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My son's doctor appointment and healing

Please pray that my son Jakeb's doctor appointment goes well and he isn't afraid or has a breakdown. Please ask Jesus to heal him and that it can be a simple thing to treat. I pray for total healing and happiness if it is God's will. I'm afraid. God bless you and thank you. I ask in the name of Jesus. Carmen.
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Jesus = Michael?

So, I used to associate with the 7th Day Adventist Church even though I never officially joined them. Even though I no longer agree with their doctrines, I still find their theology fascinating and like to debate them from the Bible.

There is one doctrine I associated with the SDA that I don't recall hearing about during my time among them. It's the idea that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are the same person.

Now, tbf to the Adventists, thet don't actually think that Jesus was an angel or a created being. How it was explained to me is that "Michael" is the name the angels use to refer to Jesus Christ. Also, "archangel" refers to a position or rank, not a type of Angel. In other words, Jesus is not an angel, but he is the commander over the angels.

Idk what to make of this. It's definitely a niche view, but I don't think it's exactly heretical since the Adventists are denying Christ's divinity nor his eternal nature.

While there seems to be some similarities with the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, there are some differences. It's not surprising since the JWs came out of Adventism.

What are your thoughts aboht this?

Nah. Michael is Michael. Jesus is Jesus.
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I am curious why Republicans ignore Trump's wrong doing.

In your opinion, it's absolutely false.

Please read the definitions of socialism and communism and compare them to the scare tactics used by oligarchs and aspiring dictators.
I find it completely humorous that you all on the left differentiate socialists and communists from oligarchs and dictators when socialist and communist regimes are run by oligarchs and dictators. Someone putting Americans first in America and getting rid of partisan political policies that don’t benefit America, at large, especially when they have trampled on the Constitutional rights of most Americans, isn’t a dictator, it is someone trying to right the ship before it sinks.
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The modern human is 300.000 years old

I have a question, and don't want to start my own thread on it?

The "effects" that happens to physical matter/material at speeds close to light speed, or that are at least much more pronounced, or are of much more effect there, do they affect all of the physical material in question?

Like it having to work harder if it's an engine, or something like that?

The time (dilation) effect could actually work to our advantage in a situation like that maybe (trying to travel to other solar systems/planets) but the other would not probably?

So can someone please explain some of this to me maybe?

Take Care.

Actually, there won't be any time dilation, because neither you nor I, nor any other human being, will ever find ourselves traveling at the speed of light.
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She Loved Much

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 NKJV

“34Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.”

This (above) is a difficult passage to understand in light of the other teachings in the New Testament on Spiritual gifts and ministries. So, I am going to share with you a writing the Lord gave me on this subject in August of 2019 which shares the same title as another writing in March of this year.

Women in Ministry

Jesus’ Treatment of Women

As far as I know, from what I read in the New Testament, Jesus always treated women with high honor and respect. He never talked down to a woman or treated any woman as though she was less valuable than a man, with maybe one exception.

As recorded in Matthew 15:21-28, it appears that Jesus’ seemingly harsh words to a Gentile woman were not meant in unkindness, but that they were meant to test her faith, and to lead her to stand up for what she believed, too. And then he honored her for her faith, which he said was “great faith.”

And when other men took advantage of women, for evil purposes, or when they mocked or criticized them, Jesus stood up for the women, and he protected them. And he cared about their needs, and he ministered to them, and he honored their faith. And, if he did rebuke them, he was loving and gentle in his rebuke. He was always tender with them, compassionate and loving. And he used women to share the gospel with men, too.

[John 8:1-11; Luke 7:36-50; Matthew 26:6-13; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 10:38-42; John 2:1-11; John 4:1-42; John 20:11-18.]

In fact, In Luke 7 we read that a Pharisee invited Jesus to eat with him at his house. When a woman who had a reputation heard he was there, she came there and she anointed his feet with ointment, and wet them with her tears, and wiped them with her hair, and caressed them with her kisses.

When the Pharisee disapproved of the woman, Jesus rebuked him. But what he said to the Pharisee was for the encouragement of the woman, as well. For, what Jesus said to the Pharisee is that everything that he should have done for Jesus, but did not do, the woman did do. For, he said, “she loved much.” And, he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

And we read in Luke 8:1-3 that some women even traveled with Jesus and the disciples, too, and that they helped provide for Jesus’ and the disciples’ needs out of their own means.

I am assuming that the women made things which they sold for money, and that out of their earnings that they helped provide for Jesus and his disciples in the work of the ministry. So, they were co-laborers with Jesus and with his twelve male disciples in the ministry.

