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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 990 Replies
I think thats an unreal solution. We may not find anymore for years. Are we to wait and just ignore all these vases. When you consider that the very best of what came out of the digs was given away by archeologists like Petrie. It seems strange that we don't attempt to verify them in whatever way we can.
Yes we can do that. But also the collectors and auction houses. All aspects of what was going on and what would have been the most likely situation. For example forging these vases down to the smallest of detail and even unusual marks that would not be bothered with. This is done in forensic science.
You look for tiny signatures that only the ancient vases would have. Whatever that is. Thats one way. Even metals in the stone and the stone makeup. In fact One test found a higher level of radioactive material in the predynastics as opposed to modern vases. Forgers would not know this.
Or the tremendous difficulty and cost would restrict most back street forgers out. This would be someone with connections. Even modern machinist have difficulty replicating these vases let alone early to mid 20th century tech. It would have been specialised.
The problem is the majority of vases and the best vases are in private collections. No one in their right mind in testing these vases would ignore the majority of vases and a category of vases that potentially has the very best examples.
But some of the vases in private collections like Beall's have this level of prevenance. They trace back to say high rtanking politicians or military who were gifted these from say Petrie. They will all say this on the certificate of authenticity. One well known family has owned these vases in the early 20th century and has sold many for 10,s of 1,000's of dollars with guarentees and certificates of authenticity.
Museums have hosted them on loan and everyone referred to them as genuine and this was taken for granted. So we should be able to say they are the real deal.
The two images together of the full inside of the unbroken vases. The one on the left is a predyanstic with provedence going back to the same family I mentioned above. Before this family it was owned by a high ranking officier in the Egyptian army I think. The one on the right is a modern CNC vase.
The seperate pic of the vase fragment is from under the Stepped pyramid where there are many like this. They both show circular striarations. But some vases will be partly or fully polished on the inside as well. So its not every vase. But either way we have clear evidence for circular strirations from some sort of machining. In the case of the fragment theres no doubting its provenance.
Actually it is true when it comes to the precision vases. We are not worried about the less precise vases. They are not calling out with their signatures in being witnesses to modern tech and machining. Its the vases I have shown with high precision that are now being questioned for provenance.
When they say it may have been made on some lathe in the mid 20th century they are trying to attribuute those modern signatures still to within modern times. The provenance has become the biggest objection to these vases. There are literally millions of crooked soft stone vases. Theres ample to find good provenance and we know they did not need sophisticated tech. Well not as much as these precision vases anyway.
Ah and you said it was not about provenance. Thats all that is left to counter the evidence. These were found by Petrie and are still the same ones when discovered. The same place the complete vases that are in museums and yes some of the same have inscriptions from predynastic kings.
But many from the predyantsics such as the Naqada. Whether the Kings usurped them or made them themselves. But it doesn't matter because they are all predynastic and 5,000 plus years old.
If you go an find pics of the vases under the pyramid you will see many repeats of the same vases tested. They look exactly the same. Repeated over and over and over again.
Just go to any pics or especially videos of under the Stepped pyramid and you will see. Obviously they have taken the complete ones and cleaned up a bit. But they are everywhere. From memory they even used fragments as part of building walls.
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B flat B♭
- By Apple Sky
- Conspiracy Theories
- 289 Replies
But this thread does matter, it's about time people understood Biblical Cosmology & the truth.
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