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The Liturgist · Sep 15, 2025

Delvianna said:
The danger is prioritizing peoples interpretations over following Gods, is what is the main issue as to why there are so many fragments.

That’s what St. Irenaeus said. The irony is that if you read the church fathers rather than merely dismissing them you would see they advocated for a unified church based on fully scriptural doctrine.

PrincetonGuy · Sep 15, 2025

David Lamb said:
The Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis, and Creation Ministries International are NOT scientific organizations—they are religious organizations and the people that they employ are NOT scientists but religious workers whose job it is to refute science and promote their organization’s religion—that religion being creationism that opposes Biblical Christianity.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 15, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Oh, I hadn't heard about the witchcraft angle yet.

The stupid Jezebel article. Update to the Jezebel Charlie Kirk Story

iluvatar5150 said:
Yeah, it would be sort of interesting to see how the trans demonization works when the one trans person in this situation winds up being the one to provide the most assistance to the prosecution against the person supposedly motivated by trans ideology.

It would be interesting any other time, but this time I suspect it will play out as we all think it does.

iluvatar5150 said:
Merely being told about something isn't, afaik, being an accessory. I haven't heard anybody allege that there was assistance provided to Robinson.

It's not. You had to know or have reasonable knowledge a felony occurred, provided assistance or counsel, and performed actions that communicate specific intent to hinder capture. If they're cooperating, then they are not accessories. Here's guessing the person was smart enough to lawyer up to protect themselves from separate prosecution beforehand.

timothyu · Sep 15, 2025

Or as I would say it .... His will be done, not ours. In doing so we allow God to work through us for His purposes, not ours, whatever the end. Putting our self-serving will first disconnects the conduit as we cut off the will of the Father in favour of our own. Change (repent). Serve God and others in need, not self-interest. Be of the Kingdom, not the world.

Unqualified · Sep 15, 2025

I don’t fit either. But I know I’m saved and that’s enough. I have my relationship with Jesus and He accepts me just the way I am. I have to love correction because I’m not perfect, the Bible says. The church is a place for misfits and that’s ok. But God is good to all.

camille70 · Sep 15, 2025

None of the last 31 political attacks was by anyone from 'the Left'. Not one. We can count them.

None of the last 31 political attacks was by anyone from 'the Left'. Not one. We can count them.

The script written for Donald Trump which he read stiltedly straight after Charlie Kirk was shot declared assassinations in the USA were caused by “the radical Left”. He said: “For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like...

www.dailykos.com

This link above is a slightly edited version of an article published in Independent Australia. The original article is available here in full for free:

The vector of political killings in the USA is still Donald Trump

Ideologically-motivated violence in the USA is overwhelmingly inspired by President Trump.

independentaustralia.net

The Liturgist · Sep 15, 2025

gzt said:
At this pointy you're getting into individual disciplines, but generally unless otherwise noted you should assume they eat a typical monastic diet.

Assuming of course the saints were monastic, which indeed a great many of them are, but not all of them. Also with monastics many of them repented from worldly life in becoming monastics and thus previously indulged in one or more of the passions, but there are others whose entire life seems to have been consecrated, and then we have our glorious lady Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary who did not engage in sinful behavior; that said, Metropolitan Kallistos Ware correctly points out she still required salvation from her son, which we see spectacularly granted in the Dormition, where her immaculate and perpetually virgin body was taken up into heaven bodily, like St. Elias, St. Moses the Prophet and possibly St. Enoch the Prophet.

Ophiolite · Sep 15, 2025

Kathleen30 said:
About as rude as your post 9 with your claim of my seemingly absent logic according to you. But for better clarification. Ophiolite do read my post 37 . It is late this part of the world . Good nite

Interesting: I've never thought of puzzlement and admission of ignorance to be rude. Perhaps I should have put the "seemingly" in bold. i.e it seemed to me to be lacking in logic; that was an admission on my part that I was quite probably misreading it; therefore expanding your remarks to reveal what logic you intended to display would have allowed me to engage in discussion on it. My signature contains some further remarks on that point.

Tuur · Sep 15, 2025

DaisyDay said:
This is why Common Core was such a good idea. The governors of various states got together to determine what should be learned at each grade level, the each one separately would determine how the curriculum would be taught, then the same standardized tests would be given at certain intervals and the results compared. Had this been carried out our nation would now be further along in knowing which approaches were the most effective. Unfortunately, that was kicked to the wayside.

