Servus said:

He wouldn't have done so much in such a short amount of time if he wasn't working. One may not like what all Trump is doing, but he's obviously getting a lot of work done at a fast pace.

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Just imagine what he could do if he wasn’t so obsessed with all his enemies.

Stopped_lurking said:

Please, make sure you get the names correct if you are going to ascribe someone a position.

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Yes sorry I get confused with posters. It was a standout as it was contradictory to what all other objections.

Nevertheless you seem to believe that we must find the device before being able to make any determinations about what caused the actual marks. I think this is not necessary for obvious reasons.

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The Petrie vases are not like Porsches though.

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Yes I made an exaggerated example to hit home the illogical thinking. Lets say it was a precision part that looks a part that goes into a Porche. This will have much of the same precision of a vase that has been lathed. We don't need to find the manufacturing machine that made that part.

We can say as it meets the requirements of machining by its signatures. As opposed to say a hand made part without machining which for good reasons is not how we make precision parts.

Its ironic really. Because we don't have the traditional tools and device in the records for back then. Yet you and others are quite happy to accept this method without finding the device.

Stopped_lurking said:

Actually, we know that replicas was made even at the time of Petrie's dogs. This is why I would be much happier with investigations of vases from well documented modern dogs.

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Petrie was excavating from the later 19th century. I would like to see any examples of attempts to create these vases back then. I have a feeling they were not as precise. Even today manufactures say that replicating these vases is not easy and requires specialist machining. Especially on the inside.

Stopped_lurking said:

Perhaps they were inherited, but until we can say that they ARE inherited we can't use them to argue about predynastic vases.

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Well this is the point. Who is saying this. The skeptics will always want more and more and more evidence which can be overly demanding. Whereas many institutions, dealers, and most importantly the market says they are the real deal.

They are often good enough to be guranteed their worth and to be housed in museums and referred to as examples of predyanstic works. I would rather fall on the side with the mainstream acceptance that a few hyper skeptics.

Stopped_lurking said:

Olga managed to make a vase with better exterior quality (according to Max) by only having a method to mark areas that were higher than the rest.

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Lol you do realise Your actually making a case for advanced tech using wheels and laths with modern day bearings to stablise the work for OLga to achieve this. Without it she would not have been able.

Then well we have not even began to mention the interior which was nowhere near the level of the vases and an impossible task to be marking little spots on a wheel to then reach in and chip away. Not does her method look anything like the near perfect arcs cut into the stone Petrie mentions. Or what we clearly see on the insides.

A Note on the ‘Replica’ Vases
The ‘replica’ vases ‘O1’ and ‘O2’ were made by Olga Vdovina in collaboration with the antropogenez.ru. The objective of the replication effort was to show that it was possible to make stone vases using stone, wood, and copper tools known to ancient Egyptians.

I must point out that Olga Vdovina made the vase ‘O1’ using a plastic rotary table supported by a ball bearing to control the outer surface accuracy through rotation by painting the elevated spots with a sharpie marker

The use of modern technology in making the ‘O1’ vase represented a significant deviation from the initial objective of antropogenez.ru to use only the tools available to the ancient Egyptians.

Nevertheless, both vases are classified as ‘IMPRECISE’ according to the proposed quality metric. This remarkable circularity was achieved due to the use of the ball-bearing supported rotary table, which is a contemporary piece of technology that was not available to the ancient Egyptians.

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Stopped_lurking said:

There are other ways to do that that don't involve rotating the object. You can soot the inside of a hole in a piece of wood and polish the surfaces that get soot on them, my speculation. There are probably other ways to, that more experienced artisans have developed as a matter of fact during their careers.

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Yes and thats my whole point. Now your thinking outside the circular. The use of heat and fire to shape objects. A natural phenomena that is enhanced by humans. I mentioned the softening of stone which is a similar logic.

But it seems askeptics only want certain alternative ways that align with modern tech which then means that anything that looks similar must have been made with some sort of primitive tool and sheer rubbing from the beginning to create everything we see.

If for example we found burn marks or evidence of burning or heating to shape these vases then you would have to by logic of your example on wood be open to such alternative ways.

