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Trump knocking down historic East Wing to build Ballroom - is this LEGAL?

I certainly hope it would be. I wonder where the offices that served the First Lady will now be located - not that the current FLOTUS has much use for such offices.
Saw a photo of a White House event with tables and small tables set up on the lawn. Looked for all the world like patio tables, but probably were more classy. The question is whether that was a decision to go al fresco based on the event, or lack of room.
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Alabama executes man by nitrogen gas after Supreme Court denies request for firing squad

except usually people who insist they are innocent even up to the day they are executed.. often turn out.. are innocent. I personally don't have a good feeling about this guy was guilty.
This is also why I have a serious issue with the death penalty. Innocent people have been executed, and that is inexcusable.
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From laughing at to dancing with

I was specifically talking about Trump making an unexpected stop in a country that harbors terrorists and allowing the leaders of that country to board Air Force One. Had President Obama done this, the outrage from many on the right would have been off the charts.

Qatar has been a U.S. ally since diplomatic relations were established on March 19, 1972, making it over 53 years of alliance. The relationship has strengthened significantly over the decades, particularly in defense and economic cooperation. Why wouldn't he stop?

Had Obama just finished signing an agreement that brought Arab and Jewish countries together for the first sweeping peace agreement in decades - he would have been applauded also. They probably would have come up with another worship song for him.

Remember:

Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"​
Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!​
Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country's economy number one again!​
Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!​
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

But that would be the only way to defend your error.
Are you actually stating this verse is untrue and the wicked are not burned up resulting in neither branch or root left?

Malachi 4:1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave then neither root nor branch."
You would have to jump hurdles to get to the conclusion since eternal is indeed eternal
I don't have to jump hurdles to realize the truth of this verse which lines up with the rest of the Bible-


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Only one person has life in that verse. Perish does not mean life in hell no matter how much you want to change God's Word to suit your doctrine.

ETA and regarding the Luke verses-no one has been thrown into the Lake of Fire yet. That comes at Judgement Day. Christ is describing the gulf, not the Lake of Fire.
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A Christian response to "No Kings."

They are about overreach. But I do not blame Trump. He is just doing what any egomaniac would do. The real problem is SCOTUS and congress who refuse to hold him accountable or limit his overreach, and guys like Bannon who claim to have a plan to get him a 3rd term.
Forget Trump. Seriously. The SCOTUS question is whether a President of the United States has the authority to do this or that. Not Trump. but the President of the United States. That's going to mean decisions that are going to make some uncomfortable, regardless of their political position. To borrow from the late Art Buchwald, as long as SCOTUS decisions seem to go in one direction, some are going to applaud it, but the moment they seem to go in another direction, the same ones are going to think they lost their minds.
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An EBT Crisis?

The video I posted earlier on food mentioned them and said the same. One lady did a comparison between produce prices at the farmers market and Walmart and the former was cheaper. That was equally so for meat when another purchased the same from a butcher.

They’re moving to electronic labels and already use dynamic pricing online which allows them to raise and lower them according to demand. You may want to watch out for that if you’re trying to save money. I included a list of retailers who use it.


~bella
Thanks for the info. My Walmart still uses the standard labels but I‘ll be watching. We no longer buy fresh goods from walmart and only buy canned goods, cleaners, toiletries, and such from them.
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

Where does the constitution say anything about communism?
Is this a serious question? Our government is a constitutional republic which has nothing in common with a communist or socialist government. Like I said anyone who supports this foolishness masquerading as protest to save democracy does not care about our constitution and is duped by propaganda.

An EBT Crisis?

H.E.B. is the family run chain I mentioned in an earlier post. They also ran out Albertson's, and I might be wrong but maybe Safeway also. But there are still many other places to get groceries than H.E.B. or Walmart.

Plus H.E.B. is a great corporate citizen. They own a fleet of vehicles which, for smaller scale disasters, can do FEMA better than FEMA, at no cost to taxpayers.
Yes, unfortunately, I have not lived near any of the HEB stores lately. I remember once when I lived in Texas that they had a new truck giveaway and someone in my church who really needed transportation won it. I read that HEB was founded by a Christian man. I think if they ran out albertson's and safeway it is because they are better managed. Another great store is Winco in the NW. It is all employee owned but its selection and pricing is great.
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Trump cancels trade negoitations with Canada after a provincial government releases an ad featuring Ronald Reagan

It's not a false equivalency...
These aren't false equivalencies?
So now Ronald Reagan is super smart and had a handle on economics? He's the "trickle-down" guy right?

Do the fine people of Ontario (where my dad's side of the family is from and some still live) really want "Reaganomics" lol?

See, this is where there are communication breakdowns... I spent a substantial portion of the past two decades hearing people crap all over Reagan for his economic policies that favored the wealthy and the business owners, but now when there's an opportunity to highlight a policy divergence between him and Trump, it's time to start invoking "the wisdom of Reagan"?
"You agree with this person on one thing, so you must agree with everything they said!"
Reagan's anti-tariff position and free trade agreement proposals were something that Pierre Trudeau (and his party) were very skeptical of. Organized labor in Canada favored protectionism at the time.
'80s/'90s Canada is not 2020s Canada.
The understandable response to that would be "Well, Ron...are you going to be doing any of the other FDR stuff or planning to follow his lead on a bunch of other issues?...No?...then why are you even bringing him up?"
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An EBT Crisis?

For instance, in S. Texas HEB (A great grocer by the way) has a 50% market share.
H.E.B. is the family run chain I mentioned in an earlier post. They also ran out Albertson's, and I might be wrong but maybe Safeway also. But there are still many other places to get groceries than H.E.B. or Walmart.

