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The Pharisees are winning

The aim of the 'Slow March through the Insitutions' was that the political became the personal. In bring in the personal we also bring in the spiritual. So now as this is fundementally a spiritual battle everything is actually becoming belief and Christianity is seen as the greatest threat to that New World order without God.
Yes, and the political becoming the personal (and spiritual) explains why people now have such heightened feelings over politics that they hate those that disagree with them. The addition of Islam is interesting because Islam is tolerated whereas Christianity is not. Why would an atheist grounded ideology give such a approval to Islam? Apparently, because they both have a common enemy in Christ, and Christians.
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

I'm biracial.
It's not a good sign when your arguement against possibly saying something racist begins with a variation of the "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" defence.
Anyone can be racist, anyone. Diverse background racially or socially only makes it less likely, it's not like an immunization.
Anyone can be racist.
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

The thing is, I could present you with a dozen quotes from members, reworded so that you couldn't search for the people who posted them, and I guarantee that you couldn't tell from them whether someone was a Christian or not. In fact, you'd probably think most were not. And I'll bet the ones that you thought were not all go to church and read their bibles regularly. And quite possibly the ones you thought were are not regular church goers.

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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

MTG went full liberal. You never go full liberal. I wonder how much Hillary, Obama, and Soros paid her for her betrayal and treason or if she had always been a liberal commie nazi hate America deep state plant put in place to destabilize the country. People should check if she has had contact with Venezuela recently.
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Release from Epstein files

Honestly,... like...I'm speechless with what people are prepared to reason away.

Really? I'm not anymore. Trump supporters will forgive him basically anything. Short of murdering someone on live TV, he can pretty much do as he likes and they'll make their own narrative up to suit.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Your response once again indicates the intellectual level you operate at, a cult like devotion for individuals who are not experts in the fields relevant to this thread.
Is Chris King an expert in precision tooling, machining and engineering to have an opinion of the tooling and methods used to create the works.
I make no apologies for dismissing their pseudoscience as I have been very clear in my reasons using science and evidence.
Then explain to me how Christ Kings experts assessments is wrong in how he explains how the signatures were created. In fact show me how the signature he is explaining is not the result of machining.

The image is above in my previous post. You have seen it and ignored it. Tell me how Christ King is wrong.

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You on the other hand from practically the first post have attacked my credibility and everyone else’s for questioning your so called experts as a substitute for your inability of providing any counterarguments.
Because you have offered nothing to the same level of formality or level of testing and analysis that has been shown in the articles linked. It would be poor epistemics to take your word even if you claim you know what your talking about over another who at least has as much expertise or more. Without the saame level of work and formality that shows the layout of the process in which the tests and analysis contradicts the articles I have listed.

For example you linked a plaster cast of the strirations that you claim were made by hand grinding let alone even a copper saw or some cutting device. You made the fundemental mistake of assuming your example represented all examples. I showed you counter evidence that it was not made by hand grinding.

If this is your expert opinion then I have to treat it suspiciously as its already shown that you ignore basic counter evidence.
Ignoring the science and evidence while flooding this thread with images and links clearly beyond your understanding would make Duane Gish proud but is no substitute for counterarguments.
Yes images you obviously cannot admit to or acknowledge and skip[ over them with a fallacy that its gish gallop. Its not. I listed 4 different examples of cuts in stone. Not the same but different to show the wide variety of different cuts showing possible different tech.

But I have linked these images on their own and still its ignored. Yet you do exactly the same and its not gish gallop. See how this is double standard.

Just deal with the plain images in front of you and stop ignoring them. You already admitted one looked like a modern cut and must have been a forgery. So why don't you just acknowledge the others. Just admit they look like modern machining. Or at least not like the traditional method could produce.

It doesn't mean you agree they are actually caused by modern methods or machines. Just the first basic step in observation science which is to acknowledge what is being observed in front of you. What do these examples look like to you.

I have asked this ten times now and still you can't bring yourself to comment. Go back and carefully look at the images. What do you think they look like. What do you think caused them.

