stevevw said:

I think you may have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I am not saying God is the problem but actually fallen man who claims to know better and defies God. That only a person renewed in mind and spirit in Christ will ever be able to have a chance at being truely good to lead the people.

Therefore the logical assumption is that those in power who lead and are not renewed in Christ will inevitably be corrupted one way or another.

As though this is our measuring stick that can tell us ultimately though leaders claim to be moral such as being Woke or Humanist or whatever ideology used to replace God. That this will ultimately be corrupted and will should not be surpiised when we see such corruption come out today in leadership.

But I think you have highlighted another aspect. If this is the case that those who defy God blantly, ie have known God and His way but still defy Him then Gods judgement and punishment will also come upon them in one way or another.

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Well, the thought behind what I wrote was, slander, gossip, idle talk is so serious and damaging even though it may seem harmless.

W hen the great Prophetess Miriam, Moses older sister spoke with Aaron about Moses relationship with his wife God was enraged.

If Miriam was punished for seemingly harmless chitter chatter, how much more then should we avoid getting involved in such.

Thereof, Deuteronomy 24:9, to remind oneself.

truthuprootsevil said:

You see if the day of the Lord occurs after the millennium it will not come as a thief in the night, EVERYBODY that is alive whether damned or saved will know.

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What I said and believe, is the terrible Day of the Lords wrath, is the next Prophesied event we can expect. It will come as a surprise to all.
Jesus does not Return in vengeance and fiery wrath.

The glorious Return and the final Judgment will be known, as we get nearer to the times.

another_lost_guy said:

Are there saints or church fathers who wrote anything about it? Is anyone here homeless?

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Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
Please be faithful to hold Neostar’s body and soul together throughout the maze of medical treatments he has to endure. I pray for wisdom for him, that he may best know how to comfort his wife during her time of grief. I pray for relief from guilt as well, that he may remember that You have paid for his sins, and strength to apologize to his wife, and rest for them both,
In Christ’s Name,
Amen

Both, probably cats a little more than dogs though.

Football or Fútbol?

Factotum said:

I definitely agree that Jordan is THEE ABSOLUTE WORST in history, when it comes to drama... here's my choice, for his worst drama moment:
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...and when it comes to TEAM sports, I stand with Magic Johnson re: the NBA ...when he said it is illogical to use the amount of titles won, to determine the GOAT player in a team sport. Because winning titles = there are just 'too many moving parts' that are impossible to give proper credit to.

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Bill Russell has the most titles, but 6 and 0 in titles with Jordan as the leader is very impressive. I think that older poeple who grew up watching Jordan are generally going to pick him. Lebron is a beast though and I doubt we will see another player that is similar to his skills perhaps ever again.

Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
Please watch over the health of this family, and be faithful to heal as needed.
In Christ’s Name,
Amen

Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
I pray for healing for Jakeb’s stomach. Please keep Carmen’s husband safe, and help her to be free from worry.
In Christ’s Name,
Amen

Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
I pray for healing for Carmen and her various health problems. Help her to be there for her family and not to be sick and in pain.
In Christ’s Name,
Amen

Gene2memE said:

This one was actually done by the book. The seizure appears to be a legal under US law and at least defensible under international maritime law.

However, if you were looking to calm down US-Venezuela tensions, this REALLY doesn't help. One would think that this sort of action amounts to deliberate provocation.

This seizure also shows the Trump Administration's hypocrisy over its recent actions across the Caribbean with the drone strikes AND its lack of action concerning sanctioned Russian oil vessels.

To conduct this seizure, the US co-ordinated elements from the FBI, US Navy, US Coast Guard and various other Homeland Security investigation/intelligence organs and put physical elements (ships, helos) into harms way in international waters. Yet, it is very deliberately NOT doing this to seize the "drug boats" and arrest their crews, instead choosing extrajudicial execution as a strategy.

Also, the US has sanctioned more than 180 Russian oil tankers. I wonder how the Trump administration would react to proposals that it pull similar seizures on Russian vessels in the Mediterranean?