Your Daughters Shall Prophesy

And, when the Scriptures teach on the gifts of the Spirit, they do not differentiate between men and women, i.e. that some gifts are not for women. In fact, in Acts 2:17-18 we read:

“And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

So, why is it then that we have these teachings in the New Testament that sound as though women are to always remain silent, that they are not to speak in the gatherings of the church, without exception? (1 Corinthians 14:34-35; 1 Timothy 2:11-12). Doesn’t that seem contradictory to how Jesus treated women? And isn’t it contradictory to the passage in Acts 2, and to other New Testament scriptures that speak of women prophesying?

And why is it that so many church congregations, at least here in America, do not allow their women to prophecy (preach) in their gatherings? And some pastors treat women as though they are dirt under their feet for them to walk on? For, Jesus never treated a woman like that. He valued women, and he used women in ministry, and he even sent women out to share the gospel with men. And the Holy Spirit of God gifted women to prophesy. So, why would God then turn around and put the smack down on women?

And, why, then would the Scriptures talk about how we are all one body in Christ, and that we are all necessary, and that one part should not say to another, “We have no need of you!”? And why would it teach that the body grows and builds itself up in love and in the faith as “each part” does its work? And then tell our women that their part, which God gave to them, and for which he gifted them, is not permitted? Is the church then not suppressing the gifts of women?

How can we resolve these seeming contradictions? Is it possible that these passages on the silence of women in the church can have another plausible explanation other than the complete and total suppression of the gift of prophecy among the women in the church? And, if so, what might that be?

For, women obviously prophesied in New Testament times (See: Luke 2:36; Acts 2:17; Acts 21:9; 1 Corinthians 11:5). So, how are we to understand this restriction of the silence of women in the church if God poured out his Spirit on both men and women so that they could prophesy, and we have recorded in the New Testament that there were indeed women who did prophesy? What is the context? What is the purpose of the restriction?

The Context Reveals

Well, the context of 1 Corinthians 14 is that of teaching on spiritual gifts, teaching on love, and instructions regarding the misuse of the gifts and the right way in which the gifts are to be used, and regarding their purpose, too. So, this is in the context of 1 Corinthians 12 and 13, also.

And it is in 1 Corinthians 12 where we are taught that each body part is necessary, and that we are not to say to another part of the body that we have no need of him or of her. And it is God who decides who gets what part, too. And it is the Holy Spirit who assigns the gifts.

And, here in 1 Corinthians 14 we are told first off to pursue love, and to earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that we would prophesy. And the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding, consolation and encouragement. The one who prophesies edifies other believers, for the spiritual growth and advancement of them in the faith. He or she inspires, cheers, urges, nurtures, promotes and fosters spiritual maturity and holy walks in the Spirit of God, too, which is consistent with Ephesians 4:15-16.

So, if both women and men are gifted with the gift of prophecy, and we women are to use the gifts of the Spirit given to us for the upbuilding and the encouragement of the body of Christ, his church; and if not one of us is to say to another “We have no need of you,” and if all the parts are necessary, and women did prophesy in the New Testament, and the body of Christ is built up in the faith as “each part” does its work, then we have to conclude that these instructions on the silencing of women have a meaning other than the absolute silence of women in the church.

Order and Submission

So, again, let’s look at the context. The context has to do with how gifts are used, and it has to do with the order in which they are used. And, then let’s look at the wording of the passage, too. For, it all comes down to submission. It says that a woman, if she has questions regarding something she wants to learn, that she should ask her husband at home. So, apparently women were interrupting the order of service to ask questions. And some of this is definitely cultural to that day and time.

It also appears, by the context, that these women were usurping authority over the men, for it clearly instructs them that they are to be in submission to their husbands, and to the leadership of the church, and it indicates that they were stepping out of that order by speaking in the church gatherings in a disruptive way. So, these women were out of order in what they were doing.

And the passage in 1 Timothy 2 supports this, that women are not to usurp authority over the men, and that they are not to instruct men in an authoritative manner which would require men to obey them.

So, in conclusion, I believe God has gifted both men and women in various ways, and that Scripturally both men and women are gifted with the gift of prophecy (preaching), which is for the edification and encouragement of the body of Christ and for their strengthening and nurturing of them in the faith, that they may all reach maturity in Christ Jesus, their Lord.

I believe Jesus values women highly, that he gifts them in ministry, and that he calls them to prophesy (preach) the truths of Scriptures so that the body of Christ might be drawn closer to their Lord in walks of faith, and so that they may not wander off from the faith to go after what is false. I also believe that our Lord uses women sometimes in areas usually assigned to men, but that he does so when so many men are spiritually AWOL, and they are neglecting their callings (See Luke 7:36-50 as illustrative of this).

