or do evil against us. We should not fear loneliness and loss of friends or life. But we must make the Lord our refuge and strength, and we must turn to him for help and guidance in times of trouble and distress.

And then on a broader scale, when government heads go to war with other nations, and they kill the innocent in order to overtake them, to conquer them, and when the actions of our leaders impact the people financially and healthwise, and the poor keep getting poorer, while the rich keep getting richer, and the elderly cannot afford housing and food because the prices of everything have gotten so high, we are not to fear if we are being impacted by these moves and decisions being made for us by others who gain from it.

And then if where we live suffers a severe storm and/or flooding and/or fire and/or hurricane winds which destroy our land and our homes, and which kill members of our families or our friends and neighbors, and which leave us destitute with nowhere to go, we must turn to the Lord for our refuge and strength to help us through the storm and to give us wisdom and endurance to know what steps to take next. Now, so far, I have not yet had to face something this severe, but that does not mean that it won’t ever happen.

Psalm 46:4-7 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)

“4There is a river whose streams delight the city of God,

the holy place where the Most High dwells.

5God is within her; she will not be moved.

God will help her when morning dawns.

6Nations rage, kingdoms crumble;

the earth melts when He lifts His voice.

7The LORD of Hosts is with us;

the God of Jacob is our fortress.

Selah”

This is not speaking here of a literal river of water but more metaphorically of the river of life which is of a spiritual nature and not physical. It is the kingdom of God and of his righteousness and our salvation and eternal life with God and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which we receive by biblical faith in Jesus Christ. And we who believe in Jesus Christ are that city of God where God dwells, i.e. the church, the body of Christ, the temple of God, i.e. biblical Israel comprised of all who are of faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord.

God is with us who are with him in spirit and in truth. He is with us who have believed in Jesus Christ and who thus, by his grace and in his power, have denied self, died to sin, and who are walking (in conduct, in practice) in obedience to our Lord’s commands. God will help us who will cooperate with him in his workings in our lives and who will follow him wherever he leads us. So, when nations rage and kingdoms crumble, which they are doing, we can survive the onslaught against us in the power of God who is our fortress.

Psalm 46:10 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)

10“Be still and know that I am God;

I will be exalted among the nations,

I will be exalted over the earth.”

In everything we face in this life, no matter what tribulations we are up against, if we are with God in living holy lives, pleasing to him, in his service, and thus our trust is in him, we have no reason to fear what we are now facing or what is yet to come. We know that more evil is coming because we can see it coming, and because the Scriptures warn us about the last days, what they will look like, and we can see the reality of those warnings in our present world. But we are to be sill and know that God is God.

We are to be still and not fret or worry but to put our trust in the Lord, believing that he will see us through it all. But please know this is not a promise that we will not have to suffer. The Scriptures warn us that we will have to suffer as Christ suffered, and he was harassed, rejected, forsaken, persecuted and arrested on false charges and given a mock trial, and he was beaten and mocked and spat upon and then nailed to a cross to die. But if our trust is in the Lord, he will carry us through it all to the finish line.

[Matthew 5:10-12; Matthew 10:16-25,34-39; Matthew 24:9-14; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 12:49-53; Luke 21:12-17; John 15:18-21; John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 5:3-5; 2 Corinthians 1:3-11; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 3:7-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:1-5; Hebrews 12:3-12; James 1:2-4; 1 Peter 1:6-7; 1 Peter 4:12-17; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 7:9-17; Revelation 11:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 13:1-18; Revelation 14:1-13]

God is Our Refuge and Strength
An Original Work / July 29, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

God is With Us

Based off Psalm 46
An Original Work / June 11, 2019
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

God’s our refuge. He is our strength,
A present help to us when in pain.
Therefore, we will not be afraid,
Although the earth beneath us gives way.

Though the mountains be moved to the sea,
Roaring waters abound so free,
And the mountains now tremble so,
We will not fear, God is near, we know.

God is with us and He makes glad
The hearts of all who to Christ have fled.
Christ is in us, so we’ll not fall
When on our Savior our hearts do call.

God will help us, as mornings arise,
To be faithful to His design.
Nations raging, and tempers flare.
Our God is with us. We know He cares.