I don't want all the rationalisations about needing proper tests or experts. Just you and your eyes and what you think they look like initially. As the first step. It may prove wrong. But just explain what they look like caused them.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

The pro-Sabbath arguments are not quite so easily killed off with contempt. While I’m not about to throw out the wealth of Protestant Scholarship from the Dallas Theological Seminary that states that:

1. Christians are not under the Law but under grace and have no obligation to keep it.
2. References to Law in the New Testament refer to the whole Law, not just the 10 commandments
3. Christians follow Christ and His teachings, for we are Christians, and not necessarily the Law of Moses. We also follow Paul’s guidance given by the Holy Spirit for how Christ’s church should be run.

I also think we need to understand the historical context of how this consensus came to be, because this consensus is being pitted against two other historical consensuses of scholars: the Millerites, who deviated from the Protestant consensus to venerate the 10 commandments above the rest of the law, and the Sons of Zadok, who believe all Christians are Jews who are obligated to keep the entire Torah.

The last position I’m not comfortable with at all, as it seems to turn the entire Book of Acts (especially Peter’s vision and the letter to the churches) and the Book of Galatians into sheets of paper. But it is a consensus of scholars. One is not going to write off entire groups of people without reading their writings and evaluating the historical context of how they arrived at their conclusions. The people who believe in these concensuses are not going to change their ways just because they are disagreed with and “rah Dallas Theological Seminary is smarter than you”. The Zadokians will likely claim their Scriptural commission as authority for their viewpoint and view your deference to Protestant Team Texas as disrespect, whereas the Millerites mostly agree with you and will continue debating minor points.

Referring back to the Scripture is actually useless because these consensuses of scholars all interpret the same verses differently, and in the case of the Zadokians, even translate them differently. In my view, this declaration of victory is premature. The Protestant consensus seems to fit American culture a little too well for my taste, seeming to gerrymander theology to fit American sensibilities in a form of historical boogie dancing. Dodge the Mosaic law, dodge keeping the Sabbath, accept the idea that the Christians are part of the true Israel, throw in some premillennial Eschatology to sell some Left Behind movies, and we got some American Christianity that appeals to the masses. Oh, yeah!

I have the writings of the Sons of Zadok on my theological reading list to get to, though it might take me awhile because it might help me to study Hebrew along with their views.
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The 'alt-right fringe' is pushing its way into normal conservative circles

I think the media bias is a symptom of a bigger problem. That politics has been made personal. That opposing views are a threat rather than an alternative belief or view that has a right to exist in the market place of beliefs and views.

Along with this personalisation that makes opposing views a threat to the point of life or death or the very existence of democracy and freedoms come the extreme actions. If you create the climate that opposing beliefs are a threat then it cultivates the extremist on the fringes to come to the center. This is just how societies destroy themselves. Nothing new.

Except I think this time its happening worldwide. All the worlds problems are being rolled into Left verse Right or Progressives verses Conservatives and even religion verses the world or Jews and Christians verses the secular beliefs like Wokism and Humanism.

Maybe digital media and social media has accelerated what was already inevitable. As this personalises things even more so. Now individuals and groups without power can create false narratives. Media can be used to push propaganda and fake news. Thus compounding the chaos.

Its certainly not the happy melting pot and utopia the counter culture promised. Its turning out more the complete opposite. Time for Christians to check out of the culture wars and get back to what works. Which is obedience to God only and let that be the example in Christ that can defeat anything the world has to offer.
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My Grace is Sufficient for You

“Righteous are You, O Lord,
And upright are Your judgments.
You have commanded Your testimonies in righteousness
And exceeding faithfulness.
My zeal has consumed me,
Because my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
Your word is very pure,
Therefore Your servant loves it.
I am small and despised,
Yet I do not forget Your precepts.
Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.
Trouble and anguish have come upon me,
Yet Your commandments are my delight.
Your testimonies are righteous forever;
Give me understanding that I may live.” (Psalm 119:137-144 NASB1995)

I totally identify here with the Psalmist. I wholeheartedly agree with his words! Yes, God is totally righteous. Amen! And upright are all his judgments, even the ones that are difficult to accept, like the death of a loved one, or a serious body infirmity where he says, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9). For he allows trials and tribulations to come into our lives to test our faith, and to conform us to his likeness, and to make us holy as he is holy.

