• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

The world heard JD Vance being booed at the Olympics. Except for viewers in the US.

Because the naming conventions of a different socio-cultural group speaking a different language 2,000 years ago have so much relevancy to modern attempts to disparage a politician through the tactic of guilt by association.

:rolleyes:
I was trying to illustrate the irony of a christian trying to denigrate Obama by using his middle-eastern sounding middle name while simultaneously worshiping a middle eastern man named Bin Yusuf.

I probably made that point poorly.
Upvote 0

There Is Only One Human Nature

What we want is not the same as who we are.


“I couldn’t help seducing my best friend’s wife. It’s just my nature.”

“I’m a hothead. I admit it. I was born that way. Deal with it.”

“You say I’m a liar, but I say you’re a loser. I’m good at lying, and I play the game with whatever nature gave me.”

“I’m a woman in a man’s body. Stop denying my reality.”

Popular culture drums into us the theme that each person’s nature is different. So far, we are oddly selective. For example, the idea of a promiscuous nature is greeted much more warmly than the idea of an adulterous one. Still, if we can have different natures, then how can we be measured by the same natural law?

People are different. From the fact that their personalities are different, though, it doesn’t follow that their natures are different. The virtues are good for all human beings; the vices are bad for all of them. If, for example, I have stronger inclinations to philandering, bad temper or drunkenness than you do, that doesn’t show that I have a different nature or a different virtue than you do, but that I have a character defect. If so, then truly “affirming” me wouldn’t mean encouraging my disordered desires, but encouraging me to keep them in check.


When it comes to drunkenness, most people get this. We don’t say I have a “drunk nature” so that I should get smashed every day; instead we encourage sobriety. Unfortunately, when it comes to certain other areas of life, we don’t get it. To mention just one of them: We call it mean and “judgmental” to encourage sexual purity, because “each person has a different nature.” You may be a one-woman man, but for all you know I’m a 64-woman man. Don’t judge me, bro.

Continued below.

Why do we do things not written in the Bible?

It can't be all the Mosaic Law, because Paul says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
The 10 commandments were repeated into Jesus two love commandments which we follow with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Christian does not follow the letter of the law which only convicted without giving anyone a means to repentance. Jesus did that.

If you bother to read the verses that you posted outside of your legalistic view you would see that the “commandments” that Paul refers to here are all dependent on Jesus commandment of love your neighbor. The verse reads that if anyone keeps the love your neighbor command all other commands are kept from that one commandment. This is a big difference that you are not able to grasp.
Upvote 0

Two Aspects of Salvation (Believers Need to Be Concerned With):

Favouritism would be covered by showing love to your neighbour!
It's good that you understand that. Everything in the Law of Moses is covered by the greatest two commandments, which is why they are the greatest two commandments and why Jesus said that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that Gentiles should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that Gentiles should obey the rest of the Law of Moses.
Upvote 0

Trump only invites Republican governors to the White House, 'uninvites' the vice chair of the bipartisan National Governors Association to dinner

Nothing unusual here. Presidents of both parties have invited meetings with groups of people of their own party plenty of times in the past.
Here's just one example: Obama Invites House Democrats to White House
It wasn't just "a meeting." It was the National Governor's Association dinner of which Moore is the vice chair, a bi-partisan position to which he was elected by both Republican and Democratic governors.

Your Obama example was an expressly partisan strategy meeting regarding the shutdown that was going on at that time. You know that's not nearly the same thing, right?
Upvote 0

Protest / Right or No Right To Bear Arms

Did his “threatening” rise to the need to use “lethal force” in order to make him cease the threatening behavior?
Agents thought so.
I know that you cannot be enjoying having to defend this position, but you’re doing it gamely nonetheless.
Why?
It's right.
Upvote 0

About Lk 18 : 18-19

Even in Satan's temptation, one could see love. After all, doesn't he seem to want good for the creature?
Hello Pierre, I'm trying to get caught up, so I've returned to this thread as well (as I think that there was a little bit more to discuss).

Before we continue though, I asked you about the quote above in my last post, but I don't believe that you've addressed it yet (or I missed it if you did). So again, when you say that "in Satan's temptation, one can see love", and that "he (Satan) seems to want good for the creature", why do you feel that either of those ideas are true, and also, where do we find either one of those ideas being expressed in the Scriptures?

Thanks!