Comparing test scores from eighty years ago with test scores today seems worse than meaningless because the tests themselves are not the same.

Whether or not Common Core was a good idea depends on the aims. If the goal was to teach students more, then it was an abysmal failure. As a candidate for school superintendent in Georgia pointed out (and had the documentation), Common Core guidelines were less that guidelines then in place in place in Georgia, and Georgia already wasn't doing very well compared to the rest of the nation. But if the goal was to improve test scores by watering down curriculum, then it was a dandy idea.

Since what we're looking at here is the idea that "ranker" is affecting test scores, comparing test scores isn't meaningless since a test goes over the information taught. Thus it's how well students learned the presented material. Rancor circa desegregation was much more than rancor circa now. And kids today don't have to worry about nuclear war like we did. They don't go to fairs and have the local CD hand them a guide on building fall-out shelters.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 15, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
And liberals and the witchcraft community, all of whom are getting nuked right now. It's so predictable, it's boring.

Oh, I hadn't heard about the witchcraft angle yet.

Tropical Wilds said:
And if they do, I certainly hope that comes out. But if the roommate is actually trans and moreover actually the trans lover of the shooter, here's hoping the fact that person is complying and being cooperative will motivate people to not be jerks to the person. I mean, I highly doubt it, but still. One can hope.

Yeah, it would be sort of interesting to see how the trans demonization works when the one trans person in this situation winds up being the one to provide the most assistance to the prosecution against the person supposedly motivated by trans ideology.

John G. said:
To me that sounds like an accessory after the fact.

Merely being told about something isn't, afaik, being an accessory. I haven't heard anybody allege that there was assistance provided to Robinson.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 15, 2025

John G. said:
To me that sounds like an accessory after the fact.

If they're cooperating, which all sources say they are, then no, it's not.

Unqualified · Sep 15, 2025

matt84 said:
Thanks for everyone for the replies, and prayers if you did.

I prayed and prayed for the pain and anger to go away. But during one prayer, I was asking God to make the anger and pain go away and put my heart at peace. I was telling God I was so mad at the shooter for what he did and I know it was wrong but I was hoping he gets the death penalty. About at that time I heard the words "what he DID" repeated in my head, and there was a strong emphasis on the word "did". And just like that all the anger was gone.

For some context, I've never had anything in my life where I was like that's definitely God, I haven't even had one that was maybe possibly God. But after this, I don't know.

I was able to mentally separate the person from the deed, I wasn't mad at the person, but the action. The sadness didn't go away, but the anger just vanished. As I lay there thinking and news story pops up on the TV that was showing all the childhood photos of the shooter. I started actually feeling bad for the kid. I'm not excusing the action at all, it's vile and heinous. But he was a good kid, had a good family, he just got radicalized in school and made a huge mistake that will more than likely cost him his life. It got me thinking about what Charlie would want done with his killer, and knowing how much Charlie loved everyone and valued life so much, I don't think he would want him killed. I honestly think Charlie would like to see him come back to God and go to heaven. And I pray that happens before he passes.

forgive him too?

Ophiolite · Sep 15, 2025

Meowzltov said:
Last time I checked, science and logic were NOT the only foundations for belief. Are they the most reliable? Yes.

Excellent. We begin with agreement on both points. (It's some time since I posted the remarks and recall nothing other than the apparent absence of critical thinking in their remarks.

Meowzltov said:
But there are many things that science and reason say nothing about.

True.

Meowzltov said:
The existence of God.

Here I disagree. Science tells us there is no evidence for a God. There are observations that could readily be consistent with the existence of a God, but for which there are wholly natural (rather than holy natural) explanations. Reason has been by both sides to both "prove" and "disprove" the existence of God. Given the conflicting arguments I think reason, in this case, should be set to one side - at least for the moment.

Meowzltov said:
The meaning of life.

I think the combination of scientific findings and reason strongly suggest that we must define the meaning of life.

Meowzltov said:
What has value. What is right. What is good.

Science shows a progressive development of emergent properties; amongst these is the remarkable emergence of conscious intelligence that allows a portion of the universe to examine and gradually understand that universe. Science also tells us that in that emergence, via evolution, cooperation plays at least as great a role as competition. That suggests, to me at least, that is best summarised by the Golden Rule. The Jesus of the Bibble seems to have hit on the same notion, though by a different route.

