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Carl Emerson · Jul 29, 2025

Let's look at the issue of God's Love - in the Greek - Agape.

For some reason I once believed that only the saved who were indwelled by the Holy Spirit and motivated by the very Love of Jesus could express Agape.

I was aware that the works not motivated by the Love of Jesus come to nothing. 1 Cor 13:3

Then as I pondered on Jesus teaching about loving ones enemies, He mentioned that even sinners love those who love them. Luke 6:32

I admit I was somewhat surprised to read that in that verse - the Greek is indeed Agape.

So I had to conclude that there was a function of God's Love in 'common grace' that promoted social cohesion among the unsaved.

Yet we are called to a love far beyond that - given that Jesus said 'greater love has no man than he lay down his life for his friends.' and went on to demonstrate this supremely on the cross.

Now a strong moral ethic in todays culture is called reciprocity - meaning returning a favour - this is what the unsaved do.

But Jesus is calling us to love far beyond that.

You will note that the sin of Sodom was indifference to the poor.

The poor had nothing to give.

Reaching out to the poor then is primary to responding to God's Love.

Yet the priority is first to the household of the saints. Gal 6:10

In that we often fail miserably - the goal among the saints is for equality 2 Cor 8:14

Maybe if we attended to this, the love among the saints would be more visible to the world. John 17:23

Then we would have multitudes drawn to faith.

Family is all about looking after and being looked after.

This is the Agape of God.

The unsaved know this...

That is what they are looking for.

Dan Perez · Jul 29, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And will have to come to say , why. Jesus was Water Baptized as I am closing where I work .

AND you are correct that the Greek word BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , is in the Aorist Tense. , Active Voice ,

in. the Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

AND if I have it right , Rom 6:4 , The Greek here is Not Baptized into the Death , is the Greek word BAPTISMA

into the Death , is in the Genitive Case. in the Signular. and in the Neuter .

See you Thursday as we are closed Wednesday.

dan p

And in. Heb. 5:6 Christ will be a High Priest after the order off Melchizedek. in. the Mil Kingdom. .

And in Heb 7:3 Melelchizek , with out father , with noun mother , with out genealogy. , having neither beginning of days nor end of

life , , but made like the Son pot God , remain s a priest continually. , is why Jesus had to be BAPTIZED , HAVE TO HAVE DINNER !!

PatrickTate · Jul 29, 2025

Gregory Thompson said:
I am reminded of how David lamented at the death of his rebellious son Absalom.

In a sense God could probably relate since He probably had the same reaction when Adam died in front of Him.

"If only I had died instead of you"

If God were into time travel, He probably would have used it instead of this long arduous process, instead of the flood, instead of destroying Sodom and Gomorrah etc.

My thoughts.

I like the way that you are viewing this but there is evidence that we do live in a Multiverse and time is not limited to being one straight line. Here are some quotations on String Theory that I believe lay the foundation for the explanation for this from Theoretical Physics.

It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

PatrickTate · Jul 29, 2025

SavedByGrace3 said:
I would go further and say that the universe is geared toward the eventual generation of our species. We are the apex creation. This requires an intelligent design and an intelligent designer. If life of every form disappeared from the universe today, it would be just a matter of time before we evolved again. It is built into the creation at a primal level.

That is certain a very interesting way of looking at all of this.
Near death experiencers report that Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago. AT that time a massive asteroid struck the earth. Near death experiencer Robert Marshall was told by Jesus that the earth was three point six BILLION years old. But yes a massive recreation of the earth happened about six thousand years ago.

RocksInMyHead · Jul 29, 2025

Vambram said:
I didn't plagerise. I quoted an article on a website.

There is a quote function when posting:

Alternatively, you can use quotation marks, or make it clear at the start that what you're posting is a quote - e.g. "From the Federalist: '...'"

Unless you make it clear that what you're positing is a quote, the default assumption is that the text that you post constitutes your own thoughts.

Always in His Presence · Jul 29, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
I did address your post, the part of it where you confused "Republicans supporting the working class" for "the working class supporting Republicans". They ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

We disagree

Hans Blaster said:
I don't know why working class voters support the GOP. It's been called "voting against their own interests" for as long as I remember.

