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What if God isn’t sending a savior through the ballot box?

I understand the impulse. We love this country. We long for a return to righteousness. But we must ask an uncomfortable question: What if God isn’t sending a savior through the ballot box? What if He’s sending discipline instead?
Great question. This is why we need to remain prayerful.
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Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

When WWIII hits, feminists will be begging to go back into the kitchen.
I hear that bone spurs are a good way to avoid serving your country.
BTW, my wife is happy at home raising children as a stay at home mom.
Well done her. It's a tough gig. But would she be happy losing her vote? More to the point, would you be happy if she lost it?
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Was ordinary and natural family a threat ?

looks pretty cool to me

i will go to bed less ignorant this evening

All that looks harmonious, i must admit.
How, however, do you make the unity of mind and spirit in Christ occur, in order to "control" the overseer's authority. Through the church ?
Yes, the unity in mind and spirit is just as much a check and balance I think fo the overseer as it is for the members or the church. This is the good fruit that the church is in good health they they have unity.

I think its Clement that mentions that division no matter what it is is the beginning of evil. So when you see division then Christ is either not there or is being deminished and if this continues they will lose Christ in that church.

Either way. If the bishop is not aligned with Christ and the teachings or the members do the same then one way or another its bad fruit that needs to be sorted out.

Paul gives teaching about this. We know he mentions many times about the authority of the overseer when members are sinning or promoting false teachings. But he also says that even if an overseer is teaching false ideas or sinning that two or more members can bring this to the attention of the church.

But notice it has to be two or more as Paul also realises there are false accussers. But I think basically its Christs authority based on His own words and teachings that will be used to unite the church.
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How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

Except you are taking this to an extreme to pretend you don't rely on material matter. That you don't rely on others or things that exist in this world to sustain you.
You are reading too much into this.
God supplies the things I "rely" on.
The air I breath and the food I eat.
You are assuming that to defend one's home, one's city, one's nation is wicked instead of the basic duty expected of us.
Only the wicked disobey God.
I quote Jesus...Love you neighbor as you love yourself" !
We've had this discussion before. You believe in the unlimited right of evildoers to do as they will. Killing is necessary if you want to live in society.
That doesn't sound like anything I have written before.
You seem to be misconcluding that obedience to God is necessary to live among society.
I cannot agree with that idea.
You're assuming that Christ does not use his own to protect others. That the Church is called to defend others from evil has been self evident to the faithful since the beggining.
Show me any evidence of the saints defending others in the name of Christ in the bible.
God does our protecting...not man.
Do you consider yourself part of a chain of Christians stretching back to the Apostles?
Yes, and our church is named in Eph 3:21.
Because they were. Can you demonstrate they were not? They weren't Gnostics though if that's what you're asking. So they didn't have your beliefs.
If they did not have my beliefs, they were not of God.
Their beliefs would have been world-flesh based.
There have also been plenty of men and women who were obedient to God and did kill people.
Not a chance.
And hence you'd prefer every Christian in the past end up dead or in slavery.
I could serve God, under anyone's dominion.
I am doing it now, in the USA !
Death casts no fear, on those already dead with Christ.
You'd prefer Muslims have won and dominated us entirely.
You seem totally oblivious of the power of God.
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Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax

LOL. Perhaps you don’t know that TDS stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome.
At most, he's unhinged a little. Mostly, we see him sundowning with signs of progressive dementia. Derangement is something quite different.

It’s what people who go to the most outlandish lengths to find fault for one person while ignoring the threats to democracy their own people cause, have.
Ah, like "Biden Derangement Syndrome."

After disasters like the Texas flood, Trump reflexively blames Biden

Trump takes credit for ‘good parts’ of economy, blames ‘bad parts’ on Biden

Trump marks 100 days in office with Biden blame game

President Trump says Joe Biden is responsible if the economy shrinks again in second quarter

Trump expected to rename San Andreas fault to Joe Biden's fault.

O.K., the last one was satire. But you get the idea. Biden is living rent-free in Trump's head. He doesn't seem to be able to get over the fact that Biden beat him.

Other than that, Trump is just slipping into dementia, not "derangement."
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3 killed by strike at Gaza's only Catholic church; Israel launches probe, expresses 'deep sorrow'

I disagree.
He has written the words that he does not support Hamas, but his general postings say otherwise. When he will not say, or even agree with someone else’s statement that Hamas could end this as easily as they started it, but instead lays all the blame on Israel, that is the same as support. Or at least Hamas would take it that way.
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Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

depending on your view points, it is not nessisary for Christ to leave heaven.

as Jesus explains, the reapers at the end of this age, are angels.

Johansen, glad to meet you since I don’t think we’ve met before on CF.

No verse says anything about God removing Christians from the earth before the end of the world, The only way to find a “rapture” in the Bible is to separate the Second Coming into two parts. Fervent believers in a “rapture” have told me that separating the Second Coming into two parts is a necessary condition. That’s why Jesus has to “leave heaven” for the “rapture.”

I’m not sure what “reapers” in the Bible you are referring to.



