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A conversation about unity.

The use of Luke 11:27-28 to debunk Mariology is held by a considerably larger audience than Protestants who subscribe to neo-antidicomarianism and to Nestorianism.

”Debunking Mariology” is by definition neo-antidicomarianism and crypto-Nestorian (Nestorius himself was motivated by antidicomarian considerations).

The largest Protestant denominations, the Anglicans and Lutherans, are for the most part comprised of those who have a correct understanding of the Theotokos, although not always with the fervent devotion of Martin Luther or the High Church Anglicans.
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F.B.I. Plans to Lower Recruiting Standards

But with regards to university becoming an "eye opening experience" (culturally speaking -- which is what the other posted was mentioning about their university experience in the country where they're at) if the college is in a different city in the same state, it's not exactly the "horizon broadening" experience for most who go.

That would depend on where the kid is coming from and what they've been exposed to.

This is an actual conversation I've had with another adult (as verbatim as I can remember it):
Me: "Hi, I'm Iluvatar"
Him: "I'm X"
Me: "Are you from around here originally?"
Him: "Oh no, I'm originally from West Baltimore."
Me: *blinks*

I was asking if he was from somewhere outside the greater Baltimore area and he, who's probably only left the city a handful of times in his life, interpreted my question to be whether he grew up in that specific neighborhood. For a guy like that, College Park (home of UMD's flagship campus) may as well be on the moon. And he's not alone.

For me, growing up in the not-quite-rural rust belt, virtually any large congregation of people represented an increase in diversity.

And for the kids going to the public universities, it's not as if there's this immense amount of diversity they're going to experience at the OSU campus in Columbus that they didn't encounter in the Akron/Canton/Cleveland/Cincinnati/Dayton/Toledo areas.

If you were talking about the smaller, regional campuses, sure. But why would you think that a flagship R-1 university with a top-level D1 sports program would be like that?


And with regards to the "really local" college attendance you were talking about, it's actually higher than you'd think, apart from the in-state rate being 80%...

Per the US Department of Education in conjunction with Brookings:
A 2012 analysis found about 57% of undergraduates attended an institution within 50 miles of their permanent home address.


And per the Brookings 2016 write up on it:
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Over half are not only stating in state, they're staying within 20 miles of their homestead. (with the exception of ones going to private schools, but even half of them are staying fairly local)

So it seems to be trending more in the direction of kids staying really close to home. -- which makes sense given the increasing costs, many are opting for the "mom & dad safety net"
Point taken regarding the numbers being higher than I thought, but that's still not evidence that they're living at home.
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Is This The New Normal?

It has nothing to do with sanctuary cities, per se, as much as it has to do with cities with Democrat mayors who appoint leftist prosecutors, etc., who alter meanings of words.
Which mayors appoint prosecutors? Everywhere I've ever lived elected the DAs with other positions being civil service.
And “crimes” means crimes. When liberal politicians redefine terms to mean, as in the case of the post I quoted, that a crime is only committed if the perpetrators are arrested and convicted in court, that changes the statistics rates.
How about crimes reported? That's also gone down.

You seem to be blaming liberals for all of society's ills. This is unrealistic, at best.
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The First Christians Were Not Socialists

We are called to be generous, not to abandon private property​


Some critics say not only that Catholics can besocialists, but that they should be socialists because that was how the first Christians lived. They cite Acts 2:45, which says, “all who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need.” But when we examine the biblical and historical evidence a different picture emerges: the first Christians lived in communities that practiced voluntary charity rather than mandatory communism or socialism.

Classic socialism (which in many contexts is interchangeable with the term “communism”) rejects the natural right to own private property. Bhaskar Sunkara, the editor of the popular socialist magazine Jacobin wrote in 2016, “Radically changing things would mean taking away the source of capitalists’ power: the private ownership of property.” This is why Pope Leo XIII said, “the main tenet of socialism, [the] community of goods, must be utterly rejected.”

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We Don’t Need Gun Control, We Need To Classify Gender Dysphoria As A Mental Illness Again

The transgender population is only a tiny percentage of the overall population yet within the tiny transgender population the number of mass shootings is indeed high. This was not an isolated incident:
As I posted in another thread, there have been approximately 4000 mass shootings in the US since 2018. 4 (or 5 if you count the Club Q guy, who, iirc, probably isn't actually trans) by trans people. That's about 0.1%, or ten times lower than the trans population in the US.

