BPPLEE said:

All this is interesting and informative but I don’t think there’s any connection to the shooter and the aforementioned group or person

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Right, there is no connection, but that's the messaging from the other side. A desperate grasping at straws, but unfortunately a lot of people believe what they see on TV and online and they don't bother to seek out the truth.

MyOwnSockPuppet said:

That ought to really upset the judge who signed it (and the collective judicial benches around the country) - the sheer mob-handedness that they turned up with is utterly inconsistent with trying to find four Hispanic people, unless they wanted to give them more than a bus each.

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It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."

iluvatar5150 said:

I hope the lawyers who wrote it charged a boatload, because it's almost entirely ego-stroking bloviation. It seems obvious that the goal is to generate headlines about "Trump Sues NYT" and not to actually win. By the time he loses the lawsuit (and he will unless they just settle), he'll have already won the PR war, at least as far as his side is concerned.

I wonder if this would qualify for a SLAPP countersuit.

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I believe so as Florida has strong anti-SLAPP laws. I hope they sue back.

Also, because Trump filed as a common citizen and not as president, deposition should be very interesting!

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DaisyDay said:

They ought not to have bee arrested in the first place. The warrant was only for four Hispanic workers.

NYT:Georgia ICE Raid Netted Workers With Short-Term Business Visas

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That ought to really upset the judge who signed it (and the collective judicial benches around the country) - the sheer mob-handedness that they turned up with is utterly inconsistent with trying to find four Hispanic people, unless they wanted to give them more than a bus each.

indictment [some naughty language]

On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said,“drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.” The roommate looked under the keyboardand found a note that stated, “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to takeit.” Police found a photograph of this note.The following text exchange then took place

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Roommate: Why?
Robinson: Why did I do it?
Roommate: Yeah
Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.

The ... messages [on the bullet casings] are mostly a big meme, if I see “notices bulge uwu” on fox new I might have a stroke

All this is interesting and informative but I don’t think there’s any connection to the shooter and the aforementioned group or person

ThatRobGuy said:

In 2020, a total of 14,902 LAPD employees (both sworn officers and civilian staff) made a total of $1.71 billion. Four years later, the department shrank to 12,617 employees but cost the city $1.73 billion – an increase due at least in part to the boost in costly overtime pay to cover for the shortage of sworn officers.

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It could also be explained by a 5% annual raise. Generous, but not unreasonable.

Valletta said:

Police need to be able to do their jobs and not be constantly questioned every time a black is shot, instead they need to be given respect for doing a tough job. With soft prosecutors and no bail police are discouraged. Families need fathers. The music glorifying the shooting of police is a problem, that whole culture. Black kids should not be taught they are the victims of systemic racism and that their crimes are a result of that. Responsibility and accountability are critical. The children are being abandoned at a young age, they need to be provided a good disciplined education and tough penalties for misbehavior early on.

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I would like it if all police shootings are questioned.
Thanks.

durangodawood said:

What the heck is a groyper?

I know I can look it up, but I want to announce to everyone that I have no idea what this thing is.

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Your virtue signaling is duly noted.

Yarddog said:

Most of the So. Koreans were there legally and have been released. Trump has been kissing up to the president of Hyundai.

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They ought not to have bee arrested in the first place. The warrant was only for four Hispanic workers.

NYT:Georgia ICE Raid Netted Workers With Short-Term Business Visas

rambot said:

I would bet it does not mean that as, unless I'm mistaken, these people were in the US to install and work with proprietary, new technology.

can't just chuck randos at that.


Also, seems like Korea (And other Asian countries) are cooling FAST to investing in the US. Expect to see what we saw with Trump 1.0 (a lot of promise and ALMOST no follow through).

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You can chuck randos at it once. Just like any vehicle can be used as a minesweeper once. It's not as if lithium-ion batteries aren't notoriously tetchy if they aren't treated with respect.

Just like overseas investments - the odds of being able to even find 300+ more South Korean engineers who would be willing to travel to the US, let alone those with experience of proprietary equipment.
Then there's all the other RoK firms looking at their plants (both live and under construction), plus almost all of the civilian shipbuilders in the US
who are no doubt thinking "if it could happen to them, what's to stop it happening to us?"

