Always in His Presence said:

I don’t think there will be enough voters, even in her party to bring a win for her.

Not because she is a woman, but because her policies are out of touch with majority of her own base

Like Bernie

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Wait...you think Bernie and aoc are "out of touch" with their base?

I am VERY curious what evidence you have of such a thing....considering the immense crowds they got on their tours

honey badger said:

whist he walked the earth which is to say his nakedness was not revealed to him because he did not make a way for the devil to enter into his garden\mind and therefor was not separated\divided from the Truth he was ect ect ect

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Hence your spin on yet another form of works gospel.

Jesus worked to save himself and you can too if you play the ambivalence card and never commit to actually having a thought one way or the other.

Oh, don't eat the fruit and save yourself!

I've seen enough iterations of that angle too. Sorry. Doesn't fly

Threads about this story are an AMAZING example about comparing anecdotal evidence and statistical evidence.

List a set of individual incidents with names....from a city of 700,000.

you can argue the "wrong people" are getting mugged in dc all you want.

But you can't say the whole city is so unsafe because his buddy got hurt.

If you're sending in thr army you better define what lack of safety means and better be willing to actually make DANGEROUS places safer.

Becsuse there are far more dangerous places than DC.

Also, strange that he continues to get support after the right Smolletted him up REAL good.

Studyman said:

You, and others who "Come in Christ's Name" promote that this "Will of God" is evil, or as you said "Godless" that HE would give men the free will to choose or reject.

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And you merely fail to see how your claims of being free from both the Will of God working in you and the will of the tempter working in you makes your will exempt from the others.

Freewill makes the chooser "god" and shoves both of the other wills aside as inferior to its own decisions.

Plain old typical works salvation gospel carryover from Roman catholicism

Apple Sky said:

Why ?

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Because to a trained eye everything is obvious.

What you consume "oozes" out of you, in some form of another. It can be a behavior, a reaction, a method, a pattern. Even if you control your speech, or actions, involuntary ones still occurs, and offers an itinerary of everything you did or do. It cannot be prevented.

You would have known this, if you were a deep thinker.

Apple Sky said:

So ......

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So..... you saying "Not at all" was wrong.

fhansen said:

And anyone who says that believers can't overcome sin aren't correctly hearing and trusting God's word

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Learn the difference between "dominion over sin" compared to false claims of "eradication of sin."

The latter doesn't exist

And we don't dominate over sin if we don't have it to dominate over

Aaron112 said:

No. Do not as if possible try to apply what the Bible says to life as we are living it. Everything is not only upside down today, but everything (practically) is harmful - pernicious (re Galatians) - and surviving is by sheer grace of the Creator through Jesus the Messiah.

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But you literally just did that to Biden with Roman's 13.

Cherry picking verses is one problem. Cherry picking when you believe and apply certain verses is another, not small, problem.

David Lamb said:

So you cannot claim that you do "not at all" ask for evidence or proof from those who disagree with you.

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So ......

206. Let’s be vigilant





Paul gives this recommendation:

“See to it that no one be deprived of the grace of God.” Hebrews, chapter 12, verse 15



Of all the insurances that we can buy to give us a sense of security, the assurance of God’s grace is the one that exceeds all others. Let’s ask God for our assurance to stay with Jesus.



The assurance of God’s grace costs nothing. It’s true that today, we often think that what costs more is better, but it’s almost never true. With God, what’s necessary for life and for the road is free.



God offers his endless grace, but we can neglect it. How easy it is to get away from the exercise regime that we gave ourselves at the beginning of the year. It’s even easier to get away from the grace of God and lose sense of reality. Let’s be sure to be constantly under the coverage of God’s grace.



Let’s check if our “coverage” of the “grace of God” is still valid. God’s service is always open, but are we updating it in our lives? Otherwise, let’s regain confidence. Let’s take time for an appointment with Jesus and take up the coverage of the Holy Spirit on us. May his assurance be renewed every day. Let’s walk in faith with the complete and free coverage of God.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: Caring for our poverties, Normand Thomas

Aaron112 said:

Don't know if that would be truly good or not - as what is falsely called knowledge (smart?) has increased beyond measure in the world (of unbelievers).

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Believing in the words of Moses is smart

The Barbarian said:

Your word was "the whole world." As you learned, the word used was "erets", which was used for localities, like "erets Israel", meaning "the land of Israel." The word for "the whole world" is "tevel." I realize that's not what you want. But that's how it is.

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Yeah you corrected me. It was just the land that flooded. Technicality but you are correct. I’ll be sure to say all the land was flooded next time.

prudent_commenter said:

If you think this, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Why ?