--David
Upvote 0

One Faith, One Lord, One Baptism, One God and Father of ALL

One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism: Why Paul’s Words Still Divide the Church
By Michael Del Brown
Few biblical phrases are quoted more confidently—and examined less carefully—than Paul’s declaration in Ephesians 4:5: “One Lord, one faith, one baptism.” The verse is frequently invoked to promote unity, yet paradoxically, baptism remains one of the most divisive practices within modern Christianity.
The division is not merely denominational. It is theological. And at its core lies a fundamental question: Which baptism is Paul referring to?
For many believers, baptism is assumed—almost instinctively—to mean water baptism. It is treated as a universal ordinance, binding on all Christians in every age. But when Paul’s writings are examined on their own terms, a striking tension emerges—one that the modern church has often overlooked.
In 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul makes a statement that should stop us cold: “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” This is not a casual remark. It is a deliberate distinction. Paul separates his gospel commission from water baptism in a way no other apostle ever does.
If water baptism were essential to the gospel Paul preached—if it were the outward sign of entrance into the body of Christ—his words would be incomprehensible, even irresponsible. Yet Paul doubles down on this distinction throughout his epistles.
In Romans 6, Paul speaks of baptism not in terms of ritual, but reality: believers are baptized into Christ’s death, buried with Him, and raised to newness of life. The agent of this baptism is not water, but the Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, Paul is explicit: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.”
This baptism is not performed by human hands. It is not administered by clergy. It is not repeated, recorded, or photographed. It occurs the moment a person believes the gospel of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. It is inward, spiritual, and effectual.
By contrast, water baptism—while commanded in Israel’s prophetic program and practiced under the kingdom gospel—belongs to a different context. John’s baptism was explicitly “for Israel” (Acts 13:24). Peter’s call at Pentecost tied baptism to repentance and covenantal restoration (Acts 2:38). These were not abstract symbols; they were covenantal acts rooted in Israel’s national hope.
Paul never places water baptism at the center of justification, salvation, or church unity. In fact, when the Corinthians began forming identities around who baptized whom, Paul rebuked
them sharply. His concern was not improper administration, but misplaced emphasis. The cross—not the water—had become secondary.
This distinction matters because theology shapes practice. When churches conflate Israel’s ordinances with Paul’s gospel, confusion follows. Salvation becomes something supplemented rather than received. Assurance becomes fragile. Unity becomes institutional rather than spiritual.
Paul’s gospel proclaims a finished work. Christ’s death was sufficient. His resurrection was decisive. The believer’s identification with Him is complete—without ritual reinforcement. To insist on water baptism today as a requirement, or even as a normative expression of obedience, risks obscuring the very sufficiency Paul labored to defend.
This is not an argument against baptismal history or against sincere believers who practice it. It is a call to rightly divide the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). Scripture does not flatten God’s unfolding purposes into a single undifferentiated system. Distinctions are not divisions; they are clarifications.
The tragedy is that Paul’s unique apostleship—to the Gentiles, with the revelation of the mystery—has often been absorbed into a broader narrative that was never meant to contain it. When that happens, the church loses sight of what makes the body of Christ distinct: not ritual continuity, but spiritual union.
“One Lord, one faith, one baptism” is not a slogan. It is a doctrinal anchor. And according to Paul, that one baptism is the Spirit’s work—not man’s ceremony.
If the modern church hopes to recover true unity, it must begin where Paul began: not at the font, but at the cross.
And I am FASCINATED by those that quote Eph 4:5 that reads ONE. // HEIS. LORD , ONE //. HEIS ,FAITH

ONE // BAPTISM.

# A AND do you all know that there is ONLY ONE // HEIS , FAITH in Rom 16 :26. Having. been made known to
\
all the Gentiles for OBEDIENCEOF FAITH

And whose FAITH IS IT , by keeping. the LAW or are you IMITATORS. of Paul in 1 Cor. 11:1.

# B. And Eph 4:5 reads ONE // HEIS BAPTISMA and just check. the Greek text and all will see BAPTISMA

IS USED 22 TIMES from Matthew. to 1 Peter 3:2

#C THERE IS BAPTISMOS

# D BAPTO

# E. BAPTISM

# F. BAPTISMA

# G BAPTIZED

# E SPINKING

# F. WASH

# G AND why did John BAPTIZED Jesus and never heard that one and if you say to fill all. righteousness you

have. not answered IT !!

dan p
Upvote 0

House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote

The government assumes that the people are not honest enough to vouch for themselves as citizens?
My! It’s almost like the Government doesn’t trust us.

It's not that the government doesn't trust the people, just people who vote for Democrats.
Upvote 0

Iam hora est: on the SSPX announcement of episcopal consecrations

July 1, 2026 will dawn, and with it shall come either joy or sorrow; the Church shall either rejoice in her greater unity with the new bishops, perhaps even with the participation of a consecrator delegated by the Pope, or she shall be wounded further by deeper division. Iam hora est – now is the time to make a difference.