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The Europeans should do this all the false flag ships that the Russians use. Many of those ships too have environmental problems. Russia’s shadow fleet accused of polluting EU waters

I suppose they are too afraid to stop them? They have prosecuted a few that have cut underwater cables though.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Delvianna said:

AI's logic isn't even that good because it bases its answers on whatever you want to hear. It will bypass logic rules if the answer will make you happy. It learns what you like and manipulates the answers based on that. It's called Reinforcement Learning From Human Feedback (RLHF) and ALL large models like ChatGPT and Gemini are trained using that.

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Well, "Artificial Intelligence" (AI) can not tell me what I want to hear, if I have not given it feedback, I would think. For example, when I ask for a sermon about "humildad" in Spanish so I can see what vocabulary is used to communicate about humility in Spanish . . . I haven't given AI any info about what I feel and believe, or why I am doing the search. Also, of course, I check websites for messages on a subject; and I need to be attentive to what Spanish messages might say that can help me to become genuinely humble like Jesus.

What I think I have seen, though, is how AI can give a message that might have some scriptural content, but also it can tend to be about what I can get for myself, not emphasizing all that is for God and what His purpose is > Romans 8:29. And I can be told I control choices, in fact controlling what God has "permission" to do!! However, there are people who slip this kind of thing into their sermons, also; so not only AI might tell people some "soft" message not really requiring what Jesus expects with us.

Even if AI is "objective", it can be limited to what is on the Net . . . that people have written. And some number of people are limited to their own ability to prepare messages, while others are selling their ministry even though Jesus says >

"Freely you have received, freely give." (in Matthew 10:8)

And while ones are ministering for sale, they can be operating in a spirit not freely giving so their ministry is defective because it is in an un-freely-giving spirit and not in the ability of the Holy Spirit. For example, ones can make a major thing of what is for you, and how you learn to control the devil and you control what God does with you or not. There can be nothing about submitting to God and how He makes our character submissive so we can obey Him in His peace > Colossians 3:15.

And "Heaven" can be treated as what is for you . . . with little or no attention to how Jesus is > as our example so that, for God, we become and love like Jesus. Instead, we can hear and read quite a lot about how great Heaven is going to be, for us, and be stirred-up with this. Plus, there can be quite a lot about how God so loves us and has done so much for us, without mention of how God's unconditional love and Jesus dying for us is our *example*to*follow* >

"forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (in Ephesians 4:32)

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

Plus, it appears that a number of ministers talk about God's chastening/correction/discipline as more of a way to punish us or pressure us to do what He wants. But I offer that Hebrews 12:4-14 shows that our Father's real correction is in our character, changing us to share with Him in His own holiness in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness". In other words, He corrects our character to become like Jesus so we are submissive to our Father, like Jesus is, plus we are loving like Jesus, and Jesus in us shares with us in our character so we become pleasing to our Father like Jesus is so pleasing.

So, then, perhaps we could say that real correction is focused on how Jesus is so pleasing to our Father . . . while human teaching about correction can be so focused on things we are or are not doing and our own ability to decide what we want to do. To me, it seems that both AI but also human ministers can tend to focus more on us humans!!

But every scripture can be used by God to minister us into the likeness of Christ and how He loves and how He is so pleasing to our Father, sharing this with us, as Jesus grows in us as our new inner Person > I mean how God means Galatians 4:19 >

"My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19)

Shane R said:

6 years.

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She can do it then. There is plenty of prayer time there, and she can focus on all the right grades and characteristics that they like at the Citadel. Jesus please help Shane R's oldest daughter get into the Citadel, and if You really have another plan for her life, please guide her to what it is and enable her to enjoy it.

probinson said:

Why even have VAERS if the reaction is always to just discard it completely? You say it's to "track trends", but clearly you don't believe that since you say it can't be used as "proof of anything".

VAERS exists so that public health agencies can say we have a system for tracking vaccine injuries while summarily dismissing everything it contains.

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it isn't proof, nor can it be used as proof, it's a, "Hmmmm okay suddenly an upshot of people having this kind of complication, lets see if related." and thats when you find out oh it isn't. Self reporting is unreliable as a source on it's own.