Come and see the works of the Lord.
He’s armed for battle with His great sword.
He’s the Word, and He is the Life.
He gives us strength in all of our strife.

Be still and know that He is our God.
He’s exalted where’er He trods.
The Lord Almighty, with us still;
The God of Jacob, our citadel.

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Gunny · Wednesday at 2:08 AM

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JohnClay · Wednesday at 1:56 AM

On the topic of generative AI videos that are becoming indistinguishable from reality:
"like I said there have been experts that have been tripped up so many times recently with this kind of stuff"

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So even the experts are having trouble... and it is from 9 months ago which is somewhat outdated now. Also some people are thinking that real videos were actually AI.

Unqualified · Wednesday at 12:57 AM

Col 3:10

linux.poet · Wednesday at 12:38 AM

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Vambram · Tuesday at 11:54 PM

Radical DSA Candidate Running for Governor of Wisconsin ‘Does Not Recall’ Saying She Wants to Abolish the Senate – Twitter/X Users Bring Receipts * The Gateway Pundit * by Mike LaChance

Francesca Hong is a far left DSA candidate running for governor of Wisconsin.

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RabbiJames · Tuesday at 11:46 PM

DEUT 3:23-7:11 "V'et'Chanan" (and I pleaded)

Moshe continues to retell the experiences of his life to “Am Israel” as the end of his life is nearing. He is like a father on his deathbed, and causes all of his children to come near and listen to their father’s experiences, or rather “all” of their experiences

“V’et ‘Chanan l’Adonai” begins Moshe, “I pleaded to YHVH…” on the account of entering into the promised land. As we remember, Moshe, in anger and had struck the “Rock” (Selah), and yet water still came forth because of the mercy of Adonai; now Moshe pleads for mercy; the word “chanun” is a form of the Hebrew “mercy”. One Israeli singer has a song which is: “Avi Chanun” (My merciful father). So, Moshe in a way is saying, “I plead for mercy to Adonai; let me see the promised land.

Yet the answer of Adonai was still “No” (Speak no more of this matter). We are all destined an “x” amount of years on this earth; who knows if, through actions we do, might “speed up” that time, or even “prolong” the time.

We should take advantage of the years that God is giving to us here on earth and make the best of them. If He has called us into ministry, let us perform that which He has called us to do to the best of our ability, using our Spiritual Gifts up to our final days (if we know when they are).

Moshe did not ask for more years of life, only that he would be permitted to enter the promised land of Canaan. The request was denied; God said, "Rav Lakh" (it is too much for you). Yet was he allowed into the land of Canaan? Yes, it was a delayed entry. 1500 years later, he was with Yeshua and with Eliyahu on the Mt. of Transfiguration. Right there is the WHOLE TORAH. The Pentateuch, The Prophets, and the New Covenant.

In this Parashah, we see the review of the Ten Commandments. Why is Moshe repeating and reviewing the Ten Commandments? We need to remember that in Exodus 20, those that we at Mt. Sinai were part of the first generation that left Egypt. Now there is the second generation, many of whom were not even born then, and those who were were 19 years old or younger. This generation needs to hear the commandments. The first generation is dead and buried.

(4) “Now, therefore, harken O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments which I teach you, for to do them.” Moshe was the teacher, taking all that God charged him to teach, and not “adding to” nor “diminishing” anything, teaching all the details, the “fine print” to say. Teachers of God’s Word have a unique calling: it is their life, their passion, and they will not rest until they accomplish what they set out to do.

I AM the LORD thy God: “Anochi Adonai Eloheicha.” He is emphasizing “I AM” (I MYSELF AM) “Anochi,” a very important statement, telling his people that it was HE who brought them out of Egypt, and out of slavery. Two very important things, therefore: He has every right to be their God, and He has every right to be OUR God, since He has taken us out of the “World of Sin” (Egypt) and out from “Spiritual slavery”

“THOU shalt not have any other gods before me.” Since pagan worship was the norm of Egypt, worshiping and bowing down to false “elohim,” this was a reminder to Israel that YHVH is different; He is NOT like the false deities of Egypt; He is UNIQUE (Yachid) and He is ONE (Echad). But when people over-emphasize jobs and work, making money, sports, etc.… making them more important than our worship and attention towards Adonai, those “things” become “other gods.” Yes, Adonai is a “Jealous” and “Zealous” God! (El Kanah) and has every right to be so.