I'm sure it seems high - especially because right wing media loves to play up anything that might stoke hatred against trans people, so any incidents like this will be endlessly harped upon and reported as if it's a huge problem - but the data says otherwise.
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Minnesota Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar Suddenly Somehow Worth $30 Million, According to Report

This behavior is not unusual within Congress. Both political parties have taken advantage of their positions by serving on committees with access to confidential information, which they often use to buy and sell stocks. It appears that insider trading laws are never enforced in these situations.

Both parties discuss rule-making in Congress, yet when it comes to passing bills, 90% vote together—one of the few instances of overwhelming bipartisanship in the US Congress.

A quick AI search on congressional ethics rules and stock trading shows that legislation is introduced nearly every year, but it typically fails to pass or remains stuck in committee.

In the past, members of the public generally wanted Congress to address these issues and tended to hold Congress accountable for not passing such legislation, regardless of their political affiliation. Today, however, there appears to be a tendency among some voters to overlook concerns when politicians from their preferred party accumulate wealth, while objecting when politicians from the opposing party do so. As a result, the focus has shifted away from evaluating actions as right or wrong, and instead centers on criticizing the opposing side. This discussion illustrates that trend.
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6,000 Years?

Well then you of all people should know. Tell me about the considerations these fields understand and have formulated regarding the environment in a world pre flood that allowed a man to live to be a 1000 years old. What changes did the flood cause to the environment that changed this as God reduced a lifespan to 120 years? Certainly these fields have made many considerations for this - especially in the aging and dating spectrum.
Near East cultures use age as a way to convey how important or respected someone is, so generally I take the extremely long ages in that light. I don't believe that people actually lived 1,000 years.
So sayeth Jipsah
It can really only be symbolic, God has no need to actually rest. It was to be an example for us.
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

Hey we gotta start somewhere right? We have to do something. How about a required psych examination? Or if you are on any psych drugs of any sort? Im sure there are records of that. Its an easy one if you are trans. No guns. You are mentally ill. I think anyone who has been prescribed psych drugs certainly would be disqualified. A psych test ot psych exam would be good. Might actually discourage people from buying a gun in the first place. That would be good.

There isn't any psych test that can accurately predict if someone is going to become a mass murderer. The best you might do is look for evidence of psychosis or possibly someone with combinations of impulsivity, anger, and antisocial traits. The problem is the vast majority of persons in those categories aren't going to hurt a flea. So, you would be ruling them out, too. I'm in the business and I don't want to have to give an opinion on who will and who won't. Same applies to anyone taking psych drugs. Millions of Americans are on psychotropic drugs and pose no risk. I do think red flag laws have some promise, though, if someone reports someone of concern.
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Evolution conflict and division

1) The principle of sufficient reason: the existence of being is accountable either in itself or in another. (A being cannot give what it does not have.)
This in no way prohibits the reality of common descent.
2. The principle of proportionate causality: the effect cannot be greater than the cause.
This is not a principle of logic but a metaphysical claim in a particular stream of philosophy, and it also does not rule out evolution and common descent.
However, the probability that God worked through secondary causes, ie., chemical and biological, to bring about His plan while possible is not mathematically probable.
That is the claim I wanted you to support. You have not done so.
Evolution theory is less an empirical science than an historiographical one. The way in which empirical scientists arrive at new and better theories has little in common with the way in which historians make new findings and revise earlier views of what happened in the past. The former include repeatable experiments and deductive reasoning to arrive at alternate hypotheses. The latter on less cogent indirect evidence and inductive reasoning.
While there are differences between observational and experimental sciences, both are firmly part of science rather than of history, and what you've written here does not accurately capture those differences. I suspect you don't have much experience in the actual practice of science.
I entered this "Christians Only" debate thread expecting a civilized discussion on the merits demerits of evolution theory. I find the evolution ideologists here not very different than the atheist/secular evolutionists in the threads on the same topic in the open forum so I'll leave you as I found you.
I just invited you to participate in precisely such a discussion; your response is to refuse to participate and to go away?
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Winona-Rochester Diocese mourns death of its seventh bishop

Bishop Bernard Harrington

Bishop Bernard Harrington(KTTC TV)

ROCHESTER, Minn. (KTTC) - The Diocese of Winona-Rochester is mourning the loss of its seventh bishop.