The gospel of Nicodemus which is actually inspired written pre 70 AD makes it clear 5500 is the original numbers based on the dimensions of the ark in Exodus 25:10 of 2.5 by 1.5 by 1.5 cubits which adds up to 5.5 which the Israelites understood to mean the messiah would come 5500 years from creation. Those ark numbers are the same in all hand written versions of the OT. It is also quoting the life of Adam, and Eve 5500 messianic prophecy which early Christians believes was written by Moses.

Here is the timeline based on Gospel of Nicodemus. It is 70 years short possibly textual variant

Creation 5430 BC
Flood 3218 BC
Tower of Babel 2687 BC
Abraham born or died? 2081 BC (modern date 2000-2200 BC depending on MT or LXX)
Exodus from Egypt 1611 BC (1446 BC is modern date)
Solomons temple build 1100 BC (967 BC is modern date)
Solomons temple destroyed 636 BC (587 BC is the modern date)
Jesus born 4BC -1BC.



Those dates came from this section: it says the dates are in Ezras books but they are not in Ezra/1 Esdras/2 Esdras so it is possibly citing lost works of Ezra. It is citing Life of Adam, and Eve with the 5500 year prophecy, and the extra 70 books outside the normal canon for the worthy only which is in 2 Esdras.

. Now our custom is that every year before our assembly we open this holy Bible and inquire the testimony of God. And we have found in the first book of the Seventy how that Michael the angel spake unto the third son of Adam the first man concerning the five thousand and five hundred years, wherein should come the most beloved Son of God, even Christ: and furthermore we have thought that peradventure this same was the God of Israel which said unto Moses: Make thee an ark of the covenant in length two cubits and a half, and in breadth one cubit and a half, and in height one cubit and a half. For by those five cubits and a half we have understood and known the fashion of the ark of the old covenant, for that in five thousand and a half thousand years Jesus Christ should come in the ark of his body: and we have found that he is the God of Israel, even the Son of God. For after his passion, we the chief of the priests, because we marvelled at the signs which came to pass on his account did open the Bible, and searched out all the generations unto the generation of Joseph, and Mary the mother of Christ, taking her to be the seed of David: and we found that from the day when God made the heaven and the earth and the first man, from that time unto the Flood are 2,212 years: and from the Flood unto the building of the tower 531 years: and from the building of the tower unto Abraham 606 years: and from Abraham unto the coming of the children of Israel out of Egypt 470 years: and from the going of the children of Israel out of Egypt unto the building of the temple 511 years: and from the building of the temple unto the destruction of the same temple 464 years: so far found we in the Bible of Esdras: and inquiring from the burning of the temple unto the coming of Christ and his birth we found it to be 636 years, which together were five thousand and five hundred years like as we found it written in the Bible that Michael the archangel declared before unto Seth the third son of Adam, that after five thousand and a half thousand years Christ the Son of God hath (? should) come

President Donald Trump said he remains open to meeting with Pope Leo XIV and insisted he wasn't aware of the pontiff's comments expressing disagreement with his immigration policies.

In an interview with Trump broadcast on Tuesday, Politico’s Dasha Burns asked the president to weigh in on the pope's characterization of his immigration policies as “inhumane.” Trump insisted he hadn't heard the comments before launching into a defense of his policies to combat illegal immigration that went largely unenforced under his predecessor, former President Joe Biden.

“I haven’t heard any statements from the pope,” he said. “I’m sure he’s a lovely man. His brother’s a lovely man.”

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⭐ 1. Revelation itself IDENTIFIES the city that kills the prophets
⭐ Revelation 11:8 “The great city… where also their Lord was crucified. It is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.” Only one city qualifies: Jerusalem. The phrase “where their Lord was crucified” is geographically specific.

⭐ 2. Only Jerusalem is the city that kills prophets (Jesus’ own words)
⭐ Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you…”
⭐ Luke 13:33 “It cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.” Revelation 18 says of Mystery Babylon:
⭐ Revelation 18:24 “In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints…” Jesus says prophets are killed in Jerusalem. Revelation says prophets are killed in Babylon. Therefore → The city = Jerusalem. No other city in the Bible kills prophets.

