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Why We Can't Trust What Obama Says About His Religion

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by pennmark, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. tulc

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    So...as opposed to Muhammad you don't believe Christians can participate in war? :confused:
    tulc(just curious) :wave:
     
  2. lux et lex

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    Again...WHO CARES...it's his religion. He has the freedom of religion, does he not? And there is no religious test for political office.
     
  3. DaisyDay

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    Who here was not convinced from the existence of this thread that that was not a foregone conclusion? And for reasons that have more to do with you than with him.

    Really, what could anyone say that could possibly convince you?
     
  4. Notamonkey

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    First of all Muhammad was a thief and a plunderer. He fought in aggressive wars to subdue and take from others and for political gain. Most of his converts in his life came from political power, not religion. By his own words recorded after his death he was one evil dude. He did every vile thing physically possible. Muhammad's biograph is found in the Sira and his traditions in the Hadith.

    I think you need to refer to Ecclesiastes 3 for your answer.
     
  5. tulc

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    ...uhmmm all of which has nothing to do with the question I asked. :wave:


    would that be this part?
    tulc(just curious) :)
     
  6. pennmark

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    Muhammed actually sought control. Islam is more than a religion, it's a political movement. The objective is to rule the Earth and impose Sharia on everyone.
     
  7. pennmark

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    You should care, because if he used his office to advance Islam, it could lead to your eventual enslavement.
     
  8. Chris81

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    This is news to me, when has Obama advocated Sharia Law?
     
  9. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I would care if any President used the office to push their religion. I haven't seen Obama do so.
     
  10. pennmark

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    This is a pretty contentious issue, but I think Christians can and should fight to defend themselves and others. Jesus said "turn the other cheek", but he didn't say stick your neck out so a homicidal maniac can chop it off. In one of the gospels (I can't remember which one) he instructed his apostles to arm themselves before he was arrested.

    St. Thomas Aquinos once argued that God allows some sin to exist in the world to prevent greater evils. A greater evil than shooting a terrorist would be allowing the terrorist to kill innocents. Its pretty obvious throughout the New Testament that Jesus is willing to forgive us.

    If good Christians didn't take up arms during WWII, the world would be controlled by Nazis today. That is something to think about.
     
  11. pennmark

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    What's really going on in the middle east right now?
     
  12. pennmark

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    Does anybody really know what is going on in the middle east right now.:confused:
     
  13. pennmark

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    There probably isn't anything anybody could say to convince me or anyone else. That's why you shouldn't be convinced yourself.
     
  14. Chris81

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    What now Obama is orchestrating all of the uprisings in the middle east. Wow, this guy is quite powerful, now if only he could solve the problems of our economic decline!
     
  15. Belk

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    Do you?
     
  16. Paulos23

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    What does that have to do with the President and his religion?
     
  17. DaisyDay

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    It's apparent you didn't understand the question - what, if it were true, would convince you? What sort of thing would you find convincing?
     
  18. JoyJuice

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    As did Christian with crusades did in Muhammed's time. You're Catholic, the other day I bought what is essentially the Catholic's manual on how to torture people in history. The other month it came to light letters from the Catholic church itself to keep it secret children where being sexually abused by their clergy. Again, no religion is immune from the nastys once in power.
     
  19. pennmark

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  20. pennmark

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    Why does everyone keep saying I'm Catholic? If I was, what would be the problem with that? Manual on how to torture people? There is a problem with bad priests, but I wouldn't blame the whole Catholic church.

    The problem with Islam is that the nastiness is built in. Muhammed told his followers to chop off heads, limbs, and fingers. He told them to fight against Christians, and that means fight against Jesus. How could you call yourself a Christian and then defend Muhammed?

    I'll defend the crusaders. The muslims were nasty to christian pilgrims. The Jews of today are much nicer to us. Thankfully they have their homeland back. :)
     
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