The diocese announced on its Facebook page that Bishop Bernard Harrington died on Saturday.

Bishop Bernard J. Harrington was born on September 6, 1933, to John and Norah Harrington. He was ordained a priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit on June 6, 1959, and served in many capacities, including Pastor, Superintendent of Catholic Schools, and Rector of Sacred Heart Major Seminary. On November 23, 1993, he was appointed as an auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit.

Bishop Harrington was then named the bishop of Winona and installed on January 6, 1999. He served as the bishop the Winona-Rochester Diocese until May 7, 2009. During that time, he oversaw many initiatives in the diocese, including calling forth the first cohort of deacons ordained within our diocese, creating the Seeds of Faith endowment for faith formation and Catholic school scholarships, and the expansion of services offered by Catholic Charities.

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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Thats right because its some of the scientists themselves, the academics, the gate keepers of the science that are doing it. Especially those in powerful positions with influence.

This has been known for some time.
If you were wondering... Now you have gotten to conspiracy theory.
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Judge sides with Babylon Bee, strikes down Newsom’s anti-deepfake law

Don't make assumptions about my political motivations. Deepfakes are a far more serious threat to accurate reporting of news than a stunt done in poor taste with an obvious prop.
I didn’t assume anything. I was comparing two examples of satire. Not everyone who didn’t like what Kathy Griffin did thought it was illegal or that she shouldn’t have done it. It was, after all, freedom of speech. It was crude and not funny in the least, but she had the right to do it.
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Pope Leo XIV meets Fr. James Martin at the Vatican

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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

I wonder how well read Dr. Michael Davidsson is on the Church Fathers. I couldn't find any information about him. It seems like he has been looking for quotes that support his position, without closer studying the whole letters.

From your Reformed lenses it may seem these quotes describe total depravity/total inability, but it's far from the truth. I made some comments under each quote.



Clement is saying we can not be righteous through out own actions, rather we need to turn to God through faith. He is demonstrating it's not by our righteous actions, but by faith.



This is the Pauline teaching the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. He is however not saying a carnal man can't turn to God to be a spiritual man.



Justin is saying we can't obtain eternal life on our own, we need Christ. He believes humans, aided by God’s grace can respond to Him. He's a strong proponent of free will.



Irenaeus is describing the situation of mankind. All have fallen in sin, and they will be judged accordingly (unless they repent).



Origen describes the whole mankind fallen in sin through Adam. We can't by our own free will have a clean heart. It's only by the help of God, therefore we are to pray to God to create a clean heart in us.




Lactantius says everything is given by God. It's He who enlightens us, adopts us, gives us the inheritance and it's not by ourselves. It's through God and it's to Him we need to turn.




Again it's the same theme. We our helpless without God and need to turn to Him. It's impossible to restore oneself to freedom and it's only through the aid of God.
This article exalts men and obviously denies that man by nature as the result of the fall in Adam are dead. The only thing now that can aide man is to be raised from the dead, and that's what Grace does Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

There is no Faith in a person dead in sin, Faith is a Gift of the Spirit and Grace
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53 People in the Bible Confirmed Archaeologically

A web-exclusive supplement to Lawrence Mykytiuk's BAR articles identifying real Hebrew Bible people

An earlier version of this Bible History Daily feature was originally published in 2014. It has been updated.—Ed.


1.-Sargon-II-Khorsabad-Bridgeman in 50 people in the Bible
Sargon II, one of fifty Hebrew Bible figures identified in the archaeological record.

In “Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible” in the March/April 2014 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Purdue University scholar Lawrence Mykytiuk lists 50 figures from the Hebrew Bible who have been confirmed archaeologically.

His follow-up article, “Archaeology Confirms 3 More Bible People,”published in the May/June 2017 issue of BAR, adds another three people to the list. The identified persons include Israelite kings and Mesopotamian monarchs as well as lesser-known figures.