Meowzltov said:
If it is something like those things, where science and logic tell us nothing, it is perfectly okay to go to less reliable sources, such as intuition or pattern recognition.

Well, we'll have to differ on science/reason telling us nothing about certain things. I use intution and pattern recognition all the time, but I do so aware (from science) of the limitations and false readings that can be produced by both. I apply critical thinking to their products, just as I do with the findings of science. As far as I can see, based upon the content of your posts, it is another area where we are in agreement.

Meowzltov said:
There is so much more to life than knowing the earth is round, or that we all evolved, or that a star is a glowing ball of gas

Excellent. We end upon another agreement.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 15, 2025

Servus said:
A "what if" scenario. The left egging them on so much might not have been such a good idea.

The only people egging them on on Jan 6 were folks pushing the "stop the steal" con, which was ...checks notes... not the left.

The Liturgist · Sep 15, 2025

HIM said:
So you saying you do not actually have a rebuttal to what was shared other than to say the masses have said therefore they are right?

Not at all. Rather, before I provide my rebuttal I wish for you to answer my question, in order to put things in their proper context.

BCP1928 · Sep 15, 2025

Servus said:
Because Miller wanting to stamp out the ideology he follows makes no sense.

Of course. Each side wants to "stamp out" the other's ideology for pretty much the same reasons. That was my point.

gzt · Sep 15, 2025

Seraphim . said:
But did & do they eat fish or food containing wine/oil as appropriate, in contrast to their mostly strict fasting, on these days, or did the most austere monks still do a strict fast from all of that regardless, on these feast days? And is that normal for many Elder monks who are deeply immersed in the spiritual life? Did Saints still do a strict fast on such days?

I see you are right, it was a 'wine and oil' fast day, despite being a feast, as many feast days are wine/oil or fish allowed. It says it was a day of fasting and prayer, despite being a feast.

At this pointy you're getting into individual disciplines, but generally unless otherwise noted you should assume they eat a typical monastic diet.

John G. · Sep 15, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
From what I understand, the shooter sent messages about the crime to the roommate, who is cooperating. To the extent that those messages point to the shooter's guilt, they may be included in the charging documents, and they may also have a bearing on motive.

But yes, the roommate is not really part of the matter at this point.

To me that sounds like an accessory after the fact.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 15, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
From what I understand, the shooter sent messages about the crime to the roommate, who is cooperating. To the extent that those messages point to the shooter's guilt, they may be included in the charging documents, and they may also have a bearing on motive.

And if they do, I certainly hope that comes out. But if the roommate is actually trans and moreover actually the trans lover of the shooter, here's hoping the fact that person is complying and being cooperative will motivate people to not be jerks to the person. I mean, I highly doubt it, but still. One can hope.

Juvenal · Sep 15, 2025

Servus said:
They're all skilled debaters in their own way with years of experience. They don't need to ape Charlie Kirk to get the same job done.

In my travels across Africa and Asia, I've become familiar with religious proponents of northern, southern and Tibetan Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, and even animism, all with years of experience.

I agree that they don't need to ape Christian missionaries to get the same job done.

I expect Christians may feel otherwise.

Mut. mut.

BCP1928 · Sep 15, 2025

Nothing has "backfired" except Chesterton's attempt at trolling.

Say it aint so · Sep 15, 2025

Servus said:
I would not be the least bit surprised to find out they were made by leftists trying to frame the right. They'll probably all get traced and caught, just like Robinson.

Yeah, that must be it. Some Alex Jones conspiracy come to fruition.

essentialsaltes · Sep 15, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
Given the situation, they don't really need to identify the person unless they're charged with something or maybe being investigated for something

From what I understand, the shooter sent messages about the crime to the roommate, who is cooperating. To the extent that those messages point to the shooter's guilt, they may be included in the charging documents, and they may also have a bearing on motive.

But yes, the roommate is not really part of the matter at this point.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 15, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Anything to pin this on trans people...

And liberals and the witchcraft community, all of whom are getting nuked right now. It's so predictable, it's boring.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 15, 2025

Meh. A satire article from somebody who knows about as much about witchcraft as they do Charlie Kirk. The killer had been plotting this for awhile and I suspect the Etsy witch curse on Charlie Kirk was about as effective as any curse purchased on Etsy would be.

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