⭐ 3. Jerusalem is repeatedly called a HARLOT in the Old Testament Revelation 17 calls Mystery Babylon “the great harlot.” So does the OT, referring to Jerusalem:
⭐ Isaiah 1:21 “How the faithful city has become a harlot!” This is the same accusation Revelation makes.
⭐ Ezekiel 16:15 “You trusted in your beauty and played the harlot…”
⭐ Ezekiel 16:26 “You committed harlotry with the Egyptians…”
⭐ Ezekiel 16:28 “You played the harlot with Assyria…”
⭐ Ezekiel 23:1–49 Jerusalem (“Oholibah”) and Samaria (“Oholah”) are called: “harlots” “adulteresses” women committing fornication with foreign nations This is near-identical language to Revelation 17. Thus, long before Revelation, Jerusalem = Harlot City in prophecy.

⭐ 4. Jerusalem is called SODOM — same as Mystery Babylon Revelation 11:8 identifies the great city as: Sodom Egypt The OT also calls Jerusalem Sodom:
⭐ Isaiah 1:10 “Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom… you people of Gomorrah!”
⭐ Ezekiel 16:46–55 Jerusalem compared to Sodom repeatedly. Jerusalem is spiritually: Sodom Gomorrah Revelation uses the SAME labels.

⭐ 5. Jerusalem is called EGYPT — same as Mystery Babylon Revelation 11:8 explicitly says Jerusalem is Egypt spiritually. The OT establishes this pattern:
⭐ Hosea 11:5 “He shall return to Egypt…” (Israel’s judgment)
⭐ Deuteronomy 28:68 Israel will be sent “back to Egypt” in judgment. Thus, “Egypt” is a Bible nickname for apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

⭐ Jeremiah 25:11–12 The nations drinking the cup of wrath includes Jerusalem first (Jer 25:18), just as Babylon brings wrath to the nations. Jerusalem becomes like Babylon when judged.

⭐ 7. Revelation’s description of the “Great City” matches Jerusalem, not Rome (a) The city where Jesus was crucified Only Jerusalem (Rev. 11:8) (b) The city that kills prophets Only Jerusalem (Matt. 23:37; Rev. 18:24) (c) The city drunk with blood of saints Jerusalem repeatedly killed the righteous (Matt. 23:35). (d) The harlot imagery OT consistently uses this language for Jerusalem (Isa 1; Ezek 16; 23).

⭐ 8. Additional OT parallels between Jerusalem and Mystery Babylon
⭐ Jeremiah 6:6 “This is the city to be visited… wickedness is found in her.”
⭐ Jeremiah 13:27 “Your adulteries, your neighings… I have seen your abominations, O Jerusalem.”
⭐ Lamentations 1–2 (especially 1:8–9, 1:17) Jerusalem’s fall described with language similar to Revelation 18.
⭐ Micah 3:9–12 In the 500s BC Jerusalem is judged, destroyed, and burned → parallel to Rev. 17–18.



Note Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD, and Jerusalem was called Sodom, and Egypt then. When it is judged again in the future it is called mystery Babylon. Revelation 13-22 is still future.

Revelation 17 2
2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

Revelation 18

9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

The kings of the earth - all the political leaders in the world- go to Jerusalem to worship satan at the brick wall which is committing spiritual fornication/adultery - so they can get money from the people that say they are Jews but lie they are the synagogue of satan (SOS) as they own the worlds banking systems. Notice the people are calling the city Babylon- it is no longer a metaphor at that point in time- conclusion- Jerusalem will be renamed BABYLON by the SOS themselves. The reason is they like the tower of Babel concept

Genesis 11 4
Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

Zionism for the SOS is the same concept- they say let us make a country for ourselves in Palestine which is where ancient Israel was, and a name for ourselves- "Israel", and let us not be scattered among the nations because of what happened to us in 70 AD. We can trick people into believing we are old covenant Israel (which actually ended with Jesus, then 70 AD never to return again). Also they like the name Babylon because in Daniels Babylon everyone had to worship a golden statue or die just like when the SOS messiah comes everyone will have to worship their messiah or die. Revelation 13 mark of the beast is the hexagram.