And, yes, he allows us to have enemies and those who persecute us, who treat us as though we are the scum of the earth for them to trample upon. Even among those who also profess faith in Jesus Christ, and even among the clergy of religious institutions called “the church,” we will have enemies who will persecute us without cause because we stand for what is righteous and holy and obedient to our Lord without compromise of faith and conviction. For we do not fit in with the modern idea of what church is.

For so many today have gone the way of the world, and they have altered and diluted the gospel of our salvation to make it more palatable and acceptable to human flesh in order to not offend the ungodly who they are trying to draw into their gatherings. And they have partnered with the government and with the world, and they have turned the gatherings of the church into places of business to be marketed to the world just like any other business, all of which God forbids. So we are being pushed out.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

But this is for our good. How so? For when we face trials and tribulations and persecutions to test our faith, and we respond to them in faith and in obedience to our Lord, we draw closer to our God in full assurance of faith and conviction as to what is right and to what is wrong. And we become more passionate about right and wrong, and so our zeal for truth and righteousness and holiness consumes us. And we must speak truth to the people and we must expose the lies in hope the people will not be deceived.

And the more passionate we become about truth and righteousness, and holy living, in contrast to what so many have come to accept as truth, but which are lies intended to deceive, and the more we speak out on these issues, and we confront the lies for what they are, and we speak the truth of God’s word in opposition to the lies, the more we will become “small and despised” in the eyes of those who are opposed to what we are teaching, for they prefer the broad way leading to destruction over the way leading to life.

But if we love God with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and we truly love our neighbors as ourselves, we will care enough to make certain that the truth of God’s word is getting out to the people, in opposition to the lies, in hopes that they will believe and live the truth, and no longer the lies, even if it means that we are despised, rejected, falsely accused of wrong, and cast aside as unnecessary and as unwanted, in return. For we want people to genuinely be saved and to have eternal life with God in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Change My Heart, Oh God

By Eddie Espinosa

Change my heart, oh God
Make it ever true
Change my heart, oh God
May I be like You

You are the potter
I am the clay
Mold me and make me
This is what I pray

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My Grace is Sufficient for You
An Original Work / November 15, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Lost tribes of Israel

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Judaism believes that "Messianic Judaism" (MJ) is the ultimate form of broad Christianity and the heresy of Judaism, MJ is more likely to have a confusing effect. What the acceptable Christian model for Judaism is Noahide (son of Noah) Christianity.
MJ is considered the most powerful means of spreading Christianity to Jews. So Noahide Christianity is the response of Judaism to Christian evangelism. MJ can also be seen by Judaism as a pattern of Noahide Christianity . Judaism can communicate with it, but the most dangerous friend.

Yeshua seems to be a top tier Mossad. He was the commander-in-chief of the Israeli army, but became the king of foreign land. Some rabbis may realize Yeshua 's Israeli identity is hidden and will eventually be revealed.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Nice try, but you just proved my point above in my previous post that all eternal torment proponents ultimately do to "win" their argument is accuse conditionalist/annihilationists like myself and universalits that they go against God, and hope that it gets people scared enough to not argue against them any further, or at least question the Scriptural veracity of eternal torment.

Funny how you holler and bellow that I am telling God He can't torture people for eternity if He wants - when I said no such thing, of course; just because I said I believe Scripture overwhelmingly indicates the fate of unbelievers as literal destruction rather than eternal conscious torment, doesn't mean that I say He can't do it if He wants .... although again personally I believe I malign His revealed character in Scripture if I do claim that He will torture for eternity, and I fear to do so - when what i did do was use words from Matthew that are recorded as being spoken by the Son of God Himself: Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

Again, in just that verse alone, apart from plenty of others that use plain wording such as destroy, destruction, consumed, perish, burned up, etc. , I don't know why ECT proponents expect us to interpret the word destroy there as somehow meaning "keep alive in physical and/or mental torture for eternity without ever actually destroying them".
Your theology is so twisted that you can't find a single verse in the bible to remotely support your unbiblical and silly nonsensical opinion that "annihilation" is mentioned in the bible. Allow me to assure you that no such silly thing exists. I will join your religion if you ever find a single shred of evidence to support it.

