throughfierytrial said:

It really is a deeper process when attempting to arrive at precision. The original manuscripts are what is translated. There are older manuscripts than the textus receptus which had been translated to produce the KJV.

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Clarification: the textus receptus is behind the KJV and there are now olde manuscripts which are considered cleaner manuscripts… none of the additions made by translators for “correction”. These manuscripts are the codex Alexandrius.

Day 8 - 2/9/26

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

Ever Immaculate Virgin, Mother of Mercy, we call upon you as Health of the Sick, Refuge of Sinners, and Comfort to the Afflicted.

You know my wants, my troubles, my sufferings. Deign to cast upon me a look of mercy. By appearing in the Grotto of Lourdes, you were pleased to make it a sanctuary whence you dispense your favors, and already many sufferers have obtained the cure of their infirmities, both spiritual and physical.

I come, therefore, with the most unbounded confidence to implore your maternal intercession. Obtain, O loving Mother, the granting of my requests

(mention request here…)

Through gratitude for favors, I will endeavor to imitate your virtues that I may one day share your glory.

O Mary our Queen, from heaven itself you came to appear to Bernadette in the Grotto of Lourdes! And as Bernadette knelt at your feet and the miraculous spring burst forth, O Mother of God, we kneel before you today to ask that in your mercy you plead with your Divine Son to grant the special favor we seek in this novena.

O star of purity, Mary Immaculate, Our Lady of Lourdes, glorious in your assumption, triumphant in your coronation, show unto us the mercy of thy Son. Virgin Mary, Queen and Mother, be our comfort, hope, strength, and consolation. Amen.

Our Lady of Lourdes, pray for us.

Saint Bernadette, pray for us.

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Amen.

That whole argument is a thinly veiled strawman. I don't see anybody suggesting they have their own reality.

keras said:

what happens when Jesus Returns, has nothing to do with the cause and effects of the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath.

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He (Jesus) treds the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God. Revelation 19:15

To execute the vengeance written, this honor have all the saints. Psalm 149:9

Malachi 4:3-4
The wicked shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord.

A fire devours before them....
And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:4 Joel 2:11

The rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth. Revelation 19:21

The army in Ezekiel 37:9-10 is the same army of Joel 2:11 and Revelation 19:14-21. The great army of the Lord, an army of resurrected and made immortal saints, from the four winds.
There is no rapture, there is resurrection into that army. It happens in the twinkling of an eye.

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints, to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

We saints are caught up into the air, the clouds, not heaven, the literal sky, the air, just as Paul said. And from the air we will view the vengeance unfold and have part in its execution, being part of the Lord's army.







The sun is not outside of the sky, how did they get a signal with pictures back from the Parker solar probe? From 90 million miles away getting a signal back should be impossible. They were able to send a probe and get images back because the sun is right where we see it, not extremely far away, and not outside of the sky.

The sun rejoices as a strong man to run a race, it's circular path encompasses all the expanse of the sky, and nothing under the sky is hid from the heat of it. Psalm 19

And no man has ascended up beyond the sky, except He that first came down from beyond the sky, even the Son of man which lives beyond the sky. John 3:13

The office of the beast has installed the lie of a globe and sun outside of the sky. Just as the Bible says, he speaks lies about what is outside of the sky, and things related to the stars.
Daniel 8:10-12, Revelation 13:6

The idea of a CME is based on science given by the beast. What the Messiah will do on His day has no 'scientific' explanation. It will be a day of great miracles. All righteous Israel will be gloriously resurrected, all sincere believers will be gloriously changed and all together caught up into the Lords great army for that day.

And the Lord will utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11 Literal divine fire will come out of His mouth. Revelation 19:21

Valletta said:

Fifty agitators were arrested.

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Looks like they are going to make some money. That will help them to keep their job secure if they are able to bring in money like that.

RandyPNW said:

I don't know why you should think that God's Justice does not require the "punishment" of ungodly people?

As for how the Bible defines the "Kingdom of God," it is not just a general sense of God's Justice. It has a much more technical definition as applied to the hope of Israel, along with the hope for the world.

Abraham was promised a family of faith consisting of the Israeli nation, along with many other nations dedicated to God. I suppose them all to be Christian nations, ultimately, even though Israel has not yet achieved that.

Once these goals are met in the Millennial Age I think the Kingdom of God will assume a completely different form, when the mortal passes completely into immortality.