In the Parable of the Wheat and Tares, the tares, the wicked are actually burned first. This happens in Matthew 13:30. The timing is inconsistent with the Dispensationalist belief that Christians will be removed years before the Jesus returns publicly and openly to the earth, to set up His kingdom. Instead, God destroys the wicked first. Then the meek inherit the earth.

Mt. 13:24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is
like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
Mt. 13:25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed
weeds among the wheat, and went away.
Mt. 13:26When the wheat sprouted and formed ears, then the weeds
also appeared.
Mt. 13:27“The owner’s servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn’t you
sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come
from?’
Mt. 13:28“`An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him,
`Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
Mt. 13:29“`No,’ he answered, `because while you are pulling the
weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
Mt. 13:30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will
tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in

bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into
my barn.’“

Matthew 13:24-30 NIV
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Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Drama

Yes indeed. Its a difficult state of affairs. Its good that there is concern about political and economic corruption and a desire to see that tackled.
On the other hand, we had better be sure our own government isn't "calling the kettle black" !
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How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

By insinuating that we can't walk in the Spirit, you are in effect admitting to walking in the "flesh".
I pray you will repent of sin, and get your past sins washed away by the blood of Christ at your baptism into Christ, His death, and His resurrection.
Be raised as a new creature...with Christ !
Also circumcising the body of the sins of the "flesh", putting off the body. (Col 2:11)
Thereby also crucifying your "flesh" with the affections and lusts...so you can walk in the Spirit.

Except you are taking this to an extreme to pretend you don't rely on material matter. That you don't rely on others or things that exist in this world to sustain you.
That is not what Christ says.
Where did He authorize the ways of the wicked to preserve His kingdom ?

You are assuming that to defend one's home, one's city, one's nation is wicked instead of the basic duty expected of us.
By letting liars know the punishment for lying, do you also opine that I condemn liars ?
They condemn themselves, as do those who kill in the name of Christ Jesus.
There is no justification for murder/killing.
We've had this discussion before. You believe in the unlimited right of evildoers to do as they will. Killing is necessary if you want to live in society.
Your reliance is on the "also-rans".
Turn to Christ for real protection.
You're assuming that Christ does not use his own to protect others. That the Church is called to defend others from evil has been self evident to the faithful since the beggining.
You seem to have forgotten who you are writing to.
I received the gospel from others who live the doctrine which is according to Godliness. (1 Tim 6:3)
We are not alone.
Do you consider yourself part of a chain of Christians stretching back to the Apostles?

What makes you think they were Christians ?
Because they were. Can you demonstrate they were not? They weren't Gnostics though if that's what you're asking. So they didn't have your beliefs.
I disagree.
I will also add, that there have been plenty of men and women who have remained obedient to God and not killed anyone.
There have also been plenty of men and women who were obedient to God and did kill people.
I would rather die for walking in and after the Spirit, than depend on the disobedience of others to save me from anything.
And hence you'd prefer every Christian in the past end up dead or in slavery. You'd prefer Muslims have won and dominated us entirely.
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AI is not the problem. We are

In the case of AI, all good AIs need a login, because the way to use them for optimal performance is to have one singular, session-persistent conversation with them, which requires having a user account with the platform.

What I do is use a separate e-mail address for log-ins to online services I don’t want spamming my primary account.
Is it always important to have a persistent conversation? I can imagine how that could be important if I were using AI to work on an ongoing project, but does that matter if I'm just a casual user who, for example, might want to ask about quantum mechanics today and ask about making tuna salad tomorrow?
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How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

No you have a physical body which Christ redeemed via his own incarnation and resurrection. You think, like the Gnostics did, that you are beyond this prude matter but you are not. You will always have a physical body, even after the resurrection.
By insinuating that we can't walk in the Spirit, you are in effect admitting to walking in the "flesh".
I pray you will repent of sin, and get your past sins washed away by the blood of Christ at your baptism into Christ, His death, and His resurrection.
Be raised as a new creature...with Christ !
Also circumcising the body of the sins of the "flesh", putting off the body. (Col 2:11)
Thereby also crucifying your "flesh" with the affections and lusts...so you can walk in the Spirit.
If every Christian had followed this advice then we would not be Christians today. Fighting was necessary to preserve Christianity.
That is not what Christ says.
Where did He authorize the ways of the wicked to preserve His kingdom ?
You do. You consider someone who kills a murderer. Therefore you are condemning them even if they kill for a just reason.
By letting liars know the punishment for lying, do you also opine that I condemn liars ?
They condemn themselves, as do those who kill in the name of Christ Jesus.
There is no justification for murder/killing.
I consider relying on the protection of the authorities a good thing. But you condemn those same authorities for protecting you because ultimately authority must be willing to use violence in order to enforce order and justice. Protection requires to use of retaliatory force and you make all force evil with your views.
Your reliance is on the "also-rans".
Turn to Christ for real protection.
Then there were no Christians throughout the whole of history. You have an explicitly Gnostic view of the body and the Gnostics died out a long time ago. You'd be better off as a Dhimmi in Spain though no Christian community there would accept you.
You seem to have forgotten who you are writing to.
I received the gospel from others who live the doctrine which is according to Godliness. (1 Tim 6:3)
We are not alone.
Well yes. There's a difference between living in Europe and the Middle East. Europe is the result of Christianity even if the latter's influence has declined. You are basically positing a world which looks like the Middle East, if our Christian forebears had done what you wanted and just run away and or surrendered. I quite like the Christianity of my forebears.
You are welcome to post your opinion, even if I see no wisdom in it.
Yes it was the policy of the Christian King and Queen of Castille and Aragon.
What makes you think they were Christians ?
There have been plenty of Christian soldiers throughout history. It's because of then we are Christians because without their protection we could have ended up like the Copts in Egypt or died out completely.
I disagree.
I will also add, that there have been plenty of men and women who have remained obedient to God and not killed anyone.
You're still offering nothing. If the Christian action is to retreat, to be weak and never defend oneself then those with the will to dominate would have won a long time ago. I am grateful for Christians in the past being willing to resist their enemies. They were not pacifists or sadomasochists, they understood how society functions and acted accordingly.
I would rather die for walking in and after the Spirit, than depend on the disobedience of others to save me from anything.
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No, Israel is not starving poor Gazan children. Don't buy the fake news lies

