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RFK. Jr Threatens Pediatricians Over Vaccine Recommendations and Liability
- By DaisyDay
- American Politics
- 34 Replies
Death after a vaccination does not mean that the vaccination caused the death - for instance, getting hit by a bus. VAERS is, as you know, primarily an early warning system that anyone can update. One person claimed the flu vaccine turned him into the Hulk.Another way to say that is, study shows 25 children died as a result of the COVID vaccine.
Admittedly, I've not read this study yet. But here's what I've read about it:
The reported deaths originated in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the government’s database for suspected vaccine harms. Unlike the raw entries often left unexamined, FDA officials say they’ve investigated the cases.They contacted families, reviewed autopsy results and gathered medical records. It appears that, for the first time since the vaccine rollout, U.S. regulators have attempted a systematic, case-by-case review of paediatric deaths.
FDA to present review of 25 child deaths after Covid vaccination
Agency insiders leaked details of an FDA review linking 25 paediatric deaths to Covid vaccination, sparking controversy ahead of a key CDC panel meeting in the coming week.blog.maryannedemasi.com
There were reports of pediatric deaths through VAERS, and the FDA followed up with them and verified them. That sounds pretty important, since ostensibly, the reason VAERS exists is to capture vaccine ADVERSE events. Hopefully we can all agree that DEATH after vaccination certainly would qualify as adverse event worthy of follow up to confirm. If that is what the FDA study shows, then you'd think people would want to know about it.
Even if this study provides concrete evidence that COVID vaccines killed 25 children, I think there is a segment of people who will absolutely refuse to believe it. I mean, when the media starts their reporting with "ardent anti-vaccine activist", it's pretty clear they've already made up their minds before examining the evidence.
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RFK. Jr Threatens Pediatricians Over Vaccine Recommendations and Liability
- By rambot
- American Politics
- 34 Replies
Death after a vaccination WOULD qualify as an "Adverse event". Of course, it means absolutely butkiss to causation. THAT is what i'm more interested in.Another way to say that is, study shows 25 children died as a result of the COVID vaccine.
Admittedly, I've not read this study yet. But here's what I've read about it:
The reported deaths originated in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the government’s database for suspected vaccine harms. Unlike the raw entries often left unexamined, FDA officials say they’ve investigated the cases.They contacted families, reviewed autopsy results and gathered medical records. It appears that, for the first time since the vaccine rollout, U.S. regulators have attempted a systematic, case-by-case review of paediatric deaths.FDA to present review of 25 child deaths after Covid vaccination
Agency insiders leaked details of an FDA review linking 25 paediatric deaths to Covid vaccination, sparking controversy ahead of a key CDC panel meeting in the coming week.There were reports of pediatric deaths through VAERS, and the FDA followed up with them and verified them. That sounds pretty important, since ostensibly, the reason VAERS exists is to capture vaccine ADVERSE events. Hopefully we can all agree that DEATH after vaccination certainly would qualify as adverse event worthy of follow up to confirm. If that is what the FDA study shows, then you'd think people would want to know about it.
Even if this study provides concrete evidence that COVID vaccines killed 25 children, I think there is a segment of people who will absolutely refuse to believe it. I mean, when the media starts their reporting with "ardent anti-vaccine activist", it's pretty clear they've already made up their minds before examining the evidence.
I am having trouble seeing how many doses of the vaccines have been given to children but I have found that from Dec 2020-June 21 9million were dispensed. So is it fair to say that there have been 30,000,000 vaccine doses given to kids? I think that's likely a conservatives estimate but fine. Frankly, I cannotimagine it is that low given that by 2023 81% of the population was vaccinated (There are 57.6 million under 18 in the US....so that number is likely quite low but fine...)
25 in 30,000,000...given that causation hasn't even been proven I think a reasonable person would see that as a "low risk" activity. Odds of being struck by lightening WITHIN THE CALENDAR YEAR are about 1 in 1.2mil...
I'll tell you this: I would want to see the report and hear from doctors who will study that report to hear their opinion on the science located in it.
If there IS causation, I would want to read about the vector and how THIS particular mRNA vaccines actually CAUSED those deaths.
I mean, IF you wanna talk about a group of people who are working from a bias, it is this administration and the people they hired.
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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)
- American Politics
- 343 Replies
Sounds like a testable belief. Let's take a look...
Through the first dataset, the Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS), the researchers zeroed in on acts of extremism in the United States from 1948-2018. They found nearly no difference between the likelihood of an Islamist extremist and a right-wing extremist committing an act of violence; the probability of a violent act of extremism in the United States being committed by a left-wing extremist was found to be 0.33, 0.61 by a right-wing extremist, and 0.62 by an Islamist extremist.
UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland
First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...
So left-wing extremists are about half as likely to be violent as right-wing extremists. Which is significant, but the threat is still significant. Kirk seems to have been an exception to the right-wing tendency to political violence. Ironically, that might have been why he was killed; more violent extremists like Nick Fuentes' Goypers detested Kirk. His killer seems to be one of them.
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