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Why We Can't Trust What Obama Says About His Religion

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by pennmark, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. pennmark

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    Sorry, I can't remember what's in Romans 13.

    Aside from all the hate and butchery that Muhammed preached, what scares me the most about Islam is that it is also a political movement. You can say that about it because Muhammed was a ruler and his followers were soldiers. The ultimate goal of Islam is to make Allah's law (sharia) the law of the entire Earth.

    What also bothers me about Islam (and I guess this should bother us Christians, if we are indeed Christian) is that it denies the divinity of Christ. Jesus said the only way to the father is through him. That means all of those poor Muslim souls are lost, and we should be concerned about them. I would never want to be subject to an Islamic world government that would force me to believe otherwise.
     
  2. Belk

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    Well, I have some good news for you then. It is impossible for a government to force you to believe anything. :wave:
     
  3. pennmark

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    OK, I just looked up Romans 13. My interpretation is that we pay taxes and be good citizens because the civil authorities are doing work that needs to get done, like building roads and utilities. It was probably written to ease fears of the Roman leaders.

    Yeah, I pay taxes.
     
  4. JoyJuice

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    Just a suggestion out of observation. You may wish to re-read what you wrote and then go read the Bible, because much of what you hate about Islam can be found in the Bible.
     
  5. pennmark

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    The Islamic government could force me to pay a Jizya (humiliatin tax) if I didn't take part in communal prayers or say the right things.

    Or they could just kill me.:wave:
     
  6. pennmark

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    The violence in the bible has an historical context. The words of Muhammed are the eternal commandments of Allah.:amen:
     
  7. DuneSoldier

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    Except for those centuries when protestants and jews fled to the Ottoman empire to escape persecution in Europe. Since the Ottoman's gave them protected status as people of the book.

    I had to research the history of the empire back in College. They had an interesting legal system. They basically divided there system up into a series of courts called "Millets".

    I dispute between two Jewish people would be settle in the Jewish Millet that adhered to Mosaic tradition. There was a Christian and Muslim Millet to. If you were one of the People of the Book you could ask for your case to be tried in the Muslim Millet (which was popular among women, as the it generally afforded her more rights than the other two.).
     
  8. JoyJuice

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    Well no, only to a certain sect of Muslims, in general, that is not true.
     
  9. Belk

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    And the Christians could burn you at the stake for being a heretic. So what? :wave:
     
  10. Belk

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    Special pleading FTL. ^_^
     
  11. Gishin

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    Christians or muslims. Whoever wins we all lose.
     
  12. lux et lex

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    Isn't that what Christianity is trying to do in it's own special way?
     
  13. pennmark

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    No. Salvation is a matter of conscience. God isn't going to force you to save yourself. You obtain forgiveness for your sins by loving Jesus, but the choice is yours.:thumbsup:
     
  14. pennmark

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    I wonder if the Ottomans made them pay the Jizya. If they didn't, they weren't being good Muslims.
     
  15. pennmark

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    Now, how can you say that and consider yourself a Christian? Don't you want people to be saved?
     
  16. pennmark

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    Or to the good muslims who take the words of Muhammed seriously.
     
  17. tulc

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    Is there some Scripture that says Christians can't be Christian and pay this tax? :confused:
    tulc(thinks paying it sounds better then being killed) :sorry:
     
  18. Redac

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    Note that he isn't a Christian. ;)
     
  19. Gishin

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    El oh el.
     
  20. DuneSoldier

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    They did, but they didn't have to pay the Zakat.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2011
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