I can understand why you would have that point of view. I’m in Germany 3 to 4 times a year in fact just got back from Berlin a couple weeks ago.

My opinion is that the news particularly in Germany and Latvia is really severely limited in that you have CNN And the BBC and nothing that represents the conservative faction in the United States.

The reality in the of the matter is found in the links to the post that I’ve already given, and the fact that the Democratic Party has been losing the common voter for years.

They cater to the altar, Rich They cater to celebrities and they cater to LGBTQ and homosexuals.

There’s very little reaching out to the middle class or the every day worker beyond doubting unions.

In fact, some of their leadership is actively talking about it that they should start listening to their constituents instead of telling their constituents what to believe

Christsfreeservant · Jul 29, 2025

“Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.” (Colossians 3:16-17 NASB1995)

We who believe in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of our lives were not put here on the earth to live for ourselves, to go our own way, to chart our own course, and to choose our own path. And we are not saved from our sins and promised eternal life with God so that we may go on living in sin and not in walks of obedience to our Lord, living to please the flesh and not God. God did not draw us to himself so we would continue to live for self and not for God. But he called us to holy living and to walks of obedience to God.

For God created us for a purpose, and that purpose is that we might honor God with our lives, that we might follow our Lord in obedience to his commands, and that we might accept his commission (calling) for our individual lives to go where he sends us, and to do and to say what he commands. But the only way we will know the will of God is if we are students of the Scriptures, and if our ears and hearts are in tune to hearing the Spirit of God speak truth to us in our hearts, willing to obey him.

But being students of the Scriptures is not to be just an intellectual exercise, to just gain knowledge. There are people who know the Scriptures, who have even memorized much of the Scriptures, and who have even taught, or are still teaching the Scriptures. But it is all head knowledge. For it is not being applied to their lives. They know how to speak it, but they don’t live it. They can preach it to others, but they don’t put it into practice in their own lives. They know how to sound spiritual, but they are still walking in sin.

So if we are those who are letting the word of Christ richly dwell within us, then we are those who are taking God’s words to heart, and who are putting the Word into practice in our daily lives, by the Spirit. And this is not to say that we will do it perfectly, but that we are walking the walk and not just talking it, and sin is not our practice, but obedience to God is our practice. And so we are those who are teaching and admonishing one another with all wisdom so that we might all live for the Lord, doing his will, for his glory.

And when this speaks of us teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, this is not about us all attending a “worship service” where we all sing in unison the songs preselected for us to sing, usually by one person, and usually more about praising God, which is good, but which is not directed at ministering to one another, but which so many of the old hymns actually do. This is about each of us having a song or a poem to share with the rest which will help one another to walk with Jesus.

So, when this says that whatever we do, in word or in deed, we are to do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, the “whatever” does not include sinning against God, and disobeying his commands, and ignoring his calling upon our lives so that we can live however we want. The “whatever” needs to be according to the will and purpose of God for our lives, according to his calling upon our lives, and in agreement with the teachings of the Scriptures on how we are to live lives which are pleasing to God, not to please the flesh.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

Your Servant Witness

An Original Work / March 13, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Humbly I bow, Lord, before You,
Bringing my requests to You.
May I listen; hear You speaking.
May I follow You in truth.
Gently lead me in Your service.
Guide my steps and strengthen me.
Fill me with Your love and mercy.
May I live for Thee!

Let me be Your servant witness,
Telling others of Your grace.
May I always share the gospel
With those I meet face to face.
May I show the love of Jesus,
Caring for the needs of men;
Be Your servant witness always
For my Lord, Amen!

My desire to be like Jesus,
Living for Him ev’ry day.
May I obey all His teachings
Given me, so I’ll not stray.
Love You, Jesus, Lord, my master.
You are the King of my heart;
Follow You where’er You lead me;
Not from You depart!

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Jamdoc · Jul 29, 2025

Gregory Thompson said:
Knowing the signs is fine, watching for the signs is following the instructions.

One of the things we are not privy to know is when God will re-establish Israel. However, this is a crux of a lot of Eschatologies. It seems that the church into these theologies is ignoring the instructions on how to use the Holy Spirit given to us. That being, spreading the gospel to the ends of the earth.

