Fervent said:

Improper use doesn't discredit having value when used appropriately. And sticking to more literalist hermeneutics certainly hasn't done much to prevent division, how many factions have spawned from the notion that the Scriptures are perspicuous?

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Absolutely true.

RandyPNW said:

Well, you're likely being silly, but in reality I do have a book on the high priestly garments. The underwear, however, is not featured prominently.

You might be amazed at how God's mind operates and reveals things to those who desperately want an intimate relationship with Him. There are, I think, hidden things in the Scriptures that "kings" find out.

Proverbs 25.2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

Maureen Gaglardi, a late minister and teacher of the Gospel, wrote a series "The Path of the Just" on the Tabernacle and on the High Priestly Garments. In those books she calculated arrangements and measurements and equated them to periods of time in the history of the Church. It is truly quite amazing how she did this.

Of course, these things are not predictive prophecies, but confirmation of what God has done with careful anticipation and programming.

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As silly as it sounds (and I myself found it absurd) my friend assured me that he sat through the entire sermon.

Hentenza said:

No it is an emotional fallacy that people that espouse heretical doctrine use to guilt others into believing it. God is just a horrible God if there is eternal punishment. Typical.

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I have to ask this, but is English your 1st language?

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They can fly you too Antarctica but they wont fly over it & then you must book a special charter flight as part of a package tour, typically from South America, which lands on King George Island. These flights are highly susceptible to weather delays and are only available during the Antarctic summer season, from November to March.

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tdidymas said:

Unfortunately, everyone with a dogma claims they got it from the Holy Ghost, so why are so many dogmas are in contradiction?

Just the fact that you are trying to explain something from scripture means you're interpreting it - that's the definition of interpretation.

But if you can't agree with that, then don't respond, I'm not going to argue with you over words.

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That's right you are not going to argue with me over words.

I am not trying to do your fact, so the fact remains you cant interpret scripture, interpretations belong to God.

It is the same as where we are told that all the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, soothsayers, could not show the secret to king Nebuchadnezzar, and Daniel tells as this is the scriptures for us all, that there is a God in heaven that reveals SECRETS, (SO THATS WHY THERE ARE MANY DOGMAS AS YOU ASSKERD, AND MANY FALSE INTERPRETERS.) and Daniel makes clear that the SECRET is not REVEALED to him for any wisdom he has THAN ANY LIVING, but for the sakes of the ones who make known the INTERPRETATION to the king.

So as I told you, you cant interpret, the scriptures are not of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATIN, as told in scripture, and as I repeated, did not try to explain.



Daniel 2:27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Dan1988 said:

Of' course Paul is addressing them as believers. My Pastor addresses our Church as if we are all true believers. But there are always "Judas Iscariots" in every Church, many Judas' are in the pulpit and they lead Churches for decades and nobody knows they are Devils, disguised as Men of God.

We don't treat any Church member with suspicion and distrust. Every member gets the benefit of (innocent until proven guilty). In any case the Church is all about the Lord Jesus, we must die to self and He must take over every single aspect of our lives. He must increase and we must decrease, because we are nothing and He is everything.

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But he’s NOT telling them that they are incapable of being spiritually appraised. And you keep refusing to answer the question, were they spiritually appraised and were they believers? Why won’t you answer the question?

Hans Blaster said:

How do you squint through a telescope in space?

Why are you here? Is it to denigrate science in general, or just NASA? Are you a flerfer?

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I am only here to bring you truth, and if that brings me into direct conflict with areas of science corruption and deliberate errors and lies to suit corrupt agendas, that has to be right. That's why I put forward my 2 Ho equations to expose basic lies that prop up the fake big bang hypotheseis.

Hentenza said:

I’m not the one espousing controversial doctrine, you are.

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Is this the ad populum fallacy you're invoking here? <Laugh>

Hentenza said:

Emotional fallacy.

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<Laugh> I'll take that as an "Intentionally Missing The Point" Fallacy. I think it's difficult for most rational human beings to considered torturing anyone in perpetuity is an act that can be easily be associated with love. Then again, "love" may not actually mean "love" in your lexicon

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Some more emotional fallacies.

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Which means they made you unhappy? <Laugh>

Dan1988 said:

There's nothing wrong with scripture, but everything is wrong with your interpretation of it, as I have consistently demonstrated and proved that your interpretation is always incorrect, because it's fundamentally flawed.