Revelation 17 4
4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries

Which is what the Levites wore in Exodus 39- Leviticus 2

Exodus 39
39 And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the Lord commanded Moses.
2 And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.
3 And they did beat the gold into thin plates, and cut it into wires, to work it in the blue, and in the purple, and in the scarlet, and in the fine linen, with cunning work.
4 They made shoulder pieces for it, to couple it together: by the two edges was it coupled together.
5 And the curious girdle of his ephod, that was upon it, was of the same, according to the work thereof; of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen; as the Lord commanded Moses.
6 And they wrought onyx stones inclosed in ouches of gold, graven, as signets are graven, with the names of the children of Israel.
7 And he put them on the shoulders of the ephod, that they should be stones for a memorial to the children of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses.

The church is the third temple the Israel of God born in a day on Pentecost, and believers body has the spirit of God in it but maybe the SOS will build a replica temple of the OT to worship satan in.


Revelation 17
8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.

That could be referring to OT Solomonic Israel when it was at its peak but was not in the first century but will be restored to that (and more).

So Jerusalem will be world capital one day. A huge trade city like New York or London or Sydney or Hong Kong etc. But God will destroy it forever never to return again.
The new Jerusalem is the promise land now

Most of these prophecies were about either the Babylonian, Maccabean or 70 AD judgment on Jerusalem.

⭐ PART 1 — OLD JERUSALEM: THE CITY IN SIN / UNDER JUDGMENT​

These verses describe the current/old Jerusalem as:

• harlot
• unfaithful
• judged
• destroyed
• not God’s final dwelling place

Isaiah 1:21​

“How the faithful city has become a harlot!”

Isaiah 3:8​

“Jerusalem is ruined, Judah has fallen…”

Isaiah 29:1–4​

Jerusalem (Ariel) will be:

• besieged
• humbled
• brought low

Jeremiah 4:14–18​

“O Jerusalem… your wickedness”
Judgment is coming.

Jeremiah 6:6​

“This is the city to be punished…”

Jeremiah 13:27​

“Your adulteries… I have seen your abominations, O Jerusalem.”

Jeremiah 19:3–11​

Jerusalem will be smashed like a potter’s vessel.

Jeremiah 22:5–9​

Jerusalem will become a desolation.

Jeremiah 26:18​

“Zion shall be plowed like a field…”

Ezekiel 4–5​

Jerusalem judged for iniquity.

Ezekiel 12:19–20​

Jerusalem becomes waste and desolation.

Ezekiel 16 (entire chapter)​

Jerusalem =

• harlot
• adulteress
• worse than Sodom
• judged by foreign nations

Ezekiel 23 (entire chapter)​

Jerusalem (Oholibah) commits harlotry with nations → judged violently.

Micah 3:9–12​

Jerusalem will be destroyed, Zion plowed, temple burned.

Lamentations 1–2​

Jerusalem sits desolate, destroyed, judged.

Zechariah 7:11–14​

God scattered Jerusalem because she refused to obey.

Matthew 23:37–39​

“Your house is left to you desolate.”

Luke 19:41–44​

Jesus weeps over Jerusalem → predicts its destruction.

Luke 21:20–24​

Jerusalem will be

• surrounded by armies
• trampled by Gentiles

Revelation 11:8​

The old Jerusalem is:

• the city “where the Lord was crucified”
• spiritually Sodom and Egypt

This identifies it as the apostate Jerusalem.

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⭐ PART 2 — NEW JERUSALEM: THE FUTURE / HEAVENLY CITY OF GOD​

Now the contrast transitions: old city judged → new city replaces it.

Isaiah 2:2–4​

Jerusalem in the last days =

• mountain of YHWH
• nations come for teaching
• peace, not war

This is future, restored Jerusalem (fulfilled more fully in New Jerusalem).