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God’s justice does require dealing with the ungodly, but Scripture shows that His justice is bigger than simple punishment. It’s the way God removes evil, protects the righteous, and brings creation back into alignment with His covenant purposes. The Kingdom of God isn’t just a general idea of fairness—it’s a technical, covenant term tied directly to the hope of Israel and the blessing of the nations promised to Abraham.

Abraham was promised a physical nation (Israel) and many nations brought into the blessing. That promise hasn’t been fully realized yet, but the prophets describe a future age where Israel is restored and the nations walk in God’s ways. That’s the Millennial Age, where the Messiah rules, justice is immediate, and the covenant promises reach their earthly fulfillment.

Once those purposes are complete, the Kingdom shifts into its final form. Mortality gives way to immortality, the old creation passes, and the New Heavens and New Earth begin. At that point the Kingdom of God is no longer tied to mortal nations—it becomes fully eternal.

loveofourlord said:

given that a big chunk of his administration is on there and other things we can only hope, also throw the book at bill clinton or anyone else on the left in those.

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Nobody wants THEIR ox gored.

I don't like the "socratic method" because it basically just assumes that there is a correct answer and everyone already knows that correct answer, you just have to guide them towards it with leading questions. In reality, people will not just change their viewpoints when you point out logical inconsistencies, they are more likely to double down because of cognitive dissonance. Chalking this up to dishonest debating is in itself dishonest because everyone is prone to such faulty thinking.

It's also very lopsided in it's approach, since if one uses the socratic method, they just interact with the other person's viewpoints without putting their own thoughts "out there" to criticise and correct.

This might be an okay approach for a teacher-student setting or something both sides are completely dispassionate about, but it neither makes for fair, fruitful nor engaging debates.

Larniavc said:

Bless your heart. Aussie and UK swearing nomenclature is very similar; I would have a punt-o it was not dunno.

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There'd be nothing added. A reference to Trump is generally a very brief, monosyllabic epithet.

bèlla said:

Do you know how to read either language without relying on another person's translation? And if getting to the source was a priority why haven't you learned?



What religion wants has no bearing on my walk with God nor is proving them wrong a necessity. The fruit will tell in time. There should be little disconnection between what we know, do and produce. Each ascension brings a greater level of anointing and authority and flows outward. How is the kingdom enriched by your efforts? It seems very self-focused.

~bella

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Even with just the English translations, the Devil fights, wages war for his worldly kingdoms. Jesus said those of the light do not. Jesus keeps giving clues on who the Devil is.

I've shut myself to the poison of the Devil. I'm not going back to something I've known most of my life. The heaviness is just more unbearable than even poverty or even being single for a very long time.

I've lived a comfortable life before and even able to travel for work but I'm not missing it at all. I now remotely work for Christians who are quite well off even have their own farm. Working for them gives me joy but I don't dream nor covet the things they have. I'm happy for them. It gives me joy to see them happy. Wish I could tell them what I know now but glad there's quiet voice out there if they're willing to listen to it.

They're marrying left and right but I feel absolutely no pressure at all. Maybe my circumstances prevent me from pursuing relationships but I might actually feel just the same if my circumstances are different.

Ofc, back then being comfortable meant quite differently. I did not lower my standards like I'd settle for something less of the same things. My desires changed. My mind changed. I don't want the same things any longer.

I think the coming generation is heading this direction too. I don't really know, just a hunch. Ofc, many are not Christians (non-religious) to begin with.

Welcome aboard 'Poetrob'! What a rich background you bring!

We are born again by believing into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. We were raised together with Him. He is the head, we are his body.

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


Ephesians 2:5-6
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

John 3:15-18
15 that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 The one believing into Him is not condemned; but the one not believing has already been condemned, for he has not believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Postvieww said:

The court may say that , it has been a liberal talking point but just the fact of the multiple fake voter registrations in Fulton Co. proves it is not so. The failure to match signatures on thousands of ballots as required by GA state law is just more evidence that a free and fair election did not happen.

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You're confusing voter registration with actually voting, Two different things. And moreover with a variety of judges slapping Trump et al claims of voter fraud around in court it's not just a liberal talking point. It's reason why the Trump lawyers making such claims in court had been sanctioned and now disbarred. It's one thing to make claims in front of a landscape company across from a porn shop, but courts expect more than just right wing lunacy come claims.

Is Trump having more difficulty ruling governing, as he ages?
Yes, definitively, it’s a tough job for someone half his age.
He’s “slipping”, he’s a human being, after all.
Will he exit the Office for the good of the country, (should it come to that, which it hasn’t), or will he cling onto this sweet, sweet power?