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No in reality you just keep making empty claims and refusing to provide scripture to support them while ignoring every passage of scripture I’ve presented to actually prove my points. My interpretation of scripture makes man responsible for his unbelief. Your interpretation makes God responsible for man’s unbelief. I expect to have to defend God from atheists and other unbelievers, but it’s pretty sad when I have to defend Him from professing Christians.

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Where is the command in any of those verses? answer only in your imagination, you just made that up.
God doesn't have a problem with his grammar, He doesn't need you to change the wording of His verses. He is quite capable of speaking for Himself, even if you don't agree with what He says.

Jesus was simply stating facts, like If you put your hand in the fire, you will get burned. He wasn't saying I command you to put your hand in the fire so I can prove my point.

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Answer my questions. Was Noah commanded to build an ark or not? Was Moses commanded to go to Pharaoh or not? Was Jonah commanded to go to Nineveh or not? Answer the question.

Dan1988 said:

No, you're dead wrong again and let me prove it. You reckon dead men hear the gospel, but God said it's impossible for them to hear it.

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Where did He say that? If you’re going to make claims about something that God said it’s best to actually quote where exactly He said it. Then you’ll have actually proved something. Making empty claims isn’t proof of anything.

Dan1988 said:

From what I can see, your erroneous interpret of the gospel always stems from your premise that "man is saved by works" or ":keeping the law" but that idea was well and truly debunked by the Reformers 500 years ago. I'm surprised you haven't woken up to it yet.

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Quote where I said anything about anyone being saved by works. I never said anything about anyone being saved by works or keeping the law. In fact I don’t recall mentioning the law anywhere in this discussion and the only time I’ve mention salvation by works is when I was telling you that what I had posted had nothing to do with works.

Dan1988 said:

The gospel is trash to those who are perishing, it has the stench of death to them and they hate it. So what makes you think that any intelligent person would embrace something that stinks like a corpse??? your version of the gospel makes no sense at all.

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So you’re saying that Jesus and Paul were wrong then? You’re just going to ignore the passages of scripture that I quoted where they specifically said that the word of God does save people?

iluvatar5150 said:

This is true for every president.


Yeah, instead in his first term, he just let a bunch of foreign dignitaries stay at his DC hotel to curry favor and in his second term, is using his likeness to sell merch and cryptoscamps.

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Not to mention, soliciting expensive gifts and contributions.

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Yes, well I would say that there is a great deal of space between "avoiding all serious topics and disagreements," and, "needing to challenge differences of opinion." Yet this thread is about evangelization and the faith, and that strikes me as a serious topic that true friends would discuss.

It could be put this way: if one believes that some reality (e.g. God) is central to human life and human happiness, then true friendship requires that this reality be discussed with their friends, at least occasionally. This is because friends care for one another.

...Anecdotally, I know a woman who was trying to keep her wedding costs down, and decided not to invite many of her friends. The friends who were not invited were insulted, and her response was, "If they were really my friends, then they wouldn't care whether I invited them to my wedding." She had it exactly backwards. It was precisely because they were her friends that they wanted to be at such an important event in her life. The same sort of thing is happening in cases such as these. "If they were really my friend, they wouldn't share with me about the life of grace and Jesus Christ."* This is precisely backwards. The truth is rather, "If they were really my friend, they would share with me about the life of grace and Jesus Christ." And again, this doesn't mean that one must be pushy or "preachy," but the point stands, and in my experience non-religious friends really do understand this fact, and may even begin raising the topic themselves.

* Or more generally, "If they were really my friend, they wouldn't share with me what they see to be of ultimate importance."

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...Anecdotally, I know a woman who was trying to keep her wedding costs down, and decided not to invite many of her friends. The friends who were not invited were insulted, and her response was, "If they were really my friends, then they wouldn't care whether I invited them to my wedding." She had it exactly backwards. It was precisely because they were her friends that they wanted to be at such an important event in her life. The same sort of thing is happening in cases such as these. "If they were really my friend, they wouldn't share with me about the life of grace and Jesus Christ."* This is precisely backwards. The truth is rather, "If they were really my friend, they would share with me about the life of grace and Jesus Christ." And again, this doesn't mean that one must be pushy or "preachy," but the point stands, and in my experience non-religious friends really do understand this fact, and may even begin raising the topic themselves.

* Or more generally, "If they were really my friend, they wouldn't share with me what they see to be of ultimate importance."

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This rather controls friendships in an oblique manner.

One pastor has said that you can determine the most important thing in your life by how willing and able and eager you are to talk about it. If, given the freedom to discuss what you want to discuss, what you would most often choose to discuss is what is most important to you.

