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Why believing in a literal Adam and Eve matters

No, the sacrifices actually effected the covering of Israel's sin from the wrath of God (Ro 4:7), as a type of
Christ, who removed (true) Israel's sin and the wrath of God

Baptims is not a means by which we enter into a vital relationship with Christ, by which we are united with Christ.
In NT times baptism so closely followed conversion that the two were considered part of one event (Ac 2:38).
But while baptism is closely associated with faith, it is not a means by which we enter into a vital relationship with Christ.
It depicts graphically what happens as a result of the believer's union with Christ, which comes with faith; i.e., through faith we are united with Christ, just as through our actual birth we are united with Adam. As we became subject to death in father Adam, so now we have died and been raised again with Christ--which baptism symbolizes, it does not effect.

No, the Lord's Supper was the Passover meal in which they partook of the benefits of the sacrifice,
just as they did in other sacrificial meals (Lev 3:15, 7:15-18, 19:5-8) .

You've turned the world upside down. . .reality is based on symbol.
Reality is not based on symbol, reality is based on fact.
It is symbol that is based on the fact of reality, in both the physical order and the spiritual order.


Agreed. . .Adam is also functioning as an archetype, in addition to being the first actual man.

Why the need to deny the reality of what Scriture presents as reality?

I say the terms of the text present the text as reality, which for some reason you need to deny.
Jesus regarded his baptism as the fulfilling of all righteousness ... the spiritual depths of baptism are only found in a deep relationship, outside of that your merely getting wet ... God calls every son to a cross ...
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Salvation by grace through faith and our responsibility?

Spiritual death is first described with Adam and Eve after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were not responding obediently to God, but God began to repair it. Life towards God needs God to be present and available. Or we only have our consciences to guide us.
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How do we discern the voice of the Holy Spirit?

I think there is the person as an independent being with their own gifts and abilities that may be influenced by upbringing and various reasons and each person is an individual in that sense.

Sometimes just as a matter of life experience and problems that may also be influenced by upbringing it can be hard to determine what you are called to do. So we need to grow up to become clear about who we are and what we are good at.

I say what we are good at because I think God gives us gifts which w each have a talent in. I think so long as your dedicating that gift and work to God and for a purpose that is gong to help your family and community thats good.

But I think using money or material gain as the motivation though important as far as getting by should not be the priority. But in reality for some if not a growing number the money is just enough and becomes a priority when your living pay to pay. Especially if you have a family to look after.

Its hard in todays society which is all about money and material wealth. Its hard when there little work or your not skilled. Its very competitive,
But in reality Christ calls us to live poor to an extent and to help others.

I think within all this the holy spirit will reveal our calling and this may not be so clear at first and may change. I think as time goes on the aim is getting closer to more or less doing whatever you choose tyo do for God and helping others rather than yourself. But getting there is a journey in itself.

I have found as I got older I have looked for work that helps others. Even if thats sometimes doing stuff that sems unrelated to Gods work. Doing a job well and showing Christ in everything. But I have homed in on helping others directly and gearing my career towards that.

If thats legal or accounting that helps in a real way others then thats your gift. That may be for that time and this may change. If its not the right choice God will let you know through your conscience and conscious awareness. And sometimes we will make the wrong choice to find the right one.

I think of the holy spirit as that persistent voice or growing awareness such as conscience awareness of something related to your relationship with God and where you are at.

But we are also rational beings and part of becoming aware of what is the right way is reasoning out things in light of Gods word.

Generally I think its our conscience and conscious awareness of something that will persist or cause you to become aware of something that you must do or perhaps change. Sometimes I think its a gut feeling or intuition that may not have clear evidence but it persists and then seems like the right thing to do when all signs are pointing that way. God will reveal to us in time with pray if we put trust in Him.

I also think quietness is important. To stop and listen to God. Ask questions and then wait for God to bring to your conscience His word. Which is a good therapy anyway. To relax and walk and think and listen to your inner self.
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Trump-enomics

Did you read what I wrote and the link I provided? How much damage does a 3,000 pound car do, compared to a 4,000 pound car, compared to a 5,000 pound pick-up, compared to an 80,000 pound semi?

I already answered you. It's a well-established fact that heavier vehicles cause more damage than lighter vehicles.

I'm sorry, the vast majority of road damage -- per your own link -- is from diesel powered semi-trucks and trailers.

That is completely irrelevant. The salient point is that heavier vehicles cause greater road wear. That is not debatable.

Also, the fact remains the fastest selling ICE vehicles tend to be just as heavy, if not heavier, than the standard EV sold

The fact remains that if you buy an equivalent EV, it will ALWAYS be heavier. For example, the Ford F-150 Lighting is about 35% heavier than its Ford F-150 ICE counterpart, as just one example.

-- again, 5,000 pound SUVs and trucks (the most popular ICE vehicles) tend to weigh more than 4,000 pound EVs (since mid-sized EVs are the vast majority of EVs sold).

