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US sends deportees to Eswatini

'Super Trump supporter' deported by ICE to maximum-security prison in Africa

The 59-year-old, once self-proclaimed “super Trump supporter,” was taken into custody by ICE agents in South Florida during his annual check-in in June. He moved to the United States nearly 50 years ago from Cuba​

At the time [of his detention], Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Tricia McLaughlin wrote on X that Mosquera was “convicted of first-degree murder and aggravated battery.”

He was charged with attempted murder after shooting a man in the leg in 1988 when he was 18 years old, and served a nine-year prison sentence, and “rebuilt his life after.” He is now a plumber and father to his daughter, Monica, and her 9-year-old sister.

Monica told the outlet that she was “hysterical” following McLaughlin’s X post, labeling her dad as a convicted murderer.

“My dad did his time—he married my mom, who’s American, had American daughters, and changed his life around,” she told the outlet. “My dad was an amazing father; he is a good man.”
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Even if (more likely "when") Momdani becomes NYC Mayor studies show the richest New Yorkers will stay

Dallas is closer to comparable in size

Dallas proper is still 1/6 the size

It's a 3 hour flight DFW to JFK all those 'amenities' are entertainment - not a quality of life issue.

What are you talking about? Entertainment is an amenity.

It's 3.5hr to NYC and over 4 on the way back, plus at least 3 hours of commuting+airport time each way.

That's not a quick jaunt to catch dinner and a show. That's a full day of travel in each direction.

Think about it - the cost of living is 39% less - save those money hungry people 1.6 million a year - that's a whole lot of weekend or evening trips.
And again, many of the jobs in LCOL areas pay less, too. Many don't even exist.
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Love codified in the Ten Commandments

Addressed previously. New doesn't mean everything else He said is deleted. Love does not delete the commandments.
Love necessarily fulfills the commandments (Ro 13:8). . .without even having to know them (Ro 13:10).
For love "necessarily 'does no harm', " it doesn't need the Decalogue. . .love doesn't need laws to tell it how to act.

It's not complicated, if you really love. . .and if you don't, observing the Decalgoue is nothing but legalism.
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Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

Also true standing faith, remains true, it is preserved by faith which works by love.

The love of God is shed into our hearts by the Holy Ghost given unto us, and WE STAND BY FAITH. (not by doubting, and DENYING GOD IN WORKS, BEING ABOMINABLE AND DISOBEDIENT AND UNTO EVERY GOOD WORK REPROBATE/MANY FALSE PROPHETS GATHERING THORNS AN THISTLES.)



Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu orders immediate 'powerful' strikes on Gaza

Earlier, Israeli officials said the remains of a hostage returned by Hamas were body parts of another hostage who was recovered by Israeli troops almost two years ago.

"Following security consultations, Prime Minister Netanyahu instructed the military echelon to carry out powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip immediately," his office said in a statement.


An IDF official said the command is a result of Hamas allegedly attacking soldiers in Rafah in an Israeli-controlled area. NBC News has not independently verified this attack. The official would not confirm if airstrikes would be launched Tuesday night. The U.S. State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the move.

Before Netanyahu's announcement, Hamas official Suhail al-Hindi told Al Jazeera that the group has faced difficulties recovering hostages' bodies and has asked Israel to approve the entry of heavy equipment as well as permission for search teams to enter "red zones" to get the work done, which Israel allegedly refused. Al-Hindi also restated Hamas' commitment to the ceasefire agreement and accused Israel of falsely accusing the group of violating it.
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OSAS - I was wrong...again

You are interpreting nothing, there are many false prophet deceivers now, so interpret to yourself, is the answer anyone avoiding hr false prophets would conclude.


1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Your response makes no sense at all. It appears to me you're just wanting to argue. I'm putting you on ignore.
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So.....did your insurance premium go up?

My wife and I $1,980 a year.

Including the monthly fee from our primary care physician and the Devastating illness coverage. In the last ten years we have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $26,000 because of a procedure my wife needed. We negotiated the cash price and made payments.

Simple math:

8,360 a year times ten years = 83,600
vs
$26,000.

The 26k would have been your cost after your insurance covered part of it. How much did the insurance pay?

26k seems high for out-of-pocket expenses. Most plans have a cap of 2k-10k for the year depending on the plan and if care is in network or out of network. I think mine was 5k in network and 7500 out of network.

Edit: I may have misread your post, but I'll leave the question anyway.
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Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

They had counterfeit faith, counterfeit belief (Mt 7:22), which is not true saving faith or belief (Mt 7:23).
Clare73 said:
Precisely. . .counterfeit faith is no faith


We saw your conclusion clare, and we can all agree, IT IS NO FAITH.
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Lets have an open discussion on Heaven.

Well the thing about those martyrs, is that since no prophecy is of any private exposition, according to 2 Peter 1:20, we don’t know to what extent Revelation is speaking about Heaven, or the World to Come, and to what extent it is typological or metaphorical and to what extent it is literal, except insofar as the early church did at the Council of Constantinople intend to exclude Chiliasm, after the fourth century fathers realized that such an interpretation was a misreading (in contrast to some 2nd century fathers such as St. Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeus of Lyons who believed in it - but church fathers are individually not infallible, for example, there exists a very minor disagreement between St. Athanasius and St. Basil the Great over the pastoral care of military veterans, with most people likely supporting St. Athanasius, but some pacifists would likely support St. Basil, and since the issue is not formally resolved, it remains in the realm of theologoumemna (or what the Lutherans might call Adiaphora). Or on a more serious note, where a church father made actual errors, Origen, St. Gregory of Nyssa and St. Isaac the Syrian expressed support for Apokatastasis.
I do have a lot of respect for the Church Fathers, and for you, as well. However, I take the Premillennial road, unashamedly, since the times in history in which there is input matter to me. Early in the Church the Chiliast view was close, in time, to John the Revelator. And those who followed him several centuries later began to question Chiliast beliefs primarily because it didn't appear the Kingdom would literally come to Israel and to "hardened" Jews.