Lastly, I believe it all comes down to submission to the authorities within the church. If women are given permission to speak, and it is done in proper order, and if it is done in the right way, for the upbuilding of the body of Christ, then they should be allowed to speak. But they are not to usurp authority over the men nor to cause a disturbance in the congregation, and they are not to instruct men in the sense of being over men in authority. But they are to remain in submission and in proper order, and then they can speak as they are called upon to speak, as God gifts them to speak.

[Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:15-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20]

Have Thine Own Way, Lord

Words by Adelaide A. Pollard, 1907
Music by George C. Stebbins, 1907


Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Thou art the potter, I am the clay.
Mold me and make me after Thy will,
While I am waiting, yielded and still.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Search me and try me, Master, today!
Whiter than snow, Lord, wash me just now,
As in Thy presence humbly I bow.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Wounded and weary, help me I pray!
Power, all power, surely is Thine!
Touch me and heal me, Savior divine!

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Hold o'er my being absolute sway.
Fill with Thy Spirit till all shall see
Christ only, always, living in me!

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Women in Ministry
An Original Work / August 4, 2019
Reposted on November 7, 2025 (with slight editing)
Reposted edited version on June 15, 2026, w/additional introduction
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
I was taught years ago that one interprets a difficult passage on a certain subject, in the light of a clear passage on the same subject.
Paul states clearly in Gal 3:28, that 'in Christ' there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free man and neither male nor female. In other words, the social distinctions of the day are not relevant in the Church, we are all one. This is the template in which we must use in trying to understand these other two passages.
Women are equal in all respects to men. Their ability to minister in the Church is based on their gifting, not their gender.

The situations in Corinth and Ephesus were local problems that Paul was dealing with. In Corinth, it was women asking questions of their husbands during the Church service. In Ephesus, it was women 'domineering' men. To make these two passages a universal restriction on women is to ignore the context of each passage and is an abuse of both Scripture and women.
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Do you have any Interesting stories to tell ?

On Wednesday, the day of the cup final, the Cats looked ready—all except Gary. He walked into the arena pale, glassy-eyed, and heavy-footed, his stomach waging a brutal rebellion. He blamed a bad night's sleep when Coach Santini asked why he looked off.

From the first possession, Gary was a shadow of himself. His explosiveness was gone, his footwork was sluggish, and he missed layups blindfolded, clutching his stomach after rebounds. The Foxes pounced relentlessly. By halftime, the Cats were down by twelve.

The second half was worse. Gary’s legs betrayed him, his vision blurred, and his passes sailed out of bounds. As cameras zoomed in on his pale face, unmistakably suffering from Monday night’s feast, the Foxes widened the lead. With two minutes left, the Cats were down by eighteen.

When the final buzzer sounded, Gary sat frozen on the bench. Coach Santini patted his shoulder. “Don't worry, Gary. We'll try again next year.” Gary could only nod.

The Foxes celebrated on the court as the Cats walked off in silence. Gary Meldrum, the league’s golden boy, had been defeated. He finally understood the truth: he hadn’t lost to the Foxes. He’d been defeated by himself. (The end)
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St Basil the Great on the Value of Tradition

“Of the beliefs and practices, whether generally accepted or publicly enjoined, which are preserved in the Church, some we possess derived from written teaching; others we have received delivered to us in a mystery by the tradition of the Apostles; and both of these in relation to true religion have the same force.

Devotion for June – The Month of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus

The Sacred Heart of Jesus – Short Meditations for June. June 15 — The Excellence of the Sacred Heart

Day 15: Most Catholics Don't Know What Reparation Is

Many Catholics understand repentance.

Far fewer understand reparation.

Traditional Catholic theology teaches that sorrow for sin should be accompanied by a desire to make amends. Reparation is the response of love to Love rejected. It is rooted in justice, charity, atonement, and union with the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

Devotion to the Sacred Heart places special emphasis on reparation because sin, indifference, ingratitude, and sacrilege are offenses against Divine Love. In response, Catholics offer prayers, sacrifices, acts of charity, and Eucharistic adoration in union with Our Lord.

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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

God is omnipresent by omniscience (Psa. 139). The Father's Person / Being is in an actual locale, in the 3rd Heaven (aka "paradise", "Eden, the garden of God"):

Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.​
Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.​

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.​
God is not in the sinner (see Rev. 3:20). God's omnipresence is not after the manner of pantheism, or panentheism. Both heresies and extremely dangerous. Thus God is not in the tree, the flower, &c., and the tree, flower are not God.
Well, the fringe cult things do tend to come out of the wordwork when the 3 Om's come to play.

In orthodox trinity understandings, separating any of the 3 members of the trinity is a heresy foul. God being in the form of The Son did not stop The Father from being The Father. The "locale" of The Son did not change God or HIs Om's.

Some cults think God lives on the planet Kolub, also jokingly known as bullock if pronounced backwards.

