Faith without works explained

[fhansen]

Those who blame and accuse people are speaking from the tempter's seat, because sins are not counted against people. 2 Cor. 5:19

It's so important to understand what these passages mean.

"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God " 2 Cor 5:18-21

A major aspect of our reconciliation with God is forgiveness of our sins, just as forgiveness is part of reconciliation in our own, earthly relationships. But not so that we can remain in our sins, and continue to sin. We don't expect the person to continue to offend us over and over if reconciliation is going to be effective and mean anything. So the passage goes on to say that God appeals to us, and the ultimate purpose is so that we become righteous, no longer offensive.

And awareness of sin and opposition to it in no way automatically implies accusation or condemnation or judgmentalism, just the opposite, in fact.

"If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Matt 18:15-17

"Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him." Luke 17:3

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Gal 6:1

Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. 2 Thess 3:15

As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 1 Tom 5:20

ETC, there are many such verses

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

A major aspect of our reconciliation with God is forgiveness of our sins, just as forgiveness is part of reconciliation in our own, earthly relationships. But not so that we can remain in our sins, and continue to sin.

No one stops being a sinner so continuation isn't even in the cards.

What does happen is when we see our sin as rightfully of the devil, then we see it's no longer I just as Paul saw in Romans 7:17-21

Still doesn't make anyone sinless

We don't expect the person to continue to offend us over and over if reconciliation is going to be effective and mean anything.

I wouldn't expect the devil to change what the devil does

So the passage goes on to say that God appeals to us, and the ultimate purpose is so that we become righteous, no longer offensive.

People are always offended when it's pointed out that their sin is demonic

And awareness of sin and opposition to it in no way automatically implies accusation or condemnation or judgmentalism, just the opposite,

uh sin is under perpetual condemnation

 

[fhansen]

No one stops being a sinner so continuation isn't even in the cards.

What does happen is when we see our sin as rightfully of the devil, then we see it's no longer I just as Paul saw in Romans 7:17-21

Still doesn't make anyone sinless




I wouldn't expect the devil to change what the devil does


People are always offended when it's pointed out that their sin is demonic


uh sin is under perpetual condemnation

Uh, I'll stick with Scripture, the whole counsel.of it. I don't hide behind the devil as making righteousness impossible when God says he's been conquered along with sin. That was Paul's whole point in Rom 7 and into Rom 8 following.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I don't hide behind the devil

People who think they don't sin or their sin is NOT of the devil are merely providing cover for same

 

[Dan Perez]

People who think they don't sin or their sin is NOT of the devil are merely providing cover for same .

And some said that they are BORN of GOD sinners NOT. // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE ,that means

they can. NEVERRRRR EVER SIN. !!

dan p

 

[fhansen]

People who think they don't sin or their sin is NOT of the devil are merely providing cover for same

And anyone who says that believers can't overcome sin aren't correctly hearing and trusting God's word

 

[SabbathBlessings]

@fhansen And anyone who says that believers can't overcome sin aren't correctly hearing and trusting God's word

I agree this is what the Scriptures teach

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Sin of course being the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 His version, not mans.

Why when Jesus healed, He said go and sin no more, if that wasn't possible, He would have not commanded to do so.

Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—[a]our faith.

Why in Revelation is constantly referring to those who overcome

Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

I believe His commandments are His Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 man cannot change a jot or tittle what was written personally by our Lord and Savior. Exo 20:1-17 as they sit in God's temple and His word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.
Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And some said that they are BORN of GOD sinners NOT. // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE ,that means

they can. NEVERRRRR EVER SIN. !!

dan p

Good luck with denying the hard line reality of Jesus' Words, Mark 7:21-23 being applicable to you

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And anyone who says that believers can't overcome sin aren't correctly hearing and trusting God's word

Learn the difference between "dominion over sin" compared to false claims of "eradication of sin."

The latter doesn't exist

And we don't dominate over sin if we don't have it to dominate over

 

[fhansen]

Learn the difference between "dominion over sin" compared to false claims of "eradication of sin."

That should be a fairly simple concept for you to define. And I see that you've defined it earlier as "to understand we do "have sin" present tense". But if instead you meant that believers have been given a certain power over sin, freedom from its captivity so that they may overcome it by the power of the Spirit, even if they won't achieve this in a perfect or absolute sense in this life, then you would be consistent with the historic Chistian faith-and Scripture.

To acknowledge our sinfulness is good, essential, in fact. To believe that the gospel amounts to nothing more than this ackowledgement coupled with the faith to believe we're now forgiven is to do violence to the gospel. Jesus came for more than that, more than to simply, suddenly, ignore injustice. He came to restore justice, the right way, God's Way. We're to follow Him in that way.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

To acknowledge our sinfulness is good, essential, in fact

It's a perpetual state and it's of the devil

Make of that what you can

 

[fhansen]

It's a perpetual state and it's of the devil

Make of that what you can

God never created man to be a sinner to begin with, and there's a solution to that problem now. Man must be reconciled to and aligned with Him, and not the devil. That's how we become a slave to righteousness (which is simply the way we were meant to be anyway), and not to sin. Much Scripture must be ignored to think otherwise.