Isaiah 4:2–6​

A purified remnant in Jerusalem under a cloud of glory → Eden restoration imagery.

Isaiah 12:6​

“Great is the Holy One of Israel in your midst.”

Isaiah 52:1–9​

Awake, O Zion — restored, redeemed.

Isaiah 54​

New covenant Jerusalem =

• barren woman now fruitful
• never forsaken again

Quoted by Paul in Galatians 4.

Isaiah 60–62 (major New Jerusalem chapters)​

Highlights:

• “Arise, shine, your light has come.”
• Nations bring wealth to Jerusalem.
• “Your walls Salvation, your gates Praise.”
• Jerusalem gets a new name from the Lord (Rev. 2:17, Rev. 3:12 connection).

Isaiah 65:17–19​

“I create new heavens and a new earth…
I create Jerusalem to be a joy.”


This is directly fulfilled in Revelation 21.

Isaiah 66:10–14​

Jerusalem as the comforting mother of God’s people.

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⭐ PART 3 — NEW JERUSALEM IN THE NEW TESTAMENT​

The NT draws a sharp contrast:

• Earthly Jerusalem = bondage
• New Jerusalem = freedom, mother of believers
• Heavenly Jerusalem = true city of God

⭐ Galatians 4:24–26​

“Now Hagar corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in bondage…
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.”


Clear distinction:

• “Present Jerusalem” = cursed, enslaved
• “Jerusalem above” = the true people of God

⭐ Hebrews 11:10, 16​

Abraham sought a city
“whose builder and maker is God.”


Not earthly Jerusalem.

⭐ Hebrews 12:22–23​

“You have come to Mount Zion and to the heavenly Jerusalem,
the city of the living God…”


Believers already belong to the heavenly city, not the old earthly one.

⭐ Revelation 3:12​

Jesus promises believers:
“I will write on him the name of the New Jerusalem.”

⭐ Revelation 21:1–2​

“I saw the New Jerusalem, coming down from heaven from God.”

⭐ Revelation 21:9–27; 22:1–5​

New Jerusalem =

• bride of the Lamb
• no temple
• glory of God is its light
• nations healed
• river of life
• tree of life

This is the final and eternal city, replacing the old.

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⭐ PART 4 — DIRECT OLD vs NEW JERUSALEM CONTRAST VERSES​

Here are the clearest direct contrasts:

Old Jerusalem = judged​

• Isa 1:21
• Jer 6:6
• Ezek 16
• Matt 23:37–39
• Luke 19:41–44
• Rev 11:8

New Jerusalem = redeemed, heavenly, eternal​

• Isa 65:17–19
• Isa 66:22
• Gal 4:26
• Heb 12:22
• Rev 21–22

Old Jerusalem = slavery​

New Jerusalem = freedom​

• Gal 4:24–26

Old Jerusalem = earthly​

New Jerusalem = heavenly​

• Heb 12:22
• Rev 21

Old Jerusalem = harlot​

New Jerusalem = bride​

• Ezek 16 (harlot)
• Rev 17 (harlot)
  vs
• Rev 21 (bride of the Lamb)

Old Jerusalem = desolate​

New Jerusalem = rejoicing​

• Matt 23:38
  vs
• Rev 21:3–4

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⭐ SUMMARY​

OLD JERUSALEM​

• sinful
• adulterous
• kills prophets
• judged
• desolate
• symbolically Egypt, Sodom, Babylon
• destroyed in AD 70 (Luke 21; Matt 22; Rev 11)

NEW JERUSALEM​

• heavenly
• bride of Christ
• free
• transformed
• holy
• eternal dwelling of God with His people
• descends from heaven (Rev. 21)

Everything in Scripture points to a transition:


Old covenant Jerusalem → removed
New covenant Jerusalem → established forever

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Christians are not supposed to be unequally yoked with Babylon Jerusalem, "Israel" (Christians are Jews Israel Romans 2 28 29 Galatians 6 16), and the synagogue of satan. They should be ignored.
Jesus on the pharisees whom the modern day synagogue of satans religion goes back to

Matthew 15:14

King James Version
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14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

A migrant on the run from police tried to evade recapture by hiding in a Christmas nativity scene in Italy, apparently pretending to be a shepherd.

