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AI learnt "something" from the Physical & Life Sciences Forum.
- By Tinker Grey
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 130 Replies
I'm not sure what you are going for, but I'll assume it's a complaint about '76 vs '77 (neglecting the obvious name mistake). So, I'll play it straight: US elections are in a year divisible by 4, but the winner assumes the presidency on Jan. 20th of the following year.I'm not up on my US election history but didn't Gerold Yard lose the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter by the proverbial mile.
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AI learnt "something" from the Physical & Life Sciences Forum.
- By sjastro
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 130 Replies
I'm not up on my US election history but didn't Gerold Yard lose the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter by the proverbial mile.
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Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God...
- Exposition & Bible Study
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Dear orbiter,
I can agree with some of what you stated but there were a lot of gaps in your statements. Maybe you can fill in those gaps by answering some questions.
Do you believe that all the churches that began in the 1st century became apostate by the end of that century? If not all, what organized churches in this world to you believe are not apostate?
Do you know the one and only sin that a babe in Christ can commit that will cause their loss of salvation and make them apostate?
Do you understand that the verse below is teaching about an apostate believer just before Christ comes to them a second time to convert them?
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Here is my understanding with my comments in blue:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom (Satan's "another gospel") shall be preached in all the world (within an apostate believer) for a witness unto all nations (fully accepted by the apostate believer); and then shall the end come (the moment of conversion/salvation for the apostate believer).
When Christ comes a second time to a believer, Christ will pour out the baptism of the Spirit (the Latter Rain) which will heal the Elect babe's spiritual blindness. Once they can see, they will come to understand that they have been under the deceptions of Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. This is the moment they will see the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within themselves (God's temple).
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (because judgment is about to fall on the child of the devil/man of sin who they had become).This judgment is presented in more detail in Mat 24:37-41 and in Rev 19:11-21. After this judgment is complete, the believer will be converted and saved.
If a believer has never seen the Abomination of Desolation, then they are still under Satan's deceptions because all babes since the death of Paul have fallen away and become apostate. The scriptures below describe how it happens.
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.
Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.
This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.
How a babe becomes apostate is also described in the scripture below. Notice that a babe's spiritual blindness and Satan's deceptions are the causes of why all babes in Christ will fall away and become apostate.
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).
For a person to be converted, Christ must come to them TWO times. The first time Christ comes to them, He freely gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit (without their asking or permission). With the small measure of the Spirit, they will become a believer (a babe) and will call Jesus "Lord". They will no longer reject Christ. This is how a person enters the church. It happens because of the spiritual work that Christ did within them. They have no works of their own to boast about. Paul's Damascus Road experience is the pattern (1Tim 1:16) for how a person enters the church.
This verse below also applies:
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
After Christ gives a person the Early Rain, they will be a babe in Christ who can only draw milk (Christ and Him crucified, 1Cor 2:2). In this condition, they will quickly be deceived by Satan and will become apostate via the spirit of anti-Christ. They are now a "man of sin".
Paul experienced the Early Rain on the Damascus Road. This when Paul became a babe in Christ and when he first accepted Jesus' authority over him (called Him Lord). Paul's blindness represented his spiritual blindness and is why Paul became apostate in Damascus for three days.
Since the end of the 1st century, all babes will become deceived by Satan after being given the Early Rain. They will remain in this apostate condition until they die unless they are one of the Elect. If they are Elect, Christ will come to them a second time (commonly called His second coming) and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit (the baptism). After they receive the baptism, their spiritual blindness will be healed and they will see the Abomination of Desolation. They will then come out from Satan's deception by eating the true bread from heaven and by drinking the New Wine.
Christ (typed by Ananias) came to Paul a second time after Paul's three days in Damascus were completed. When Christ came, Paul was given the Latter Rain and the scales fell from Paul's eyes. After Paul could see, he was given meat to spiritually strengthen him. Though not shown in Paul's conversion testimony, judgment would have then fallen on Paul to remove all the chaff (the spirit of anti-Christ and his marred & carnal spirit/Great Harlot) from within him. He would then be converted.
If a person does not understand the Early and Latter Rain concept taught in scripture, they will not be able to understand the pathway to salvation that Christ presents in many of His teachings (including Mat chapter 24).
The churches of this world are full of babes who have come under the deceptions of Satan due to their spiritual blindness. They think that they can see and are saved, but they are not. That is the nature of deception. You cannot know that you are being deceived while it is happening. For the Elect, Christ will come to them a second time and pour out the Latter Rain upon them. With their spiritual blindness healed, Christ will spiritually appear to them and will spiritually gather them from the earth to dwell with Him in heaven (Mat 24:29-31). It is not a physical change of location. It is a spiritual change of location that represents that the person is now in the Kingdom of Heaven.
How much of what I presented above matches to your present understanding? If you are not familiar with the Early and Latter Rain concept, I would be willing to explain it will more scripture.
Joe
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