Decisions, decisions.

Hi bella!! @bèlla

No he is not living under the same roof as me currently.

I still feel love for him and if he truly loved me then I would be very happy.

But I don't trust him anymore. I also have worried at times when I had been together with him that he might cheat on me.

I don't feel truly loved by him. He says hurtful things to me and is very critical towards me.

I don't know why he wants to be with me if he feels there is so much wrong with me.

As followers of Jesus Christ we must guard our hearts and minds against relying upon Scriptures, taught out of context, to teach us the truth of the gospel. So many people today are creating a gospel of salvation that is not of God, and that is not consistent with the teachings of the Scriptures, because they are teaching the Scriptures outside of their correct biblical context. And some (or many) of them are “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who are doing this purposefully in order to lead the people to believe the lies.

Here are some of the Scriptures that are typically taught out of context:

I Give Them Eternal Life


Taught out of context, this is typically used to assure all who profess the name of Jesus that their salvation (genuine or not) is secured for them for eternity, and that not even their deliberate and habitual sinful lifestyles and practices, and their refusal to surrender to God to obey God’s commands, in practice, will keep them out of heaven for eternity. But why do they leave out verse 27 which tells us who “they” are? Mostly this is done by liars and deceivers in order to give a false message of grace. For Jesus said,


So, it is not all who say they believe in Jesus who have this promise, but all who are truly his followers (his sheep) who are listening to the Lord, who are heeding (obeying) his commands, and who are following him in living self-controlled, upright, and godly lives, for his glory. Yes, it is possible that we might still sin (1 John 2:1-2), but if sin is our practice, and not obedience to God, we will not inherit eternal life with God (Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 9:23-26; Romans 6:1-23; Galatians 5:16-18; Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 3:4-10).

In Christ Jesus


Taught out of context, often this is used to assure all who profess the name of Jesus that they truly are “in Christ,” and therefore they are not under the condemnation of God, so no matter how much they sin, those sins will not be charged against them, and heaven will still be secured for them no matter how they live. And it is very popular today to tell people who are, indeed, deliberately and habitually sinning against God, that they should just “claim who you are in Christ,” as though that covers all their deliberate sins.


So, those who are “in Christ” are all who, by the grace of God, no longer live (in practice) according to the flesh (in sin) but according to (in agreement with) the Holy Spirit, in surrender to our Lord in walks of obedience to his commands in holy living, in the power of God. For “our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin” (Romans 6:6). For we are slaves of the one we obey, either of sin, leading to death, or of obedience, leading to righteousness and to eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Acts 26:18]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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An Original Work / February 9, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Thanks for the contributions to the discussion.

Brunner downplayed propositional doctrinal knowledge and placed his emphasis on the need for a Divine-Human encounter as more important than assent to propositions. Protestant system building he suggested could at times be like a frozen waterfall, great shapes of movement but with no movement.

I have to say when I read of conversion accounts like Joy Gresham's where she described it as "God came in" Brunner may have a point, but he probably goes too far. However nowadays the problem may at times be more doctrinal indifference, than when Brunner wrote. Or on the other hand a sort of doctrinal eclectism.

That Brunner's Christology may lean towards Docetism I have heard suggested (sorry cannot recall where I read that).

Anyone any thoughts on any of that?

Theresa

I think Americans should have a right to take some of their social security payout and put it into an investment portfolio. It could even be capped at a certain risk level, so that they could just toss it into some real risky investments.

Mark Quayle said:

You sound very much like me, here, right up until you say they (the OT saints) believed but could not be born again, nor be in Christ. By grace you are saved, through faith, and that, not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Again: You are saying that they were still 'in the flesh' as described by Romans 8, Ephesians 2 and several other places, "dead in [their] sin and trespasses", and not 'in the Spirit', not "made...alive" no? So how can they believe salvifically while still at enmity with God, and unable to please God? Are you saying that Abraham's faith did not please God? Romans 8: "7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

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It’s impossible for the Old Testament saints to be born again and could not be in Christ.

Christ had to die before anyone could be saved - salvation is through Jesus death on the cross and His resurrection unto life - born again in Christ Jesus.

However, the law of Moses protected the Old Testament saints from condemnation, but they could not be raised from the dead until the death of Christ as they were still in the flesh, and could not have received salvation unto life by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, because the Spirit of life in Christ was only given after He died for the sins of man, not before. So, those Old Testament saints who died under the law had to wait for Christ death and resurrection to be released from Abraham’s bosom - which happened when the graves opened at Christ’s crucifix, after He rose from the dead.