Why do you support Israel? Do you support human rights? The declaration of Israel in 1948 by a minority of the population in Palestine was a violation of the Palestinian's human right to self-determination. Also, a nation for Jewish people, or any other religious group, is a violation of the human right to freedom of religion. It is not exactly separation of church and state. It is Israel's human rights violations that have caused war in Palestine for the past 77 years. There is no need for anyone to coexist with Israel because Israel doesn't deserve to exist. As a Christian, I support human rights, and I therefore oppose Israel.
Israel has been the homeland of the Jewish people for thousands of years. It matters not what kind of nation they make it. It is only against OUR Constitution in America that prevents us from setting up a national religion.

And it’s not a nation just for Jews. There are actually a lot of Palestinians that live in Jerusalem in peace because they don’t want to be part of the forever wars that are present in Gaza and other Middle Eastern countries. They live in peace and Israel protects them, as they would protect all who want to live in peace.
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Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

It was put before the people who experience it - who lived through the trauma of war. The President at the time along with Congress said yes -

who are we to reverse the sentiment , over 100 years later of the people who lived through it? Perhaps they saw something we didn't.

BTW - it was and act of Congress working with the President who built (by a Jewish artist) and placed the monument. Who removed it? Congress? no -

No, it wasn't put before "the people who experience it - who lived through the trauma of war." It was passed 50 years after the end of the war, essentially by the children of those that fought -- most of those who had fought were in their graves by that time. The average life expectancy for men in 1914 was only about 58.65 years; yes, some were left who were over 65 years old (who lied about their age and joined at 15, in the last year or so of the war) but most had passed on.

In fact, that rough time period (early 1900s) was a time of "Southern revival," a time when most of the statues and monuments to the Confederates were built and installed. It wasn't being done by those who fought in the war.
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Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

The only one getting cancelled are confederate traitors.

What link have you requested from me. I recall none.

Back in 2020, when the BLM protests turned to removing confederate monuments like the one in the OP, there was a surge in neo-confederate apologetics. I adopted my avatar in opposition to the neo-confederate arguments. (SHerman is my spirit animal. The south must not rise against the US again.)
The link to where Hegseth said they were going to reinstate slavery. I’ve been asking for 3 days now and nobody has provided one.

I don’t think you have to worry about the south rising up again. Though I worry about the Dems keeping the blacks down in the present. Keeping the ones in poverty in perpetual poverty without giving them a way out, telling them who they have to vote for or they can’t be black any longer, telling them they are too stupid to get IDs so they can vote. Things like that.
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Thessalonians 4 Does Not Teach a Rapture Separate from the Second Coming

Over and over, people have tried to tell me that there were Christians in the ancient world who believed in something like the modern notion of “rapture.” I have spent time and energy running these claims down and I have always found them to be false.

You are quoting Thomas Ice, who is associated with Tim LaHaye (Left Behind) and with Liberty University. Liberty University teaches creationism. I’ve read that in science class, LU teaches that Noah had room for dinosaurs on the Ark. If that comes up on a true/false test you have to mark it A true.

The modern idea of “rapture” came out of Dispensationalism. Thomas Ice is a Dispensationalist. I can make no sense out of Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists teach that from time to time, God issues a decree changing His plan of salvation. These are the Dispensations. I don’t believe that. Our God is a God of stability, of constancy. God knows everything and has no need to change His mind. Dispensationalists teach that God did not foresee the need for the church, or the church age. Again, I can make no sense out of this.

I have read one lengthy article by Thomas Ice and I cannot see him as an authority on anything. It’s all just a shell game.
Well, I took a course with Liberty U. and did not find it unChristian or anything like that. Other than that I agree with you. ;)
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