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Petrie was active well before the methods of archeology had matured

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Petrie actually pioneered modern archeology. He is like the Einstein of phsyics. His measures though not down to the micron were what set the science of archeology. He rigidly recorded every detail.

Yes modern tech was not available and thats why his opinion is untainted. He is just observing and measuring a new thing almost. But they did have the lathing principles at that time. In fact it would have been the new tech for that time and well known by scientists in the field. They were at the forefront.

In fact none of Petries contemporaries disagreed with his measurements and explanations of the methods. They just did not like the idea of actually saying that this was like modern tech or required modern ways of lathing. Or lathing at all.

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and whilst he obviously was very interested in ancient Egypt, just because he says something doesn't make it true. The fact that he supposedly gave things away, makes me believe that he at least sometimes made quite substantial mistakes. Most of his writings are not peer-reviewed either.

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Lol your now subjectively making claims about Petries motives and thinking to use as evidence to undermine him. Just because he says something that many, even his contempories agreed with and can see with their own eyes.

The reason he gave away vases as gifts was that there were so many. These were not all precision vases. They were the minority being at the top of the best exanmples and reserved for royalty. But he did so for some as that was the kind of person he was and I would say that back then the whole thing about vases and auctions and precision was not a thing.

But none of this is relevant to the facts that he recorded the precision and marks on the vases and gave his best opinion from a scientific explanation for what may have caused them. But this is not rocket science either. Theres a big difference between exact arcs that are cut into vases and pounding, chipping and rubbing.

Stopped_lurking said:

Coincidentally? They have probably read him.

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Here it is again. The reduction of anyone who dares suggest the same findings must all be deluded and are seeing things that are not there. Like some contagious mental disorder that causes them to be fooled. Never any thought that repeated findings may be good science lol.

Stopped_lurking said:

The pictures you have shown don't have exact uniform arcs.

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So wait now your doing it to Petrie. He is looking directly at the arcs in the vases. What he depicts in only a small example. But he is looking directly at them and with his vase expertise telling us how the arc is uniform and meets exactly when reset. The steps around the lip stepped up with the same exact arc.

But you believe the pictures prove him wrong because of what you think they look like. I would rather believe Petrie and others who have actually measured and tested these vases.

Stopped_lurking said:

Max should get his stuff published if he believes in it.

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Actually Max mentions this. He says he is already publishing them on his site. They are open articvles available for peer review and this is actually happening right now. Whether that is taken to a jouranl I don't know. But whats the difference. Both are open to scientists to peer review.

Like I said the hostile reception and biases of those who even suggest such things even before it is explained is not a good environment and is usually hestitant in even allowing such articles.

But he has published stuff.


So he is a scientists and thinks in such terms and not some whacko that is deluded into thinking aliens or Atlantis created these vases lol.

bèlla said:

Trump administration moves to overrule state laws protecting credit reports from medical debt

The Trump administration is moving to overrule any state laws that may protect consumers’ credit reports from medical debt and other debt issues.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has drafted what’s known as an interpretative rule related to the Fair Credit Reporting Act, interpreting the law in a way that says the FCRA should preempt any state laws or regulations when it comes to how debt should be reported to the credit bureaus like Experian, Equifax and Trans Union.

This repeals previous Biden-era rules and regulations that allowed states to implement their own credit reporting bans. More than a dozen states like New York and Delaware prohibit the reporting of medical debt on a consumers’ credit report.

Medical debt is often the most disputed part of a consumer’s credit report, because insurance payments can take time, and oftentimes patients do not have the means to fully pay a medical bill if insurance is not covering a procedure that has already taken place.

The three credit bureaus jointly announced in 2023 they would no longer track any medical debts below $500, which at the time the bureaus said would eliminate 70% of all medical debts reported on consumers’ credit files. But some states have gone further than that. New York, Delaware and others passed laws where medical debts can no longer be reported to the credit bureaus.

The CFPB, which is largely not operating at the moment with the exception of actively repealing previous rules written under President Biden or earlier, says in its rule that Congress intended to “create national standards for the credit reporting system” under the FCRA and state laws run afoul of that intention.

The Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that Americans owe roughly $220 billion in medical debt. In Republican-controlled states like South Dakota, Mississippi, West Virginia and Georgia, roughly one in six Americans have outstanding medical debt, according to the KFF.

Having outstanding, delinquent medical debt can impact the ability for an individual to apply for a mortgage, a credit card or an auto loan.

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This needs to be fixed given the Trump admin.
"The Consumer Corporate Financial Protection Bureau has drafted what’s known as an interpretative rule related to the Fair Credit Reporting Act, interpreting the law in a way that says the FCRA should preempt any state laws or regulations when it comes to how debt should be reported to the credit bureaus like Experian, Equifax and Trans Union."

Vambram said:

The negotiations should happen after the clean CR is allowed to pass by the Democrats.

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Vambram said:

Otherwise, the Democratic Party is attempting to use the suffering of some who depend upon government money as leverage against the GOP. I got to wonder why they are willing to do that?

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Because the Republicans are causing the suffering of some who depend upon government money, and this is the only leverage the Democratic party has right now. Certainly, the GOP has not proven themselves open to negotiation up to this point, why should democrats expect it after the GOP gets what they want?

I understand, the leader of the Republican party isn't exactly known for his ability to negotiate in good faith, but let's give it a try, see what happens? Might even help reduce the suffering of some who depend upon government money. Assuming the GOP cares about those folks.

-- A2SG, a pretty wild assumption, I grant you....

Valletta said:

I don't know which particular source this is, but going to the same sources that have been spreaders of hoax after hoax is not logical. Do you know the old saying, "Fool me once . . ?" There were over 2 million non-citizens receiving Medicaid before the big beautiful bill became law. Democrats can argue that they were legal due to Biden administration polices but they are illegals now. The GOP tightened up the wording in the law to prevent them from taking taxpayer dollars, why do you think the Democrats are still demanding the wording in the new law be removed? It's the same tactic they use over and over, while people were pouring over our southern border and they were even secretly flying people in, they told their base the border was safe, secure, and closed. It took some Republican senators getting past the secrecy and recording what was going on, and then the Texas governor busing people to Democrat cities in order for some to realize they had been lied to:
“They’re angry… They’re frustrated that the Congress — at least in the Senate — is focused on paying for health care benefits for illegals as opposed to paying their paychecks for the great work that they provide to the American people.” (Watch)

Democrat Shutdown Jeopardizes America’s Skies

Democrats’ reckless government shutdown — now dragging into its third week — has plunged America’s air traffic control system towards a tailspin. While

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My article is linked, and has sources for their statements within the article. You posted the lies from the Trump White house itself. An org that will lie like no tomorrow. The org that has claimed it has a plan to make healthcare better and cheaper which would make this whole shutdown moot. But we both know that too is a lie. So one more time. If you or the White house of the GOP have to make up claims as a argument, then all of you have no argument.

To add, here's Snopes. An AP factcheck. A Georgetown U factcheck, US Today news and so on.
I know they aren't the Mooney Paper, Murdoch Inc, The Epoch Times or Prager U, but maybe there's a case for dabbling in reality.

Pepperdoodle said:

Trolling on the internet refers to the deliberate act of posting inflammatory, provocative, or off-topic messages in online communities such as forums, social media platforms, chat rooms, or blogs with the primary intent of provoking strong emotional reactions, inciting arguments, or causing disruption.
The behavior is typically motivated by amusement, a desire for attention, or to manipulate perceptions, and often involves tactics like deception, where the troll may pretend to hold a belief they do not actually have to elicit a response.

Several thoughts...
Though some of it may be funny, is it a good thing?
Should a President, in this case, Trump, troll the public?

Please give some examples of a Democrat President trolling the public?

I didn't vote for Harris or Trump, so either side trolling seems unnecessary.
What is your opinion of a President trolling?

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I think he’s a spoiled bully who should be working instead of trolling on the internet every day.

A2SG said:

Sure. All republicans need to do is negotiate on health care subsidies in good faith, and everything can go back to normal. Gotta wonder why they're so resistant to doing that?

-- A2SG, just kidding, we know why.....