You have also fallen for the other big lie, of "universalism". You will never find a shred of evidence to support this silly idea either. If you ever do, please let me know and I'll jump over to your religion immediately.

Please go and do a google search, and ask the robot if the word "destroy" as used in the context of Matt 10:28 means "annihilate" or "cessation of existence" or any other term to support your magical disappearing act.

While your there, ask our friend how many context the words "death" "dying" "dead" "die", are used in. Then come back and tell me how many support your opinion which is obviously based on your emotions and feelings. I take it you must have loved ones who died in their sin, and you refuse to face the awful truth of the matter.
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Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

or Obama will be the 47th President for 0 terms? Anyway, it won't matter, Trump will be fortunate to finish out this term.
That's what they said about his last term. Trump has always supposedly been on the brink of losing the presidency one way or another. Or quitting the presidency for one reason or another. In all likelihood he'll finish out his second term and then go back to what he was doing before he became president. But still be very outspoken and most anything he says or tweets will carry lots of impact and be publicized by the media.
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Chiropractics offends me

"A "DO" stands for a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, a fully licensed physician who uses a holistic, patient-centered approach to healthcare. Like a Doctor of Medicine (MD), a DO can prescribe medicine, perform surgery, and practice in any medical specialty. However, DOs receive additional training in the musculoskeletal system and are taught to treat the interconnectedness of the body's mind, body, and spirit." google ai

Leaves me wondering what spiritual training they receive.
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America Is the ‘No. 1 Buyer of Boys and Girls Around the World’—Tim Tebow Talks About Fighting Sexual Slavery on ‘Flagrant’ Podcast

Tebow, author of the new book “Look Again,” appeared on a popular podcast this week to discuss his faith and his advocacy work. On the Nov. 12 episode of “Flagrant,” hosted by comedians Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, Tebow talked about Christianity, living out his faith, and working to save children trapped in sexual slavery.

Tebow, 38, is a former professional athlete, Heisman Trophy winner, and new father. While playing sports, he was often mocked for kneeling in prayer, wearing Bible verses in his eye black, and pledging to remain a virgin until marriage.

This week’s conversation on “Flagrant” began with some of those topics, giving Tebow opportunities to share the gospel message. The activist then spent a large chunk of time addressing the evils of child trafficking and exploitation—and how he’s working to combat them.

Tim Tebow: ‘God Is Not Far From the Suffering’


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This is shocking and makes me angry. At least with the church we were able to call them out and make them accountable.

But this corruption and evil in high hidden places is doubly evil. It not only commits the evil but cultivates it within the mainstream system and covers it up under layers of lies.

It makes itself embedded in the same system that proclaims a better way than the church and moralises others to deflect the truth. It can never be accountable in this world as the world itself laid the platform for such evil without God.

God will judge them and their time is coming soon.
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Who then can be saved?

He is not obliged to take them to heaven, but to give them opportunity to repent and be worthy of heaven, because He said His way is fair Ezekiel 18, and that He will be judging in righteousness, that is not my opinion, that is what He through Paul said, Acts 17:30-31

"But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and earth, and some to honor and others dishonor. If a man purge himself from dishonor, he shall be a vessel of honor, sanctified and meet for the masters use and prepared until every good work." 2 Timothy 2:20-21

"How can a man cleanse his way? By taking heed unto the word of God." Psalm 119:9-10

Commanding someone to do what they can not possibly do is called evil in the Bible; Exodus 5:23 KJV one must also read the whole chapter for context.

God is not evil . Therefore, according to solid scripture, not my opinion, it is possible for anyone to find repentance via faith in Christ.

"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.'" Romans 10:17

You are saying that faith comes some other way, and the scripture does not say such.
And as someone else pointed out to you
John 6:45
"...He therefore that has heard and has learned from the Father comes to me."