“THOU SHALT NOT take the name of YHVH thy God in vain.” What is that? It is using our LORD’s holy name in unholy ways, in unholy conversations, making promises using God’s name, like “I swear to God that I’ll…” and then not fulfilling those promises. We should use HIS HOLY NAME in worship and praise only.

“KEEP (guard) the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.” Where are we on the sabbath day? We should be in God’s House to worship, praise, and learn from his word through teachers of the Word. It is a time of rest, a time for family to get together and worship the LORD, even for the housewives to turn off the ovens and husbands to take them out to eat, or just whip up some sandwiches.

Enjoy the Sabbath day; it is the LORD’s to rejoice and relax in. The Sabbath day has always been Saturday; it was never changed to Sunday (this will probably create some comments). But EVERY day of the week is a time to study God’s Word and praise Him for all of his blessings.

“HONOR Thy Father and Thy Mother.” This goes without explanation. I think it is common sense for children to honor and obey their parents, for they are the ones who raise them up. Yet the Fathers and Mothers have a GREAT responsibility to raise them in the knowledge of God and his word. If not, then, they will be responsible for possible “rebels” later on in life.

“THOU shalt not kill; THOU shalt not commit adultery; THOU shalt not steal”. Ever wonder why these are listed together? For example, if one commits adultery, takes the wife of another in sex, that person is “killing” that relationship and is “stealing” what does not belong to him. The word “Kill” means “murder,” taking an innocent life; it does NOT refer to self-defense or soldiers fighting in a war. There are many ways of “stealing.” Some rabbis say that “all sins” are a form of “stealing,” not just taking money; coming back late from lunch break is “stealing” time from your employer, telling a lie is “stealing” the confidence one might have had in you, and it is “murdering” that trust.

“THOU shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Being truthful to someone is very important, and not telling the whole truth is, in fact, telling a lie, and being false to someone close to you; again, it is “stealing trust” and “murdering a relationship” through being “false”.

‘THOU shalt not covet. ' If Adonai wants you to have what your neighbor has, He will give it to you. We should be content with the much or the little we have; anyway, when we die, ALL will be left behind. So, no need to covet; it just brings about headaches.

(6) This chapter has the “Shema,” one of the most important verses in the Torah; “Shema Israel, YHVH Eloheinu, YHVH Echad” “Shema” (Listen to and heed/do/obey). Israel started as 12 tribes, sons of Jacob; then those Egyptians who chose to follow Moshe out of Egypt were grafted in. Adonai did not reject them just because they were Egyptians; they also became part of the nation through “adoption”.

In the beginning, America consisted of only the indigenous tribes that came from Asia during the Ice Age, but later, European peoples came as immigrants and settlers. When it became a nation in 1776, the United States of America consisted of ALL peoples who were living in the land. The 12 tribes of Israel became a great “Adat” (congregation, community) now consisting of all believers in Yeshua.

We have been adopted into HIS Chosen family through Yeshua HaMashiach; it pertains to ALL believers. Adonai is OUR GOD, since we are FAMILY, and He is ONE in Unity (Father, Son, Spirit “Echad”). The word for “Adonai Eloheinu” consists of the most sacred letters YHVH; in ancient Hebrew, those letters symbolize “Behold the hand, Behold the nail”. So, if we looked at the words “YHVH Eloheinu” from an ancient Hebraic position, we could read: “Behold the hand, Behold the nail, who is God that instructs (us) and leads us to (eternal) life through the nail that (penetrated) the hand.” I guess that is one way one could look at it.

The word “Elohim” has three meanings; One is the Tri-unity of G-d, yet if we spell it “elohim” with a small “e” in English, then it means “gods” in plural (usually false gods) yet it also means “ambassadors” or “representatives” of “Adonai-Elohim” Remember that Yeshua, when He addressed the Prushim (Pharisees) said, “No ye not that ye are gods?” (John 10:34; Psalm 82:6)

“You shall love…” (vs 5) Yes, with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. This includes “teaching” His word to our children, at all times, to others who have the ears and willingness to listen

Be the person in our house, be the person “walking with us on the “way” at bedtime and at morning time; the time for God’s Word and teaching it is at ALL TIMES, provided, of course, that the other person wishes to hear it. God’s Word is to be shared and taught, NEVER to be forced upon another!