I find it telling that now, late in history, when Israel could conceivably be restored, that there is renewed interest in the Premillennial position. Though this doesn't make the Jewish People "good" overall, I do see evidence that Israel has tried to act in a more civilized "Christian" way with respect to the Middle East conflicts. I think it likely that Israel will return as a "nation of God" at Christ's coming. But no matter....

I do think the statement about martyrs being "under the altar" is obviously metaphorical. So, I don't think it figures into any technical placement, whether in "Heaven" or in "Abraham's Bosom" or in "Paradise," or whatever. I don't always follow tradition, and so reject a preliminary place called "Purgatory." For me, the departed saints are "in Heaven with God." The heavenly Jerusalem, or the City of God, will at some point descend from Heaven to take its rightful place on the New Earth.

Thankyou, by the way, for your shared learning on the various historical beliefs in the church denominations. Your brain must be twice my size! ;)
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

Whenever I hear things hit the fan imagery my mind cares less about scenarios but the numbers standout. No matter how much you prepare there‘s more who didn’t than who did. No amount of weaponry can hold back a throng forever. You need something greater than yourself to do so. It wouldn’t matter if you’re in the city or backwoods needs will travel.
Building community is important. Those who stand alone, stand in the weakness of lack of benefit of the community.
You’d better put your trust in Lord
Even when he shows me fat cows and lean cows?
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Bill Gates Says Climate Change ‘Will Not Lead to Humanity’s Demise’

Is it safe to say then, that the climate change emergency, was science fiction? And that the scientists used biased models in their data sets?

...Or was this a political lever the whole time?

WHO LIED TO US..???? And WHY..??
"Climate change" - aka "global warming" is a fact. The crisis was and is a HOAX and what I call "urban legend." IMO, the reasons for the alarms were:
1. To panic people (herd them to doing things) that would make the alarmists rich (the ones smart enough to invest in it).
2. To obtain political power for propagating their agenda.

We know for certain that the alarmists continue their propaganda in the media because the "science" follows the money - if they admit they were wrong, they get defunded. And certain people of the alarmist party actually did make millions from the crisis hoax.

We also know that the alarmists continue to exaggerate and propagate big fat lies because they see their cause being abandoned by more and more people who are being properly educated. They see their political power fading.
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Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!

A reciprocal is simply dividing something into one. That something cannot be expressed as anything else. So Ho is a distance speed something, so to suit your agenda you choose to only preserve the time aspect. That's either CHEATING or ERROR or BOTH, is it not? So can miles per hour be expressed as hours in the reciprocal?? A reciprocal of anything must be convertible back to the original "something", whatever that was. I should not have to guess the orignal, should I?
Do you have a problem in using the quote function?
What is evident in your response you do not understand dimensional analysis or even simple arithmetic.

Here is a primer on dimensional analysis.
A physical property can be broken down into more fundamental units such as L (length), T (time) and M (mass).
Velocity which is distance divided by time is defined as LT⁻¹, acceleration LT⁻², force MLT⁻², pressure (force/area) MLT⁻²L⁻² = ML⁻¹T⁻² etc.

Since Hₒ is in km/s/Mpc it has the units LT⁻¹L⁻¹ = T⁻¹, hence 1/ Hₒ = T which is units of time.
Simple isn’t it and there is nothing nefarious about it.

So where do the units of Hₒ come from in the first place?
Astronomers are able to calculate recession velocities using the cosmological redshifts obtained from the spectra of distant galaxies and their distances when type 1a supernovae occur.

When plotting recession velocities in km/s against distance in Mpc they obtain this.

Hubble.png

The line of best of fit is defined by the equation Velocity = Hₒ x Distance which is Hubble's law where Hₒ is the gradient or rate of change defined as km/s/Mpc.
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OSAS - I was wrong...again

You're doing "my fact" regardless of whether you try or not. Here is the clear example: you're applying 2 Pet. 1:20 wrongly, because you are misinterpreting it. Therefore, it is obvious to me that the Holy Spirit is NOT speaking to you.

I sincerely doubt you will pay any attention to what I say here, but I will poke an attempt at correcting you on the matter. When Peter says the scripture is not of a private interpretation, he is talking about the written words which are revelatory coming from whatever way God spoke to the prophet. In Heb. it says, "in times past, God spoke in many ways..." including dreams, visions, angelic appearances, etc. So when the prophets wrote the scripture, they were writing what they saw and heard, not what they "interpreted" with their fleshly minds.

The interpretation we do today is not the same thing. We are interpreting scripture after the fact, in order to understand what the original writer meant. Therefore, there are rules of interpretation that everyone must follow in order to get as close to that understanding as possible. If anyone does not follow those rules, then it's a free-for-all for any cult leader to claim that he's heard from the "Holy Spirit." Prooftexts from the Bible are a dime a dozen, and even the Devil himself uses that method.

But rather than pay attention to the context of the scripture as one of the rules of interpretation, you are inventing ideas as you read it out of your fleshly mind. So if you refuse to hear what I'm saying, then this conversation is over.
You are interpreting nothing, there are many false prophet deceivers now, so interpret to yourself, is the answer anyone avoiding hr false prophets would conclude.


1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
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Zohran Mamdani’s Real-World Constraints

What are these? Some sort of ancient mythical beast? I do remember the banks proclaiming they did not charge these when I got a CC ... 30 years ago.
Couldn’t we also, in theory, pass consumer protection laws that prevent that kind of arbitrary punitive rate hike?
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