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The negotiations should happen after the clean CR is allowed to pass by the Democrats. Otherwise, the Democratic Party is attempting to use the suffering of some who depend upon government money as leverage against the GOP. I got to wonder why they are willing to do that?

Vambram said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/30/government-shutdown-delta-air-traffic-controllers.html

Delta Airlines, United Airlines, and American Airlines are calling on Congress to end the shutdown. Delta Airlines is telling the senators to immediately pass the clean Continuing Resolution.

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Sure. All republicans need to do is negotiate on health care subsidies in good faith, and everything can go back to normal. Gotta wonder why they're so resistant to doing that?

-- A2SG, just kidding, we know why.....

SabbathBlessings said:

Its what Jesus said Mat 21:13 quoting from Isa56:6-7 and that the apostles didn't keep every Sabbath decades after the Cross because it was a commandment of God. This is nonsensical. The apostles followed and imitated Christ Luke4:16 John15:10 just as we are to 1John2:6 they obeyed God's commandments, just as we are to. 1Cor7:19 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

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You do realize that the early Christian church met daily in the temple? They didn't just set out one day for worship, preaching, etc. They assembled daily and God added to the church daily. And Paul even talked about collections on the first day of the week when he wrote to one of the churches he set up.

Today, we have that freedom in Christ. We don't need a day to specifically worship God. That would make us a part time Christian. We should worship and love him 24/7. And we could go to church every day if one was in place to do so. Going to church on a Sat or Sun was not what the Sabbath was put in place for. And Paul certainly straightens us out on not judging people about such things one way or the other.

But the law can't save us. We will always fall short of keeping it in some way or the other. Maybe not even intentionally or without thinking. We are in the flesh. We should always strive to walk in the spirit but we will never find perfection in these flesh bodies.

SabbathBlessings said:

God defines what sin is 1John3:4 James2:11, not us.

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Again, we all fall short in the flesh. Are you stating you are without sin?


Loving God with all our hearts souls and mind and loving our neighbors will always count as fulfilling the law. That's a promise from Christ. When we fall short of that, we get back on the path to striving for those two commandments -putting the spirit over the flesh.

Again, I know we will not agree on this on this, especially Hebrews chapter 4.

Delta Airlines, United Airlines, and American Airlines are calling on Congress to end the shutdown. Delta Airlines is telling the senators to immediately pass the clean Continuing Resolution.

Lady Bug said:

The bathroom is a compelling argument but if only I could stand to see people's heads in front of me...

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I’m always scooting around trying to see the priest instead of what always seems to be a big head blocking my view.

YeshuaFan said:

Think many times people are be given mental images and memories that they think was of a real physical nature
Think that there i satan behind this, as when they encounter aliens they talk new Age talk that they created man as ancient Alien visitors
Think that it is interesting that majority involved in this have had occult backgrouns, and also that when the person uses the name of jesus against those so called aliens, they flee and leave

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Yes, theres something other worldly or realm in all this. But it seems more refined now. Its not as vague as men from Mars or another planet that are humanlike and just advanced in tech. Its more dimensional and even supernatural in how people are percieving this and its not restricted to religious belief. But perhaps more a conscious experience that is manifesting itself with real world affects.

I liken it to NDE or OBE because it has paralells with the realness and non temporal aspect of these experiences. It often involves supernatural feats like instant teleportation or seemingly travelling through solid material and all that. Or how objects appear out of nowhere and then disappear or move in ways that defy reality. No sure its related but it seems to tap into the same brain areas.

We know that this can be closely aligned to imagination and dream states. But there seems a certain quality that is different. Certainly it has a real and lasting affect unlike the confused and easily forgotton imagination and make believe. It seems to penetrate deeply into the psyche and soul of a person.

Dan Perez said:

And here is. the best verse in JER 17:9

# 1 THE HEART //. LEB. , is a DEFINTE ARTICLE , in. the SINGULAR is. an ABSOLUTE

# 2 IS DECEITFUL //. AQOB. is a SINGULER. ABSOLUTE

# 3 ABOVE ALL // KOL. is a PREPOSTION an a SINGULAR ABOSOLUTE

# 4 AND DESPERATEL WICKED , in the SIGNULAR is a ASOLUTE

# 5. WHO // MI. is a PARTICLE INTERROGATIVE

# 6 CAN KNOW IT // YADA. , in. the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the SINGULAR

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Edifying but doesn’t unequivocally demonstrate an inability to come to Jesus. Every sinner that comes to Jesus has such a heart.