Binding upon the hands and frontlets between our eyes, using Tefillin, is symbolic in that God’s Word is to be in our minds and put into action using our hands, in performing mitzvoth (good works)

Writing them and putting God’s Word on our doorposts and gates using “mezuzot” is symbolic to let people know that “living here is a family who honors God and His Word”

Moshe reminds the people again and again to “Keep the commandments of the LORD thy God and his testimonies and statutes” in many verses. Just keep in mind that “keeping the commandments does not “save a soul.” Salvation comes only from accepting Yeshua (Jesus) as LORD and Savior, that and that ONLY saves a person from eternal condemnation. Obedience to the commandments comes “after” as a sign that we are now part of HIS family, and we now have new desires to follow HIM in HIS ways. There is “Yeshuah Kadosh” (Righteous Salvation) and “Mitzvoth Kadoshim” (righteous works); both are separate, yet both go together. The latter is a result of the first.

All in all, what can we take away from this study? Loving God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength shows when we love our neighbor as ourselves; obeying and following God's Word should be our goal for godly living. Yeshua said it himself: "If you love me, obey my commandments"
(John 14:15).

(I will probably modify this post for non-messianic subforms). Always feel free to comment, but keep the comments positive. We are here to build each other up and encourage each other, not discourage.

Shavua Tov

joymercy · Tuesday at 10:53 PM

Servus said:
It's just looking for hugs.

Exactly! Just look at it squeezing the surfboard!

bbbbbbb · Tuesday at 10:47 PM

Parma

reddogs · Tuesday at 10:15 PM

We see 2 Peter 2:4 in Young's Literal Translation
4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved,

Now a question that poses itself is whether the evil angels feared to be sent there to this place of darkness 'thick gloom' to such a degree that they thus asked to be sent into the swine on the hill..

Matthew 8:31-32
So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Mark 5:12-13
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

Lily76_ · Tuesday at 10:01 PM

there is Always hope and there is Always Jesus i put my trust in him , i use to let things in the news upset me i dont trust this new PM he is an snake oil salesman i dont trust him but i have the lord and he is always with me my hope is the lord our God , and we can put our anxieties and life in Jesus' hands all you have to do is pray and believe in him

MarkRohfrietsch · Tuesday at 9:23 PM

MarkRohfrietsch said:
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Double post.

Rescued One · Tuesday at 9:00 PM

I pray for Ukraine, the Middle East, the Communists in America, etc. I can hardly believe more people aren't praying for these issues,, I'm so sorry for the suffering in this world.

com7fy8 · Tuesday at 8:38 PM

Part of doing good is to trust in Christ for salvation.

Then, since we want to please God, we submit to Him so He has us doing the good that He desires.

And so, 0ne thing Jesus means by the scripture is that we trust God to take care of us so we do what is good. And we do not doubt how God is so able to have us living well >

“casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7)

We do not each live in isolation, then, worrying about our own selves, but we share as family to bless and to help one another > this is included in doing good.

It is not only about good or bad works, then, but how we do the good of trusting and depending on God and sharing with one another as family. This is good to do.

Yes, “Accept Jesus’ free gift.” And included in the package deal of salvation is how we are guaranteed God’s correction > Hebrews 12:4-14 < so we are changed in our character to share with God in His holiness . . . in His love’s “peaceable fruit of righteousness”. This is guaranteed to every person who has trusted in Jesus.

So . . . trust Him for this. And do not only trust some ideas, but submit to God in order for Him to change us so we are His way . . . so that we are doing all that ***He*** means by doing good . . . not merely what we might boast about, or worry is not enough.

And you might read and feed on Galatians 6:7-8 . . . about how we will reap what we have sown. We are becoming how we will be for eternity. How we become . . . this is how we will be reaped to become so much more strongly > in the corruption of a self-seeking personality, or in the likeness of Jesus.