Hans Blaster said:

The thread's topic is based on physics, not common words. Use physics terms properly.

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Is it just based on physics. Or are you determining what is or is not the OP. It seems to me the OP is posing a philosophical question and not just about physics ie the commentator says she thinks the math and physics point to God.

Why would the physics itself determine this question. We can all agree on the physics and how wonderful it is at explaining reality. But people will differ as to what that represents philosophically. How can science verify this aspect of epistemics.

Are you saying that methofdological naturalism is the only explanation for what we observe. If so then this is a belief rather than a scientific claim.

Hans Blaster said:

I don't care what your AI said. Do you own work. An AI can't understand for you.

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Do my own work to do what. Prove God with mathmatics. No one is disputing that physics and maths describe very well what we observe. The question is whether those physical laws and maths are purely invented or point to fundementally to mind.

This is a philosophical question.

I mean we could go down the rabbit hole of whether the mind is just a physical phenomena or something beyond. Thats a big topic and its certainly not as though theres some knockdown evidence either way. The mind/body battle has been goind for 100 years or more.

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Not related to QM at all.

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Ok I thought it did.

Quantum nothingness might have birthed the Universe
The fact that matter may come out of what we would call “nothing” shows that the “nothing” of quantum physics is far from a complete void. Virtual particles appear and disappear like bubbles in a boiling soup. In the current view of quantum physics, the void bubbles continuously with the creation and destruction of matter particles.

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As an expert.

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An expert in philosophy. This is a philsophical question I think. That the math/physics points to a mind, intelligence or God. Or are we trying to verify the math and physics. I don't think it matters.

Its good your an expert so you can verify the physics and how well they describe oberservation. The better we can describe the observations the better we can understand how this points to a mind or some sort of creator of the physics.

Look at my signature lol. I linked that over 10 years ago and for me it is still coming true. If you disagree then thats ok. But that is your belief that it does not point to a creator. Not science. It is beyond what expertise in physics can claim. It is the physicist injecting themselves into the equation by a personal belief in metaphysical naturalism.

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Because I was disputing that *you* understood the claims made in the OP based on your responses. You clearly didn't.

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What claims. There was a claim that the math/physics points to intelliegnce behind it. That was a belief claim. The belief is based on the science. The expertise knowledge of the science. It seems at least for the commentator her expert knowledge gave her even more belief that there was a God than those with less knowledge.

The more she was able to understand the physics down to the quantum level the more she thought it reflected intelligence. That it made sense that God would make it such for us mere mortals to be able to get some insight into Gods all knowing and infinite mind.

That is why I jumped straight into the very bottom, the quantum vacumn. No one disputes the theory. Its the philosophical implications of this beyond the theory as to the greater scheme of reality and beyond that is the question.

How is knowing the physics or explaining observations with science accounting for ontological reality. A description is not prescriptive. A Lennox says a description of whats happening does create what is happening. This is a philosophical question.

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Which is not what my responses from February were about, nor my commentary on the video's claims. You are arguing against things I haven't been saying.

I know what Templeton is and what their (semi-hidden) goals are. I don't care what they publish.

Steve, a few things you need to know:

1. I discard all AI output posted to this site. (I also skip all bible quotes, unless the discussion is specifically about them.)

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How do you get to decide what counts or not lol. It seems to me this thread is more a philosophical one than a scientific one. Afterall the question is whether the math/physics points to a creator or not.

I am not sue what your point was. I made my point based on the OP. You came into my post from memory.

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2. Links are not arguments. Links provide references and sources to back your argument.

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I thought I had already made my arguements. I just made them again. This is a philosophical question and you seem to want to control things epistemically. Make it an empiricle question. Make it only about knowledge of physics and exclude philsophy.

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3. I'm probably not going to watch any embedded videos either, with exceptions like the OP.

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Thats quite dismissive. Almost a priori assumption that they are of no use. I though good critical thinking was looking at counter evidence and stuff you may feel is irrelevant. To actually see if it is or not rather than assuming.

Hans Blaster said:

As to this thread, what you have posted is not tied to the claims made by the Purdue physics professor in the video in the OP. That video uses the regularity of physics as an argument for god. I made my assessment of her claim quite plainly in the first two pages of this thread. If you want to discuss those claims and counter claims, that is fine, but be sure you know what is being discussed first. (If you have a question, I am open to replying.)

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Yeah I read those and some from others and I don't think they are any different to the usual objections. The idea that because we are here to marvel at how we are here somehow deminishes that we are here at all and could be here due to all those parameters being just right and designed that way from the start.