To establish “inability” ineluctably from the Bible demands a verse that states an inability exists.

John 6:44 does so. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up the last day.”

No ability to come to Jesus unless and until the Father draws.

The Father “draws” then an ability to come to Jesus manifests with the person, people, anyone, everyone, drawn by the Father.

The “ability“ to come to Jesus by the act of being “drawn” necessarily includes the ability to refrain from “coming to Jesus.”

dms1972 said:

Total Depravity (the first of the five points of Calvinism)

I've heard Calvinists like RC Sproul and say "Total Depravity" can be misunderstood, and a better term might be "Total Inability".

What is the biblical basis for Total Depravity or Total inability.

And what can a person do before they become a christian.

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Total Inability to “come to Jesus” by their own free will.

John 6:44 “No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up the last day.”

So, no one is free to decide to “come to Jesus.”

Everyone must be made “able to come to Jesus” by the “drawing” of the Father.

However, the “drawing” of the Father only makes everyone draw “able to come” and the word “able” inherently includes an ability to “come” and an ability to refrain from “come to.”

Spiritual Jew said:

I have no idea of what you're trying to say here. Obviously, someone who currently believes has previously been born again. How does that prove that they were born again before they first believed? You have not addressed that as far as I've seen.

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We have both agreed (it seems) that the order, born again --> currently believing, is scriptural. But your question implicitly assumes a different sequence:

First believed --> born again --> currently believing.

That assumption introduces a bifurcation (distinction) Scripture never makes: a distinction between initial and continuing faith. Your question is an argument from silence. It's not my burden to disprove the speculation that there is "first belief" prior to being born again. It's yours to substantiate it. The text of John simply speaks of believing as the mark of the regenerate, not as two discrete phases of faith. So I'm asking you to demonstrate this distinction exegetically: where does John differentiate between an "initial" and a "continuing" faith?

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When someone is regenerated, they are made righteous because that involves the washing and regeneration of the Holy Spirit in a person's heart.

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If regeneration makes one righteous, how does a person exercise saving faith prior to being made righteous? Is faith not itself a God-pleasing act? How then could one who is still "in the flesh" and "hostile" toward God perform it, given Rom. 8:7-8 and John 6:44?

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Read my post #48 in this thread. I see that you too are taking 1 Corinthians 2:14 out of context.

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You've chosen to respond only to one of the texts I cited. Would you algo engage with post #35, where I address John 6:44?

Your reading of 1 Cor. 2:14 conflates two different passages (2:6-16 and 3:1ff) and, in doing so, collapses distinct categories under the guise of "context." In vv. 10-16, the contrast is between ψυχικὸς ἄνθρωπος ("natural man") and ὁ πνευματικὸς ("spiritual man"), not between "deep doctrine" and "simple gospel." The distinction is anthropological, not pedagogical. Two kinds of people in nature, not two stages of maturity. The adjective ψυχικός consistently denotes one governed by natural faculties, devoid of the Spirit (cf. Jude 19, ψυχικοί, πνεῦμα μὴ ἔχοντες, "natural men, not having the Spirit"). This is not a category of "immature believers," but of unregenerate people. By contrast, πνευματικὸς is one in whom the Spirit dwells (cf. Rom. 8:9).

The "babes in Christ" appear later as a separate category in a different discussion. Chapter 3 shifts topics to internal church divisions. Chapter 2:10-16, however, is an epistemological statement about spiritual perception. Verses 10-12 ground all true apprehension of divine wisdom (the gospel) in the Spirit's revelation. Verse 14 then states that the ψυχικὸς man, devoid of the Spirit, cannot receive that wisdom, while verse 15 affirms that the πνευματικὸς, the regenerate man, can discern it.