Lastly there's the impact of having the RoK government launching a human rights probe over the treatment of their citizens by ICE during the raid, and their subsequent week in detention. As it stands any Korean company or politician that suggests investing more than a pint pot of warm spit in the US is looking at a find-a-new-line-of-work level domestic backlash.

And that would include the $350bn of investment that they were effectively blackmailed into promising in the (as yet not signed) art-of-the-deal.

durangodawood said:

I remember that.

Im trying to think how it could come to pass that any of my friends would bring their neo nazi pals over to my house as guests. It would require me having some rather sketchy friends.

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I suppose Kanye could be described as sketchy, but a neo-nazi who's half Mexican and has lots of black fans? The actual Nazis must be rolling over in their graves.

Valletta said:

There's nothing wrong with asking questions. But assuming there is wrongdoing or looking hard for wrongdoing from the beginning is bad for everyone, especially in cases where the person being arrested refuses to follow orders.

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Looking for wrongdoing from the beginning is bad for everyone? That is how the police operate in every investigation. If it is bad then we need to start rethinking police tactics.

What needs to stop is the demonization of police and the assumption of ill intent. What also needs to stop is the blocking of consequences for police who DO so bad behavior and a lack of control.

Hentenza said:

I wish both sides would just shut up.

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You can't "both sides" this when one of the sides is internet commentators, and the other is not only the government, but law enforcement agencies within that government.

FireDragon76 said:

Yes, because if you had a genuine mystical encounter with God, it might lead you to reject the kind of flat, doctrinaire religion that John Piper preaches with so much certainty.

The blind leading the blind.

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I agree with you, but that genuinely made me laugh, sorry lol

Oompa Loompa said:

Terroristic verbal threats is not protected speech. Unless you are saying that fake bomb threats and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is now protected? Do you not see the difference?

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Go back and read what she said.

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This is from the same guy who lives in South Korea, updating the situation over there along with his wife this time.
Seems like the South Korean government is looking into a possible human rights violation lawsuit against the USA. And to the Koreans who were held at the ICE facility, to them it seemed like the people there were untrained. And just a tad bit racist to boot.

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Chris Norland - I'm a fan of his. Very level headed and sensible. He's an American citizen who was born in Vietnam; his wife is Korean. He's sort of a counterbalance to FinanaceBros.

RDKirk said:

I had heard about Nick Fuentes maybe six years ago and the use of that frog character about then. They are the same group, I believe, that made the "Okay" finger symbol their own.

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The mainstream media are desperate to paint a clear line from cartoon frog memes to extremism, but online meme culture is alot more complicated. Much of it is more fragmentary than most pundits are willing to comprehend. Irony is sort of the whole point.

Servus said:

I have to be a Vanity Fair subscriber to read the whole article. How about a video clip of Charlie Kirk himself actually saying whatever, rather than Ta-Nehisi Coates telling me what he said?

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Incognito Mode was enough to get me around the paywall.

Hentenza said:

The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist[4] activists led by Nick Fuentes. Groypers are a loosely defined group of Fuentes's followers and fans.[5][6] They are named after a cartoon amphibian named "Groyper", a variant of the Internet meme Pepe the Frog.

Groypers - Wikipedia

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Don’t usually use wiki but I’ll do for this.

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I had heard about Nick Fuentes maybe six years ago and the use of that frog character about then. They are the same group, I believe, that made the "Okay" finger symbol their own.

Yes, because if you had a genuine mystical encounter with God, it might lead you to reject the kind of flat, doctrinaire religion that John Piper preaches with so much certainty.

The blind leading the blind.

It's mostly an American and Israeli phenomenon owing to American Evangelical politics often being pro-Israeli, and there's rarely a coherent theological justification given. I'd imagine it's far from universal, even then. It seems more like a political move on the part of Israelis to express sympathy and solidarity for the death of a political figure like Charlie Kirk who was quite ruthless in his pro-Israeli messaging.