Are you trying to derail the discussion by suggesting it is a “definition” issue?
No, the word baptism does obviously not always mean water baptism. But it seems many want to add water any time they read the word. Even in Matthew 28 it dies not say water baptism there. But many assume it does.
We agree, Baptism means “immersion”. The Bible has immersion/baptism for: water, Spirit, fire, the flood and the Jews going through the red sea.
Yes, and Matthew 28 does not add water. Ajso the saving baptism is into Jesus Christ, where we put on Christ. This is not water.
The only baptism or immersion we can do on another is water baptism.
You seem to forget when Peter was preaching the Holy Ghost fell in them that heard the word. Through the teaching and believing the word they were baptized with the Holy Ghost. Others put hands on others dvdbtget received the Spurit,etc. but we know that God is the one in spirit that gives spiritual immersion into Christ.
And it is by one spirit we are all baptized into one body , into Jesus Christ. But God chose by men hearing the word and believing to have this done. When they heard the word and were believing they were sealed etc.
Paul also said that he wanted to impart some spiritual gift. But properly we know the gifts are given by the Spirit.
But faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. When God works in men to speak and teach the truth it is God that is working and in the hearts of the hearers also.
At least quote it in the order it was given and do not turn it around.
Matt 28: 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
No, the wording is like this not like the quote you used. By the way I only use KJV and won’t dis is that 45 hour talk here as to why. But they are different.
Matthew 28: 19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The spiritual teaching, is God spiritually working in them is how men are immersed in the name. This is done by God through men teaching as God works in them.
Then an other aspect of teaching is added in the next verse.
Read 1 Cor. 2 again
You try to make “teach all nations” to mean baptize them. The Baptizing is one thing (then there is a conjunction separating two actions) and then teaching to obey all things.
I answered this in the last comment
Where does “teach = baptizing” in scripture, since Paul makes a huge distinction 1 Cor. 1: 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.
Paul was speaking of water baptism there . The immersion into Christ after men hear the word and have faith is all done by God and He uses men to preach and teach His word.
These deeply spiritual realities are hard to be understood by some.
“You believe” does not carry any weight since it contradicts scripture.
Faith cones by hearing and hearing by the word of God how can they preach except they be sent. God works in every preacher to will and to do.
When a person believes the gospel they are immersed by the Spirit into Christ .planted together with him and raised up with him inwardly. He that believes and is baptised shall be saved. The belief part is the faith part where by faith we “enter into” the grace that saves. The grace is as we are immersed into Jesus Christ. .
We are told to baptize people and we cannot do Spiritual baptisms,
Show where believer in the Gentiles church are told to water baptize today. And I already discussed about imparting spiritual gifts etc .
so what is this other baptism we are to be doing?
The Matthew 28 is different baptism in the name.
I already discussed how Jesus said of the Father that he kept them in the name of the Father. That is a mystery that expounds on this.John 17 shows this he taught the word, they believed and were kept in the name.