Plus H.E.B. is a great corporate citizen. They own a fleet of vehicles which, for smaller scale disasters, can do FEMA better than FEMA, at no cost to taxpayers.
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The Lost House of Israel

The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43

Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.
I don't think you actually understand what you're saying here.

The 10 northern tribes displacing the local populations of those who were there before them.. you say those people are the people Jesus came to save. Which is fine, it is basically what Jesus told the samaritan woman himself. we can disagree on generalizations of where those tribes went, but, we know they are scattered around the world.

But you're missing the other half of the reality for that to be true: that there is the rest of the world who Jesus did not come to save, because they were never originally part of the 10 northern tribes. at least 20 to 50 million people living in the rest of the world at the time of moses, now billions, and genetically with few exceptions we are all quite mixed up by now.

so is the whole world now israel? of course not. the ishmalets became a great nation as God told hagar, now about 1 or 2 billion muslims in the world depending on how you count. they are deffinitly not israel.
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rapture and tribulation books

Yes, I have seen him a couple of times in person. He associates with many of the Tulsa greats who attended or served at Rhema or ORU. I have heard others quote his Greek explanations. I don't know much of his other doctrine but he is pre-trib rapture believer along with Bob Yandian of Tulsa. So I think in that area they are the best you can probably find for teaching pre-trib. I would imagine he is solid in everything else too, at least from my perspective.
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An EBT Crisis?

Just to help on the idea of monopolies in the grocery sector I offer this.

"Specifically, the top 4 food retailers (CR4) accounted for 31 percent of food sales in 2012 and grew by 3 percentage points to account for 34 percent of total sales in 2019." Source: A Disaggregated View of Market Concentration in the Food Retail Industry

The biggest nationwide is Walmart (including Sam's Club). One source says they have about a fourth of all grocery sales. Next is Kroger, then likely Costco, Albertsons, Aldi and Target. I say likely because some of the data includes non-food items.

A monopoly is a single seller. An example is your electric provider. Most people, not including their own solar or alternative energy have one choice. Many rural consumers have one choice of grocers in the nearest town, but of course they can shop in other towns or buy online. Interestingly, the grocery business is consolidating over the last 20 years or so. In some larger local markets there are companies that dominate ,but no true monopoly exists nationwide. An oligopoly is several concentrated sellers, one might argue this is the case but if so it would be statewide, not national. For instance, in S. Texas HEB (A great grocer by the way) has a 50% market share. So while some regions might have oligopolies, most of America still has a decent amount of competition.

I am sure they stores will either hire more security, get local police protection or close their stores temporarily if there is a free grab n go. I will say too that churches could really do their part and help those in need of emergency food. Kudos to those already with food pantries or assistance.
Love HEB. Not the cheapest but the selection and quality rocks. :oldthumbsup:
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Alabama executes man by nitrogen gas after Supreme Court denies request for firing squad

God has judged him justly.

That is all.
except usually people who insist they are innocent even up to the day they are executed.. often turn out.. are innocent. I personally don't have a good feeling about this guy was guilty.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

A "heresy" against the beliefs of your sect, whatever that is. How dreadful! But as I noted before, I suspect that your lot has some very nice heretical beliefs of their own, as most roll-your-own denominations do.

You blew that one rather badly. Origin believed that all souls would eventually be redeemed, which is far from annihilationosm. In fact it's more akin to your "everyone has eternal life by default", since you both believe that no one ever really dies. "Annihilationosm", aka "Conditionalism", teach that, as Scripture says, "the wages of sin is death", and that the condemned are, agian, as Scripture says, destroyed in hell.

So, congratulations on an "own goal", there.<Laugh>



Almost as much as those by Jack Spong. <Laugh>

How interesting

Do you hold Jack Spong in contempt? I do. He's still dead, though. (I think.)

Conclusion: Your "nobody ever really dies" doctrine is still rubbish
Your penchant for removing context from my post to satisfy your “sense of humor” and erroneous doctrine is quite disingenuous. Your conclusions are controversial and outside of orthodoxy. No need to reply to your post since it is devoid of an argument. Also, sect is synonymous with cult and a pejorative to mainstream Christianity which is against the forum rules.
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An EBT Crisis?

Don’t forget Amazon.
Just to help on the idea of monopolies in the grocery sector I offer this.

"Specifically, the top 4 food retailers (CR4) accounted for 31 percent of food sales in 2012 and grew by 3 percentage points to account for 34 percent of total sales in 2019." Source: A Disaggregated View of Market Concentration in the Food Retail Industry

The biggest nationwide is Walmart (including Sam's Club). One source says they have about a fourth of all grocery sales. Next is Kroger, then likely Costco, Albertsons, Aldi and Target. I say likely because some of the data includes non-food items.

A monopoly is a single seller. An example is your electric provider. Most people, not including their own solar or alternative energy have one choice. Many rural consumers have one choice of grocers in the nearest town, but of course they can shop in other towns or buy online. Interestingly, the grocery business is consolidating over the last 20 years or so. In some larger local markets there are companies that dominate ,but no true monopoly exists nationwide. An oligopoly is several concentrated sellers, one might argue this is the case but if so it would be statewide, not national. For instance, in S. Texas HEB (A great grocer by the way) has a 50% market share. So while some regions might have oligopolies, most of America still has a decent amount of competition.

I am sure they stores will either hire more security, get local police protection or close their stores temporarily if there is a free grab n go. I will say too that churches could really do their part and help those in need of emergency food. Kudos to those already with food pantries or assistance.
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