δέχομαι denotes receptivity, not just comprehension. It means "to welcome" or "accept favorably," not merely "to grasp intellectually." The phrase οὐ δέχεται τὰ τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ θεοῦ ("does not receive the things of the Spirit of God") means that natural man refuses spiritual things, not just that he "struggles to understand" them. He rejects them as μωρία, "foolishness" (cf. 1 Cor. 1:18).

And Paul tells us why: οὐ δύναται γνῶναι, ὅτι πνευματικῶς ἀνακρίνεται, "he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." οὐ δύναται denotes an ontological incapacity, not a temporary ignorance. The verb ἀνακρίνω means "to discern or evaluate rightly." Apart from the indwelling Spirit, man cannot rightly perceive or embrace spiritual truth, including the gospel itself. "Babes in Christ" have the Spirit. The natural man does not.

So 1 Cor. 2:14 is identical in principle to Rom. 8:7-8 and John 6:44. Can you address those texts as well? See post #35 for my comments on John 6:44.

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Why would regeneration and sealing not happen at the same time? How could we be regenerated by the Holy Spirit without also being sealed by the Holy Spirit?

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Again, you are assuming what needs to be demonstrated. It is not my burden to disprove that "born again" and "sealing" are identical; it is yours to argue from the text.

Paul does not use σφραγίζω to describe regeneration. Regeneration is consistently marked by terms that denote the impartation of life or a new creation: ζωοποιέω ("make alive"), γεννάω ἐκ θεοῦ ("born of God"), and καινὴ κτίσις ("new creation") -- cf. John 3:3-8; Titus 3:5; 2 Cor. 5:17; 1 John 5:1. By contrast, σφραγίζω refers to authentication (cf. John 6:27), ownership, and the guarantee of what God has accomplished. It's a mark of assurance (2 Cor. 1:22; Eph. 4:30). It is never used to denote the impartation of new life. In Romans 4:11, the noun form is used covenantally to refer to a confirming seal (a stamp) of righteousness that already exists, not the means by which righteousness is imparted.

I also never denied that regeneration and sealing can occur simultaneously in time. They very well may, at least from our perspective. You are conflating logical and chronological order. The argument in 1 John 5:1 is about logical precedence, not necessarily temporal sequence. Two actions may coincide from a human perspective, yet remain distinct in nature and function. Regeneration is the impartation of spiritual life; sealing is the Spirit's mark of authentication and assurance. One is an ontological act; the other is an attestation. Regeneration --> faith --> sealing, can all occur within the same temporal window. That does not make regeneration and sealing identical, nor does it have any bearing on the logical precedence of regeneration --> faith.

Gregory Thompson said:

And after 4 years, what happens to America?

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Hopefully another Republican president. I can see that happening.

ViaCrucis said:

Cute. But I'm actually being serious.

-CryptoLutheran

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I know you are. Its too bad you feel that way. If things keep going the way they are, we will have a better and stronger America than we've had in sometime.

As long as the economy does okay.

What an alarming case for Finland- this will show the future of the freedom of the church there.

Chesterton said:

A couple of posts ago I mentioned how it was wrong about the day of the month. When I pointed that out to it, it was insistent that it wasn't wrong, and tried to make an excuse for it. That is a bit troubling to me. But there have been other times when it has admitted when it's wrong.

I totally agree that it's being given human values. It doesn't understand them, but it will enforce them. It's very "politically correct".

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Depends on the Ai training values. Elon's Grok had some very UN-PC things to say!

Chesterton said:

I once asked Chat if it "reasoned". It said it did, I explained why it didn't. It wouldn't back down, claiming it reasoned, but just differently from me. It doesn't know what it's talking about. As you say, there's nobody home to reason.

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It 'wants' you to hit that like button!

Chesterton said:

I know you put it in quotation marks, but I thoroughly disagree that electronics can want anything. Wanting is a feature of the living, organic things God created. To want is to have will.

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Agreed. Hence the 'wants'. It has an artificially created agenda, even though it does not have an organic body with emotions and self-awareness. The podcast also had an episode with a philosopher who - I don't think was Christian - but also argued that self awareness required an organic body with primal emotive instincts honed by millions of years of evolution. (I have no problem with that as a Christian, being a Theistic Evolutionist.) I thought that was a fascinating discussion as well!