Its sort of assuming that its all self evident. That merely existing to contemplate negates the possibility that there was design in why we are here to do that. In fact it makes just as much sense and if not more to say that it should be expected that we see the world this way because God made us that way.

If there is a creator God who designed everything including us then it makes sense that He gave us the ability for his most intelligent and concious creatures to be able to know Him through what he has made.

But I think its still missing the point. Just making the claim is stepping beyond science. Its making a philosophical claim based on the observations. Science cannot claim there is no God or design.

He's committed adultery several times.

Apparently he doesn't think that may necessitate forgiveness from Presbyterians.

Again...not familiar with thwir dogma.

Lil help?

Apple Sky said:

Believe it or not, Jesus only used the word “church” twice. On the first occasion, Jesus speaks prophetically to his disciple Peter in Matthew 16:18.

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Yes, I agree. Nit sure how it answers my post though.

Brightfame52 said:

That word know is ginōskō :

1. to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
   1. to become known
2. to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
   1. to understand

The natural man has no ability spiritually to all of the above of Spiritual things proceeding from the Spirit of God. And the Gospel proceeds from the Spirit of God.

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Exactly, I agree.

Yarddog said:

Nope. I never take Trump too seriously.

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Who said "I'm glad but that doesn't mean anything about him getting into heaven." ?

rjs330 said:

A bunch of leftist scare mongering, written by a leftist writer. The EPA has been over regulating for many years now, going way above and beyond safety measures.

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and look at all the examples you gave to peove your point.

You do know thar regulations get put into place to PROTECT CONSUMERS and cirizens right?

They aren't a bunch of random rules put in to purposefully handicap a company.

There were soo many fans of rfk bwcause they were looking forward to all rhe protective regulations he was going to put in plqce to control bad chemicals in youe food system.

rjs330 said:

Making more and more demands on our manufacturers which make it more and more difficult for us and t are away our manufacturing.

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And who cares about us citizens or consumers right?

If you're worries about manufacturing tell Trump to stop with the tarriffs

High Fidelity said:

Clearly marriage is the ideal and self-evident from Genesis throughout.

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You'll have to reconcile that with the teachings of Jesus on the matter.

The past belongs to the past or else we'd still be stoning sinners to death or they never were God's Will in the first place. The Jews simply misunderstood the scriptures.

Jesus is the friend of sinners. He offers them hope and forgiveness and new life. The Holy spirit always. Wants us to get closer to Jesus. You only mention going back to church. But how’ out reading your Bible and praying for strength. He has that to give. Part of growing up is overcoming our fears. You also need to be fed from the HS at church to stay strong.

Apple Sky said:

Not at all............

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Well, here is your answer to Strong in Him, who had said that there is real evidence that men went to the moon:

"Gimme some & I don't want testimonies I want some real proof that they went.".

In answer to a post from me, you wrote:

"OK show me proof that earth orbits the sun or that the moon doesn't give off her own light & show me proof that earth moves.
If you can give me proof of these three things I may just start to believe.

And when I say proof I mean real proof not something out of a text book or is hearsay."

In answer to a post from Phil G. you wrote:

"And where exactly is Dean's abuse of scripture, do you have proof of this ?"

In an answer to a post from Trophy33, you wrote:

"What I'd like to see is proof that the earth orbits the sun."

Answering my question: "What sort of proof are you asking for?" you wrote:

"A video, real pictures of a rotating globe."

And so I could go on. So you cannot claim that you do "not at all" ask for evidence or proof from those who disagree with you.

wing2000 said:

It was under his authority that US AID was shut down as well as funding for other humanitarian efforts around the world.

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A look for USAID scandal turned up quite a number of things from Trump unfriendly sources, none of them which put USAID in a good light. Despite the claim of humanitarian effort and vaccines and food, a lot of money went to other things. Like 6 million dollars to fund Egypt tourism. Yeah, that bought a lot of vaccines. !5 million for DEI in Serbia. Lots of vaccines there. Lots of rot, too, as evidenced by the scandals. Sort of like one of those private organizations soliciting donations, then spending a good bit of it on things other than why people sent them their money.

DragonFox91 said:

Exactly! I've been thinking this for some time, the 'prosperity gospel' often isn't so obvious.

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It has different layers of deception. Some will cater to those who are shallow in their beliefs. The most devious ones will deceive even the deepest Christians. The vast majority of Christians who have adopted the prosperity gospel don't know they are and not aware they're deceived.

Yeah, but not just Jesus, the whole Bible

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Even the whole Bible should be viewed under the context of Jesus. Prosperity Gospel preachers for example view the entire Bible under the context of Proverbs and other Old Testament teachings.

"Pauline Christians" view the entire Bible under the context of Apostle Paul.