If for Christians that's Jesus (and it should be Jesus), then Christians would tend to be drawn to people with whom they can freely talk about Jesus.

David Hine7 said:

What do NASA know about anything?? They simply squint through slightly bigger telescopes than you, but stll get the maths wrong, confusing distance by saying "distance and / or speed is time only". Prats. So you bow humbly down low and worship NASA prats

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And lo, the mask has come off! The true face of arrogance that you think you know more than scientists is laid clear and simple for all to see.

In order to persue the truth you have to be willing to be offended. It was not that Jesus or the disiciples went around offending people. It was that the truth they told offended some as a matter of it being told. It was simply Good News.

Jesus said to the disciples when he sent them out that if a town did not welcome them to move on. They were not open to the message.

I think there is a cultural phenomena happening as well more generally that Christians are immersed in. The social context has been different throughout time. I think today we live in a postmodern era where everything is questioned and there is no truth. Facts are rationalised and experience is the new reality.

A fundemental aspect of postmodernist thinking is words and meanings and narratives create the reality. Personal truths are the reality. So a word or a certain narrative can represent offense or even a threat because it represents attacking someones reality.

That is why certain words or books or language has been banned or cancelled or deplatformed. You can't say certain words or you must say certain words ie pronouns. Almost like language police. So of course say the wrong thing will cause offense.

We also see the proactive use of words as a means to push a narrative. By repeating the words and narratives over and over. Which of course offends the other side. Each side coming up with new words to demean the other. Almost as though everyone is morally outraged.

In some ways its the exact opposite of the age old saying "sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never harm me". Except now names harm people. They are more sensitive to the words and language spoken.

I think this is a culture wide phenomena and not just Christian. Though I think Christian values and biblical truths are becoming one of the trigger narratives today. Just proclaiming biblical truths can be an offense to some.

Dan1988 said:

Please refrain from playing word games, as it is childish.

No, No, No, faith does not proceed grace. Grace proceeds faith as I have already proven but you keep rejecting what Gods has said consistently in order to give your religious denomination validity.

I have also proven that faith is a gift which God only gives to His elect, so that's another blow to your religion.

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You proved it where? Please do quote the post where you proved that.

Jipsah said:

Right where your doctrine puts it. You simply change what you perceive the words must mean if your doctrine

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I’m not the one espousing controversial doctrine, you are.

SabbathBlessings said:

Exactly because they are keeping God's law, not rebelling Rom8:7-8

The law does not void the law, it established it Rom3:31 Why Jesus will say why do you call Me, Lord a Lord and do what I say Luke6:46.

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Jesus fulfilled (completed) ALL of the law. If He did not then we are still in our sins and His sacrifice was for nothing.

FaithT said:

Anybody know?

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In our K-6 Catholic school I've found there is quite a bit of difference between individual teachers, even at the same school.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Maybe you should send your calculations to NASA instead of responding with trite quotes from other people. See what they say on the matter. That would prove any one else wrong and you right for sure.

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What do NASA know about anything?? They simply squint through slightly bigger telescopes than you, but stll get the maths wrong, confusing distance by saying "distance and / or speed is time only". Prats. So you bow humbly down low and worship NASA prats

Apple Sky said:

The Ice walls are much further in & why don't they fly over Antarctica ?

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There you go. You can book a flight any time.

THE SOUTHERNMOST POINT ON EARTH​

Embark on a flight to the South Pole, where all 360 lines of longitude meet and in a few steps you can walk around the world.
History comes alive as you stand at 90° South, the ultimate goal of polar explorers Amundsen and Scott. Imagine how it felt to head out across the frozen continent and into the unknown over 100 years ago. Feel the spirit of determination and discovery that has inspired a century of Antarctic exploration and scientific research.
Outside Amundsen-Scott Station, you’ll have plenty of time for photographs at the Ceremonial Pole, surrounded by the flags of the Antarctic Treaty signatory nations. A journey to the South Pole is a significant achievement for any world traveler and you’ll feel the power of this special place. Antarctic Logistics & Expeditions is proud to be the premier provider for South Pole flights.

bbbbbbb said:

While this is absolutely true, it has also served as a root of division and heresy, as it still does.

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Improper use doesn't discredit having value when used appropriately. And sticking to more literalist hermeneutics certainly hasn't done much to prevent division, how many factions have spawned from the notion that the Scriptures are perspicuous?