“For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Romans 8:29)

So - - - salvation, and what works we do, is a matter of what is possible with God. We trust God to have us succeeding with Him and to guide us.

tall73 · Tuesday at 7:56 PM

While we wait for more folks to weigh in on whether the university should be renamed, here is a bronze statue of J. N. Andrews in front of the church where graduations are held:

THE STATUE STILL SPEAKS THE FINGER STILL POINTS

In front of this church where graduation exercises transpire stands a bronze statue of the university namesake, John Nevins Andrews. The skilled work of sculptor Allan Collins, this replica of the Seventh-day Adventist church’s first scholar and missionary is shaped with extended arm and hand...

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Landon Caeli · Tuesday at 7:03 PM

essentialsaltes said:
What makes you say that? He has made very clear statements about Hamas and Israel. I don't know that he's said much about 'the Jews' or 'the Muslims' other than both face unjust discrimination.

AI Overview (Google "volker turk on hamas")

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk has repeatedly condemned the October 7, 2023, attacks led by Hamas as heinous, brutal, and constituting war crimes, while also criticizing violations committed by Israeli forces. He has consistently called for accountability, the immediate release of all hostages, and an end to the conflict

War Crimes and October 7: Türk stated clearly that the atrocities, killings, and the taking of hostages by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups on October 7 violated international law and amounted to war crimes

Calls for Investigation: Türk urged independent, thorough investigations into credible allegations of sexual violence and other grave human rights abuses perpetrated during the October 7 attacks.

AI Overview (Google "volker turk on jews")

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk strongly condemns antisemitism, calling it an assault on collective humanity and warning that hatred against Jewish communities has grown rampantly. At the same time, he maintains that criticism of Israeli government policies is distinct from antisemitism, though he cautions against holding all Jewish people responsible for state actions

Stance on Antisemitism

Zero Tolerance: Türk has urged a zero-tolerance approach from online platforms, political leaders, and the global community to eliminate rising antisemitic rhetoric, threats, and physical attacks. [1, 2]

Holocaust Remembrance: Marking Holocaust commemorations, he frequently emphasizes the lessons of the Nazi genocide, stating that society has a daily duty to stand up against dehumanization and bigotry

AI Overview (Google "volker turk on muslims")

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk strongly defends the rights of Muslims, consistently condemning global Islamophobia, hate speech, and discrimination while honoring Muslim contributions to society. [1, 2, 3]

Stance on Islamophobia and Discrimination

Sounding the Alarm: Türk frequently warns about surging anti-Muslim harassment, violence, and discrimination worldwide

Turk could be more impartial and fair than I'm giving him credit for... After all, the US only voted against him. It's actually France that's throwing the hissy fit here, because they disagree with a vote of all things.

Jeff Saunders · Tuesday at 6:47 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Condemnation is separation it carries the judgment of sin, which results in spiritual separation from God

But the Greek word translated condemnation is not even in the verse, only in the English translation.

BobRyan · Tuesday at 6:21 PM

yeshuasavedme said:
Because of the Roman Catholic Church dismissing the books called Scripture, by our ancient Christian and Jewish "fathers" of the faith; in particular, the Book of Enoch, in which the foundations of all biblical doctrine are laid plainly out, and not re-laid, because once laid, no need to re-lay them.

Josephus reminds us that those Greek inter-testament books were never included in the Hebrew Bible.
Our 39 books of the OT are the same as the Hebrew Bible of Christ's day kept in the temple and unchanged since Malachi.

The "books" of Enoch from around the 2nd century were not written by the actual Biblical Enoch living before the flood. They have multiple authors and claim that non-corporeal spirit beings mated with woman who then gave birth to 450 foot tall offspring along with a lot of other myths. The fact that they manage to preserve some fragments of legitimate tradition is not disputed, only that the source had been mobbed by a lot of creative writing and did not come into existence until after the Babylonian captivity

Pommer · Tuesday at 6:17 PM

rambot said:
Birds of a feather flock together.

And I LOVE the folks that are flocking to the US. It's strange how the richest country can still be such a huge loser.

The USA has always been in favor of international cooperation (but only when that meant “be reasonable you other countries and see things the U.S.’s way!”).

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