You said, “So how can they believe salvifically while still at enmity with God?”

They were not at enmity with God - animal sacrifice and the shedding of blood placed them in a position of righteousness before God, and all the laws, holy days, sabbath days, cleanliness laws were kept, which were temporary until the faith required for salvation came - faith in Christ Jesus’s death and resurrection for our salvation.

Galatians 3:23 KJV
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 3:22 KJV
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

In regards to the initial faith that brings a person to believe on Christ: The Bible let’s us know we must hear the word before we believe,
Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Chaos is often the bogieman of the faithless and unimaginative that needs the heavy boot of the law for what anthropologists have dubbed "terror management". But what happens when increasingly it seems the terror management itself is terror? "Are we the badguys, Hans?"

Now, the Lord led me to do a video talk on this subject, and unless I am reading in the video what I wrote here, which I have not yet written anything, I am usually just sharing in the videos what God gives me to say at the moment that I am recording. So rarely will these writings and the videos be exact copies of one another. So, while the video is being uploaded I will write here whatever else the Lord puts on my heart to say on this subject, some of which may or may not be the same as on the video.

Basically, the picture the Lord is giving me from this passage of Scripture is not so much centered on talk that is corrupt, distasteful, and unethical, but on talk which is just wasteful. Obviously I am on the internet, and I am in the world of blogging, and on social media, and on Christian discussion sites, and so I get to see a lot of what other people are writing and posting on the internet, including what others who profess faith in Jesus Christ are posting on the internet for others to read. And so much of it is just pure junk!

Now, I feel as though I have a fairly good (healthy) sense of humor. As the mother of 4 (+4) and the grandmother of 14 (+2), and the great-grandmother of 2, I have to have a good sense of humor. Right? Children are always going to do things to make us laugh. And laughing can be very healthful, if what we are laughing at is not what is crude, distasteful, unkind, immoral, and/or mocking of others who are just different from us. But humor is not to be what we live by and all that we talk about and share on the internet.

For God did not put us on this earth to be entertainers who everybody loves. God put us who believe in Jesus Christ on this earth to die with him to sin, and to live with him in righteousness and holiness, and to walk (in conduct) in obedience to his commands. And he put us on this earth to be his witnesses in sharing with the people of the world the truth of the gospel of Christ, which is that Jesus died on that cross to put our sins to death with him so by faith in him we will die to sin and live for God and obey our Lord.

So, as those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, we need to be doing what God has called us to do as his followers. And we need to not be wasting time and speech and writing on what is pure garbage, or on what has no eternal value, or on what is just empty and does nothing to help anyone. And I am certainly not saying that we can’t talk about what is going on in our lives, or that we can’t share pictures or human interest stories, and the like. But we need to be sharing Jesus with the world and not just what is of this flesh.

We need to be writing about and talking about what is beneficial to us spiritually, morally, ethically, and of great importance, like sharing about what is going on in the world and how it relates to what the Scriptures teach about the last days. For we live in very troubled times, and it is looking more and more like that rule of the beast is already on our doorsteps and is about to consume the nations and peoples of the world. So time is not on our side. So we need to be about the work of the Lord and not waste away our time.

For God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we wait for Jesus’ return. For Christ “gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.” “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” (See Titus 2:11-14; Ephesians 2:8-10)

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Acts 26:18]

Being Made Right

An Original Work / September 8, 2019
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Jesus, lover of my soul,
Cleansed and saved me,
Made me whole;
Purified me, now new within.
By His grace, I’m free from sin.

Holy Spirit lives within,
Teaching me to walk with Him,
Guiding me each step of the way.
Living for my Lord each day.

Father God, He is my Lord.
Walk with Him in one accord.
Follow Him wherever He leads,
Living holy, Him to please.

Witnessing for Him each day,
Loving others in His way,
Telling them about Jesus Christ,
And how they can be made right.

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An Original Work / February 8, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Yes I agree I have a speciall attachment to those smaller village churches in whatever the country, seem to have a unique character that brings you closer to worship and to the history of the many generations that have called the church their spiritual home. I'm obviously partial to the centuries old seaside beaches in Greece, looking out over the sea as if beckoning people from the world over to share in Christ's love.

But I have to agree there is something quite special too about those little homely churches in France. We've visited there a few times over the past couple of years and there's a real down to earth, pastoral quality of the regions where those little churches have sat there for centuries, or being built newly there.

A kind of unique charm and it is good to hear there is new interest in maintaining and building them along the countryside.