A century of hair shows how lead exposure collapsed

Glad that someone mentioned tetraethyl lead. That was the major source of lead in most of the US environment. Lead paint got a lot of the attention back then, but unless a child ingested it, say by chewing painted wood or dried flakes, it was pretty inert. And while no doubt some children did just that, I don’t think it was as widespread as feared. Tetraethyl lead was everywhere, courtesy of auto exhaust.
It “done things” to the Silent and Boomer generations that we cannot even imagine nor throughly comprehend.
Cognitive things.
Upvote 0

What if I hate myself?

Self-hatred is a crushing experience. A friend once told me that when his father was teaching him to shave, he said, “the hardest part of shaving every day is looking at the man in the mirror.” For those who struggle with self-loathing, that daily encounter can be profoundly painful. What, then, are Christians to do when they find themselves hating who they are?

First, we must clarify that self-hatred does happen. Some are confused by Paul’s statement in Ephesians 5:29, “For no one ever hated his own flesh.” Paul is speaking proverbially. Like the Proverbs themselves, he uses universal language to communicate a general truth. Generally speaking, people seek their own preservation. Yet in our fallen world, self-loathing — though not universal — is tragically real.

So how should a Christian respond?

First, look up


Continued below.

Can a faithful Christian be damned for not being baptized?

I recently spent time at a well-known prayer retreat where believers gather to seek healing, repentance, and a closer walk with God. It was there where I met a fellow believer whose passion for repentance and obedience was unmistakable. Later, during fellowship in my own home, that passion collided with conviction.

What followed was not a calm theological discussion, but a raised-voice argument — one that escalated into a painful exchange in front of his wife. It was ugly. I regret letting it reach that point.

The issue at the center of the conflict was baptism — and whether a person who has never been baptized can truly be saved.

That experience forced me to step back, not just to reexamine the theology, but to ask a more sobering question: What happens when deeply held beliefs about obedience begin to eclipse grace—and fracture fellowship in the process?

Christians across Evangelical traditions agree on this much: baptism matters. Jesus commanded it. The apostles practiced it. The Church has cherished it as a public declaration of faith and identification with Christ.

Continued below.
I believe we need to be baptized for salvation; I believe the Lord will baptize those through no fault of their own did not receive the sacrament ( Matthew 3:11-12, Luke 3:15-17). This, I believe, is within the scope of what the Lord says in John 3:5-8.

The Lord said to not deny the children ( Mark 10:13-16 etc.). I doubt there is an exception for baptism of infants.

It appears that the early Christians had a fairly wide belief in the innocence of children. An account from a non Christian observer, Aristides, noted this in a brief report meant for the emperor Hadrian ( 125 AD ):



And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God; and if moreover it happen to die in childhood, they give thanks to God the more, as for one who has passed through the world without sins.




Aristides later became a Christian and is recognized as a saint. The account is from the 15th chapter of his ( about 10 printed pages) letter.


Upvote 0

Hindu mob attacks house church, beats pastor and forces him to walk on thorns

Congregation fears police left their pastor to die after failing to intervene

NEW DELHI — As police looked on, a Hindu nationalist mob in India subjected a pastor to dehumanizing brutality, damaging his hearing in the process as they tried to force him to worship a Hindu deity.

The mob of 150 villagers led garlanded Pastor Bipin Bihari Naik, 35, like a cow by stringing his sandals around his neck and made him walk on thorns as they assaulted him while parading him through Parjang village, Dhenkanal District, Odisha state, on Jan. 4.

Along with tying him to a Hindu temple and forcing him to chant Hindu slogans, they tried to make him drink water mixed with cow dung, the sources said.

Continued below.

Nancy Guthrie’s pastor prays for her safe return, for God to soften hearts of kidnappers

Pastor John Tittle of St. Andrew’s Presbyterian Church in Tucson, Arizona, where Nancy Guthrie, the missing 84-year-old mother of "Today" show co-host Savannah Guthrie, has been a member for 30 years, prayed earnestly with his congregation Sunday for her safe return and that God would soften the hearts of her kidnappers.

“Calm them in the storm. Lord God, bless and guide the authorities in their search for Nancy. Give them wisdom along every step of the path to her,” Tittle prayed during the worship service. “Lord, we ask that you would soften the hearts of those who are responsible that they might come forward and do what is humane and what is right. [We] pray for mercy, for grace to prevail.”

The prayer came just hours after Savannah Guthrie and her siblings, Camron and Annie Guthrie, said in a video Saturday that they are willing to pay a ransom for their mother’s return as authorities moved into the second week of searching for Nancy Guthrie.

Continued below.

How Trump Has Pocketed $1,408,500,000

You're making the claim. That is an rather uphill claim I think not true at all. I think it more the case of paid street registrars making up fake names of people who will never vote. I await being shown otherwise.
Login to view embedded media Have fun!
Upvote 0

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,882,663
Messages
65,483,656
Members
276,617
Latest member
Pellonpekko