The way anyone hears from the Father is through His word. We are to be in the business of sharing His word and the good news about Him with each and every creature, as He commanded.

"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature...". Mark 16:15-16
I have debunked your interpretation of all of these verses before. I'm not sure why you think that repeating false interpretations over and over again will convince me to reject what God has said and believe in your private opinions instead.

I have asked you to find a single verse in the bible to support your unbiblical, Arminian version of the gospel, which holds to the "saved by works", instead of the Biblical "saved by grace" gospel.


“The Order of Salvation”

1. Election (God’s choice of people to be saved)

2. The gospel call (proclaiming the message of the gospel)

3. Regeneration (being born again)

4. Conversion (faith and repentance)

5. Justification (right legal standing)

6. Adoption (membership in God’s family)

7. Sanctification (right conduct of life)

8. Perseverance (remaining a Christian)

9. Death (going to be with the Lord)

10. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body)


Does the New Testament Teach Predestination?
Several passages in the New Testament confirm quite clearly that God ordained beforehand those who would be saved. When Paul and Barnabas began to preach to the Gentiles in Antioch in Pisidia, Luke writes, “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48).
It is significant that Luke mentions the fact of election almost in passing. It is as if this were the normal occurrence when the gospel was preached. How many believed? “As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

In Romans 8:28–30, we read:
We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

In the following chapter, when talking about God’s chosing Jacob and not Esau, Paul says it was not because of anything that Jacob or Esau had done, but simply in order that God’s purpose of election might continue.

Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue not because of works but because of his call, she was told, “The elder will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (Rom. 9:11–13)

Regarding the fact that some of the people of Israel were saved, but others were not, Paul says: “Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened” (Rom. 11:7). Here again Paul indicates two distinct groups within the people of Israel. Those who were “the elect” obtained the salvation that they sought, while those who were not the elect simply “were hardened.”

Paul talks explicitly about God’s choice of believers before the foundation of the world in the beginning of Ephesians.

He chose us in him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace.” (Eph. 1:4–6)

Here Paul is writing to believers and he specifically says that God “chose us” in Christ, referring to believers generally. In a similar way, several verses later he says, “We who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of his glory” (Eph. 1:12).

He writes to the Thessalonians, “For we know, brethren beloved by God, that he has chosen you; for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction” (1 Thess. 1:4–5).

Paul says that the fact that the Thessalonians believed the gospel when he preached it (“for our gospel came to you … in power … and with full conviction”) is the reason he knows that God chose them. As soon as they came to faith Paul concluded that long ago God had chosen them, and therefore they had believed when he preached. He later writes to the same church, “We are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth” (2 Thess. 2:13).

When Paul talks about the reason why God saved us and called us to himself, he explicitly denies that it was because of our works, but points rather to God’s own purpose and his unmerited grace in eternity past. He says God is the one “who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not in virtue of our works but in virtue of his own purpose and the grace which he gave us in Christ Jesus ages ago” (2 Tim. 1:9).

When Peter writes an epistle to hundreds of Christians in many churches in Asia Minor, he writes, “To God’s elect … scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia” (1 Peter 1:1). He later calls them “a chosen race” (1 Peter 2:9). Also 2 Peter 1:3,10…

In John’s vision in Revelation, those who do not give in to persecution and begin to worship the beast are persons whose names have been written in the book of life before the foundation of the world: “And authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain” (Rev. 13:7–8)
In a similar way, we read of the beast from the bottomless pit in Revelation 17: “The dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come” (Rev. 17:8).

The New Testament authors often present the doctrine of election as a comfort to believers. When Paul assures the Romans that “in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose” (Rom. 8:28), he gives God’s work of predestination as a reason why we can be assured of this truth. He explains in the next verse, “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son … And those whom he predestined he also called … justified … glorified” (Rom. 8:29–30).

Paul says, “He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace” (Eph. 1:5–6). Similarly, he says, “We who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of his glory” (Eph. 1:12).

If you reject all of the above passages of scripture, then I have no choice other than to conclude that you're not interested in the truth of the gospel and your aim is not to defend the gospel but it's to defend your own private opinion to save face.
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