The 38-year-old migrant from Ghana was on the run from a conviction for assault and resisting arrest.

He had been sentenced to nine months and 15 days in prison by a court in Bologna but then managed to evade the authorities and ended up in the small town of Galatone in the southern region of Puglia.


The fugitive’s ruse was rumbled when the mayor, who happened to be walking by, noticed a flicker of movement in the festive tableau, which has pride of place in the town in a square called Piazza Crocifisso (the Crucifix Piazza).

Photographs show him lurking at the back of the nativity scene with his arms held out, as if he is trying to mimic one of the life-size statues that made up the diorama.

He is standing amid bales of straw and amphorae, to the right of Joseph and Mary, who are beside the crib where a model of baby Jesus will be placed on Christmas Day.

It's all rather strange!

I. 100–400 AD — Christian Era: Greek Enoch circulates widely
✔ Multiple Greek manuscripts existed
Though none survive intact, we know from quotation chains that: Greek Enoch was widespread in Egypt, Syria, and Palestine Church fathers quote it with the phrase “as Enoch says…”
✔ Used by early Christian writers
Tertullian (AD 200) Treats Enoch as a true prophet Says Jews rejected it because it spoke of Christ Defends its authority
Athenagoras (177 AD) Uses Enoch’s angel-fall narrative
Irenaeus (180 AD) Uses Enochic interpretation of Genesis 6 Draws angelology from it
Clement of Alexandria (200 AD) Quotes Enoch as Scripture
Origen (230 AD) Uses Enoch in demonology
Lactantius (300 AD) Quotes Enoch in detail
Enoch in this period is preserved in Greek, not Hebrew/Aramaic.
✔ Why Greek matters: Greek was the dominant Christian language. If the early church had kept Enoch in continuous liturgical use, we would still have Greek manuscripts today. Instead, something changed:

⭐ III. 400–600 AD — The decline of Enoch in the West
✔ The church begins to restrict its canon After 325, certain books were preferentially copied: Genesis, Isaiah, gospels, Paul, etc. Books not in heavy use—like Enoch—were copied less.
✔ Two key reasons Enoch faded: Jewish communities stopped using it Rabbinic Judaism rejected books tied to the temple or apocalyptic tradition. Some Christian bishops distrusted its angelology Mainly because of the radical story of Watchers Not because they thought it was “fake” — but because it contradicted later theology
✔ Result: The Greek manuscripts slowly disappeared through lack of copying. Only small Greek fragments survived.

⭐ IV. 500–1500 AD — PRESERVED ONLY IN ETHIOPIA
This is the most important era for Enoch’s survival.
✔ Ethiopia kept Enoch in its biblical canon The Ethiopian Church (Ge’ez / Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo) is the only Christian tradition that: kept 1 Enoch regularly copied it translated it into Ge’ez treated it as Scripture never lost it
✔ Transmission language: Ge’ez Enoch became a standard book in the Ethiopian Bible, alongside: Jubilees 1–3 Meqabyan (unique Ethiopian books) other Enochic and apocalyptic materials
✔ Why Ethiopia preserved it: They preserved very old Jewish-Christian traditions that other churches left behind.
✔ Result: For almost 1,000 years (from ~600 to ~1600): The ONLY complete copies of 1 Enoch were Ethiopian (Ge’ez) The Greek tradition died out completely The Aramaic copies were buried at Qumran and forgotten

⭐ V. 1773 — The Great Rediscovery
James Bruce, a Scottish explorer, traveled to Ethiopia. He obtained: Three complete Ge’ez manuscripts of Enoch This shocked Europe: Up until then, people believed Enoch was “lost forever.” First modern translations: 1821: Richard Laurence published the first English translation 1851: Dillmann published the first critical edition in Ge’ez Enoch was restored to Western scholarship.