Well there's nothing in scripture about the Jews coming back into Israel apart from when God does it.

So about all we can do is, we see this happening, and God said it would happen, so we act in faith that God has done this because He said He would do it. What else can we do? Look to the Word to see what else happens in God's prophetic plan, and watch for those things. If those things don't happen, well then we misinterpreted the supposed signs.
But if we expect these things to happen because the Bible said they would happen, it strengthens our faith, and I believe we'll need all the strengthening and confirmation we can get.
That is why God gives prophecy, so that when we see the things happen, we know that God told us they'd happen, our God is real and true, and we can trust Him that everything He said would happen, and we can trust Him, even with our lives.
So studying and watching for prophecy, is about making sure that we have faith when Jesus returns.

iluvatar5150 · Jul 29, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
After the huge proposed ones brought people to the negotiation table.

Even if we accept that premise, the original question was about predictions of the sky falling. We haven’t gotten (yet, anyways) most of the tariffs that were causing those concerns.

actionsub · Jul 29, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Doesn't the CC claim the pope as infallible yet has done all these things, I know are not coming from the God of the Bible.

Papal infallibility is far more nuanced than "the pope can say whatever he wants." The doctrine was not even formulated until the mid-19th century. In addition, this only extends to when the Pope makes an official statement on doctrine. In all honesty, the Catholics have only played that card ONCE in nearly 200 years; I believe it was on the Assumption of Mary.

Vambram · Jul 29, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
The copyright is between you, the federalist, and the board mods. My biggest complaint is that you gave no indication it wasn't your work. The only clues was the editing quality with embedded links. Your link at the end was not indicated to be the source. I guessed that it might be and opened it, making your plagiarism obvious.

I didn't plagerise. I quoted an article on a website.

Corey3518 · Jul 29, 2025

Lukaris said:
I believe it is on the individual level that the Holy Spirit dwells with us in our conscience as we do our best to live by the commandments. ( see John 14:15-18, Romans 13:8-10, 1 Timothy 1:5 etc.).

I don’t claim to be a great example but just try to understand what the Lord wants us to do. As far as on an active, situational basis in a congregation, I have no idea ( although I am not denying that there is something to it).

I'm just tired of big churches being so sensational. We don;t understand God, just understand that people!

friend of · Jul 29, 2025

Hello and welcome. What is BIOT?

Corey3518 · Jul 29, 2025

Corey3518 said:
What is Bethel Redding?

I can only speak for my church and not all churches, but I feel like they try to make everything a spiritually monumental moment. It really gets annoying.

actionsub · Jul 29, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
First is that the UMC had an escape plan and then removed it without warning.

It wasn't "without warning". The escape plan was written to sunset December 31, 2024 all along. Granted, some of the annual conferences threw everything in the book at churches trying to leave to prevent them thus running out the clock.

Lukaris · Jul 29, 2025

I believe it is on the individual level that the Holy Spirit dwells with us in our conscience as we do our best to live by the commandments. ( see John 14:15-18, Romans 13:8-10, 1 Timothy 1:5 etc.).

I don’t claim to be a great example but just try to understand what the Lord wants us to do. As far as on an active, situational basis in a congregation, I have no idea ( although I am not denying that there is something to it).

Corey3518 · Jul 29, 2025

Maria Billingsley said:
His Holy Spirit dwells in the believer. A corporate call for His Holy Spirit may not be that fruitful as He only works in the converted and converts those who love Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Sounds like your congregation has a bit of Bethel Redding in it?
Blessings.

What is Bethel Redding?

Jipsah · Jul 29, 2025

Clare73 said:
You get to decide what you think Jesus meant when he said
"with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out (is not quenched)" (Mk 9:44)

That means the fire will never go out. It does mean that anything/anyone will continue to exist in that fire.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Yeah, I'm sure "destroy" Doesn't Really Mean "destroy", there, does it. That's the way the dipsey doodle works, innit?

BIOTCatholics777 · Jul 29, 2025

Hey all! I am currently in the BIOT, not much Catholics out here. I am one of two that attend the weekly liturgy, praying to find some fellowship on here. Hope yall have a blessed day!

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