The scripture raised by the other, is important:

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.​
Notions of sinlessness via legal compliance are also common in cults. I'm pretty sure that the SDA flirts with this one, heavily.
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Daily report

In many rural areas of Pakistan, some children are unable to attend school due to lack of basic supplies like books and bags.
Even a small support can make a big difference in their education journey.
I will share more updates as we continue this work.
"Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." — Galatians 6:9 (NIV)

Prophecy and Tongues

Just want to say that there are many who think that Acts 2 was not just tongues in known languages. Is it that important to be dogmatic when it seems possible? In the Acts 2 context there were thousands there. Foreign languages do not normallly appear as drunks, and adding to the uncertainty there are other scriptures on both tongues and the gift "various kinds of tongues."
What may have be possible and what actually happened and was recorded in Acts 2, are two very different things.
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Jasmine Crockett suggests she also would have stabbed Austin Metcalf in stunning defense of Karmelo Anthony

That's because blacks and whites over react at times.
yes so I think to keep going over the same old ground will not get anywhere. Right now all the talk about race and who is right and wrong is not going to solve anything.

People have a right to make their views heard. But then thats it. Doubling down or continuing to push a claim or narrative is not going to help or change the verdict right now. It will happen in the courts system.
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Trump picks housing director Bill Pulte as acting intelligence chief, replacing Tulsi Gabbard; he has no intelligence experience

I don't see Jay Clayton being much better honestly. He doesn't seem to have any national security experience except what he might have picked up in a year at SDNY.
Less objectionable, is the new “well-qualified”, don’tcha know?
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Informative 15 min video about speaking in tongues

Scientific analysis indicates random vowel-consonant combinations. Attempts at linguistic analysis have thus far not yielded any results.
Yes, I have come across the term, 'free vocalization' to describe modern tongues.
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If Worship on Sunday is wrong, then why do SDA parishes rent their churches to Traditional Christians?

s it your claim that some Adventists do not know that you worship every Sabbath keeping the day holy from Friday evening to Saturday evening??

I can only assume that some members have missed where I have repeatedly shown that we worship throughout that time period and keep the period holy. And Sabbath is defined according to the delimiters that Judaism used and that in my experiences Adventists use (some Adventists observe Vespers on what on the 24 hour clock is called Friday evening and this is very proper in my opinion).

Indeed whenever possible we tend to observe an even longer period of sanctity, for example, on Holy Week, we begin on Thursday evening with the 12 Gospels Service (which is equivalent to the Western Tenebrae service and is the time that 12 lessons the four Gospels describing the passion of our Lord are read).
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Adventist view on the Sabbath as the final test of loyalty

Nope. I cited the sources.

The Roman Catholic Church has never declared the Pope to be sinless. Now we Orthodox disagree with them both on Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility (and Papal Infallibility was specifically adopted at Vatican I in the 19th century, and caused an immediate schism with the Archdiocese of Utrecht and some other Catholics who became known as the Old Catholics). But if they were to declare the Pope to be sinless on an ex officio basis we would not even both with ecumenical dialogue with them; the restoration in relations since Vatican II would not have occurred and we would have resorted to legal means to reclaim those relics which the Roman Church has returned voluntarily, such as those of the Three Holy Hierarchs (the Orthodox term for St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Theologian and St. John Chrysostom, three bishops whose defense of the Nicene Faith was extremely important in the fourth and early fifth century, indeed St. Gregory the Theologian opened the Council of Constantinople, and wrote a panygeric for St. Basil, who was his best friend, and St. Athanasius, who reposed shortly after St. Basil, the hero of Nicaea, who ensured that Arius was anathematized and the new Creed adopted and who then endured decades of vicious persecution by the anti-Trinitarian successors of St. Constantine until Julian the Apostate released him from exile hoping his return to Alexandria would divide the Christians (in fact, it united them, since the Arian bishops intruding on the see of St. Athanasius were greatly resented by the locals on the basis of their conduct). St. Athanasius also defined the 27 book New Testament canon we all rely on.
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WHERE DO BELIEVERS GO WHEN TGHEY DIE ??

Dives and Lazarus were in 'Hades' not Hell. Hades has a paradise section and a torment section with a great gulf in between.
When Christ rose from the dead and ascended, He took the souls in the paradise section to Heaven with Him. And that is where the saints go at death awaiting the Resurrection.
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Please help to ignite the Great Re-Awakening in Europe

This is St. Victor, a majestic gem and speaks to the inspiration of the generations who built it and felt the presence of the divine there. And continue to, every day in and around that structure. The architectural traditions in Mediterranean France do of course differ from what you'll find in Greece, even from the same era but you can see and feel the similar inspiration.

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