⭐ VI. 1947–1956 — Dead Sea Scrolls confirm authenticity
When the DSS were found: Eleven caves at Qumran preserved Aramaic fragments of Enoch These were dated from 200 BC to 50 AD This proved: ✔ The Ethiopian text was based on ancient originals ✔ Enoch existed long before Christianity ✔ Early Christians inherited it from Judaism ✔ Jude’s quotation is exactly accurate ✔ Transmission through Ethiopia preserved the full text faithfully This was one of the greatest manuscript confirmations in biblical studies.

⭐ VII. MODERN TRANSMISSION
✔ Critical Ge’ez editions Scholars produced editions comparing dozens of Ethiopian manuscripts.
✔ Modern English translations R.H. Charles (1906) E. Isaac (in Charlesworth’s Pseudepigrapha set, 1983) George Nickelsburg & James VanderKam (Hermeneia commentary)
✔ Modern reconstructions include: Aramaic DSS fragments Greek quotations Ge’ez manuscripts Thus the modern Enoch text is a composite reconstruction with extremely high confidence.

⭐ SUMMARY OF THE COMPLETE TRANSMISSION LINE
Here is the entire chain from Enoch → You:

⭐ ORIGINAL (Pre-flood)
Enoch gives revelations to Methuselah and his descendants.

⭐ ANCIENT HEBREW / EARLY ARAMAIC
Patriarchal transmission → early Israelite preservation.

⭐ SECOND TEMPLE JUDAISM (300–100 BC)
Aramaic copies used at Qumran, influencing: Jubilees DSS sect Early Judaism Christianity

⭐ EARLY CHURCH (100–400 AD)
Greek translations used across Christian world.

⭐ DECLINE IN WEST (400–600 AD)
Greek copies lost; Western church stops copying it.

⭐ ETHIOPIAN PRESERVATION (500–1800 AD)
Enoch survives ONLY in Ge’ez manuscripts.

⭐ REDISCOVERY (1773 AD)
James Bruce brings back Ge’ez copies.

⭐ DEAD SEA SCROLLS (1947)
Aramaic Enoch fragments confirm authenticity.

⭐ MODERN EDITIONS
Critical reconstructions published in all major languages.

samaus123456789 said:

Yes I am biased. You use whatever starting assumptions you have, and I will use mine. I have made a large number of novel discoveries of the bible long before I started using AI. AI works for me. How many novel discoveries have you had? My guess would be zero.

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Again, you miss the point. When your premise is, here is a framework for evaluating text that uses a standard to be reliable and then you introduce bias, that makes it then... unreliable. And I'm not here to prop up ego when scripture is against it, so I'm just going to ignore the rest of your response and move along. You do you.

Richard T said:

An outstanding teaching that is grounded in scripture. Thanks for poiting out some possible misconceptions.

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And many scriptures tells us to seek, ask, knock for truths. God wants us to search for the truth of him continually, so he hide things and reveal things to those who diligently search.
What Does the Bible Say About Seeking The Truth? What Does the Bible Say About Seeking The Truth?

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Jesus said the father will send you the holy spirit. There is your trinity doctrine in one sentence. and because I already know the answer to bible prophecy AI is amazing. I can copy paste my writings in it, and it formats it well which is what I did with Rev 12. I can put constraints on it to like only show stuff from before 70 ad or from before 500 ad. I already know every single bible text so know the rough answers anyway. So with my knowledge, and the assumptions I can ask it to start with it is amazing. It did not help me find anything new in Rev 12 I already knew everything I posted.

It helped me find an event in Josephus 67 AD Joppa harbour prophesied in Revelation 8 8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Judeans are on a lot of boats in Joppa harbour the boats crash against the rocks 4200 die and the water turns to blood. I never would of found that without AI.

I don't give AI far too much credit. For me AI is amazing. Don't use it if you don't like it.

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AI is incredibly biased, it already knows what you want to hear and will bend the truth. You're still forming your answers based on what its feeding you and you even admit "it helped me find" which the rest of that paragraph isn't based on facts, and is untrue. Historically, the entire fleet was destroyed, not "a third" and that's ignoring the rest of it.

But you clearly want to keep using it as it gives you wrong info, so that's entirely up to you.