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US loses last perfect credit rating amid rising debt

The USD seems to be losing its status as the global currency reserve.
Many nations are selling off BILLIONS in US bonds - China sold off over $340 billion.
The debt keeps climbing.

$1 TRILLION a year just to service the interest!

Trump's ever changing tariffs - based on whether or not he got soap in his eyes in the shower that morning - are not helping the global economy and American trade.

His insane BBB which gives $3 TRILLION in tax cuts over the next decade to billionaires while kicking the bottom 16 MILLION Americans off healthcare is not only a breach of election promises to curb the debt, but it is economically suicidal.

The world is watching - and starting to prepare for the end of American economic hegemony.
The end of the American advantage as the global currency reserve.

This brilliant analysis shows the weird way international borrowing of US bonds has propped up the US economy.
But if confidence in the US dollar vanishes - everything changes.
Inflation kick starts, importing all those manufactured goods and a quarter of your food all becomes more expensive - and the interest rates could rise. Then you're paying even MORE to service your debt.

Annually - the US is paying MORE ON DEBT than your entire military budget!
And that is unprecedented in developed economies.

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Over the past two decades, I have consistently observed that when a Republican holds the presidency, liberal economists assert that the BRICS nations are strengthening and may soon challenge the dominance of the US dollar. Conversely, when a Democrat is in office, conservative economists make similar predictions.

The US dollar will remain the dominant global currency, as no other currency currently has the capacity to replace it.

However, economic challenges arise in global trade. President Trump's policies have pushed US allies to develop new trade relationships among themselves and with former adversaries, often excluding the US. For example, Canada and Mexico are seeking closer ties with China and Europe, while Brazil has signed a decade-long agriculture and beef deal with China, previously a US market. Similarly, tariffs on India have led it to cooperate more with China, once an adversary. President Trump will leave office in 2029, but these shifting trade alliances could endure for generations.
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Hamas knows exactly what it is doing. Starvation is a bargaining chip; the emaciated hostage is a living press release.

Israel continues to help the United States deal with traditional security threats. The two countries share intelligence on terrorism, nuclear proliferation, and Middle Eastern politics. Israel's military experiences have shaped the United States' approach to counterterrorism and homeland security. The two governments work together to develop sophisticated military technology, such as the David's Sling counter-rocket and Arrow missile defense systems, which may soon be ready for export to other U.S. allies. Israel has also emerged as an important niche defense supplier to the U.S. military, with sales growing from $300 million per year before September 11 to $1.1 billion in 2006, due to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel's military research and development complex has pioneered many cutting-edge technologies that are transforming the face of modern war, including cyberweapons, unmanned vehicles (such as land robots and aerial drones), sensors and electronic warfare systems, and advanced defenses for military vehicles.

The U.S.-Israeli alliance has paved the way for the countries to cooperate on far more than just traditional security issues. In part because of the long-standing political and security relationship between the United States and Israel, most Israelis know the United States and harbor positive feelings toward it. Israeli companies looking for a global market for their products have often viewed their American counterparts as partners of choice. So today, Israeli civilian technological innovations are helping the United States maintain its economic competitiveness, promote sustainable development, and address a range of non-military security challenges.

Dozens of leading U.S. companies have set up technology incubators in Israel to take advantage of the country's penchant for new ideas, which is why Bill Gates observed in 2006 that the "innovation going on in Israel is critical to the future of the technology business." Likewise, Israeli high-tech firms often turn to U.S. companies as partners for joint production and marketing opportunities in the United States and elsewhere, creating tens of thousands of American jobs. And although Israelis make up just three percent of the population of the Middle East, in 2011 Israel was the destination of 25 percent of all U.S. exports to the region, having recently eclipsed Saudi Arabia as the top market there for American products.


The US-Israeli relationship is mostly a relic of the Cold War. Like the US involvement in Vietnam, it's part of a colonial legacy that has been bequeathed to the US. Now that the Cold War is over, and Israel is firmly in the hands of a government opposed to liberal democratic norms and international law, the calculus of the relationship has shifted more towards liability than asset.
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How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

So it all depends on how bad a person is, right?
All people are saved. All devils, condemned
Can demons be saved? How about evil doers, like those that profess the devil as their god?
That is overt activity of devils in the person. But all have the activity regardless, Romans 3:9
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