Why are you comparing SUVs to sedans? If you compare mid-sized EVs to their mid-sized ICE counterpart, they will weigh more, every time.

Also, heavier ICE vehicles use more fuel. Ergo, they already pay far more in road use taxes. The fact that heavier ICE vehicles are less fuel-efficient means that they will pay more in road use taxes because they use more gallons of fuel.

And why is there no concern about the road damage done by the best selling vehicle in the US, the F-150 (which is up to 6,000 lbs as an ICE vehicle, heavier than EV cars), but only about EVs?

As I already pointed out, the Ford F-150 Lightning is ~35% heavier than its ICE equivalent. People with F-150's are spending FAR more in gas, and therefore are contributing FAR more in road use taxes.

I can't take you seriously when you're trying to compare full-size pickup trucks to passenger cars.
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Democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani defeats Andrew Cuomo, wins NYC mayoral primary

Their city, their choice, their business. Texas has a stock exchange now in Dallas that some call Y'all Street. I think the NYSE closed its Chicago branch and moved there. How long before the NYSE proper does the same?
Well said.
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Pete Buttigieg, Fr. James Martin discuss 'beautiful' gay parenting, liken to Trinity

And that is the current sickness in the Church. We have come to love the world more than we love the Lord. And a fish rots from the head. We do need a generous application of St. Damien's medicine. I don't know if maybe pope Leo can deliver some of it.
St. Peter Damian?
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Did the sacrifice on the day of Atonement cover all Israel's or only those who believed that it would?

You do realize that your philosophy is the grid you use to get your theology. If you read scripture the Greek philosophy way you have God separate from his creation and we are trying to get back to God, this is Western thinking, man is separated from God and we must find our way back.
Im not sure what bible you read but there is nothing in scripture about God separating from man. In fact, is quite the opposite. He sent His Son so that all that believe will have eternal life. God walked among us. That is being closer.
Hebrew philosophy is God is one, all things are in God there is nothing outside of God. That’s why in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man , both sides of shield were in the same place, both inside God, while Greek philosophy says matter is evil and must be separated and outside God.
God is one God in three persons. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Are you now going to argue that this isn’t so?
Again aionios is not eternal, the Greeks had a word that was eternal its” aidios” if Paul wanted his audience to think something was eternal that is the Greek word he would have used. The people of that day understood and lived with the idea of Gods ages and so the things that are seen in this age is temporary but the unseen things of this age are the things we are to be putting our hope in.
Aionios means eternal. The dictionary tells us so. We have gone over this already ad nauseam.
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Hello comrades. I am Russian and I live in Russia. If you want to meet me and become my friend, let's do it.

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Still thinkin' you are a bot. . .

You'll have to find a way to witness to my mind that you are a living being.
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Economy is worse off than we thought.

This just showed up on my news feed. It involves only about 320 people, 25 doctors, 100 licensed medical professionals, and nearly $15 billion in medicare fraud. Many of these fraud cases are from minimal medical procedures. Medical practices might repeatedly bill these procedures in fraud schemes. This is another example of the easily exploited market failure of public healthcare.

As part of the sweeping crackdown, officials identified perpetrators based in Russia, Eastern Europe, Pakistan, and other countries.The alleged $14.6 billion in fraud is more than twice the previous record in the Justice Department’s annual health care fraud crackdown. It includes nearly 190 federal cases and more than 90 state cases that have been charged or unsealed since June 9. Nearly 100 licensed medical professionals were charged, including 25 doctors, and the government reported $2.9 billion in actual losses.

Richer, A. D. (2025, June, 30). More than 300 charged in $14.6 billion health care fraud schemes takedown, Justice Department says. Associated Press.
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What's on your mind?

We went to Costco today and the refrigeration went out and there was no air conditioning either! They had to seal off frozen foods, dairy, quick meals and pull the meat and prepared items too. Thankfully it came back on but the crowd increased and people were standing in front of coolers because it was hot. But the employees were good spirited and no one complained including the customers. It was nice to see a show of support from everyone involved.
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Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

Seems Paul disagrees with you (Ro 8:16).

Having received his doctrine in heaven from Jesus (2 Co 12:1-8, Gal 11-12), I'm sure you'll understand if I go with Paul.
Paul, himself, states in Phil 2 that salvation is worked out, and acknowledges in Phil 3 that he, himself, was striving to attain to the resurrection from the dead, not having acheived it yet. In humility, this is all a great hope for Christians- not a done deal.
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Senator Thom Tillis: The Big Beautiful Bill breaks Trump's Promise

The government doesn’t want to fund these programs anymore. If they could wipe them out tomorrow they would. When you start cutting healthcare, housing and food stamps you’re done. It may take awhile to whittle down but it isn’t a priority. Social security and medicare are going bankrupt in a few years. Change is on the horizon. They haven‘t announced it yet but they will.

~bella
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